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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12069840 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14205 on: September 29, 2012, 09:44:23 PM »


 Just remember the differences between the backyard example and the house version. The heat sinks were separated so that there was less capacity and coupling between the two transistors which would cause them to overheat in the previous backyard showing from parasitic currents between the two transistors.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14206 on: September 30, 2012, 03:30:13 AM »
resonant frequency is calculated by the formula
fr = 1 / 2*3.14(LC)^0.5

There is a slight problem with that: How to calculate the value of C to resonate at 50Hz when the value of L (the transformer's coil inductance H) is unknown?

Measuring the inductance H of the transformer is not the easiest thing to do. And hitting the right value for C by chance is not very convenient too.

In fact this could be the reason why only few are successful in creating resonant circuits with 50Hz transformers. Because the inductance of a transformer is generally unknown and the value of a capacitor rated at 220V and a couple of µF is not continuously adjustable (like a tuning capacitor in a radio).

So any ideas how to get a 50Hz transformer in resonance with a capacitor straightaway without too much trouble?

They probably blew the 2004 components and replaced them in the Green Box one.

Replaced them with smaller ones? A TO-66 transistor is smaller than a TO-3 transistor.

The diode plate is receiving AC that is rectified to create a DC biasing inside the main transformer that is creating an amplified effect on the AC5 line and this loop is created to draw output. The AC10 line that comes from the tin can to the rectifier is probably in parallel with the load.

OK, and what is in the tin can (apart from a HV generator)? A capacitor? Because the one visible is used for filtering the DC output and without a resonant capacitor there can't be resonance.

OK, enough is enough. I have had it with looking at these vids.

These vids haunt me in my dreams. But gradually I get used to it. ::)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14207 on: September 30, 2012, 06:20:41 AM »
Zeitmaschine
There is a slight problem with that: How to calculate the value of C to resonate at 50Hz when the value of L (the transformer's coil inductance H) is unknown?

In fact, it's not so difficult. Tuning capacitor not needed.
From my experience I will say that to measure the inductance of the transformer does not make sense because when you connect the load to the secondary winding of the transformer primary winding inductance changes.
I picked up the capacitor as follows:
1. took a step down transformer (It only needs to adjust the resonance and that would not have burnt capacitors and measuring instruments)
2. connected down transformer  and transformer according to the diagram below.
3. and selected capacitor so that the UC and UL, are equal.
I think it is necessary to start with a 15 uF capacitor.
If the voltage UC> UL need to take condenser of large capacity. If the voltage UC <UL need to take condenser of lower capacity capacitor.
At resonance in a series LC circuit voltage UC and UL should be equal. These voltages at resonance will be much higher than the supply voltage! That's the secret how to more energy.
There is  such a thing as a quality factor (Q). This is ratio of inductive resistance (considered by the formula 2*pi*f*L) to active resistance at a given frequency. The greater the ratio, the more additional energy (in this case, UL and UC). This was written by Tesla and his patents.
I.e. if you have a LC-meter, you must first measure the winding inductance (by her count the inductive resistance at 50 Hz) and measure the active resistance of the winding. Calculate their ratio. The bigger it is the better.

Select a capacitor with connected load!
When you change the load, changing the inductance.
If you will not get an exact equality UC and UL it is not terrible. You'll see that all the same voltage UL must be higher than the supply voltage.

When you pick up a capacitor on the basis of the measured ratio of the voltage UL and supply voltage you can calculate which voltage to power the resonant circuit that would be necessary voltage at the load.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14207 on: September 30, 2012, 06:20:41 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14208 on: September 30, 2012, 07:07:34 AM »
@all

As @forest recommended I revise the 2004 device diagram with the transistor changes, I then decided to finish the complete system mapping as can been seen to not have to do it later.

Thanks @bass for clarifying the orange wire. I could not see it as entering the Tin Can but it does. Great. So I revised the last diagram and it is below.

wattsup

« Last Edit: September 30, 2012, 03:44:53 PM by wattsup »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14209 on: September 30, 2012, 07:26:25 AM »
wattsup

I think (and not just me) that the orange winding starts at load and go into the Tin Can.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14210 on: September 30, 2012, 01:35:11 PM »
Select a capacitor with connected load!
When you change the load, changing the inductance.

This is exactly that what not should happen according to Kapanadze. His system is auto-resonant. Thus something is wrong here. And where are the two transformers in the tin can video? I can see one transformer, so the second one must be hidden in the tin can, but there is no room for it because half of the room in this can should be taken by a HV generator and a lot of wires.

Therefore the question: How to make a system that keeps resonance independent of the load?

My idea for testing would be: Why run a transformer with 220V from grid or inverter? Wouldn't it be easier to run it with a frequency generator with 12V only so a) low-voltage capacitors are needed for testing instead of 220V ones and b) since the frequency generator is adjustable the frequency can be adjusted (slightly) to get resonance (visible on a connected oscilloscope) instead of adjusting (changing) the capacitor(s)?

And what if a transformer has two secondary coils? Each coil connected to one capacitor would then do what? ::)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14211 on: September 30, 2012, 01:39:28 PM »
Another capacitor? That's awesome! Then obviously all what is needed to get a running electric Free Energy device is a couple of capacitors and a couple of coils/transformers driven by AC voltage. The AC voltage can be ordinary 220V/50Hz as proven by Kapanadze and his blue inverter.

So then, why can't anyone get this to work?? >:( ???

Regards

Maybe people have...................then they just quietly disappear from the forum..............

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14212 on: September 30, 2012, 01:55:05 PM »
Therefore the question: How to make a system that keeps resonance independent of the load?

Good question, since it is ignored in 99% of all cases and everybody kills the resonance with a constant load.
One answer is the use of a diode plug topology to extract the energy suggested by Hector ages ago.
Something similar was described in one of Melnichenko's patents about reception of radio waves, the concept is not new

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14213 on: September 30, 2012, 02:40:49 PM »
This is exactly that what not should happen according to Kapanadze. His system is auto-resonant. Thus something is wrong here. And where are the two transformers in the tin can video? I can see one transformer, so the second one must be hidden in the tin can, but there is no room for it because half of the room in this can should be taken by a HV generator and a lot of wires.

Therefore the question: How to make a system that keeps resonance independent of the load?

My idea for testing would be: Why run a transformer with 220V from grid or inverter? Wouldn't it be easier to run it with a frequency generator with 12V only so a) low-voltage capacitors are needed for testing instead of 220V ones and b) since the frequency generator is adjustable the frequency can be adjusted (slightly) to get resonance (visible on a connected oscilloscope) instead of adjusting (changing) the capacitor(s)?

And what if a transformer has two secondary coils? Each coil connected to one capacitor would then do what? ::)

Сapacitors are connected to the primary coil, not secondary coils.
High voltage winding can be wound on the same transformer in the tin can.
System is not necessarily need auto-resonance. Half of his device shows a constant load.
I remember how nervous Kapanadze when  on the presentation of green box  he was asked to reduce the load. Frequency meter on the presentation showed 50 Hz.


Сount the number of reactive power at the coil series resonant circuit.
For example:
12 volt power supply
Loop current 1 A
Q (very modest) 10
Then the coil of the resonant circuit voltage is 12V * 10 = 120 volts
Consumption from the power supply 12V * 1A = 12 watts
Reactive power in the coil of the resonant circuit 120V * 1A = 120 watts

From measurements of Kapanadze tin can
Input current of the inverter is 0.4A
Load current 24A
Hence Q is 24A / 0,4 A = 60. It is not very much.
I'm trying to tell you how I see the principle of the device, not the final version. :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14213 on: September 30, 2012, 02:40:49 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14214 on: September 30, 2012, 03:24:56 PM »
Resonance: Thinking about resonance, my opinion is that the load is part of the circuit, not independent from it. Kapanadze then got round the problem of varying the load by introducing a spark gap across the load. This  allows for an increase or decrease of the load condition, but still maintains resonance.
I do not think we should focus on this too much, as this is conventional electronics.
What we should focus on is how 220v 50 Hz can produce such a massive spark gap as in both aquarium videos. My conclusion is that he uses two voltages at 50 Hz simultaneously; ie HV and mains voltage. This would mean that the l1 circuit is mains, and the l2 circuit is HV. That to me is the only logical explanation. If anyone has any other explanation that agree with the videos and the patents then I'm all ears.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14215 on: September 30, 2012, 05:57:39 PM »
@all

OK, regarding the spark gap, let's look at it logically.

From my own trials with spark gaps, I have found that voltage is required but for the spark gap to be in series with a load it will have to have great amperage as well. You cannot create both while having your open air spark gap remain almost silent. For the spark gap to be in series or parallel to the load, and for the energy to run both the spark and the load, your spark would be making sounds of hard crackling. There is no other way for you to do that.

I say what we have seen in the 2004 video is enough. Unit worked without spark.

Then go to the Aq2 device, unit works with spark gap of irrelevant frequency completely isolated via a circuit inside the hidden section and way before the output going to load.  So the gap is isolated and is probably there to create confusion and distraction.

The spark in the 2004 video is weak and can be generated using any very small HV coil with 50 Hz pulses or any frequency up to 30kH. Does not matter. The gap itself is so close that anything around 2kv would jump that with no problem and the total energy required would be a few watts. See here for some small HV transformers;
http://www.amazing1.com/transformers.htm

If you need such a weak and narrow spark for pulsing, then why have two heat sinked transistors?

Regarding the Tin Can itself being metal, this presents some isolation challenges. Consider the looping transformer used in the GreenBox video and how they used simple cardboard to keep it isolated fro its metal box. They would have to use the same type of isolation in the Tin Can and possible have components inside the can in two or three layers, bottom, center and top and maybe by mapping the level were the wires enter the tin can we can separate these layers into logical areas of operation via bundling the wires into groups.

Also, we seem to forget that the spark did occur when the inverter was turned on and he plugged the back plug into the wall socket. So some of the AC5 power could have driving a small HV coil right there via two series resistors. If the battery was low enough, those two series resistors could have prevented the spark and this is why he used the back plug to increase input until the device took over itself. No big deal to produce the spark and it is way to weak to have any effect on 1000 watts of output power.

The spark gap was their way of knowing if the unit was ready to start lighting the bulbs. If the spark held when he took off the back plug, then the device was ready. Proof is when the spark was not present, they gambled on turning on the device output and hoped for the best, pretending that the spark was present. So spark or no spark, the device works. They could have used a simple indicator light but what fun is that when a spark gap does the same thing but creates a millions times more mystique and questioning.

Now consider the 5 1/2 turns Fat Coil being in series with such a weak spark will produce nothing and assist in now way to produce the final output since we know that the two TKc winds, orange and white are passing some 1000 watts of output, that fat coil is doing nothing with its 5 1/2 turns but to create mental operational gridlock.

Havoc is not resonance. Resonance is weak, havoc is strong. Now if you had two transistors that were in parallel but had slightly varying lengths of lead wires connecting them to the same primary, what would the effect be? Would you have a "slight" delay in one transistor versus the other when pulsing the primary of a coil. I know that with AC, if you are slightly out of phase this becomes a havoc condition that transformers and motors really do not like.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14216 on: September 30, 2012, 06:15:33 PM »
Сapacitors are connected to the primary coil, not secondary coils.

Can't see any capacitor on Kapanadze's primary coil. It is connected directly to the inverter.

High voltage winding can be wound on the same transformer in the tin can.

But not high voltage with high frequency. The spark looks like a high frequency spark not 50Hz.

Anyway, why is a transformer needed to get resonance? Wouldn't a simple choke be sufficient also?

If anyone has any other explanation that agree with the videos and the patents then I'm all ears.

When the energy producing device consists only of a simple transformer and a capacitor, then how to patent such a thing? But on the other hand when investors demand that a patent is filed then a piece of good advice is needed. Could it be that the piece of good advice was to come up with a patent that is almost complete fabrication, only to have something filed at all?

All what is understandable in the patent (actually two patents) is that there are two coils in the device, once started the device can produce electric energy to run a load and it can feed itself with this energy. All the rest seems to be just gibberish.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14217 on: September 30, 2012, 06:35:51 PM »
I also think that the spark is not needed.
Then it turns out that the entire coil is a fraud. It just rolled coil wire.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14218 on: September 30, 2012, 07:05:30 PM »
If you need such a weak and narrow spark for pulsing, then why have two heat sinked transistors?
To create a simple spark a single transistor would be enough.
The fact that there is two of them points to a symmetry-requiring application, most likely
the generation of a sinusoid waveform for some kind of inverter using Class-B push–pull amplifier transistor set-up.
Due to the relative inefficiency of Class-B you do need heatsinks, because a lot of heat is produced.
At some point TK needs an inverter if he's got AC on the output.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14219 on: September 30, 2012, 07:48:52 PM »
I also think that the spark is not needed.
Then it turns out that the entire coil is a fraud. It just rolled coil wire.

Regards

So maybe the whole setup consist of just a transformer connected to toroidal coil in the can, couple diodes and a capacitor?
In could possible a bifilar coil is placed in the can?
By looking carefully at TK coils one thing stands out, they are wound different from each other..

 

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