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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12579906 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14130 on: September 25, 2012, 05:25:55 PM »
So, when the transmission line (wire) gets connected the first thing to appear is the electrostatic field, then the magnetic, is this Electrostatic one the one that Tesla experienced that would kill when he switched the generators online?

My thinking here is that the absence of the magnetic or reduction of would increase current production initially then reduce when the magnetic field establishes, just my thought on this if we are currently looking at electrical theory wrong.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14131 on: September 25, 2012, 05:37:53 PM »


 That is exactly what I think. It was the establishment of the electric field that Tesla was seeing and how powerful that impulse can be when it is at very low rates of impulses. It is this field Tesla was investigating and how intensity of these impulses have a greater power then the magnetic field. The instantaneous on and off is another effect that Tesla was investigating and hence why he was coming to the conclusion that this field has a higher capacity of speed in it's formation. Ie faster then light. This is never more apparent then watching High voltage corona emissions and intensified electric field emissions that go with the corona (lightning like intensity).


 I have to look for the pictures of the emissions again. I'll edit it once I find them.

 Besides the tuft on the end of the rod you can see the intensifies lines all along the rod.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14132 on: September 25, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »
@Frederic2k1

I dont the get the point why the government keep using oil if they can use free energy as a source of money? For example they build a free energy machine then connect it to the transmition line to power the residential home and charge them?  They can also charge electric car user by establishing a battery charging stations. Government earn money from us and we can have a very cheap electric bill.


the government wouldn't earn money with free energy, the government don't own the electric power company, they only earn from taxes. So with this in mind in the oil there lies the money, because when you drive to the gas station the government will receive taxes from you buying gas for your car.


The government are only greedy criminals when they hide free energy technology from the people.


I don't know where this will end, hopefully not in some very pessimistic peak oil scenario.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14133 on: September 25, 2012, 06:11:13 PM »
I see that on my 24" tesla coil when it is radiating into the air

So we need HV impulses into a transmission line (open or shorted) to generate the standing waves and setup the electrostatic field and need to time the impulses to the resonant frequency or a harmonic of it.

Couldn't we use a transformer (core type uncertain here) to create a bucking config on the primary and a single coil on the secondary, we could then drive the primary with a couple of transistors and reap the im[pulses from the secondary output.

itsu showed this in his video for the dally project, I bring this up since his experiment showed impulses out. I would like to know the voltage and the pulse width nsec

this might explain nicely with what TK was doing with those commercial transformers.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14134 on: September 25, 2012, 06:53:46 PM »



 I guess my point is that if we use the old tesla patent for the electric dynamo machine the way it was meant to be used you could generate very heavy currents in the rotor coil from a very high voltage field coil and get no associated kickback like in regular dynamos of our age. It is a dynamic transformer  that will generate a heavy current for little current input.


 I think TK did this partially with his design but because it is not dynamic or revolving the generation of current is limited whereas Tesla's design was not limited in any way because it was a revolving generator. This changes things if this in fact is true. One of the very experiments that Tesla did was show the effect on metals of all sorts and densities of those metals. Most were explosive if the density of the metal was not sufficient to hold itself together. On the other hand if the metals were stout enough they held together and a huge current could be motivated from the metals. All from this energizing electric field.


 Again let me show the patent and see if you see what I see now knowing what I have shown.


http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Remember the exciter is High voltage and not a low voltage generator. The field coils are wound around a round or oval core and the wires go all the way around the core much like a toroid is wound. The patent shows two views of the rotor core. Don't get confused about that. All of the components can be used all on one shaft and the field coils are supposed to be used in the opposite direction of the rotor spin to increase the efficiency at starting speeds. The prime mover for the generator must be designed  exactly as shown per Tesla's instruction. Any magnetic field created in the rotor core that leak out will go to the field core and coincidentally cut the field windings generating more High voltage.


 I suspect the field coils have a textured electric field due to the copper windings orientation and wind. With the rotor spinning trough this field it super excites the rotor coils into huge currents. This is the motor/generator he designed and had Westinghouse Make for him in 1932.


 He went back to this design after WardenCliff was demolished because no one wanted that wireless system.


 Tk's design also mixed in the wireless receiver portion to stimulate two separate ground connection into a heavy AC current flow.


 As I said before this link shows in figure 12 how that was accomplished: [size=78%]http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm[/size]


 In Tesla's dynamo version you don't need the grounds although virtual grounds would be better because of the mobility of the vehicle. There is missing control circuitry to the patent I believe but it should be crudely workable the way the patent shows.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14135 on: September 26, 2012, 04:30:15 AM »
To whom that needs a wee bit more brainstorming. Since it seems that something located in TK's tin can is able to generate (a lot of) electric current (lacking any other explanation), these are the electric components which can generate usually (a lot of) electric current:

a) Charged accumulator or battery, Wikipedia
b) Illuminated photovoltaic cell, Wikipedia
c) Running Van de Graaff generator, Wikipedia
d) Bent piezo crystal, Wikipedia
e) Rotating alternator, Wikipedia
f) Powered transformer, Wikipedia
g) Charged capacitor, Wikipedia

Hence the question: Which one of these items could be suitable to generate the TK device high current output?

The first one (a) is chemical energy. I don't think TK has chemicals (in shape of a battery) in the tin can to power the lamps. Second (b) can't be because there is no light in the tin can (neither is it in the green box). Third (c) generates current but at high voltage and needs mechanical input, therefore it is not suitable to power directly some incandescent light bulbs. Fourth (d) is a very difficult to handle material hence impractical for the basement hobby room. Fifth (e) can't be because of the high mechanical input work that is required. Sixth (f) does not fit into the tin can due to the heavy iron core which is necessary in order to work with 50Hz. Therefore (g) would be the best choice so far, since a (charged) capacitor can provide a lot of current whilst it is relatively small in size, it does not need any light or chemicals nor any mechanical input in order to work and its material is easy to handle in addition.

OK, on this basis now some wild speculations without any substance leading to nothing: What was Kapanadze experimenting with when he discovered his OU effect? The chances are great that he was experimenting with high voltage and spark gaps. But electric sparks have one nasty characteristic, they produce a lot of radio frequency interference (RFI). Hence Kapanadze could have come up with the idea to use special filter capacitors (see image below) to filter out these interferences. One common feature of these capacitors is they are connected in Y shape and the foot of this Y is usually connected to ground. I see!

Normally the grounding of the Y is used for dumping the interference frequencies into the ground. But what could happen if such a capacitor is connected to a transformer (maybe with two secondary coils) in an somewhat unusual way, so it suddenly starts drawing current from the ground instead of dumping it there? I see! This sounds all quite logical and makes perfect sense!

So now someone please make quick experiments with XY caps and then tell me that it works. :( :( :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14136 on: September 26, 2012, 08:55:49 AM »
a) Charged accumulator or battery, Wikipedia
b) Illuminated photovoltaic cell, Wikipedia
c) Running Van de Graaff generator, Wikipedia
d) Bent piezo crystal, Wikipedia
e) Rotating alternator, Wikipedia
f) Powered transformer, Wikipedia
g) Charged capacitor, Wikipedia

Hence the question: Which one of these items could be suitable to generate the TK device high current output?
Items a, e, f, g could provide high current.
None of the above could provide the energy density in the available space (or mass) stipulated in the Aq2 video.

Capacitors can provide high current density but not high energy density. Current is not energy (voltage neither).

The only conventional explanation of Aq2 video is external energy delivery. Other explanations are unconventional (does not mean "wrong" or "impossible").

Also, there is a huge difference between answers to the following questions about the methods suitable for TK's outputs:
1) Which method is suitable for generating high current in TK devices?
2) Which method is suitable for generating a lot of energy in TK devices?
3) Which method is  suitable for converting sth to high current in TK devices?
4) Which method is  suitable for converting sth to a lot of energy in TK devices?
5) Which method is  suitable for storing and releasing high current in TK devices?
6) Which method is  suitable for storing and releasing a lot of energy  in TK devices?

For example methods/items e & f could never become answers to questions 5 & 6 because those methods rely on conversion, not storage.
Another example: external delivery could be the answer to questions 3 & 4.
Also, sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between generating and converting. For example compare betavoltaics.

So which question did you mean to ask?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14137 on: September 26, 2012, 12:55:50 PM »
Also, sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between generating and converting.

If the law of conservation of energy has still any meaning then generating of energy should not be possible at all. Thus it is always about converting not generating of energy.

So which question did you mean to ask?

Question #1: Do we need new laws of physics because of the energy density observed in the Aq2 video?

Question #2: Which electric component mentioned above is suitable to take care of the energy delivery to the TK device?

Given the dimensions of the tin can and the visible connections it should be something that can be figured out.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14138 on: September 26, 2012, 01:31:15 PM »
I apologize for any bad english.
Thanks wattsup
In terms of resonance. Maybe I'm wrong, there is a transformer inside the can (it was written before on your forum). That would create a serial 50Hz resonant circuit with a capacitor connected in series to L1.
Because TK is a magician, with this condition Heat Sinked Components have  no sense.
From this point of view (again, maybe I'm wrong), a diode bridge removes high  resonance voltage from capacitor and from the output of the diode bridge we get (theoretically) pulsed DC voltage with a frequency of two times more than the inverter.
Then the scheme might look like this
â„–13- capacitor (not electrolytic)

« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 03:07:41 PM by bass »

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« Reply #14139 on: September 26, 2012, 03:12:04 PM »
@bass

Wow, I see post no. 1, so welcome to OU.

The capacitor you show it a very good candidate since it has the wire coming out directly without terminals that we cannot see as well in the video. I would also agree that the cap is parallel to the bridge AC side given we see no wires leading away from the capacitor.

Yes your transformer addition will be one of the first ways. You are showing the primary in series with one side of the AC, but it could also be in parallel with the AC5 line as well.

Also, there has been talk about a short (I think 9 feet) length of coax wire that is "absolutely" required in the TK devices, besides any coax required in the TKc. So maybe a 9' coax can be rolled and fitted inside the tin can which is parallel with the AC5 and AC10 lines that then goes to output.

Whatever is inside that tin can has to be very small to accommodate as well all those wire connections going there. It cannot be to complicated electronics. It has to be as transparent as possible to let the energies pass with minimal hindrance otherwise it would create heat.

I was too busy last night but will start experiments along these lines tonight.

@all

Given the diagram I posted, there is a whole series of logical questions that can be addressed as to what is in the tin can. Since the 2004 build is open to all, the only place TK had to make all his wire connections is inside the tin can otherwise you would have had a 100% visible device showing all the inter wires connections. Besides that wire connections, he needs a way to producing the the HV for the spark. It could be any small HV transformer that could fit in the tin can easy and that would be a totally separate line that has no bearing on the device output so I will not be distracted or concentrating on that spark gap. Compared to the 1000+ watts output energy required to juice up the heater elements, that spark gap is consuming probably 2 watts at HV.

Please stay away form theorizing without pointing to a physical place in the TK builds. If you have a theory it should address a physical attribute otherwise we loose concentration. I am sure some guys are already trying out the circuit. It does touch on @Jack Noskills transformer since we do expect one or two small transformers are in the tin can. One for the HV to spark gap and maybe a 2nd high current low turns type to output.
 
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PS: In the Aq2, we can see two transformers in the back section.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14140 on: September 26, 2012, 04:19:58 PM »
To Anyone:
I don't know a lot about the math and physics of the TK Device but have been following with interest. I did some testing with the 2 transformer setup that SR193 demonstrated before he showed his TK replication. The preliminary  results seemed interesting (Note: attachment). When the spark occurs at a particular point on the sign wave, (Close to the peak on the rising side) the sign wave amplitude doubles for several cycles and the light bulb intensity increases considerably. I thought that this might pertain to the TK investigation, so I am posting it.

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« Reply #14141 on: September 26, 2012, 04:23:28 PM »
To Anyone:
Also Attached is a picture of the actual setup for the 2 transformer experiment.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14142 on: September 26, 2012, 06:01:40 PM »
To Anyone:
I don't know a lot about the math and physics of the TK Device but have been following with interest. I did some testing with the 2 transformer setup that SR193 demonstrated before he showed his TK replication. The preliminary  results seemed interesting (Note: attachment). When the spark occurs at a particular point on the sign wave, (Close to the peak on the rising side) the sign wave amplitude doubles for several cycles and the light bulb intensity increases considerably. I thought that this might pertain to the TK investigation, so I am posting it.
You seem to know enough to notice that this "memory effect" is unusual".
Very good observation, and consistent with McFreey paper, too. 

If this is correct then subjecting this transformer to a small static magnetic field (produced by a weak permanant magnet or a winding supplied with DC) would increase this effect at some value and orientation of the field (most likely the perpendicular orientation).
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« Reply #14143 on: September 26, 2012, 07:42:07 PM »
 ;D
The TK says it's a simple thing to make people laugh then we try to make us laugh this,
we see the device 2004, about 350 watt transformer and the secondary suppose to give
12 volts then the output current is 29 amp, 220 volt input to the 1.6 amp current will be less
than about 1 amp feedback 0.5 ampere is the current measured in consumption.

 Suppose that TK was able to discover a method to mix the 220 ​​volt with 12 volt 29 amps,
232 volts and obtaining output 30 amps less losses, the problem would be solved.

 Are you okay? no I do not know any method of mixing 220 volt and 12 volt 29 amp and
maybe this is the way to solve this puzzle.
 ;D

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« Reply #14144 on: September 26, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »
QUOTE:
You seem to know enough to notice that this "memory effect" is unusual".
Very good observation, and consistent with McFreey paper, too.

If this is correct then subjecting this transformer to a small static magnetic field (produced by a weak permanant magnet or a winding supplied with DC) would increase this effect at some value and orientation of the field (most likely the perpendicular orientation).

I tried introducing a magnetic field of various strengths on each of the transformer cores. There are several locations on the first transformer (T1) that seem to enhance the effect, as far as the duration of time which it occurs ( From HV Pulse  to  HV Pulse).  Note: the below attachment.

 

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