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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13204708 times)

Offline elementSix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15810 on: January 31, 2013, 06:15:01 PM »
Here is the paper with Teslas work in it.  I got that info from earlier.  Its from a patent I believe..

READ IT.  I skipped a lot of good info..

SRRY, I posted the right Txt now..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15811 on: January 31, 2013, 06:18:43 PM »
Here is the paper with Teslas work in it.  I got that info from earlier.  Its from a patent I believe..

READ IT.  I skipped a lot of good info..

 Now there is a problem of all the question marks in that text file. What are they after the text of the original Tesla patent?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15812 on: January 31, 2013, 06:39:42 PM »
 
 How I see TK's system is now a high voltage(electric field) coil (thick copper coil=Upper atmosphere) with the earths crust (Ground Wire) acess to the ground currents and the extraction coil in between each. Resonance can be applied to each coil via construction and the ground current is drawn into the circuit via the pickup coil. It is then used to strengthen the fields then returned via the load to ground.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15813 on: January 31, 2013, 07:03:15 PM »
When Tesla says he gets HORSEPOWER from this, That would have to be Current, Right?  I mean without current you don't have much use with a large Electric Motor.  You need Current for the Horsepower to move the motor.  Those big motors back then probably used a lot of current... ??

I agree, this is my thinking. His 'Movement' = current, whether it be from capacitor discharge or other source.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15814 on: January 31, 2013, 07:07:34 PM »
I agree, this is my thinking. His 'Movement' = current, whether it be from capacitor discharge or other source.

 Ok you use the word current.. What does that mean to you? How is current initiated?

 In my world current is initiated from a potential difference. Because potentials like to equalize when a path is put between them, this action is deemed current. Current is potential satified or equalized. What current is, is the issue here. What is moving so that potentials can be equal?
 This goes into matter and what it is. From my understanding matter is bound charge. It is bound by matter and held into that charge by the capacity of that binding. These charges are highly mobile and the only influencing of that charge is by the electric field. Unbound charges are free to mobilize in a very short time. This is the effect of corona discharges. The potential is fulfilled by charges that are attracted to the potential. The charges move so fast that they create light in the process causing the effect we see in a corona discharge. Since matter has mobile charges bound inside of it they can move as well but it takes more potential to move the charges out of that binding container of matter. When it is taken from the matter it creates a vacuum. This vacuum sucks that charges back in when available.
 So Tesla was right about the expanding baloon analogy. Pull out charges and let it snap back via vacuum and it will create an oscillation of that baloon. A baloon might not be the right analogy though. Lets say the baloon is thicker and in the original state it is say 10 cm across. Suck out some air and the thick baloon resists this extraction and causes a vacuum. Release the orifice that you used to suck the air out and it will suck in air to bring it back to it's rested state. But as we all know it will overshoot and draw in a slight more air to become pressurized and it will then release that air back out and over shoot again sucking in less and less air as the cycles continue. The maximum solution is to periodically suck on the baloon every in and out motion for a complete cycle or to tap the swing every in and out cycle. This is a rather bad analogy but you get the Idea I hope.

 One experiment that I think related fundamentally to this is the crystal battery. We are using matter and it's different forms to create a flow of current through a highly crystalline form of matter. This crystalline form of matter creates a diode of sorts when first formed. We use two metals of dissimular makeup that have a difference of potential. This biases the crystalline diode on and allows a current of one way to form through the battery. As you draw charges from one material to the other each plate becomes balanced and the flow eventually stops but given enough time for the matter to reguage back to it's normal and the flow will continue. This has been experimentally verified on this forum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15815 on: January 31, 2013, 08:07:51 PM »

 Ok you use the word current.. What does that mean to you? How is current initiated?

 In my world current is initiated from a potential difference. Because potentials like to equalize when a path is put between them, this action is deemed current. Current is potential satified or equalized. What current is, is the issue here. What is moving so that potentials can be equal?
 This goes into matter and what it is. From my understanding matter is bound charge. It is bound by matter and held into that charge by the capacity of that binding. These charges are highly mobile and the only influencing of that charge is by the electric field. Unbound charges are free to mobilize in a very short time. This is the effect of corona discharges. The potential is fulfilled by charges that are attracted to the potential. The charges move so fast that they create light in the process causing the effect we see in a corona discharge. Since matter has mobile charges bound inside of it they can move as well but it takes more potential to move the charges out of that binding container of matter. When it is taken from the matter it creates a vacuum. This vacuum sucks that charges back in when available.
 So Tesla was right about the expanding baloon analogy. Pull out charges and let it snap back via vacuum and it will create an oscillation of that baloon. A baloon might not be the right analogy though. Lets say the baloon is thicker and in the original state it is say 10 cm across. Suck out some air and the thick baloon resists this extraction and causes a vacuum. Release the orifice that you used to suck the air out and it will suck in air to bring it back to it's rested state. But as we all know it will overshoot and draw in a slight more air to become pressurized and it will then release that air back out and over shoot again sucking in less and less air as the cycles continue. The maximum solution is to periodically suck on the baloon every in and out motion for a complete cycle or to tap the swing every in and out cycle. This is a rather bad analogy but you get the Idea I hope.

 One experiment that I think related fundamentally to this is the crystal battery. We are using matter and it's different forms to create a flow of current through a highly crystalline form of matter. This crystalline form of matter creates a diode of sorts when first formed. We use two metals of dissimular makeup that have a difference of potential. This biases the crystalline diode on and allows a current of one way to form through the battery. As you draw charges from one material to the other each plate becomes balanced and the flow eventually stops but given enough time for the matter to reguage back to it's normal and the flow will continue. This has been experimentally verified on this forum.

Yes, potential difference is the generally accepted initiator of current. However, we are digressing from the core issue, that is how did TK create a potential difference for free in his devices, such that some believe that his devices ran overunity. My belief is that his potential difference was derived from a grid supply which he made every effort to conceal from his audiences. Tesla also used copious amounts of grid power for his high voltage experiments but never concealed this fact!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15816 on: January 31, 2013, 09:03:35 PM »
Yes, potential difference is the generally accepted initiator of current. However, we are digressing from the core issue, that is how did TK create a potential difference for free in his devices, such that some believe that his devices ran overunity. My belief is that his potential difference was derived from a grid supply which he made every effort to conceal from his audiences. Tesla also used copious amounts of grid power for his high voltage experiments but never concealed this fact!

 Well if we could come up with a way to adress what potential difference = what maximum current this could be worked out. At first TK used a battery to devolp this potential difference in the back yard version. This battery is removed after the process is started. This mean somehow there is enough current in the device once started that it could be looped back into the battery portion that is now absent to run the device. How this is done isn't very clear because he hides a great many things from our sight.

 
 I myself think it is the special isolation transformer and diode bridge he puts in place of the battery to feed the inverter. The reasoning is sound though. The special transformer was said to be a split inner magnetic core and special winding technique. How that works I'm not entirely clear about but I think it might have a lot to do with bifilar winding methods.
 
 If the high voltage field is oriented in such a way and from the heavy copper coils geometry when compared to the ground cable going inside of it, it looks like a screw type geometry. The coil pumps the end of the ground wire to lend the charges inside of the grounds matter to the system. These charges are then pulled into the system and induce a heavy current in the interior coil which is the load coil then shunted back to ground through the load. This means it is phase shifted and reballanced as it shunts to the ground. Could that be right? Hmmm.. Lets look at a closed loop of wire in a special way like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH2TWPJiwEA
 
Let the video play out and they will show you how it is made.

 The wire loop going through the coil and cores is a straight wire loop... kinda the same process for the charge pumping action I think is going on in the TK ground wire. You could think of this as a source of charges being sucked up a straw(wire).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15817 on: January 31, 2013, 09:37:30 PM »

 Well if we could come up with a way to adress what potential difference = what maximum current this could be worked out. At first TK used a battery to devolp this potential difference in the back yard version. This battery is removed after the process is started. This mean somehow there is enough current in the device once started that it could be looped back into the battery portion that is now absent to run the device. How this is done isn't very clear because he hides a great many things from our sight.

 
 I myself think it is the special isolation transformer and diode bridge he puts in place of the battery to feed the inverter. The reasoning is sound though. The special transformer was said to be a split inner magnetic core and special winding technique. How that works I'm not entirely clear about but I think it might have a lot to do with bifilar winding methods.
 
 If the high voltage field is oriented in such a way and from the heavy copper coils geometry when compared to the ground cable going inside of it, it looks like a screw type geometry. The coil pumps the end of the ground wire to lend the charges inside of the grounds matter to the system. These charges are then pulled into the system and induce a heavy current in the interior coil which is the load coil then shunted back to ground through the load. This means it is phase shifted and reballanced as it shunts to the ground. Could that be right? Hmmm.. Lets look at a closed loop of wire in a special way like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH2TWPJiwEA
 
Let the video play out and they will show you how it is made.

 The wire loop going through the coil and cores is a straight wire loop... kinda the same process for the charge pumping action I think is going on in the TK ground wire. You could think of this as a source of charges being sucked up a straw(wire).

I've seen this demonstrated a few times and done it myself. The inner copper tube (or copper spiral) can be pulled from the ferrite rings and so long as a length of metal rod or wire is through the copper, the load lamp will still light. I've not seen a good explanation for this but I have not found its an OU effect, as there is always sufficient energy available from the signal generator to energise the lamp from my experiments. Nonetheless, its interesting and something that needs further study, as it could form the basis of TK's devices, assuming of course that they are not faked by powering direct from a grid supply.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15818 on: January 31, 2013, 10:36:04 PM »
I've seen this demonstrated a few times and done it myself. The inner copper tube (or copper spiral) can be pulled from the ferrite rings and so long as a length of metal rod or wire is through the copper, the load lamp will still light. I've not seen a good explanation for this but I have not found its an OU effect, as there is always sufficient energy available from the signal generator to energise the lamp from my experiments. Nonetheless, its interesting and something that needs further study, as it could form the basis of TK's devices, assuming of course that they are not faked by powering direct from a grid supply.

 I didn't say it was free energy. It's just part of the process. Think of the wire loop being the ground wire. It would still create a movement of the charges in the ground up through the device. This was my only reference to it really as it shows that a stright wire through a coil will allow a movement through that wire. If the cores don't actually suck up the magnetic component what is allowing the transfer of the energy to the straight wire. Both the inside and the outside of the coil in the case of my example is effectivel shielded by the magnetic cores. So whats allowing the transfer then?
 
If we now take this example and look for the simularities you'll see that the ground wire in TK's backyard video is that straight wire. Without the cores you will see that it still runs as shown. So this means it can pull the charges from the ground up through the coils via stimulation of the heavy copper high voltage coils around the device. The load coil is the reciever of the magnetic fields created and induce a heavy current in the load coils I am betting. Since the heavy copper coil is pulsed with the HV this creates a vacuum to the charges. So it sucks them up and lets them go back down the ground cable. This will create a heavy magnetic field that changes and can be harvested by the load coil. The load coil is attached to both the load and isolation transformer(with diode bridge) which can run the inverter on it's own loop. This splits the input from the output and should run the device without input aka battery to inverter.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15818 on: January 31, 2013, 10:36:04 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15819 on: January 31, 2013, 11:22:18 PM »

 So it sucks them up and lets them go back down the ground cable. This will create a heavy magnetic field that changes and can be harvested by the load coil. The load coil is attached to both the load and isolation transformer(with diode bridge) which can run the inverter on it's own loop. This splits the input from the output and should run the device without input aka battery to inverter.

This is a nice theory but IMO a big assumption to make, that as far as I'm aware has not been reliably demonstrated, certainly not by TK. 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15820 on: February 01, 2013, 01:58:52 AM »
 
 So are you saying that the current static rules are merely a theory. That charges will not move if placed in a field? Doesn't that go against your agreement that potentials are why there is current? So what is current in your opinion or anything that you believe in as fact?

 So what makes the single wire loop light the lightbulb in the experiment that I showed?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15821 on: February 01, 2013, 02:23:59 AM »
When Tesla says he gets HORSEPOWER from this, That would have to be Current, Right?  I mean without current you don't have much use with a large Electric Motor.  You need Current for the Horsepower to move the motor.  Those big motors back then probably used a lot of current... ??

Hi elementsix, Horsepower is simply another unit of power, 1 horsepower is about 750 Watts, this is power, which is the rate at which energy is applied or dissipated.
It is not necessarily the amount of energy. In my opinion, Tesla is definitely talking about a value of the oscillating power, not the output power.
I think in most cases when Tesla talks of a "rate of movement of electricity" he is talking about oscillating power or reactive power.
Not "output power" or dissipated energy. Tesla coils can accumulate a lot of oscillating power/energy but that is not output until it is dissipated in a useful load
as useful work, then it can be called output energy.

A 30 Kw motor is about a 40 HP motor. My car engine can produce 151 Kw of power which is about 203 Horse Power.

Current is not power, power is not necessarily energy and oscillating energy/power is not necessarily output or work done on a load.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15822 on: February 01, 2013, 05:29:29 AM »

 Now there is a problem of all the question marks in that text file. What are they after the text of the original Tesla patent?

Sorry guys that TXT was converted because I can't post RTF rich text format, so I saved it as a TXT file and it got all fucked up.  Ill find the original hyperlink.  Give me a day..

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« Reply #15823 on: February 01, 2013, 08:28:10 AM »
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Sorry guys that TXT was converted because I can't post RTF rich text format, so I saved it as a TXT file and it got all fucked up.  Ill find the original hyperlink.  Give me a day..

This is a pdf version

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15824 on: February 01, 2013, 09:28:56 AM »

 So are you saying that the current static rules are merely a theory. That charges will not move if placed in a field? Doesn't that go against your agreement that potentials are why there is current? So what is current in your opinion or anything that you believe in as fact?

 So what makes the single wire loop light the lightbulb in the experiment that I showed?

TK's 'green box' device demo showed a single wire supposedly connected to ground (although I believe as Wattsup showed, that this was an illusion and that it was actually connected to an external power supply). This wire was not returned to ground as far as I could see, so it appears that TK did not have a single wire loop. Also, if not grid powered, where was TK's source of energy for the excitation field, as represented by the signal generator in the demo you posted (other than the possibility of batteries hidden in a box)? I'm therefore saying that in TK's demo, I cannot see how a charge is 'sucked-up' out of the ground as you suggest, without a conductive loop and a source of energy for the excitation field. I'm not saying that I rule out this 'single loop' principle of operation for the TK device, just that the video evidence does not appear to support it.

Edit: I forgot to add that my experiments indicate that the light bulb is lit from the energy delivered by the signal generator. The bulb always lights much brighter when connected directly across the signal generator output. I have not seen this shown in any of the videos as a comparison with the single loop connection.
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