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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15435 on: December 22, 2012, 11:07:19 AM »
@verpies, for me the most suspicious time is when the man in suit puts clamp meter around cable in bearded mans hand,the man does not budge from spot but quickly puts right hand over his left wrist and holds it there. Why?
I don't know. 
That's psychology.  I'm not good at it, at all.

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« Reply #15436 on: December 22, 2012, 01:08:04 PM »
@verpies

No I am not laughing. I am just stunned, mad, disappointed, but not disillusioned and in one way happy today that it is all out and now I can just go back to my own works knowing that TK is just a showman and that since day one on this thread, while we were searching for the real OU effect, TK was just pretending. So we all have to do better then TK.

I don't think replicating how he faked it is a constructive use of time. This basically confirms the fact that anyone showing a device that they keep secret is simply a fraud. Can't be more simpler then that.

@Happy

Today the 21st of December, 2012 is supposed to be the end of the world or the start of a new beginning. It is just fitting that TK be revealed today as a fraud. Sorry guys but that is the reality and again it is only up to us to do better. Not better fakes, but real OU devices.

I already know which way to start so I can now get back to my bench. I will start a new thread that has nothing to do with the TK or SM devices. It will be a thread for true R&D, one step at a time to build up to an eventual OU device. I just know now where we are going wrong and what is required to attract more ether energy then the energy expended to attract it. I had mentioned about the real nature of coils in the Energy Amplification thread. I put that all aside since the TK thread was moving along but always in dead ends, I realized that the TK device was a fake so I had to find out how because nothing in the function of the TK devices were consistent with what I knew about coils and there was nothing in what TK was saying that could convince me that he knew. He was just bluffing, enjoying the attention and just riding the wave of popularity and the new requests this produced for more money-making demos.

Since achieving OU is equivalent to producing a new method of energy accumulation, it is only logical to consider that this will require that OUers change their present perspective on what energy, ether, electricity, coil function, coupling and overunity really is. Technically, there is no such a thing as overunity. You take energy from a waterfall with a turbine or energy from the sun with solar collectors or energy from the ether with an "ether trap" once we know how it works.

@Zeitmaschine

Yes that is exactly what I had thought was used for so long and then dismissed anything from being curious but there in lies the precise illusion. If you look at my second to last image on previous page there is the greatest clue. If the washer and crimp was one piece, then the wire should be perpendicular to the center of the washer. But it is not. Look carefully and you will see the washer is above the wire that is going down the hole. These guys have played us royally since day one.

When @stivep went there or when the @a.king21 guy went there, you can hear in the Aq2 video and @stiveps video, both guys are way to nice, way to understanding and not pushy enough to do such an on-the-spot examination in the limited time frame they gave them. But still if some more effort was done on demanding certain things, we would have quickly realized they are playing a game.

Anyways, if you knew how sorry I am to be the harbinger of such bad news, but I am always open to both what the good or the bad will bring as long as it has a truth label tagged to it. But I really did not expect this to be as it is. We have all postulated so many operational theories that showed the best level of intellectual exercises you can get. The problem is we have 100 times more OU in our minds then any of the TK gang. So what this all proves is in the grand scheme of things, we are the OU finders and will make the difference for this world of ours and not those secret holding shmucks.

So now we have to grow up and become independent minded OUers. It only means now we have to leave our mothers or any secret holders petticoat and become mature OUers that only require their own intellect and bench works to advance towards OU.

I think I now know how to get OU or at least why we have not gotten it yet and I will open a new thread soon to start working really towards that, and, I can tell you guys right now, I will never look at another secret holders device again. When such assholes pop up on the forums, we should just tell them to go to hell. They either disclose or they depart. Soon these guys will realize the only way they will get our FREE attention, assistance, expertise, critique, help, etc., is to disclose their device open source. Otherwise let them peddle their crap elsewhere because a secret holder can only tell lies and do tricks.

wattsup

PS: Back to the bench for me.

Hi wattsup, Your a shining light in the free energy movement, my hats off to you. Your critical thinking, keen eye and logical analysis is impressive. You picked the tell tale signs
of the way it was done. But from an initial point of taking him for his word, this takes integrity and humility to turn around like that. I haven't checked out all the evidence but
I think i can trust you, what I did look at is convincing enough for me since I never believed him. To me he always looked like he was a liar but using bluff and bluster, I knew there was something suspect about all the video's, which to me meant that to show for sure one was fake means all were faked. Why fake if he can actually do it ? Lot's of things don't make sense with the whole debacle. I agree there should be a civil suit made against him for fraud. He was probably stealing power as well, which would explain the destroying of the devices.  I think there were several "tells" in the garden video that showed the camera man was not "on board" as pointed out by Hoppy.

In the factory video with the Motor setup I could see the investors or the demo payers get pretty agitated at one point.

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.

I think in all cases it is just a matter of trickery to measure the output but not the input because it is hidden.

It's drawing a long bow but I think all the people perpetuating this apparent fraud (promoting it) are the real problem. If everyone just paid very little attention unless proper proof is provided these false guru's would have NO reason to continue. Supply and demand, if there is a demand for apparent OU with no real proof then there will always be somebody to supply it.

Everybody has the same potential. Tariel has proved beyond doubt he has nothing to share. Obviously he doesn't care if anyone other than the people paying him believe him
or even if the people paying him believe him as long as he gets his money.

Tariel is not the only fraudster with a big following, there are many. It's time to reject them unless they have something of substance to show. If they have OU they should show it properly and how do it, or expect not to be believed. What other option do they then have ? They get no promotion from us and they cannot get a patent for a fake so they're
put where they belong. 21/Dec/2012 could be the beginning of a new free energy movement which totally rejects false claims, assumed claims on poor measurements ect.
We need to raise our standards with regard to the response to claims, the difficult questions need to be asked and the answers required. Otherwise why participate in open source work. People who claim to know how to extract extra energy, like TITO should be asked some good questions and if answers are not given he ought to be ignored as a game player.

Good work Wattsup. I'd be happy to contribute to any thread or project you work on if I think I can help.

Cheers

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15437 on: December 22, 2012, 01:16:57 PM »
an so the next page of this thread used for useless discussion.... :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15438 on: December 22, 2012, 02:45:13 PM »
Its not a case of proving anything. Its simply a case of each individual reaching his/her own conclusion.
But it sounds rather like »case closed, forget it«.

It is true that the evidence uncovered by Wattsup would not hold up in a criminal court (beyond reasonable doubt) ...but it would hold up in a civil court, which has lower standard of proof (preponderance of proof or balance of possibilities).
I don't think so because ...

I think that the strongest piece of evidence, that Wattsup has uncovered so far, is the synchronization of the light (load) with the movement of the bearded man's hand holding the cable.  The probability of these two events being coincident by chance, is very low.
... the so called evidence is not consistent. If the bearded man has a wire running through his sleeve that makes contact between a hidden wire on the ground and his shoe, then why should he also need a remote control in one of his hands? This does not make sense and it shows that this is all pure speculation.

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.
I can see nothing than a single braid on any of the AQII images. It seems to me to be impossible to hide an additional »hot« wire within this braid without anyone noticing it on site. But the question »fake or not fake« stands or falls with the presence of a hidden wire.

Hence I think in a courtroom the testimonies of witnesses present at the event would be considered more credible than testimonies of witnesses which are just based on a few blurry images and videos. But none of the »live« witnesses came up with an accusation against TK so far.

BTW: If TK would have the capability of transferring 100KW of electric power without any visible wires than this would be a fantastic invention by itself. So why does he not make money with it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15439 on: December 22, 2012, 02:46:52 PM »

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.

Cheers

It would indeed appear that A.King and his team were totally taken in by TK and his team. To me, this is the most surprising aspect of the Aqua2 video and my thought having studied the video in depth was whether the investigating team were in on the act!

Its all too easy to get sucked-in by OU claims made on video and in the absence of proper documentation giving full build and measurement data, we really need to simply dismiss these claims out of hand as has been suggested by Wottsup, so as not to waste time and money on replication attempts.

IMO TK is now left with a pile of junk and a shot reputation and hopefully he will not re-surface with another colourful magic box.

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« Reply #15440 on: December 22, 2012, 02:55:53 PM »
But it sounds rather like »case closed, forget it«.

I can see nothing than a single braid on any of the AQII images. It seems to me to be impossible to hide an additional »hot« wire within this braid without anyone noticing it on site. But the question »fake or not fake« stands or falls with the presence of a hidden wire.



That's because we cannot see inside the braid! A conductor suitable for carrying HV would have been thin enough as not to notice in terms of braid thickness. Also a flat ribbon cable could have been used to gain additional conductors.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15441 on: December 22, 2012, 03:50:01 PM »
That's because we cannot see inside the braid!
This presumes that the braid has an inside at all. But when one has this braid in his fingers (one of the investigation team perhaps) and sees it is absolutely flat with no inside, then what's the point in looking again and again at this braid?

And still no one any idea where the wire of the 100KW device could be hidden? ::)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15442 on: December 22, 2012, 04:12:09 PM »
@Zeitmaschine

You are right. Like filling a barrel with water, the barrel should not have any holes. Filling the barrel with truth requires that any loose hole be plugged as well. So let's plug some more holes, but just know I will not sand the barrel down completely and I will not do a whole new paint job as well. It's just a waste of time.

But let's plug a few holes.

Aq2 Shield wire.

Have you ever taken a good length of shielding wire like in the Aq2?

First of all such shielding wire comes in levels of shielding as a percentage. You have from 60% to 95% coverage and from the videos I'd say TKs braid is a nice 95% shielding that is available by opening up a good quality coax that you first cut off the outer insulator then just slide off the shield wire.

But once you have the shield wire length in your hand you quickly realize certain attributes of this shield wire once it is free to move about without being enclosed in a set structure like a coax cable. I still have 1000 feet of triax cable to vouch for that. hehehe

So anyways to make a long story short, let's see what the Aq2 video does show about the shield wire.

The first thing I noticed is at the cement bolt, you can see how the shield wire is in two loops. That is practically impossible to do with the shield wire because at 95% the wire works almost like a spring.

See the image of the two shield wires and how the one with the hidden wire inside holds its shape.

But the smoking gun I referred to in my previous posts but yes, I did not elaborate. Here is close up you can actually see the hidden wire leaving the grey to copper shield connection point and going to the HV wire. It cannot be any more clear then that.

Energy can be transported in so many ways it is not funny. Guys figure we will just sit around and accept the fact that there is no way the energy required to heat up the element can pass through a shield wire or even a thin hidden wire inside the shield wire. But if your transported energy is designed especially to move along a thin wire, then the world is yours to play with any way you want.

I have to say @Zeitmaschine that your questions are always welcome because I know they are well thought out and based on a sincere concern to clear any ambiguities for the benefit of all, which I realize there will always do exist some questions due to the simple fact that no hard evidence will ever be available, but at some point you have to come to your own conclusion based on what you know and what you see or observe.

I cannot do that much more from these videos.

You can ask about the 100kw device and I could give you 1000 ways they did it, but regardless, at this point from what we now of the past devices, this can only reflect on the 100kw device as well.

Just consider this, at 54 years old I calculate I have another 10 great years (hope more then that of course) of experimenting in me to get OU. I have to decide on the best orientation to spend that time that is not coming back for anyone. So what I want to know is not really how it worked, but first to know is it real or is it fake. Because if I think it is real and 5 years from now it winds up really being fake because of a voluntary TK deathbed exaltation for mercy, that would be a tragic waste to the extreme.

I, like all have done all the levels of believing in TK, not only talking but experimenting but always while still looking and looking and looking closer and closer and when the images did not jump out, then I'd look again at each of the guys mannerisms and it is only then after so long, while I myself am still doing and spending good bucks on experimenting the TK thing that actually cost me the loss of some damn nice pieces of equipment and components, finally, I find the answer to..... is it real or is it fake. The answer is..........it's fake. TK is what we can eventually call a Notorious OU Copperfield (NOUC) (Such an appropriate name - copper field). Notorious because of all the waste he has caused. Copperfield because you know there is a trick but, are you smart enough to find what the trick is. But ultimately, you at least know in advance that the effect is an illusion and definitely not real.

I sincerely hope that TK gets booked in the best TV shows and makes a load of money, millions and millions of dollars doing his NOUC Shows, because then I would have a good reason to sue him for some damages. hehehe
But right now, you are looking at a loss guys. Walk away proud. But what a piss off still. But let's consider that despite the fact that TK is tricking us, we still wind up learning with the experiments and with all that learning, it is up to us to do better.

It all boils down to this. The copper field is open and concepts are now free again to explore the universe of OU.

@Farmhand

Thanks for that. I really appreciate that because right now I really feel like a piece of shit.

wattsup


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« Reply #15443 on: December 22, 2012, 05:50:49 PM »
You can ask about the 100kw device and I could give you 1000 ways they did it, but regardless, at this point from what we now of the past devices, this can only reflect on the 100kw device as well.
Essentially this sentence means that it is fake because it has to be fake. This is not quite much of a proof.

@Zeitmaschine

You are right. Like filling a barrel with water, the barrel should not have any holes. Filling the barrel with truth requires that any loose hole be plugged as well. So let's plug some more holes, but just know I will not sand the barrel down completely and I will not do a whole new paint job as well. It's just a waste of time.
So the questions are: Is the Kapanadze OU a fake? Is the Stepanov OU a fake? Is the Steven Mark OU a fake? Is the Tesla OU a fake? Are all further OU patents fake?

If the answer to all these questions is Yes, then we should immediately throw away all our OU equipment, because then there is no OU, there was no OU and there will never be any OU. :(

But if the answer to only one of these questions is No, then it would be interesting to find out how this particular OU works, wouldn't it?

an so the next page of this thread used for useless discussion.... :(
So it seems. ::)

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« Reply #15444 on: December 22, 2012, 06:16:32 PM »
Essentially this sentence means that it is fake because it has to be fake. This is quite not much of a proof.

No, it does not have to be, it simply is. Proving it to you will require so much effort because they have left so many open windws of opportunity to fake that video.

Examples.........

1) Did anyone there lift up the motor off the ground.
2) Did anyone lift up the heating element assemblies off the ground.
3) Did anyone lift anything off the ground.
4) Why are all the energy consuming assemblies positioned the way they are so far apart as if strategically placed to match any underground power wire availabilities.

Like I said I can go on and on till #1000. But the point is it does not make a difference. I know for a fact now that given the time and the effort and the observational ability, I can find all the ways TK will fake a device because his solutions are as rudimentary as any level 1 electrician. There is no rocket science in the TK devices because they do not have that ability to really work towards producing a real OU device. They do have the uncanny ability to produce a real nice show as entertainment but the tragedy here is they are purporting it is real.


So the questions are: Is the Kapanadze OU a fake? Is the Stepanov OU a fake? Is the Steven Mark OU a fake? Is the Tesla OU a fake? Are all further OU patents fake?

Why are you mixing things up. If you saw a very ugly woman, will you say they are all ugly (hope not). Why put them all in the same boat. Especially why are you putting Tesla in this group. He has nothing to do with TK or SM or anyone else and putting his name next to these guy is an insult to Tesla. I can tell you TK is fake. I can tell you SM is fake (Mr. Batteryman) as well. I don't know about Stepanov. And, I can surely tell you Tesla is real and should not even be in this line-up.

If the answer to all these questions is Yes, then we should immediately throw away all our OU equipment, because then there is no OU, there was no OU and there will never be any OU. :(

Yes for TK and SM and No you should not throw away all your OU equipment (unless you want to give it to me - hehehe). Keep the perspective. We are only really talking about TK and TK being real or not real should have absolutely no effect on OU being real or not. We are not debating here the existence or not of OU, but specifically the ability of TK to build OU devices.

But if the answer to only one of these questions is No, then it would be interesting to find out how this particular OU works, wouldn't it?
So it seems. ::)

Yes of course but you are again putting everything in the same basket. We are finding out how OU works everyday, by finding out how it does not work. Every experiment that goes bad, is a good experiment that takes you closer to the goal. But when you are then following a road that only leads to an endless cliff, you either learn to fly on your own brainpower or you head back and take a new road. The only road that is clear of secrets and traps and waste of time are the ones that taken by true OUers and not by Secret Holders. This is the biggest fact that we have to learn on this forum and all other forums.

wattsup


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« Reply #15445 on: December 22, 2012, 07:10:08 PM »
And, I can surely tell you Tesla is real and should not even be in this line-up.
But Tesla has kept his secret as well and died with it. So why is Tesla more real than anyone else in this OU line-up? Because Tesla had no video on YouTube which could look like a fake?

There is no rocket science in the TK devices because they do not have that ability to really work towards producing a real OU device.
Strange, if Tesla could do OU with 19-century equipment (without rocket science), then why should just TK not have the ability to do it?

This whole line of fake argumentation does not make any sense to me.

So does UO need high-tech equipment like microprocessors or superconductors? Then I'm out anyway. But if OU works with simple parts like coils and capacitors, then why is it so sure that Kapanadze is a fake?

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« Reply #15446 on: December 22, 2012, 07:34:31 PM »
You guys are ripping up this forum.  Please just take your journey onto a new thread.  It's no problem, you can do all your stuff and let everyone eat up the BS.  I have lost all hope for mankind.  The fact that you can't debunk what I have stated, means you are below the rest of us and that your minds are small and your world is small.  I'm  not bashing anyone, but the fact is you haven't got what it takes. Now that's not your fault.  We are brought up to be left brainers and taught only to be repeaters.  Which means the teacher tells you something and if you can repeat it back, then you pass.  Right brain oriented people can think constructively and are the creators and revolutionary's in this world.  Why has the last 6 pages or so, had people who never poke their heads into our forum unless it to put the subject off topic or agree with someone else who is actually themselves with another user name...Small tricks for small minds.. So all those people that claim free energy are all crooks and liars.  If your going to go that far to make a few bucks, It would be a lot better and more respectful if they just sold drugs.  Zeitmachine posted some real good info yesterday about paramagnetic Resonance.  It just flew away in the wind, blown by many times by small minded people with big ego's.. RED's device is very interesting and has been replicated, so why haven't you. 

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« Reply #15447 on: December 22, 2012, 08:32:36 PM »
Almost forgot:

I can tell you SM is fake (Mr. Batteryman) as well.
What battery?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15448 on: December 22, 2012, 09:26:22 PM »
But Tesla has kept his secret as well and died with it. So why is Tesla more real than anyone else in this OU line-up? Because Tesla had no video on YouTube which could look like a fake?
Strange, if Tesla could do OU with 19-century equipment (without rocket science), then why should just TK not have the ability to do it?


Its just an assumption by some people that Tesla achieved OU. Where did he specifically state this?

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« Reply #15449 on: December 22, 2012, 09:43:58 PM »
You guys are ripping up this forum.  Please just take your journey onto a new thread.  It's no problem, you can do all your stuff and let everyone eat up the BS.  I have lost all hope for mankind.  The fact that you can't debunk what I have stated, means you are below the rest of us and that your minds are small and your world is small.  I'm  not bashing anyone, but the fact is you haven't got what it takes. Now that's not your fault.  We are brought up to be left brainers and taught only to be repeaters.  Which means the teacher tells you something and if you can repeat it back, then you pass.  Right brain oriented people can think constructively and are the creators and revolutionary's in this world.  Why has the last 6 pages or so, had people who never poke their heads into our forum unless it to put the subject off topic or agree with someone else who is actually themselves with another user name...Small tricks for small minds.. So all those people that claim free energy are all crooks and liars.  If your going to go that far to make a few bucks, It would be a lot better and more respectful if they just sold drugs.  Zeitmachine posted some real good info yesterday about paramagnetic Resonance.  It just flew away in the wind, blown by many times by small minded people with big ego's.. RED's device is very interesting and has been replicated, so why haven't you.

With respect, I don't think you understand that this thread is not just devoted to those that believe that TK's demos were genuine examples of free energy generation / OU. This thread is intended to examine the video's and whatever other material is available, so that individuals can formulate opinions and hopefully reach conclusions. It just so happens that a few of us have reached a conclusion on a couple of video demos and its your right to disagree but not be so arrogant as to suggest that we should go elsewhere! And as for 'small tricks for small minds', I get the distinct impression that you are trying to encourage flame wars which will simply not help your cause whatsoever!!

 

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