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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16598552 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16815 on: April 10, 2013, 01:17:42 PM »
As TK is supposed not to have used any high capacity batteries to power his devices, would just a short burst of saturating DC be sufficient or would this need to be constant?
Short DC pulse would be sufficient to saturate a ferrous core but it would be more efficient to use permanent magnets for saturating it ...or use a core that already has magnetic permeability = 1, (e.g. brass).

Permanent magnets that conduct electricity throw a monkey wrench into the whole scheme due to eddy currents that get induced in them by high dB/dt.  Some types  of magnets are electrically conductive and some are not.  Watch out for that.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16816 on: April 10, 2013, 02:17:32 PM »
Short DC pulse would be sufficient to saturate a ferrous core but it would be more efficient to use permanent magnets for saturating it ...or use a core that already has magnetic permeability = 1, (e.g. brass).

Permanent magnets that conduct electricity throw a monkey wrench into the whole scheme due to eddy currents that get induced in them by high dB/dt.  Some types  of magnets are electrically conductive and some are not.  Watch out for that.

Thanks Verpies.

Developing on Grumage's idea and in order to keep things "it will make you laugh simple", I keep thinking back to the 'tin can' video where he produced that loud noise that I can only describe as like a transformer makes when its overloaded. I'm thinking that maybe the transformer is receiving a pulsed current input on the primary and the induced secondary current is being full-wave or half-wave rectified and then fed-back onto the primary via some controlling mechanism. If a second primary winding was to receive an RF frequency produced by TK's Tesla coil, would this be a basis for a viable experiment? Also, could the old Russian transformers have a core material more suited for NMR working?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16817 on: April 10, 2013, 03:53:45 PM »
Developing on Grumage's idea and in order to keep things "it will make you laugh simple", I keep thinking back to the 'tin can' video where he produced that loud noise that I can only describe as like a transformer makes when its overloaded.
Yes, for a moment it did sound like an overloaded stick welding transformer when the electrode gets stuck.  Somebody directed my attention to that sound on another thread in this forum. Was it you?

I'm thinking that maybe the transformer is receiving a pulsed current input on the primary and the induced secondary current is being full-wave or half-wave rectified
If the saturating field is unipolar (e.g. created by a magnet + DC) then the current induced in the secondary will be PDC and that does not require rectification.

and then fed-back onto the primary via some controlling mechanism. If a second primary winding was to receive an RF frequency produced by TK's Tesla coil, would this be a basis for a viable experiment?
Yes, a short and powerful HV discharge could produce the correct RF for tickling the core, but a Tesla coil would be a lot of work just to get the HV and AFAIK TC does not produce short pulses by itself. 
There are so many simpler ways to produce short powerful pulses, the simplest being a capacitive discharge into a spark gap.  A more complex and also more efficient solution would be the 50kW nanosecond pulse that is produced by a DSRD.  IMO the most efficient would be an FM RF oscillator. Maybe such an oscillator is initially powered by that 9V battery?

Also, could the old Russian transformers have a core material more suited for NMR working?
I don't know. If they made them with soft iron cores (not transformer silicon steel) then it would be easier to saturate.
But pure iron is harder to smelt than steel, so I don't think so. 

Conjecure: Maybe TK replaced the transformer's steel core with a brass one - who knows?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16818 on: April 10, 2013, 04:50:10 PM »
       Could we excite some neuclear reaction using atomospheric nitrogen?  Nitrogen becomes carbon and we get fast electrons.  If the fast electrons encounter a magnetic field don't they slow down by producing various longer wave photons depending on how they are slowed down?  If the longerwave photons initiate rf currents in an antennae connected to a tank circuit can we ringup the tank until the power levels are usable in driving lights and motors?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16819 on: April 10, 2013, 05:00:56 PM »
Dear Verpies,

How important is the DC saturation? The NMR frequency of any material is based upon the magnetic field that sits on it. The higher the magnetic field get's, the higher the material's resonant frequency becomes.

My own thought for this one would be a fixed RF frequency and vary the intensity of the magnetizing/saturating force. That way you would hopefully keep catching the " Whisp"

Any way I am putting "money where mouth is ". I have ordered some HF transistors from Farnell. Should be good to 30MHZ. Going to try driving a Tesla primary with continuous wave. And sit a transformer within the field.

BTW. I had a Foundry business for a number of years and it struck me Pig Iron may be a good source for "fuel".

Cheers Grum.

PS, I am suddenly reminded that we all seem to "Put on you" I hope you don't mind? :)
But thank you, I'm sure we all do!!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16820 on: April 10, 2013, 06:16:09 PM »
Dear Verpies,

How important is the DC saturation? The NMR frequency of any material is based upon the magnetic field that sits on it. The higher the magnetic field get's, the higher the material's resonant frequency becomes.

My own thought for this one would be a fixed RF frequency and vary the intensity of the magnetizing/saturating force. That way you would hopefully keep catching the " Whisp"

Any way I am putting "money where mouth is ". I have ordered some HF transistors from Farnell. Should be good to 30MHZ. Going to try driving a Tesla primary with continuous wave. And sit a transformer within the field.

BTW. I had a Foundry business for a number of years and it struck me Pig Iron may be a good source for "fuel".

Cheers Grum.

PS, I am suddenly reminded that we all seem to "Put on you" I hope you don't mind? :)
But thank you, I'm sure we all do!!

Here is a link to  the forum that I put most of the info on that subject of NMR.  It does work, the Nobel prize was given to a guy in the late 50's for his experiments.  Copper will work just fine, but the impulses have to be straight up and down practically.  The priming field is first put on for 10 seconds or so to align the vectors of the little gyro-magnetic molecules.  Then the first pulse turns them up on their sides as they spin up to high saturation energy level.  But the same pulse will not work for the spin down, so you use another frequency to spin them back down to low saturation power level.  then repeat the next pulse and so on.  Its just like using a bike wheel.  You hang the wheel by one side of its axil and spin it up and it turns upright and turns as it is spinning.   CW does work, but it doesnt produce what pulsed RF does.. 
PS  you need around a 40 watt pulse to achive this, 

http://www.overunity.com/13164/tk-device-tpu-only-enter-if-you-seek-truth-cause-here-it-is/

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16821 on: April 10, 2013, 06:23:50 PM »
Could we excite some neuclear reaction using atomospheric nitrogen? 
Over 99% of the atmospheric nitrogen is 14N that has the same number of protons as neutrons, thus its neutrons cannot be exposed by imposing more angular momentum on them by RF or NMR.  Without exposing those neutrons, I do not know how to make the atmospheric nitrogen decay.

If the fast electrons encounter a magnetic field don't they slow down by producing various longer wave photons depending on how they are slowed down? 
Magnetic fields do not slow down beta particles immediately. They just curve their trajectories.  Slowly, this curvature and centripetal acceleration makes them radiate photons through synchrotron radiation and they spiral down. The frequency of this radiation is usually in the X-ray band for electrons moving close to C.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16822 on: April 10, 2013, 06:39:48 PM »
How important is the DC saturation?
For iron it can increase the RF penetration by 7000% due to the decrease of iron's magnetic permeability.
For core materials such as brass this is not necessary.

The NMR frequency of any material is based upon the magnetic field that sits on it. The higher the magnetic field gets, the higher the material's resonant frequency becomes.
Yes. The skin effect also varies as the square root of inverse frequency.

My own thought for this one would be a fixed RF frequency and vary the intensity of the magnetizing/saturating force. That way you would hopefully keep catching the " Whisp"
That's possible too and that is what the Yoke device did with the 50Hz on one of its primary windings.  Actually some users of this forum rejected the Yoke device because there was too much disproportion between the primary input and secondary output (and vice versa) for the turn ratio that existed between these windings.

Actually, the biggest problem with your method is that the variation in the intensity of the magnetizing force, also couples to the secondary winding through the ordinary transformer action.  That's why it's better to frequency modulate the HF rather than the perpendicular magnetizing force.

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The proper perpendicular polarizing and confining magnetizing force should be unipolar, e.g. caused by DC+AC>0, or in other words LF AC riding on top of DC in such manner that the amplitude of the AC is << DC level.  Permanent magnets can take place of the DC component.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16823 on: April 10, 2013, 06:59:08 PM »
For iron it can increase the RF penetration by 7000% due to the decrease of iron's magnetic permeability.
For core materials such as brass this is not necessary.
Yes. The skin effect also varies as the square root of inverse frequency.
That's possible too and that is what the Yoke device did with the 50Hz on one of its primary windings.  Actually some users of this forum rejected the Yoke device because there was too much disproportion between the primary input and secondary output (and vice versa) for the turn ratio that existed between these windings.

Actually, the biggest problem with your method is that the variation in the intensity of the magnetizing force, also couples to the secondary winding through the ordinary transformer action.  That's why it's better to frequency modulate the HF rather than the perpendicular magnetizing force.

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The proper perpendicular polarizing and confining magnetizing force should be unipolar, e.g. caused by DC+AC>0, or in other words LF AC riding on top of DC in such manner that the amplitude of the AC is << DC level.  Permanent magnets can take place of the DC component.

Dear Verpies,

Many, many thanks for your reply. More lateral thinking, another fall? :) What about using 27MHz ie the old CB? Here in the UK we were forced into 27Mhz FM. Now could we use the 27 Mhz carrier and apply our driving frequency to it?

From what element six was saying we need about 40 W. There are "Burners" quite capable of much more!!! But can you put the output of a CB radio into a coil? This is not my field of expertise!!

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #16824 on: April 10, 2013, 07:23:12 PM »
Yes, for a moment it did sound like an overloaded stick welding transformer when the electrode gets stuck.  Somebody directed my attention to that sound on another thread in this forum. Was it you?
If the saturating field is unipolar (e.g. created by a magnet + DC) then the current induced in the secondary will be PDC and that does not require rectification.
Yes, a short and powerful HV discharge could produce the correct RF for tickling the core, but a Tesla coil would be a lot of work just to get the HV and AFAIK TC does not produce short pulses by itself. 
There are so many simpler ways to produce short powerful pulses, the simplest being a capacitive discharge into a spark gap.  A more complex and also more efficient solution would be the 50kW nanosecond pulse that is produced by a DSRD.  IMO the most efficient would be an FM RF oscillator. Maybe such an oscillator is initially powered by that 9V battery?
I don't know. If they made them with soft iron cores (not transformer silicon steel) then it would be easier to saturate.
But pure iron is harder to smelt than steel, so I don't think so. 

Conjecure: Maybe TK replaced the transformer's steel core with a brass one - who knows?

I suggested a Tesla coil because this and a spark gap are what TK show in both the 'tin can'' and 'green box' videos. Assuming these are not just eye candy, then he may have produced his HV for the transformer primary this way, being the only way he could think of until he started experimenting with a gas burner igniter we see in another video (or was it the other way around?). Its quite possible that in addition to the 9V battery, TK could have hidden another bigger battery in the 'green box' video to power up the TC / SG.  All conjecture but being really optimistic, it could be that simple. I have mentioned the Trafo noise before as have others and I seem to recall that it was suggested that this noise was the best clue to we have to the mode of operation.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16825 on: April 10, 2013, 07:29:45 PM »
CB  band too narrow. You would have to have amazing luck to land on 26-27 mhz and it to find the correct frequency.  Ideally you need  a full range signal generator from like 500khz to 800 Mhz to have the best chance of finding the spot frequency then feed that into a 50 watt linear amplifier.   Normally an intense pulse is used so that the harmonics fly up to UHF then Fourier  transform analysis is used to find the response frequency.  Its very dependent on the precise core material under test and the magnetic bias.


Wesley did something similar using his sig gens then using spectrum analyser to find the response nodes.  In the coleman patent they suggest 300 Mhz but it was 430 Mhz i think they gave a radiation response.  Some of the transceivers  on ebay for around $100-150 will cover VHF and UHF like 137-150 Mhz then 380 to 470 Mhz.  You would have better luck with this than a CB radio.





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« Reply #16826 on: April 10, 2013, 07:44:20 PM »
Then the first pulse turns them up on their sides as they spin up to high saturation energy level.  But the same pulse will not work for the spin down, so you use another frequency to spin them back down to low saturation power level. 
It is not necessary to spin down the nucleus. To stimulate beta decay it is only necessary to spin it up.  Once the nucleus is spun-up it is more likely to break up. Once it breaks up, all hell breaks loose and you don't care about its spin anymore. Now you've got that electron (or positron) moving close to the speed of light through your core and the most important thing is not to let it escape from this core and guide it in the same orbit as other electrons. A bunch of fast electrons moving along the same orbit constitute a current loop (moving charges = current) and all current loops produce a magnetic field.  Sadly this magnetic field opposes your magnetic field that was confining these electrons to their orbits and eventually overcomes it. When that happens, containment is lost and the beta current pulse ends.  ...and the operator gets a hefty dose of fast electrons :(      Ask Wesley how that feels.

This has never been confirmed but I suspect that during the brief time when the containment was maintained, those speeding electrons collided with other spun-up nuclei and destabilized them further, causing secondary decays in the same direction as the incoming electron.  The same direction is important because it leads to a coherent emission of fast electrons (or positrons) similar to coherent emission of photons in a laser.  Normally, in natural beta decay, fast electrons are emitted in random directions.

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F.I.D. might last for 10s but the spin polarization happens in milliseconds.  That's why the pulse repetition rate (PRR) can easily exceed 100Hz.
The "break up" of the nucleus was just an "easy phrase". The spun-up nucleus just leaves one neutron exposed to collision and conversion into a proton.  In a spun-down nucleus this neutron is covered and protected by neighboring protons. The neutron never really breaks away from the nucleus - it just converts to proton in place ...and emits an electron (or positron).  Of course there are such things as free neutrons, but they are completely unprotected outside of the company of protons, and very prone to collisons - thus they decay into a proton in 15min on average.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16827 on: April 10, 2013, 08:06:17 PM »
Many, many thanks for your reply. More lateral thinking, another fall? :) What about using 27MHz ie the old CB? Here in the UK we were forced into 27Mhz FM. Now could we use the 27 Mhz carrier and apply our driving frequency to it?
Creative thinking is not bad.  It's just important to be consistent and rigorous at it.

Using a FM CB @ 27MHz might be a good idea if you precisely adjust the perpendicular polarizing magnetic field in such was as to create NMR excitation in the core at this narrow 27MHz range.
If you use a linear power amplifier with an impedance matching transformer (ferrite or quarter-wave transformer) to match the 50Ω output of the linear amplifier to the ~1Ω imedance of the coil, then all the better.
You can and should use the FM mode on the CB to vary/sweep the driving frequency around the anticipated center frequency with a simple triangular or sine audio oscillator connected to the microphone input. (the quarter wave impedance matching transformer might not like the FM deviation, though)

But before you go out and buy "burners" please decide what kind of core you would like to use (iron, brass, Coleman, copper...) and do some basic math to calculate what magnetic fields you'd need to elicit NMR in that core @ 27MHz and if the size of that core will be sufficient to contain the orbits of the fast electrons that will be generated.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16828 on: April 10, 2013, 08:10:06 PM »
CB  band too narrow. You would have to have amazing luck to land on 26-27 mhz and it to find the correct frequency.  Ideally you need  a full range signal generator from like 500khz to 800 Mhz to have the best chance of finding the spot frequency then feed that into a 50 watt linear amplifier.   Normally an intense pulse is used so that the harmonics fly up to UHF then Fourier  transform analysis is used to find the response frequency.  Its very dependent on the precise core material under test and the magnetic bias.


Wesley did something similar using his sig gens then using spectrum analyser to find the response nodes.  In the coleman patent they suggest 300 Mhz but it was 430 Mhz i think they gave a radiation response.  Some of the transceivers  on ebay for around $100-150 will cover VHF and UHF like 137-150 Mhz then 380 to 470 Mhz.  You would have better luck with this than a CB radio.





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Hello bolt,

A valid point, but surely a set frequency and "Tailor" the field strength to suit, to me seems more logical.

But can you put the output of a radio transmitter into a coil rather than an aerial?

Cheers Grum.

BTW.
Take a look at the Meyer-Mace patent, they were using  21 MHz!!

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« Reply #16829 on: April 10, 2013, 08:55:00 PM »
Rossi examined by independent source


 before and after start of reactor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQ


Wesley