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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13201380 times)

Offline elementSix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15795 on: January 29, 2013, 09:53:31 PM »
How does Tariel Kap.  Keep resonance between his primary, secondary.  He used some kind of PLL?  If you can't adjust the  frequency and phase of the BB loop 7 and 8 (primary and secondary), then you need to adjust the frequency and phase of the transmission "station" (inductor).  Hey FREEENERGYINFO, can you translate these Pictures? Here is the page they are on.
http://halerman.narod.ru/TTCG/Kapanadze.htm

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15796 on: January 29, 2013, 11:02:24 PM »
How does Tariel Kap.  Keep resonance between his primary, secondary.  He used some kind of PLL?  If you can't adjust the  frequency and phase of the BB loop 7 and 8 (primary and secondary), then you need to adjust the frequency and phase of the transmission "station" (inductor).  Hey FREEENERGYINFO, can you translate these Pictures? Here is the page they are on.
http://halerman.narod.ru/TTCG/Kapanadze.htm

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15797 on: January 30, 2013, 09:10:31 PM »
Since I'm currently waiting for some ordered electronic parts, in the meantime more theoretical considerations, because in theory it always works:

How does Tariel Kap.  Keep resonance between his primary, secondary.  He used some kind of PLL?
What is the purpose of TK's blue inverter?

1) To provide continuous electric energy to the device?

Can't be, because a circuit that generates electric energy by itself should not need the continuous supply of electric energy from the outside.

2) To provide 50Hz?

Can't be, because a circuit that generates electric energy by oscillating at its own resonance frequency should not need the supply of 50Hz from the outside.

So what does that mean? Does that mean the purpose of the blue inverter is once more just distraction and the green box device could be started with the pulse of a 9V battery as well?

Something oscillates and resonates and generates thereby energy. Now what is the standard circuit to get oscillations? It is the Astable Multivibrator or Flip Flop circuit. Thus what could happen if one replaces the transistors by thyristors (triacs) and the resistors by coils (50Hz transformer) so the current in the circuit is AC instead of DC? Could it be that this leads to a parametric oscillation that keeps oscillating even when the start-up pulse has been removed? Just asking, because such a construction would fit very nicely the Steven Marks TPU, which clearly runs without sophisticated electronics for pulse generation (presumably like Kapanadze and Stepanov devices). And it would fit this droll statement, it need a little bit polishing, it is close.

So who would like to do the polishing? :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15798 on: January 30, 2013, 09:18:31 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15799 on: January 31, 2013, 12:19:25 AM »
Free Nonsense..  I like that.  TK has to have a circuit controller to adjust the input to keep resonance.  Resonance in Resonance.  Whos schematic is that Flyback??  What do you think of using a PHase Locked Loop to adjust the input?  Does that make sense?  The Tk device is basically the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter. 
Tesla Wrote
In Fig. 1, A designates a primary coil form­ing part of a transformer and consisting gen­erally of a few turns of a stout cable of inap­preciable resistance, the ends of which are connected to the terminals of a source of pow­erful electrical oscillations, diagrammatically represented by B. This source is usually a condenser charged to a high potential and dis­charged in rapid succession through the primary, as in a type of transformer invented
by me and not well known; but when it is de­sired to produce stationary waves of great lengths an alternating dynamo of suitable con­struction may be used to energize the primary A. C is a spirally-wound secondary coil with­in the primary having the end nearer to the latter connected to the ground E' and the other end to an elevated terminal E. The physical constants of coil C, determining its period of vibration, are so chosen and adjusted that the secondary system E' C E is in the closest pos­sible resonance with the oscillations impressed upon it by the primary A. It is, moreover, of the greatest importance in order to still further enhance the rise of pressure and to increase the electrical movement in the sec­ondary system that its resistance be as small as practicable and its self-induction as large as possible under the conditions imposed. The ground should be made with great care, with the object of reducing its resistance. Instead of being directly grounded, as indicated, the coil C may be joined in series or otherwise to the primary A, in which case the latter will be connected to the plate E'; but be it that none or a part or all of the primary or exciting turns are included in the coil C the total length of the conductor from the ground-plate E' to the elevated terminal E should be equal to one-quarter of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the sys­tem E' C E or else equal to that length mul­tiplied by an odd number. This relation being observed, the terminal E will be made to coincide with the points of maximum pressure in the secondary or excited circuit, and the greatest of flow electricity will take place in the same. In order to magnify the electrical movement in the secondary as much as possible, it is essential that its inductive connection with the primary A should not be very intimate, as in ordinary transformers, but loose, so as to permit free oscillation — that is to say, their mutual induction should be small. The spiral form of coil C secures this advantage, while the turns near the primary A are subjected to a strong inductive action and develop a high initial electromotive force. These adjustments and relations being care­fully completed and other constructive fea­tures indicated rigorously observed, the elec­trical movement produced in the secondary system by the inductive action of the primary A will be enormously magnified, the increase being directly proportionate to the inductance and frequency and inversely to the resistance of the secondary system. I have found it practicable to produce in this manner an electrical movement thousands of times greater than the initial — that is, the one impressed upon the secondary by the primary A — and I have thus reached activities or rates of flow of electrical energy in the system E' C E measured by many tens of thousands of horsepower. Such immense movements of electricity give rise to a variety of novel and striking phenomena, among which are those already described.

This is Sited in TK Patent.  Would this be just the transformer for output or input??
Converter wherein a piezoelectric transformer input signal is frequency modulated by a pulse width modulated signal
PATENT--EP 0758159

HEY ZEIT,  That Multivibrator, is like like a PLL??  That makes sense that it would need one for adjustments, Like the spark gap is only on when the coils get out of sync.  That why it doesn't stay on all the time..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15800 on: January 31, 2013, 02:48:51 AM »
SHEM...
Thank you for the image.


What forum did you get this from?
I checked all the forums I know in Russia and couldn't find this image.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15801 on: January 31, 2013, 09:12:36 AM »
I'd like to point something else out in Tesla's text:


This relation being observed, the terminal E will be made to coincide with the points of maximum pressure in the secondary or excited circuit, and the greatest of flow electricity will take place in the same. In order to magnify the electrical movement in the secondary as much as possible, it is essential that its inductive connection with the primary A should not be very intimate, as in ordinary transformers, but loose, so as to permit free oscillation —

Imagining electrical movement.
He did not use the word current, but it seems that's what he refers to.
So magnification of current which is comparable to Kapanadze's current amplifier ...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15802 on: January 31, 2013, 09:52:38 AM »
Free Nonsense..  I like that.  TK has to have a circuit controller to adjust the input to keep resonance.  Resonance in Resonance.  Whos schematic is that Flyback??  What do you think of using a PHase Locked Loop to adjust the input?  Does that make sense?  The Tk device is basically the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter. 
Tesla Wrote
In Fig. 1, A designates a primary coil form­ing part of a transformer and consisting gen­erally of a few turns of a stout cable of inap­preciable resistance, the ends of which are connected to the terminals of a source of pow­erful electrical oscillations, diagrammatically represented by B. This source is usually a condenser charged to a high potential and dis­charged in rapid succession through the primary, as in a type of transformer invented
by me and not well known; but when it is de­sired to produce stationary waves of great lengths an alternating dynamo of suitable con­struction may be used to energize the primary A. C is a spirally-wound secondary coil with­in the primary having the end nearer to the latter connected to the ground E' and the other end to an elevated terminal E. The physical constants of coil C, determining its period of vibration, are so chosen and adjusted that the secondary system E' C E is in the closest pos­sible resonance with the oscillations impressed upon it by the primary A. It is, moreover, of the greatest importance in order to still further enhance the rise of pressure and to increase the electrical movement in the sec­ondary system that its resistance be as small as practicable and its self-induction as large as possible under the conditions imposed. The ground should be made with great care, with the object of reducing its resistance. Instead of being directly grounded, as indicated, the coil C may be joined in series or otherwise to the primary A, in which case the latter will be connected to the plate E'; but be it that none or a part or all of the primary or exciting turns are included in the coil C the total length of the conductor from the ground-plate E' to the elevated terminal E should be equal to one-quarter of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the sys­tem E' C E or else equal to that length mul­tiplied by an odd number. This relation being observed, the terminal E will be made to coincide with the points of maximum pressure in the secondary or excited circuit, and the greatest of flow electricity will take place in the same. In order to magnify the electrical movement in the secondary as much as possible, it is essential that its inductive connection with the primary A should not be very intimate, as in ordinary transformers, but loose, so as to permit free oscillation — that is to say, their mutual induction should be small. The spiral form of coil C secures this advantage, while the turns near the primary A are subjected to a strong inductive action and develop a high initial electromotive force. These adjustments and relations being care­fully completed and other constructive fea­tures indicated rigorously observed, the elec­trical movement produced in the secondary system by the inductive action of the primary A will be enormously magnified, the increase being directly proportionate to the inductance and frequency and inversely to the resistance of the secondary system. I have found it practicable to produce in this manner an electrical movement thousands of times greater than the initial — that is, the one impressed upon the secondary by the primary A — and I have thus reached activities or rates of flow of electrical energy in the system E' C E measured by many tens of thousands of horsepower. Such immense movements of electricity give rise to a variety of novel and striking phenomena, among which are those already described.

This is Sited in TK Patent.  Would this be just the transformer for output or input??
Converter wherein a piezoelectric transformer input signal is frequency modulated by a pulse width modulated signal
PATENT--EP 0758159

HEY ZEIT,  That Multivibrator, is like like a PLL??  That makes sense that it would need one for adjustments, Like the spark gap is only on when the coils get out of sync.  That why it doesn't stay on all the time..

Hi, the part in bold (in my opinion) describes a magnification of power, and does not describe more energy utilized as is input by him.
The magnification of power is no more free energy than the magnification of light by a magnifying glass. The light from an area is concentrated and focused
so as to increase the energy to certain area by concentration, the magnifying glass also casts a shadow where the light is taken away from. The bigger the magnifying glass
does not necessarily mean more magnification, it's more to do with the magnification factor of the lens and the focus (tuning).  A magnifying glass does not emit more light energy than it takes in, it just concentrates and focuses it, to do more effective work.

Power is not energy utilized. In my opinion he is describing an accumulated oscillating power.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15803 on: January 31, 2013, 01:20:35 PM »
Hi, the part in bold (in my opinion) describes a magnification of power, and does not describe more energy utilized as is input by him.
The magnification of power is no more free energy than the magnification of light by a magnifying glass. The light from an area is concentrated and focused
so as to increase the energy to certain area by concentration, the magnifying glass also casts a shadow where the light is taken away from. The bigger the magnifying glass
does not necessarily mean more magnification, it's more to do with the magnification factor of the lens and the focus (tuning).  A magnifying glass does not emit more light energy than it takes in, it just concentrates and focuses it, to do more effective work.

Power is not energy utilized. In my opinion he is describing an accumulated oscillating power.

Cheers

Could 'movement' be a term Tesla relates to current here. A magnification of current through transformer step-down from high to low voltage?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2013, 03:26:05 PM by Hoppy »

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« Reply #15804 on: January 31, 2013, 02:37:21 PM »
 
 In simplist terms lets try this analogy. You have a pile of gun powder on a table. You light it an poof it instantly flashes and a puff of smoke follows. Now take that same powder and now put it into a brass closed ended sleeve. aka bullet casing. Now light the powder with a lead bullet pressed into the other end. You have now taken all that expansion of the powder and magnified the force by constriction and applied that force to the lead bullet. In a sense the constriction magnifies the force upon the bullet and a massive external force is magnified upon the bullet. The magnifying force can improve the force or make it measurable, when the pile on the table could not have been measurable or useful for anything but flashing, gas expansion and smoke production with some heat thrown in there. The casing and pressed bullet into that casing cause a magnification of all of those forces and applies it to the lead clogged end allowing all that force to be efficiently applied to the bullet.
 Magnification is in this sense a concentrating and redirecting aspect as farmhand has pointed out. Is this usefull? Without arguing about what the magnification is of, I'd say YES?
 
 So now lets look at Tesla or TK's magnification. If you had a weak force you could channel and control in your device, how could you make that usefull? Lets look at an amplifier. We take a weak control signal and control a massive power with that weak control. That in a sense is a magnifier. Exactly the same as the analogy of the sun through a magnifying glass. We make usefull a Vast weak force and concentrate it to do more work then could be possible with the weak force. Plain and simple.
 
 In both cases the massive weak force area are condensed or magnified upon the area we choose to get the amount of force we want for useful work.
 
 The opponents will always argue semantics ignoring the context.
 
 Lets argue instead what is a spark or arc.
 
 Having two elements, one charged in close proximity to each other will always spark or arc to satisfy that charged end. Meaning something moves twords the charged end. This something involves light and heat as it discharges to fulfill the charged end. This is the free in this instance. Whatever jumps that gap and fulfills the charged end is the response that is free. Whatever this is it emits light and heat across the gap. If we use the analogy of a vast capacitor like the ground then we can see that there will be two movements. One twords the charged element and one back twords the capacitor to fullfill what was borrowed. Two movements for the price of one. Both of which emit fields. Both of which can be harvested and magnified.
 Now lets replace the ground with a capacitor. Can you see where this is going? I have ignored a lot in this process like fields just to keep it simple but it is all relevant.

 Light and heat have both to do with magnetic and electric fields combined.

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« Reply #15805 on: January 31, 2013, 03:24:26 PM »

 
 So now lets look at Tesla or TK's magnification. If you had a weak force you could channel and control in your device, how could you make that usefull? Lets look at an amplifier. We take a weak control signal and control a massive power with that weak control. That in a sense is a magnifier. Exactly the same as the analogy of the sun through a magnifying glass. We make usefull a Vast weak force and concentrate it to do more work then could be possible with the weak force. Plain and simple.
 
 In both cases the massive weak force area are condensed or magnified upon the area we choose to get the amount of force we want for useful work.
 

What do you imagine TK was magnifying  ;)


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« Reply #15806 on: January 31, 2013, 04:23:07 PM »
 I suspect that it was the movement of the capacitors capacity. LEts say the capacitor has a charge that is defined by the mass of the capacitor. The capacitor has an innier plate and exterior plate. The inner plate is shielded from all external events by the external plate. This internal plate is the anchor. In the case of Tesla one wire we can see this internal plate as the environment or base. The external plate is the copper plate or acess to the external plates charge. This is an inverse of the closed capacitor but none the less works as stated.
 If we look at Tesla's improvement of capacitors we can see him using one real plate and another virtual plate(liquid). The real plate determins the capacity since the virtuall plate can not be easily changed. Second picture in patent.
 Reference: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-567,818-electrical-condenser
 
 Tesla figured out that any plate of any shape will vary it's capacity via how far from earth the plate is. Just like in the experiments with open variable plates. The further you move them apart the higher the voltage goes between the plates. This is because of variable capacitance based on distance between two plates. But i suspect this changed the strength of the current. The further they become the high the voltage but the weaker the current is.
 
 It is an open capacitor and hence has the ability to focus all the space of one plate (Earth) upon the real plate (copper). This allows one to suck in and magnify all the free charges like heat into the system for conversion to electrical energy. The oscillator is merely a way to pump and select the frequency of the target free charges. The coil/iron is the way to create a one way valve and the load (spining copper disk) is a converter to work and again heat to be released back into the environment.
 
 Again I should show the visual reference to this to make it easier to understand:
 
 My understanding of this process is by far not complete and this is what I got so far. I do not know everything despite how I may make it appear. Tk's methods are very close to this I am betting and should be looked at in this light.

 In the picture below there is but one plate to the capacitor (round globe) The other plate is the earth. Now the Earth has another plate as well and that is the interior plate. Between the earths plates is a massive well of heat and is what I suspect is the anchor(constant). The free radiant energy is in the air all around us and is what it tapped to get work from. The radiant energy is in the form of heat which is radiated from the earths outter plate from the internal capacity. Hence the word to describe this energy is "Radiant energy".

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« Reply #15807 on: January 31, 2013, 05:11:23 PM »
I suspect that it was the movement of the capacitors capacity. LEts say the capacitor has a charge that is defined by the mass of the capacitor. The capacitor has an innier plate and exterior plate. The inner plate is shielded from all external events by the external plate. This internal plate is the anchor. In the case of Tesla one wire we can see this internal plate as the environment or base. The external plate is the copper plate or acess to the external plates charge. This is an inverse of the closed capacitor but none the less works as stated.
 If we look at Tesla's improvement of capacitors we can see him using one real plate and another virtual plate(liquid). The real plate determins the capacity since the virtuall plate can not be easily changed. Second picture in patent.
 Reference: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-567,818-electrical-condenser
 
 Tesla figured out that any plate of any shape will vary it's capacity via how far from earth the plate is. Just like in the experiments with open variable plates. The further you move them apart the higher the voltage goes between the plates. This is because of variable capacitance based on distance between two plates. But i suspect this changed the strength of the current. The further they become the high the voltage but the weaker the current is.
 
 It is an open capacitor and hence has the ability to focus all the space of one plate (Earth) upon the real plate (copper). This allows one to suck in and magnify all the free charges like heat into the system for conversion to electrical energy. The oscillator is merely a way to pump and select the frequency of the target free charges. The coil/iron is the way to create a one way valve and the load (spining copper disk) is a converter to work and again heat to be released back into the environment.
 
 Again I should show the visual reference to this to make it easier to understand:
 
 My understanding of this process is by far not complete and this is what I got so far. I do not know everything despite how I may make it appear. Tk's methods are very close to this I am betting and should be looked at in this light.

 In the picture below there is but one plate to the capacitor (round globe) The other plate is the earth. Now the Earth has another plate as well and that is the interior plate. Between the earths plates is a massive well of heat and is what I suspect is the anchor(constant). The free radiant energy is in the air all around us and is what it tapped to get work from. The radiant energy is in the form of heat which is radiated from the earths outter plate from the internal capacity. Hence the word to describe this energy is "Radiant energy".
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Доброе время суток!
Вот что я нашел на просторах интернета, на мой взгляд заслуживающее внимания:
Генератор Капанадзе 2012
и доброе утро, ну да это один из секретов или принцип работу установки так сказать (имею виду "Второй закон термодинамики и без топливный генератор Тесла") а еще будет и другой секрет, вариант где установка работает и без заземления (Mustafa007 работал над этом) но она более сложна а еще кроме того и в обе будет резонанс
source: http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/108060-generatory-kapanadze-obshhaya-tema.html?limit=18&start=36#108803
and this: http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/105968-odnoprovodnayarezonansnaya-sistema-peredachi-elektroenergii-kak-klyuch-k-genu-kapy.html?limit=18&start=18#108328

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« Reply #15808 on: January 31, 2013, 05:38:03 PM »
When Tesla says he gets HORSEPOWER from this, That would have to be Current, Right?  I mean without current you don't have much use with a large Electric Motor.  You need Current for the Horsepower to move the motor.  Those big motors back then probably used a lot of current... ??

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« Reply #15809 on: January 31, 2013, 06:07:01 PM »
 
 
 Lets wait before jumping the gun ok that guys.
 
 Here is a model of all earth layers Picture 1.
 
 Now Tesla made extensive tests to figure out the capacitance of the earth, Why?
 
 Well if one knew the capacitance of the earth given the dielectric strength of the air one could figure out what one needed to make a plate that would be harmonic of that inner capacitance. Ie be resonant with the inner capacitance. Then one could design a perfect system to be resonant and draw out the radiant energy of the heat that his device was bathed in.
 It isn't all voltage and even if it was one could just step it down and get all the current one needed through that process.
 
 We know now the value of the external sphere in the earth system in voltage is 300,000 volts at it's peak. and can be concluded that is the value of one plate of this 3 plate capacitor. Tesla also noted the gradient of voltage from earths outter shell to the earths atmopheric shell. One plate is the earth itself, the other plate is our artificial plate (coppper plate) and the last plate is the outter plate of the whole system. Hmm this is starting to look like a vacuum tube.. Weird....

 

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