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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13254680 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15360 on: December 16, 2012, 08:34:28 PM »
Electrons avalanche is a misleading path. Free energy is in resonance, if you don't forget we are not living in vacuum.

Tesla words about electron avalanche effect :
"This device is now known in the art as the "quenched spark gap." Professor Wein has formulated a beautiful theory about it, which I understand has netted him the Nobel prize.  Wein's theories are admirable.  The only trouble is that he has overlooked one very important fact.  It is this: If the apparatus is properly designed and operated, there is no use for the quenched gap, for the oscillations are continuous anyway.  The radio men who came after me had the problem before them of making a bell sound, and they immersed it in mercury.  Now, you know mercury is heavy.  When they struck their bell, the mercury did not permit it to vibrate long because it took away all the energy.  I put my bell in a vacuum and make it vibrate for hours.  I have designed circuits in connection with an enterprise in 1898 for transmission of energy which, once started, would vibrate three years, and even after that the oscillations could still be detected.  Professor Wein's theory is very beautiful, but it really has no practical meaning.  It will become useless as soon as the inefficient apparatus of the day, with antennae that radiate energy rapidly, [are] replaced by a scientifically designed oscillator which does not give out energy except when it gets up to a tremendous electromagnetic momentum."

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15361 on: December 17, 2012, 04:31:45 AM »
@forest
What Tesla was talking about was spark gap as a switch, he was not satisfied because it was too slow for his high frequency eqperiments and that is why he came to idea of magnetic quenching and other things.
OU in resonance- even with resonance you must pump the system.And  in some cases you could get OU if that resonant system is "open" and interacting with surrounding ambient.Energy must enter system from somewhere.
In spark discharge- there is that "surrounding ambient" interaction, that is why we end up with much much more electrons, that we start with.We do liberate relativistic electrons during that event.
@yfree
I will come back to you later with some interesting publications, but I need to find a time to dig them up from my hard drive.
It could be easy to check this out doing simple experiment. 1- discharge small HV capacitor directly to coil or other load
2- discharge the same capacitor through a spark gap and then compare currents, voltages, B-fields.
Anyway, I don't know if it is wrong path, but I do rate it as very interesting and worth to check.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15362 on: December 17, 2012, 07:36:08 AM »
@forest
What Tesla was talking about was spark gap as a switch, he was not satisfied because it was too slow for his high frequency eqperiments and that is why he came to idea of magnetic quenching and other things.
OU in resonance- even with resonance you must pump the system.And  in some cases you could get OU if that resonant system is "open" and interacting with surrounding ambient.Energy must enter system from somewhere.
In spark discharge- there is that "surrounding ambient" interaction, that is why we end up with much much more electrons, that we start with.We do liberate relativistic electrons during that event.
@yfree
I will come back to you later with some interesting publications, but I need to find a time to dig them up from my hard drive.
It could be easy to check this out doing simple experiment. 1- discharge small HV capacitor directly to coil or other load
2- discharge the same capacitor through a spark gap and then compare currents, voltages, B-fields.
Anyway, I don't know if it is wrong path, but I do rate it as very interesting and worth to check.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15362 on: December 17, 2012, 07:36:08 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15364 on: December 17, 2012, 08:50:36 AM »
for whom English is not someone can transcribe minutes from 15:00 to 16:30 min? THX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15365 on: December 17, 2012, 09:21:59 AM »

Posmiejmy sie razem  :D

Czemu nie  ;)

 ::) ;D :D :) :P ??? :o ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15366 on: December 17, 2012, 11:52:08 AM »
In spark discharge- there is that "surrounding ambient" interaction, that is why we end up with much much more electrons, that we start with.
I agree.
Electron Avalanche is a real effect but the kinetic energy gained by the accelerated electrons is taken from the source of the HV electric potential connected across the cathode and anode of the spark-gap (e.g. HV capacitor).

@yfree, @Grizli, @MileHigh, @TinselKoala, @Pirate...
What if the accelerated electrons in a spark-gap are deflected by a localized magnetic field near the anode and thus are prevented from ever reaching the anode?  Will the work done by the source of the HV electric potential be reduced ?


We do liberate relativistic electrons during that event.
I disagree. 
For example: In air, any electrons above 14.5eV are capable of ionizing nitrogen and oxygen (the major constituents of air) and causing secondary electron emissions able to sustain the Electron Avalanche
However 14.5eV electrons are not fast electrons. They move at 0.7532% of the speed of light.  Hardly a "relativistic" speed.

All electrons that have kinetic energy below 13eV and collide with nitrogren or oxygen in a spark-gap are absorbed by these atoms and do not cause the release of secondary electrons. Only photons at most.

Any electric potential higher than 15V (measured between the interatomic collision distance) will create faster electrons but will also create an intense Electron Avalanche resulting in an arc discharge that will short out the HV power supply, limiting the potential appearing at the electrodes of the spark gap. 
In order to accelerate the electrons to 50% of the speed of light the HV power supply would need to maintain a potential difference of over 79kV between the atoms (over 10 MegaVolts between electrodes of realistic spark gaps!).

So give it a rest. 
Practical atmospheric spark gaps do not produce "relativistic" electrons.
But most importantly, the combined energy of secondary electron emissions is not larger than the energy of the impacting primary electrons ionizing the atoms in the first place (assuming that the atoms were not preionized a priori, as in a thundercloud).

For any energy gain, the energy of the secondary emissions would have to be greater than the energy of the primary incoming electron.

The only way this can happen is if the atom releases some of its internal energy (ionic or nuclear) in response to the incoming primary electron that triggers this release.

Releasing a priori ionization atomic energy can and does happen all the time, but ionizing atoms a priori costs energy, so it is not free.

Releasing nuclear energy by incoming electrons requires very high energy electrons in the MeV range. These electrons are "relativistic" this time.  Such electrons cannot be produced by kitchen table spark-gaps - only by beta decay of some isotopes or by particle accelerators.

Initiation of nuclear reactions by energetic electrons is possible and is illustrated by the Betatron (an electron accelerator) used as an initiator for some nuclear weapons.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2012, 05:23:15 PM by verpies »

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« Reply #15367 on: December 17, 2012, 12:10:23 PM »
Posmiejmy sie razem  :D
Ale z czego?

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« Reply #15368 on: December 17, 2012, 01:10:00 PM »
Ale z czego?
Ask forest, he send smiles to me. Anyway, by "relativistic" I mean " not bound in metallic lattice", free electron.Of course it has lower speed than c. I would like to do some experimenting, but the only thing I lack is a time.Here are some interesting papers.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #15369 on: December 17, 2012, 01:10:57 PM »
Another one.

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« Reply #15370 on: December 17, 2012, 02:07:32 PM »

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« Reply #15371 on: December 17, 2012, 04:48:33 PM »

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« Reply #15372 on: December 17, 2012, 10:40:11 PM »
As they say.. Better early than never..

Merry Christmas to all stay safe and Healthy.

Wszystkiego najlepszego z okazji Swiat Bozego Narodzenia. Trzymajcie sie ciepla! :D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15373 on: December 17, 2012, 11:55:12 PM »
Tak moi mili, wszytkiego najlepszego w te święta i oby nowy rok przyniósł nam złotą erę darmowej energii! ;D
Pozdrawiam!


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« Reply #15374 on: December 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM »
 ;) :D

 

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