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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12591977 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14250 on: October 01, 2012, 03:49:37 PM »
In order to make your simulations realistic, you always need to include a realistic series resistance with any inductor.
I agree

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14251 on: October 01, 2012, 05:38:02 PM »
I took one trafo component, put one cap across coils on top and second on bottom. Then I put two switches and cap. Charged cap with one switch, close/open, then closed the second switch. Now it is banging away and voltages do not seem to stop. I must be doing something wrong, do I need to add resistive components to compensate DC resistance in the trafo ? Simulator wanted to have resistance in the cap battery loop.

It is very easy to create a runaway condition with this particular simulator. This has caused a couple of OU-suspicions on certain circuits which turned out to be false.
Series resistance is advisable as mentioned.

@verpies:
Concerning the 2 primary thing, since this is an unusual application, i am not sure if this can be simulated without tweaking.
You can simulate individual inductors, not sure if you can formulate a mutual K though.
Maybe using two transformers where you would use half the desired inductance on L2 and connect the 2 L2s in series?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14252 on: October 01, 2012, 07:24:19 PM »
Found the oscillator scheme to automatically maintain the resonance frequency.
I think we will move forward...


Can you give me an example of a couple transistors to use in this circuit?




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14252 on: October 01, 2012, 07:24:19 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14253 on: October 01, 2012, 07:40:05 PM »

Can you give me an example of a couple transistors to use in this circuit?

The scheme was not specified. I think that should be selected depending on the frequency, voltage and current.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14254 on: October 01, 2012, 08:10:08 PM »
OK, today I have best 50Hz resonance with 1.5µF (instead of 1.34µF) with the same transformer. Maybe that is because today the moon is in a different conjunction with the sun (or maybe due to the temperature of the transformer, don't know). Thus my transformer's coil today has an induction value of 6.75 Henry.

Connected to grid voltage (50Hz sine wave) the measurements are as follows: On the 230V coil the voltage is 344V and 0.356A (equals 122.46W of power) when in resonance (via 1.5µF), direct connected the voltage is 226V and 0.048A (equals 10.85W of power) without resonance. Hence the factors are 1.52 times higher voltage and 7.42 times higher current and 11.28 times higher power when in resonance. The secondary coils are not in use.

My connected 230V inverter draws 0.5A from a 13.5V DC power supply without resonance and 1.5A with resonance. Without any load the inverter draws 0.2A idle current. This calculates to 0.3A current = 4.05W drawn by the connected transformer without resonance and 1.3A current = 17.55W with resonance. That is a factor of 4.33 higher power consumption when in resonance.

So, what does this all mean? Do I get additional power from thin air due to the resonance? Or is the power consumption of the transformer just higher (due to the higher voltage) and therefore it heats up more quickly? When the power drawn from the DC supply is 6.76W (13.5V × 0.5A) how can it be that the power measured on the transformer is 10.85W without resonance?  When the power drawn from the DC supply is 20.25W (13.5V × 1.5A) how can it be that the power measured on the transformer is 122.46W with resonance? Are there errors in my measurements and/or calculations? Or do I have OU even without resonance? :o ::)

Never mind, now something rather easy: How to get high current? It is as simple as that: All what is needed is a low-ohmic voltage source! Great, isn't it? :)

As a matter of fact, the orange cable in the 2004 setup carries up to 25A at 220V (equals more than 5000W), and these amps are not created in the visible coil (that's impossible) neither they are created in the visible transformer inclusive diode bridge and capacitor, because there are no thick wires suitable for 25 amps of current leading to this parts.

Therefore the orange cable must be connected to something within the tin can that is low-ohmic in order to provide high current. What could that be? A 50Hz transformer that provides 5KW (5000VA) of power? Even when in resonance with something (so it collects the power from thin air), the wire of the secondary coil nevertheless has to forward this power to the heavy orange cable. Now that is how a 5000VA transformer looks like. Even if only the secondary coil is needed I don't think it will fit into TK's tin can. A toroidal transformer rated at 5000VA would be slightly smaller in size but the diameter is still about 12inch (30cm).

Since it makes no sense at all to connect the heavy orange cable within the round box to something that has only a thin wire, there are (IMHO) only two options left, a) there is a high frequency transformer in the round box, thus it can be a lot smaller in size (but still has to have a thick wire, like a coil of an induction cooker), although I have no idea how the transformation from 50Hz input to high frequency back to 50Hz output could ever work in the TK 2004 device, b) the low-ohmic voltage source is some kind of a capacitor. But whatever it is, it has to be something low-tech, that was (and is) available to Kapanadze.

1V on 1Ω = 1A, 1V × 1A = 1W, 220V on 220Ω = 1A, 1A × 220V = 220W, 5000W ÷ 220W = 22.73, 220Ω ÷ 22.73 = 9.68Ω

Thus Kapanadze's five 1KW lamps should have a combined parallel resistance of 9.68Ω, that means the voltage source (in the tin can) should have no higher resistance than that. If the voltage source is a coil then this is not the DC resistance but the apparent resistance (impedance) at 50Hz.

So, what's next? :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14255 on: October 01, 2012, 09:21:20 PM »



 I guess no one knows what this is do they?


http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-512,340-coil-for-electro-magnets


 Read and understand.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14256 on: October 01, 2012, 09:41:48 PM »
I often asking myself a following question, why TK has gone to all of the effort to create a thincan container? The only answer I can come up with is because it must contains fluid inside (transformer oil) and it operates in above room temperature..  For any other setups he could easily use some plastic container or build a wooden box.. and call it good. I don't think he build the thincan because he was concerned with any Rf interference or such and want it contained..

So, what is inside that must be submerged in oil and generate juice?.. The only thing I can think of is some exotic capacitor, transformer, or..?.  I'm just a rookie in this I'm sure scientific minds chime in ;).. Good luck.  8)

@Zeitmaschine

Thanks for detailed info, I'm sure your efforts are appreciated by many here, me included. Keep up the good work.. :D ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14257 on: October 01, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
So, what does this all mean? Do I get additional power from thin air due to the resonance?

To understand what you are doing, you might wanna familiarize yourself with the concept of reactive power or AC power in general.
Every time inductances and capacitance occur together in an electric circuit you will have a reactive component introduced by the phase angle phi.
Inn addition to the real component you have an imaginary component with the real power vector representing the real part and the reactive power vector representing the imaginary part of the complex number of apparent power.
S = P + jQ
Measuring AC power is not straight forward.

This video might help understand : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrDMT6lSeEo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14258 on: October 01, 2012, 11:14:35 PM »
I often asking myself a following question, why TK has gone to all of the effort to create a thincan container? The only answer I can come up with is because it must contains fluid inside (transformer oil) and it operates in above room temperature..  For any other setups he could easily use some plastic container or build a wooden box.. and call it good. I don't think he build the thincan because he was concerned with any Rf interference or such and want it contained..

So, what is inside that must be submerged in oil and generate juice?.. The only thing I can think of is some exotic capacitor, transformer, or..?.  I'm just a rookie in this I'm sure scientific minds chime in ;) .. Good luck.  8)

@Zeitmaschine

Thanks for detailed info, I'm sure your efforts are appreciated by many here, me included. Keep up the good work.. :D ;D


 [size=78%]Let A, Fig. 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which are wound upon and insulated from each other. Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; then considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them a potential difference of one-tenth of a volt. If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased.[/size]

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14259 on: October 01, 2012, 11:26:57 PM »
zeitmaschine, tk is not drawing the big current from the tin can he is doing it from the ground look at the green box video they are measuring the counter current from the ground

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14260 on: October 02, 2012, 12:24:05 AM »
zeitmaschine, tk is not drawing the big current from the tin can he is doing it from the ground look at the green box video they are measuring the counter current from the ground

AC is bidirectional, in green box video it is even being frequency measured.
Even if it hypothetically was DC,  the cause for "drawing the current from the ground" is to be looked for in the green box/tin can (harboring the circuits to do so).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14261 on: October 02, 2012, 12:24:16 AM »

The energy in a linear resonator is accumulated, not generated. In a high Q resonator, the energy can accumulate to the point of resonator destruction. This does not mean that the energy in the resonator exceeded the energy delivered to the resonator.
I challenge both you and verpies to prove your statement mathematically with reference to Tesla's portable earthquake machine. Let's say his "tapping" machine consumed 10 watts. How many watts would it take to shake a building 100 meters high by 100 meters long by 20 meters deep to the point where let's say 20 workmen were panicking, convinced they were in an earthquake?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14262 on: October 02, 2012, 12:33:16 AM »
zeitmaschine, tk is not drawing the big current from the tin can he is doing it from the ground look at the green box video they are measuring the counter current from the ground
The penny just dropped. CLANG!  Kapanadze is shaking the ground! That's the resonated. Only he's doing it electronically.
Here's an experiment I did. Mains live into a 60 watt lightbulb into a 2 meter earth rod. Result? 40 watts consumed ( According to my my wattmeter ) bulb lit to 80 watt brightness. In fact the power was so high that I blew a 25 watt microwave oven light bulb in a previous experiment. (The neutral was not used - lol)
Thanks guys.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14263 on: October 02, 2012, 01:20:27 AM »
Found the oscillator scheme to automatically maintain the resonance frequency.
I think we will move forward...

TK's frequency is fixed at 50Hz. In order to maintain the resonance we have to change the coil or the capacitor or the rotation of the earth or whatsoever but not the frequency. :o

I guess no one knows what this is do they?

The secret of Kapanadze? :-[

I often asking myself a following question, why TK has gone to all of the effort to create a thincan container? The only answer I can come up with is because it must contains fluid inside (transformer oil) and it operates in above room temperature..

I think I have seen an empty bottle on his worktable. But I'm not sure what might have been in there. :(

To understand what you are doing, you might wanna familiarize yourself with the concept of reactive power or AC power in general.

On the other side having no idea about the concept of reactive power or AC power in general might be the only way to discover Free Energy by accident (like Kapanadze did). :)

zeitmaschine, tk is not drawing the big current from the tin can he is doing it from the ground look at the green box video they are measuring the counter current from the ground

Then we can omit the orange cable and the tin can and connect the light bulbs to ground only. 8)

The penny just dropped. CLANG!  Kapanadze is shaking the ground! That's the resonated. Only he's doing it electronically.

We are looking forward to a successful replication of the TK device in the near future. :D

Clever idea anyway: Connect a light bulb with one end to ground and then do something with the other end till it lights up. Of course stay away from mains power grid. ::)

Regards

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