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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13181619 times)

Offline xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14820 on: November 07, 2012, 01:56:44 PM »

I think, along with the toroid coil he is using the PPM module he is talking about.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXO5k8dmJI&list=UUhgi4ns1UCxX1DI3m390g0A&index=10&feature=plcp

In the comment section of the video
he states that he used a schematic from http://electroschematics.com/220/12v-dc-220v-ac-converter/
You can clearly see that the PPM module has a blue colored circuit board and the one he built himself
is typical solder-board colored.
Even though he also commented :"did you use ppm for your inverter ?. Yes sir, a dual design pulser. Thanks for watching."
So one can choose what he really used. At least what can be seen in the foreground is not that RMCybernetics board and has only one knob for
the frequency, where a PPM would at least require 2.

He talks about the right frequency. Conclusion is that he did not use the 60Hz configuration that the circuit defaults to.
However, how is he powering a table saw with anything other than 60Hz AC? It does not need highly sinusoidal waveforms, you can even get away with
nearly rectangular waveforms probably (like from that electroschematics thing) , but with a higher frequency? I must admit that i never tried though hehe.
At resonance the rectangular waveform would morph to a sinewave anyway, but how he controls that resonant frequency in a driven circuit to be 60Hz is beyond me.
Does this mean that once again the wonder of converting a radio frequency to 60Hz takes place somewhere? And that without big caps?
That is the part that makes me wonder. Lamps will shine with whatever frequency.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14821 on: November 07, 2012, 02:08:02 PM »
And in his white plastics box he is not using a BD699 as he indicates by pointing to the (someones?) schematic. It is a TO-220 transistor, maybe MOSFET with invers-diode.

A quick thought: Could it be that the »key» is to run a transformer not with one primary but with two? Each primary with one half of the full wave only? And it does not matter if the wave is square or sine? ???

At least this would be a good explanation for the 4 Kapanadze/Stepanov diodes.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14822 on: November 07, 2012, 02:43:48 PM »
And in his white plastics box he is not using a BD699 as he indicates by pointing to the (someones?) schematic. It is a TO-220 transistor, maybe MOSFET with invers-diode.

A quick thought: Could it be that the »key» is to run a transformer not with one primary but with two? Each primary with one half of the full wave only? And it does not matter if the wave is square or sine? ???

At least this would be a good explanation for the 4 Kapanadze/Stepanov diodes.

You mean something like this? To block reflection?

Simulated: Simulation (Can't be simmed exactly like intended unfortunately) Another approach would be to have it H-bridged)
One primary circuit must actually be switched/disconnected/diode-reversed completely while the other circuit is conducting.
But that whole thing would probably only work if ideally the primary wire would be a N-P junction all along its length. Otherwise
the currents would just add at a spot regardless of the diodes.

I asked the experimenter about his set-up and he answered:
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Package tape holds them together as well as the windings going around them...windings are hooked up in parallel to one another. Thanks for watching.
Not sure if he means what is inbetween the toroids with that.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 07:53:23 PM by xenomorphlabs »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14823 on: November 07, 2012, 10:59:56 PM »
Huh?
I've looked at the videos, I like the nice inverter packaging... but ... huh?

The schematic diagram linked is an ordinary 4047 multivibrator chip driving a pair of Darlington pairs. If this is done right, the transistors switch at the zero-crossings of the output waveform and hence stay cool. The 4047 allows the user to control the frequency rather than it being self triggering and self-resonating like a Royer oscillator, as used in my wireless power systems and flyback drivers and in inductive heaters ( which I might try building next). Google for "ZVS circuit" and you'll find a lot of information on zero-voltage-switching circuits.

I think it's an either-or: he's using the 4047 based homemade version in his white tube inverter and the commercial unit (very neat) in the other one. But I think his frequency citations aren't right when he talks about the output freqs of that unit.
The transistors in the schematic could be any Darlingtons with the required ratings, or mosfets of low Rdss. The transformers are designed by their designers to work best at a certain input frequency, and the knob on the little multivibrator circuit allows one to find the best input frequency. Coincidence that it happens to be the frequency that the transformers were designed for? They also have large thermal mass and will take quite a while to heat up... the batteries will run down first.
The 4 x 500 W bulb demonstration drew the supply down and did not make anywhere near 2000 Watts of light.

So I have got to ask.... huh? What's the big deal?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14824 on: November 07, 2012, 11:20:37 PM »
Huh?
I've looked at the videos, I like the nice inverter packaging... but ... huh?

The schematic diagram linked is an ordinary 4047 multivibrator chip driving a pair of Darlington pairs. If this is done right, the transistors switch at the zero-crossings of the output waveform and hence stay cool. The 4047 allows the user to control the frequency rather than it being self triggering and self-resonating like a Royer oscillator, as used in my wireless power systems and flyback drivers and in inductive heaters ( which I might try building next). Google for "ZVS circuit" and you'll find a lot of information on zero-voltage-switching circuits.

I think it's an either-or: he's using the 4047 based homemade version in his white tube inverter and the commercial unit (very neat) in the other one. But I think his frequency citations aren't right when he talks about the output freqs of that unit.
The transistors in the schematic could be any Darlingtons with the required ratings, or mosfets of low Rdss. The transformers are designed by their designers to work best at a certain input frequency, and the knob on the little multivibrator circuit allows one to find the best input frequency. Coincidence that it happens to be the frequency that the transformers were designed for? They also have large thermal mass and will take quite a while to heat up... the batteries will run down first.
The 4 x 500 W bulb demonstration drew the supply down and did not make anywhere near 2000 Watts of light.

So I have got to ask.... huh? What's the big deal?

@TinselKoala:

It's good to have scrutiny. Maybe there is more interpreted into this than there really is to it.
The big deal might be seen in him using 2 small batteries that can only be around 7-10 Ah each.

The lamps at full brightness would have rendered the video nearly white, certainly he would get eye problems hehe, totally agreeing on that one. Hard to say how bright they really were. Cameras nowadays adjust pretty well too. His hand seems pretty dark when the lights are on which is a sign of a stronger light than his ceiling light.

Also agreeing on the transistors and they would also need a little longer than 10 seconds heavy load on them to rise in temperature if not switched at zero crossing.
So what are your estimations of power used?
Lamps real power usage 500 Watt all together maybe? At 12 Volt that would be 40 Amps of current. Doable by those small batteries? It was audible that they were drawn down quite a bit.
A 5 minutes full load run test with constant voltage measurement on the batteries would have certainly evidently shown if there is anything unusual about it. It would be great if the experimenter could consider that in a future demo.


@Zeitmaschine: Since Stepanov talks about reactive power, you should look into what a "diode plug" to extract reactive power is.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14825 on: November 07, 2012, 11:35:42 PM »
You mean something like this? To block reflection?
Or like that.

There must be a reason for the count of 4 diodes in Kapanadze and Stepanov setup. But no idea how to connect the diodes and the capacitor(s).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14826 on: November 07, 2012, 11:46:20 PM »
OU had crashed because of this video? ???

The links are in my Reply #14621 on: October 29, 2012, 12:20:23 AM, page 975. So I see my post has been successfully buried (but not with nonsense only) since the last seven days. :( :(
The question is, a key to something real or just to one more fake? The same guy:

12 Volt Homemade Power Inverter

He points to the schematic at http://electroschematics.com/220/12v-dc-220v-ac-converter/ but the video there shows something different (from different guy).

IF 1 × 220kΩ and 1 × 100nF and 2 × 470Ω and 1 × CD4047 and 2 × BD699 and 1 × Transformer 3A gives Free Energy (Over Unity) then something must be wrong with the last 14810 replies in this thread ...  :o

I agree, the guy is excited but he has nothing special. The power saw uses a universal motor and without any load on the saw would use a lot less than the rated full load power. Universal motors can run from AC of any frequency as long as the reactance/ impedance is not too great or they can run from DC, that is a fact, I do it. He shows no voltage or current readings for the output. He is putting together some good inverters but they are cheap to buy anyway. If people are going to see OU in any video where a guy gets excited then this thread will go on for ever. In one of his video's he says he has 5 x 500 Watt halogen bulbs but there is only four I see.  ;D

He buys a new circuit then pulses a coil with no load hehehe no wonder he blows Fets if you don't want a blown mosfet you don't do that.

To all, The emf from a coil is not back emf either, it is regular forward emf as it is in the same direction as the applied emf. Back emf is what opposes the charging of the coil. As soon as the applied emf is halted the back emf stops then when the coil discharges it's energy the emf produced is forward emf which in turn faces more back emf due to the inductance of the current path of the discharge from the coil.

The discharge from a coils magnetic field collapse is not Back emf.

Cheers

 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14827 on: November 08, 2012, 01:34:50 AM »
So I have got to ask.... huh? What's the big deal?
Without a decent power measurement or selfrunner, it's just an ordinary DC-AC inverter.
Unloaded motors are not credible power meters, but light bulbs are (at least at low frequencies) when their luminosity is measured by a monotonic light sensor (a video camera with auto-exposure function is not monotonic, but a photodiode or phototransistor, are)
C'mon! A photodiode and a box cost less than a beer.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14828 on: November 08, 2012, 02:34:09 AM »
@ALL

Regarding that PVC pipe device, with those two mosfets he could be switching both sides of the primary using one npn and one pnp. He also mentioned in that video that his transformers were "custom made", but those look like standard Hammond type toroid transformers like I have. I wonder what the ratios are. Hmmmmmmm.

It's nice to see but I will not spend any time on it since no other info is available. I would rather stay on the 2004 device which I am getting very close. Until I get my DC SSRs and some big zener diodes to experiment in another ways. Now I am using my AC SSRs with variable capability and am putting them in various locations around a base circuit to see the results.

As for my question about the output of 24-26 amps, thanks for your responses but I think it is not the right answers. If the output was high voltage, then he would have shown very low amps and on top of that he would not have put the bulbs in parallel but in series to better match the output. Like I said, something is very wrong with that 24 amps but I can't put my finger on it yet. The bulb load would act like an rms leveling point for the output regardless of high voltage or not and the amps would still be read accurately enough. The nonchalant way they measured the output amps as if it is a normal and accurate thing. Something is not right.

Also I am looking again real close up to TKs 2004 video to try and see if there are any other clues. The biggest quandary is that diode plate. Too bad the video is so crappy. I have a feeling that ultimately that diode plate is being used backwards and is really feeding the heavy side of the main transformer making that one the real primary and where the inverter AC is connected to the main transformer is actually the secondary.

There are not several record breaking technology usages here. In all probability there is only one out of the box effect we have not seen yet and that is the one that is causing a floating AC system to require a neutral ground connection. But so far I have seen no way to do this and any standard floating AC or DC system working at low frequency would have no use for such a neutral ground.

TK says the secret is simple. But is the secret to make the device work or to make his trick work?

If this was a trick, then TK still had to find a simple method to either make the device to produce.......

a) a floating secondary hot line that requires a mains neutral or good Earth ground, or,
b) a floating secondary neutral line that requires a mains hot. Choice B would imply that his ground was hot spiked by a third party during the demo. Not cool but hey.

But, technically, both of these are impossible to do using the standard methods as I have tried them in many ways .

So we keep plugging away at it. hehehe

wattsup

@verpies or anyone

Can you or other please, please provide some ideas on how to use a zener diode for pulsing. The way I understand it in my low EE perspective is zeners are only used to dump any over voltages to ground. Could that be a link between the zener and TKs need for a good ground wire. If a zener is used on an AC line, are there two types available one to discharge the positive peak and another to discharge the negative peak.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14829 on: November 08, 2012, 02:41:50 AM »
@watts: both mosfets can be the same cheap N-channel devices. There is no need to have a P and an N in that multivibrator driven config. driving a center-fed primary. But the specific circuit linked above has Darlingtons; they also could both be identical, not complimentary.

@xenomorph: Sure, 40 amps from those batts is no problem, he's got 2 in parallel and his input wiring to the inverter is plenty heavy. It just won't be happening for very long, that's all. Let's see, if they are 7 A-H and in parallel, that's 14 A-H at 12 volts if fully charged at the outset. So 14 A-H/40 A =  0.35 H..... maybe as much as twenty minutes !! Can that be right?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14830 on: November 08, 2012, 07:18:45 AM »
Khwartz
can you look at your PM ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14831 on: November 08, 2012, 09:57:53 AM »
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If this was a trick, then TK still had to find a simple method to either make the device to produce.......

a) a floating secondary hot line that requires a mains neutral or good Earth ground, or,
b) a floating secondary neutral line that requires a mains hot. Choice B would imply that his ground was hot spiked by a third party during the demo. Not cool but hey.

But, technically, both of these are impossible to do using the standard methods as I have tried them in many ways .

So we keep plugging away at it. hehehe

wattsup


@ wattsup

I have repeatedly asked A.King how he thinks the grid mains is brought into the Aqua2 fish tank. He eventually replied by insisting that TK only needs the grid mains to start his device. From then on it loops back and self-runs. If the braided tube carries no hidden wires and no other wires enter the tank, then logic indicates that the complete power source is contained within the tank (assuming an inductive transfer of power from hidden coils outside the tank are not used). For the electric heater to be consuming around 1KW - 2KW, both a neutral and live conductor would be needed if the power source was external to the tank. If the braided conductor was carrying mains neutral, then there must also be another visibly hidden conductor somewhere bringing in mains live. If you can envisage one power carrying conductor entering the tank by means of the braided wire, why not also another hidden conductor, either inside the braid or entering somewhere else? If the power source is contained completely within the tank, then there is no need for any source of power externally, unless its just to boost the internal supply.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14832 on: November 08, 2012, 01:50:19 PM »
@verpies or anyone
Can you or other please, please provide some ideas on how to use a zener diode for pulsing. The way I understand it in my low EE perspective is zeners are only used to dump any over voltages to ground. Could that be a link between the zener and TKs need for a good ground wire. If a zener is used on an AC line, are there two types available one to discharge the positive peak and another to discharge the negative peak.
Some diodes can generate nanosecond or even picosecond pulses (even in 100kW range), when driven in a very specific manner.   See this.
Old diodes with diffuse PN junction work much better than Zener or Shottky diodes.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14833 on: November 08, 2012, 02:03:31 PM »
If the braided conductor was carrying mains neutral, then there must also be another visibly hidden conductor somewhere bringing in mains live.
No - the braid can carry both ("live" and "neutral"). The braid is composed of many wires (conductors). Those wires can be enameled and isolated from each other. Like this.
The enamel is transparent and hard to notice and it can withstand 3000V on a standard magnet wire.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14834 on: November 08, 2012, 03:17:17 PM »
@ wattsup

I have repeatedly asked A.King how he thinks the grid mains is brought into the Aqua2 fish tank. He eventually replied by insisting that TK only needs the grid mains to start his device. From then on it loops back and self-runs. If the braided tube carries no hidden wires and no other wires enter the tank, then logic indicates that the complete power source is contained within the tank (assuming an inductive transfer of power from hidden coils outside the tank are not used). For the electric heater to be consuming around 1KW - 2KW, both a neutral and live conductor would be needed if the power source was external to the tank. If the braided conductor was carrying mains neutral, then there must also be another visibly hidden conductor somewhere bringing in mains live. If you can envisage one power carrying conductor entering the tank by means of the braided wire, why not also another hidden conductor, either inside the braid or entering somewhere else? If the power source is contained completely within the tank, then there is no need for any source of power externally, unless its just to boost the internal supply.
Hoppy

@Happy

Thanks for your response. You see that logic does not hold up when you put it beside the Green Box device where TK removed the wire to the ground pipe and connected the wire going to the radiator. With the rad the device still started but the output was very low. This confirms he needs a constant neutral or very well grounded source by having tried that myself, I would confirm more the requirement of a real neutral connected to the AC mains and not a grounded rod or object.

Also if you consider the Aq2 device ground was only a damn bolt in a block of cement that would have been a worst ground source then having the buried radiator, that bolt must have a wire connected on the other side under the cement block and going somewhere to a real AC neutral, so this confirm more the choice A above. I am not saying this takes away from the novelty but it puts the effect to be more dependent on an outside influence then they are showing.

We should not confuse using an isolated Earth ground like a grounding rod or radiator with the use of the AC mains neutral. The former will be resistance dependent while the later has no resistance at all or very little and is exactly what TK would require to run that heater.

Just the fact that it still worked with the radiator, even at a lower output power level is extreme because all he has to do is parallel several devices to accumulate more power.

@TK

Thanks for your reply. I get it.

@verpies
No - the braid can carry both ("live" and "neutral"). The braid is composed of many wires (conductors). Those wires can be enameled and isolated from each other. Like this.
The enamel is transparent and hard to notice and it can withstand 3000V on a standard magnet wire.

Yes but in the Green Box video there is only one wire clearly going to the ground pipe. And in the Aq2 there is only one braiding that is bolted to the cement block and no evidence of anything being split into two separate conducting lines. What is disconcerting is that they show the bolt on the cement block and want us to think that braided shield wire stops there.

In that video, when the guy goes to the outside door that is to his left, there is a door in front of him that is closed but we can see a wire on the floor coming from that room and going under the carpet. That is not good to see. They could have passed that wire to the outside underground and to the ground bolt without any problems.

I am amazed that the a.king21 and Wesley group videos were not more complete with more steady camera works, more looking all over the device, more looking at that ground wire and any other peripheral signs including some power measurements, etc. In the a.king21 case, seems to me if you are paying for a demo, you are also paying for the right to make your measurements as you see fit, otherwise you are at the mercy of the ones doing the demo and creating all their distractions. In the case of the previous paragraph of that mystery wire, why did the group not investigate that wire to make sure where it originated and where it is going. You have to look at everything and not be intimidated. Seems to me TK had complete control at all times.

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