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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 15116511 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: NMR Experiments
« Reply #16935 on: April 15, 2013, 05:42:42 PM »
But what is its inductance?
If we know the inductance and neglect the interwinding capacitance, then we will be able to calculate its effective AC resistance @ 100kHz and @ 1MHz (a.k.a. AC impedance).

Dear Verpies,

Many thanks for your quick responce to my post.

MF Solenoid coil's inductance is 5.0 mH and my "Magic number" is around 170 to 180 KHZ.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16936 on: April 15, 2013, 05:52:58 PM »
After viewing the TK's 2004 video, where he is showing his device, made from what looks like ordinary everyday type of electrical junk, it makes me doubt that he is using anything involving magnetic resonance (beta decay), or some special chemicals, to make it work.
NM Resonance can be achieved inadvertently anytime a magnetic field is crossed with RF.  Beta decay can be stimulated with this resonance without the intention or knowledge of the experimenter.

NO 30 second bump charge, every hour, no special radioactive substances
NM Resonance happens almost immediatlely - no 30s precharge is needed.  RF Beta stimulation in Colman tube requires long activation, but in copper it will happen almost instantaneously with NMR.  Ask Grumage if there is any delay.

or RF required, at all.
How do you know the waveform characteristics in TK's windings?  He does not allow anyone to connect an oscilloscope to them.

The French guy (in the Alps) is showing his version of a TK type of replication, again no mention of beta decay or anything similar. Looking very ordinary, using what looks like regular easy to obtain parts.
He does not even have to know what's happening inside.
Easy to obtain parts do not exclude achievement of NMR.

I mention these things because it looks like the current direction is not going to be able to be followed by guys like me, working on their kitchen tables.  Somehow all this talk of radiation, worries me... using only aluminum foil as protection.
Nobody is suggesting using isotopes that are radioactive in the normal environment.
Aluminum foil really is a good protection against beta particles.

Common guys... what if...  this thing blows up,  in my house???
It will not hurt. You'd evaporate before your neural impulse gets to your brain for pain processing  ;)   
Just joking.  Artificial beta stimulation is self-quenching.

I STILL don't understand, how Wesley was scared to follow through on his successfully working yoke device (best thing yet), with 1 kw output, using only 10 watts input.
Ask him.

Then, drops that Yoke device and goes after this beta decay project. 
I think, he believes that the Yoke device also worked on the  induced beta decay principle and there is not much MO difference between these two devices in his mind.

His Yoke experiment probably did not even use the special ferrite yoke (Barium? or whatever), that nobody can find yet, if at all. He still had some very positive results.
Yes, he had very positive results.
The Yoke Device used a black ferrite form an old Russian TV yoke.  The frequencies were very hard to tune - that was the real difficulty that scared the replicators off.

Maybe they just got sick from the Flu or whatever, as nothing was proven, like radiation poisoning, etc...
Maybe.

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Re: NMR Experiments
« Reply #16937 on: April 15, 2013, 06:14:30 PM »
MF Solenoid coil's inductance is 5.0 mH and my "Magic number" is around 170 to 180 KHZ.
So the "AC resistance" (a.k.a. reactance) of this coil to a 100kHz sinewave is 3.1kΩ when the interwinding capacitance is neglected and when the core is non-conductive (it isn't).  Conductive cores will tend to decrease this reactance via Lenz Effect.
...and to a 1MHz sinewave it is 31kΩ, because the inductive reactance increases linearly with frequency.
To be precise the 4.2Ω DC resistance needs to be added to this AC reactance, e.g. 3.1kΩ + 4.2Ω, etc...

This also means that if the RMS amplitude of this 100kHz sinewave is 12VRMS then the average current in this coil is 3.8mA and the average power is 46mW.
If the  RMS amplitude of this 100kHz sinewave was 120VRMS then the average current in the same coil would 38mA and the average power would be 4.6W.

If the coil's inductance was 1mH then @ 100kHz and 12VRMS sinewave the average power would be 229mW and @ 100kHz and 120VRMS the average power would be 23W.

The relevant equation is P = A2/(6.28*f*L)
where, P: the average electric power in Watts, A: the RMS amplitude of the sinewave in Volts, f: frequency in Hertz, L: Coil's inductance in Henrys.


P.S.
What's the average magnetic flux density of your static polarizing field in the "carrier coil"?  If you do not know then give me the coil dimensions and winding count as well as the value of the electric current flowing in those windings.

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Re: NMR Experiments
« Reply #16938 on: April 15, 2013, 06:28:04 PM »
So the "AC resistance" of this coil to a 100kHz sinewave is 3.1kΩ when the interwinding capacitance is neglected.
...and to a 1MHz sinewave it is 31kΩ, because the inductive reactance increases linearly with frequency.

This also means that if the RMS amplitude of this 100kHz sinewave is 12VRMS then the average current in this coil is 3.8mA and the average power is 46mW.
If the  RMS amplitude of this 100kHz sinewave was 120VRMS then the average current in the same coil would 38mA and the average power would be 4.6W.

If the coil's inductance was 1mH then @ 100kHz and 12VRMS sinewave the average power would be 229mW and @ 100kHz and 120VRMS the average power would be 23W.

The relevant equation is P = A2/(6.28*f*L)
where, P: the average power in Watts, A: the RMS amplitude of the sinewave in Volts, f: frequency in Hertz, L: Coil's inductance in Henrys.
Dear Verpies,

Thankyou once again.......So my 8 watts was a little optimistic :-[  More like 50 mw!!!

Oh well at least we know what is needed now.

Cheers Grum.

Addendum to post. In view of what you have posted, my own realistic feelings are that this may be beyond my means of application. I am going to sit back and give some more thought to the problem.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16939 on: April 15, 2013, 06:45:38 PM »
    Guys:
   After viewing the TK's 2004 video, where he is showing his device, made from what looks like ordinary everyday type of electrical junk, it makes me doubt that he is using anything involving magnetic resonance (beta decay), or some special chemicals, to make it work.
  TK does not look like a scammer to me, this is my heart felt opinion, even though he is not telling all, the whole truth. He has been freely showing his device to the world for years now, many times, many different projects, and explaining what he can. Explaining what his device can be used for, that it can work anywhere, and even to power electric vehicles, etz...    Like the pierce arrow?

 
   Has anyone else had ANY positive results to share (like Wattsup, Itsu, Hoppy, etz...)

           

            Nick_Z

I think the junk build indicates that whatever TK may have, its very likely not very sophisticated at least in terms of build but as verpies suggests, it could be that through tinkering, he inadvertently hit on an NMR type effect that he managed to control although perhaps not understand. I still think that there could have been some overall attempt here to hoodwink investors and not knowing where each player stands, makes it impossible to reach a conclusion. IMO nobody is likely to come forward with a set of blueprints which allow for accurate replication, so the only way forward is to keep faith in TK's claim and continue experimenting every which way and best of luck to those that stumble on the secret! At least it keeps the mind and body active and better than sitting at the PC all day just hoping that someone will post a 'Janet and John' guide to achieving free energy.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16940 on: April 15, 2013, 07:05:24 PM »
Thanks Zeitmaschine you are right, Please tell me what you think about TK's device it works based on nuclear basis setup? Do you know why i am asking this question to you because i am following ur posts and replies
If the TK device works on nuclear basis, then TK is lying about the origin of the energy, because he clearly says that the energy comes from space. Why should he confuse (on purpose) matter with space? So as not to scare away the bystanders? ;D

IMO nobody is likely to come forward with a set of blueprints which allow for accurate replication, so the only way forward is to keep faith in TK's claim and continue experimenting every which way and best of luck to those that stumble on the secret!
Due to lack of time there is one promising setup I have never tried yet: Make a (parametric) resonant circuit with two coils (transformers) and put one of those transformers into a Faraday cage, so one coil is exposed to the Earth's electric field but the second one is not, hence a difference (good for something) should occur between these two coils. :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16941 on: April 15, 2013, 07:14:03 PM »
Dear Verpies.

Could you provide me with a calculation for Inductance into a 4 ohm impeedance at 175khz. I am using a 40 watt 16v amplifier module. So I could wind a new coil to suit the situation.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16942 on: April 15, 2013, 07:33:31 PM »
Could you provide me with a calculation for Inductance into a 4 ohm impedance at 175khz. I am using a 40 watt 16v amplifier module. So I could wind a new coil to suit the situation.
L= (A2 / P) / (6.28*f)
where, P: the average electric power in Watts, A: the RMS amplitude of the sinewave in Volts, f: frequency in Hertz, L: Coil's inductance in Henrys.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16943 on: April 15, 2013, 07:47:02 PM »
Dear Verpies.

Could you provide me with a calculation for Inductance into a 4 ohm impeedance at 175khz. I am using a 40 watt 16v amplifier module. So I could wind a new coil to suit the situation.

Cheers Grum.
Dear Verpies.

Could you provide me with a calculation for Inductance into a 4 ohm impeedance at 175khz. I am using a 40 watt 16v amplifier module. So I could wind a new coil to suit the situation.

Cheers Grum.
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/AC-inductors.html
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Inductor-Current-Power-Calculator.phtml


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16944 on: April 15, 2013, 08:09:08 PM »
  Guys:
   Great responces, from all of you. Thanks to all involved in working so hard, and for so long at solving this mistery.  Great Team!

  I think that when the time is right, there will be sufficient proof to replicate a working device. In the meantime... lets all keep at it, whatever it takes.

  @ Zeitmaschine:  I have to agree with you, on what TK has mentioned, as he is not known as a liar. Although he may be mistaken, and there may be some type of magnetic resonance, or even beta decay involved, also. The main thing is the working device, then we can keep talking about theory and working principals, while lighting our houses, and running our cars on our homemade devices.

  We still don't even know what electricity really is, now do we? Can't even agree on the Aether, as the fundamental source of it all. Even though Tesla also mentions it many, many, many, times. Can't trust him? Either? Who can we trust???
 

    NickZ


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16945 on: April 15, 2013, 08:21:30 PM »
L= (A2 / P) / (6.28*f)
where, P: the average electric power in Watts, A: the RMS amplitude of the sinewave in Volts, f: frequency in Hertz, L: Coil's inductance in Henrys.
Dear Verpies,

So,       8 times 0.707 equals 5.657, squared 32, divided by 40 equals 0.8. Divided by 1099000 equals 0.07 micro henry, well near enough?

I did all that with a calculator, I am so proud of myself?? :)

Before I spotted Wings post, thank you anyway.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16946 on: April 15, 2013, 08:25:41 PM »
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/AC-inductors.html
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Inductor-Current-Power-Calculator.phtml

Thank you wings. Very helpful. Isn't that however a bit simplified ? I saw different equation for current flowing through inductor  :o ??? Not much more complex but exponential one. Am I wrong ?
Guys, this quite elementary math is very important I think. TK was lucky or has  genius spirit to avoid math....

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16947 on: April 15, 2013, 08:53:11 PM »
Thank you wings. Very helpful. Isn't that however a bit simplified ? I saw different equation for current flowing through inductor  :o ??? Not much more complex but exponential one. Am I wrong ?
Guys, this quite elementary math is very important I think. TK was lucky or has  genius spirit to avoid math....

Dear forest,

I could not agree more with your sentiments. I can quite literally find over 30 coils that I have wound from over the last 13 years. Better to do the mathematics and save on copper!!!!

But as I have said earlier I think serendipity can play a big role in this unknown field. We are literally beating a path through a dense jungle so that future generatinos may drive their cars along the highway we built.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16948 on: April 15, 2013, 09:46:06 PM »
ebay sell programmable DDS signal generators for about $20. They work from Hz to about 8 Mhz.   If you buffer this with a single stage RF tranny then drive into Push Push IRF540's  using wideband baluns you should be able to pick the 2nd or 3rd  harmonic as 16 Mhz or 24 Mhz which is about the top end of driving cheap IRF's fets.


At low end < 10 Mhz it will push up to 40 watts using 24v supply on a pair of fets. Current will be around 3 amps.  Over 20 Mhz might squeeze 8-10 watts out.   For higher frequencies and more power the cost is going to run in to hundreds of dollars for a better solution.  If you strike lucky you might find some NMR experiments in these low frequency range. Whatever it is certainly going to be better than a cheap bench signal generator going to 1 Mhz with 1mW signal o/p.  Nothing going to happen at low power levels.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16949 on: April 15, 2013, 09:46:11 PM »
Dear Grumage

Dense jungle ,you said ? So a bit more sentiments now , if you don't mind..... Well, I see a clear blue sky among trees , maybe it's a hot beach ? Not much trees left ..... behind is forest  ;D Took me 12 years to cut this road but finally I think : why ? why so long ?!  it should take no more then a month !!!   :( >:( How so ? Feel like a Moses after 40 years going in circle through desert....
I have plenty coils too, one even took me whole month to wind by hand  :o (yes!). No one is working yet, but I would not throw them away, maybe someday I will find the correct way and equipment to power each one ?