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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16501090 times)

yfree

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14460 on: October 14, 2012, 10:36:15 PM »
I found it impossible to take this article seriously for two reasons:
1 Where is the working replica device?

I think, this article describes a replica.
Do not expect a video, it does not change anything. There will always be someone who will call it a fake or "smoke and mirrors".

2 The electromechanical device is smoke and mirrors because we have met the designer
of the mechanical components and they have no idea how it works. I also told TK this and insisted on the AQ2 being built
instead. He didn't contradict me, instead he sheepishly agreed.
There is however the possibility of subliminally giving the secret away - I do not dispute that.
The electromechanical device is not a fake, it reveals the principles.
Do not expect the designer of mechanical parts to understand the working principles.

As usual talk is cheap. Pub talk as far as I am concerned.
So as they say in Dragon's Den, "For that reason -  I'm out".

Talk is cheap, drawings and schematics are not.
Of course, it is your decision, your understanding, your choice.

xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14461 on: October 14, 2012, 10:43:15 PM »
I found it impossible to take this article seriously for two reasons:
1 Where is the working replica device?
2 The electromechanical device is smoke and mirrors because we have met the designer
of the mechanical components and they have no idea how it works. I also told TK this and insisted on the AQ2 being built
instead. He didn't contradict me, instead he sheepishly agreed.
There is however the possibility of subliminally giving the secret away - I do not dispute that.
As usual talk is cheap. Pub talk as far as I am concerned.
So as they say in Dragon's Den, "For that reason -  I'm out".

Agreed.
There is like a dozen documents out there that claim to explain how TK's devices work and all the authors share the same flaw.
Lots of talk, no replications ;)
What i like most is all that NMR talk which requires strong magnetic fields which you don't get from a non inductive tensor coil with a brass core ...

yfree

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14462 on: October 14, 2012, 10:58:32 PM »
Agreed.
There is like a dozen documents out there that claim to explain how TK's devices work and all the authors share the same flaw.
Lots of talk, no replications ;)
What i like most is all that NMR talk which requires strong magnetic fields which you don't get from a non inductive tensor coil with a brass core ...


Yes, there are many articles out there. This one is different though, it does not say the energy comes from nothing.

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14463 on: October 14, 2012, 11:00:16 PM »
I think, this article describes a replica.
Do not expect a video, it does not change anything. There will always be someone who will call it a fake or "smoke and mirrors".

No I would not expect a video, I would expect at least a working device that one can buy (on eBay) so no one can call it a fake any longer.

The question is this: If the article describes a working TK device replica, then what are all the other articles for? Would it not be enough to have ONE working Free Energy device that can produce free electric energy? If I had a working TK device then I'm very sure I would not care about all the other devices anymore.


yfree

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14464 on: October 14, 2012, 11:10:39 PM »
No I would not expect a video, I would expect at least a working device that one can buy (on eBay) so no one can call it a fake any longer.

The question is this: If the article describes a working TK device replica, then what are all the other articles for? Would it not be enough to have ONE working Free Energy device that can produce free electric energy? If I had a working TK device then I'm very sure I would not care about all the other devices anymore.
These articles do not say that this device produces free energy, quite the contrary.
Also, there is no statement that the device can be sold on eBay or even that it is useful for any particular purpose.
These articles describe the working principles and rudimentary implementation of the device, that is all.
Just look at the schematic by wattsup, produced on the basis of the 2004 TK's video, and the schematic in Fig.9 of the article, connect the dots.
Compare with the post by bass #14276 .

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14465 on: October 15, 2012, 12:11:32 AM »
High voltage in oil? ???
All it would do is increase the dielectric breakdown voltage.
Beneficial for capacitance - meaningless for inductance.

verpies

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« Reply #14466 on: October 15, 2012, 12:31:30 AM »
What i like most is all that NMR talk which requires strong magnetic fields which you don't get from a non inductive tensor coil with a brass core ...
NMR does not reqiure a strong magnetic field.
In fact, NMR occurs even in the very low Earth's magnetic field. It even has a name: EFNMR

Why do you keep rejecting NMR as the working principle, mentioned by yfree, is beyond understanding.
Do you prefer the mysterious originless energy from "the ambient" or the aether?
I don't think that the definition of OU requires an originless energy source - all that's needed for OU is that energy Output / Input > 1.

Even the construction of the newest Dally's device is in line with the NMR explanation - this time the ns pulses generate the dense comb of frequencies needed for stimulating NMR. 
NMR is also the underlying principle of the apparently successful Yoke device - as now understood by Arunas/Antanas/Wesley.

The only obvious flaw in McFreey's paper the radial direction of flux density gradient - a small mistake that's easily corrected.

yfree

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« Reply #14467 on: October 15, 2012, 12:46:42 AM »
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The only obvious flaw in McFreey's paper is the radial direction of flux density gradient - a small mistake that's easily corrected.

Why do you consider the radial field gradient a flaw?
It is present in the spool type device. I verified it experimentally.
McFreey does not say it is necessary, only that it may actually help, not disturb.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14468 on: October 15, 2012, 01:11:58 AM »
Why do you consider the radial field gradient a flaw?
It is present in the spool type device. I verified it experimentally.
McFreey does not say it is necessary, only that it may actually help, not disturb.
Oh, the radial flux density gradient exists, all right - it's just in the opposite direction.
I verified it experimentally, too.

The way it is analyzed in the paper is flawed.
I agree that the two parallel disks can be conceptually decomposed into many concentric cylinders.
However I stop agreeing when it is written that a magnetic flux distributed over the crossectional area of a larger cylinder leads to a greater flux density than the same flux distributed over a smaller area. of a smaller cylinder... and that is without considering the effect of the extra reluctance that the flux has to travel to get from the central magnet to the more outer cylinders.


Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14469 on: October 15, 2012, 01:15:51 AM »
These articles do not say that this device produces free energy, quite the contrary.
Also, there is no statement that the device can be sold on eBay or even that it is useful for any particular purpose.
That's exactly the problem here: The TK device produces Free Energy, it could be sold on eBay and it is useful for a particular purpose.

But currently the most »useful« feature of the TK device is to make the number of pages of this thread go higher and higher.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14470 on: October 15, 2012, 01:30:05 AM »
That's exactly the problem here: The TK device produces Free Energy...
Does "Free Energy" has to mean energy from nowhere or energy from "the ambient" or energy from an undetectable aether, or energy from a space time continuum ?

Does Free = Originless?  If we know the origin of this energy, does it cease to be "Free Energy"?
Doesn't a matter-to-energy conversion process, that can approach the 180 Peta Joules/kg energy density of matter, deserve to be called "Free Energy" ?
Do we really have to have ∞ J/kg to call it "Free Energy" ?

But currently the most »useful« feature of the TK device is to make the number of pages of this thread go higher and higher.
;)

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« Reply #14471 on: October 15, 2012, 01:53:36 AM »
 OK Yfree. You sound as if you've done it. Can you prove it?
 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
  Prove it.
If you prove it, we'll all replicate.

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14472 on: October 15, 2012, 02:12:36 AM »
Does "Free Energy" has to mean energy from nowhere or energy from "the ambient" or energy from an undetectable aether, or energy from a space time continuum ?

Apropos »space time continuum«: What about the Casimir effect?

This effect uses »uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, placed a few micrometers apart as in a capacitor«.

Now what if the metallic plates are charged indeed and they are not »as in a capacitor« but in fact in a capacitor? Could it be that a capacitor under certain circumstances collects the energy from virtual particles of the quantum field? Then we would have an explainable source for this kind of Free Energy collectable by ordinary electronic parts.

Edit: It should read »But currently the most successful feature of the TK device is to make the number of pages of this thread go higher and higher.« ::)

a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14473 on: October 15, 2012, 02:52:38 AM »
Zero point energy. Where the energy comes from. I have known the answer for a long time.
It actually comes from the time field. It's not the Casimir effect.We do not want to get into high physics here. We need the maverick approach.
That's why I keep talking about Tesla's earthquake machine. I know exactly where the energy comes from. But you need to be acquainted with Einstein's relativity to understand it. And that's the point where Newton ends and higher physics begin.
So it's better just to figure out how to electrically replicate the effect. We don't need high equations. Just experiments.
I've talked with TK many times. He doesn't understand high physics. But I also know that he is a genius. He is your architypical experimenter. He'll try anything within reason.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14474 on: October 15, 2012, 02:57:49 AM »
Apropos »space time continuum«: What about the Casimir effect?

This effect uses »uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, placed a few micrometers apart as in a capacitor«.

Now what if the metallic plates are charged indeed and they are not »as in a capacitor« but in fact in a capacitor? Could it be that a capacitor under certain circumstances collects the energy from virtual particles of the quantum field? Then we would have an explainable source for this kind of Free Energy collectable by ordinary electronic parts.

Edit: It should read »But currently the most successful feature of the TK device is to make the number of pages of this thread go higher and higher.« ::)


 Yes but we need an automatic no bemf plate self polarizing. And that is a Bifilar pancake coil. It will be able to convert both polarities of spin into a unified channel of force. It will be the perfect converter, separator and accelerator of the current all in one unit. Give it stimulation and it will pump as much current as the mass and durability of that mass will let it hold together. This will be the ultimate bifilar cap coil.