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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12075052 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14055 on: September 21, 2012, 04:25:44 PM »
I still have not been able to find a way to download that video
This works for me: http://www.youtubedownloadersite.com/

So now were are left with a great quandary. A major piss-off because we have have vested so much time with sparks and all the builds on youtube and all the R&D.
The (phony?) TK coil consists of: One orange cable (to lamps) going in and out, one white cable (bifilar?) connected to ground going in and out, surrounded by a helical coil in series with a spark gap. Maybe there is ferrite or metal of some sort hidden in the core or even not. The point is, this coil is basically a very simple construction. Why then was nobody able to replicate it successfully in years? Because this coil has actually nothing to do with the creation of energy?

Everyone looking at the TK setup thinks the prominent eye-catching coil creates the energy by some (unknown) Tesla (spark) effect and the 50Hz transformer in the background is only there to provide a few volts for the spark generator. In actual fact the 50Hz transformer is responsible for the production of the free energy whereas the whole purpose of the big coil and the spark is to cover up the plain truth.

Now something feasible in terms of physics is needed to get 25 amps to the lamps. Hence first the question: Is grounding needed or is it not?? I don't see a ground connection in the image below. But then why is a ground connection on aquarium II required? Just another distraction? And then why is there a 23 amps reading on the ground cable in the green box video if ground is not needed?

Second the question: What is alternated current? More or less electrons moving quickly forward and backward in a wire? So these electrons come from nowhere and go to nowhere. There is just an oscillation of the already existing electrons in the wire. But then, why do electric AC circuits usually only work when the circuit is closed? A capacitor (although the plates are insulated from each other) can close an AC circuit. Question: Is it possible to close an AC circuit by means of a magnetic field?

The thick orange cable carries a current of 25 amps. This cable comes out of the tin can. But I can't see any thick wire suitable for 25 amps that goes into the tin can (coming from the transformer). This could only mean that the 25 amps are created somewhere in the tin can. What is suitable to provide a lot of amps? Maybe a capacitor? But how to run a capacitor with less amps in than out?

Seems plenty to investigate ...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14056 on: September 21, 2012, 04:58:45 PM »


 You are talking about two different devices here.


 Stay on one subject. You keep swapping back and forth trying to compare two different device. The grounding in this instance is on top of the device. They are antennas or virtual grounds. Gah man where have you been. This was discussed over 20-30 pages ago....

 When we were discussing this subject we thought that the big blue coil is in fact a coil wound on top of a very big capacitor. This was the experiment that I had Itsu do for me with energizing a capacitor from the outside with the black part of the blue wire covered cap. Simply the cap is agitated into providing the current by the crude Tesla coil wound over this cap.

 The yellow covered device is an inverter and the black box could be anything.. Even a battery, as the inverter would need the battery to operate. Just like in his earlier device.

 I really don't think this device is very good representation of Kapanadze method. There is too many variables in this. Is there a video for this and why is the light attached to the wall??? Seems to me that there is a lot missing from this picture..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14057 on: September 21, 2012, 05:29:02 PM »
  A capacitor is a spark gap that hasn't sparked.   When electrons are added to one plate and taken from another an electric field is established between the two electrodes seperated by an insulator.  If the dielectric breaks down and electrons are acclerated from cathode to anode the resulting radiation emitted by the accelerated or deaccelerated mass of the electron results in ionizing radiation being absorbed by the dielectric.  The dielectric usually carbonises and a massive transfer of electrons from cathode to anode insues.  Often this current oscillates between the two electrodes as the electron inertia causes an overshoot.  This results in a very high frequency oscillation of current between the capacitor plates and can easily be seen on an oscilliscope as the spark gap rings down.  A spark gap can also be used to couple an ac signal to a circuit.  Electrons extracted from one electrode causes it to become anodic.  Electrons move from the core of the second electrode towards the skin and a current in the coupled circuit ensues until the secondary electrode fills up to capacity.  When the anode extraction potential is relaxed the amassed electrons on the cathode flyback into the coupled circuit towards the scource of the free electrons which is relatively positive compared to the charge accumulated on the cathode.  The anode also draws current back through the primary circuit.   Capacitors aka unshorted spark gaps need not be charged in a closed circuit as long as electrons are moving into and out of one spot in space the rest of space recognises this abnormal charge distribution and will respond.  How much simpler can it get.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14058 on: September 21, 2012, 05:44:11 PM »
Re amp measurements in the 2004 video:
It is impossible for these meters to read correctly. Please do not be misled. Most European meters are calibrated to 220 volts (more or less) and 50 Hz.  Any device which  produces a high voltage will automatically skew any meter.
I would even be suspicious about a true rms meter, because high voltage messes everything up. Think about it: How many meters have you destroyed? I've destroyed more meters and inverters than I dare think about.
That is one reason I asked for a 2 kw load running for over 4 hours in the aquarium 2. We don't need meters to know it worked. Everyone there could feel the heat. You can fool people with lights and lightbulbs. You cannot fool people with heat. Heat is where real power measurement is.
For the second time, we wanted meters to disprove cheating. We wanted to look into the possibility of HV coming in from the ground. My only question was and still is," Is the Kapanadze device free energy, or is he transmitting power through the ground wire?"
My personal opinion is that the chances are that it is  95% genuine and 5% fraud.
My money is on the transformer as the source and the coil pack as a step down transformer to do at least two jobs.
1 Power the load
2 Provide a feedback loop.
Oh, and the spark gap? As in his patent: an overload protector.
We should look at the wiring in this light, in my opinion.
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14059 on: September 21, 2012, 06:10:16 PM »
You are talking about two different devices here.
Different in what way? Different in disguising the real thing?

They are antennas or virtual grounds.
Not connectors for the start-up battery?

I had Itsu do for me with energizing a capacitor from the outside with the black part of the blue wire covered cap. Simply the cap is agitated into providing the current by the crude Tesla coil wound over this cap.
And? Any success with Free Energy?

How much simpler can it get.
Not simple enough, otherwise we would already have a working replica of the Kapanadze device. ::)

It is impossible for these meters to read correctly.
On the other hand the guy in the yellow tent presentation does obviously nothing have to complain about. Maybe because he knows there is no high voltage / high frequency involved at all in this presentation?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14060 on: September 21, 2012, 06:54:05 PM »
You cannot fool people with heat. Heat is where real power measurement is.
Yes, heat is a pretty good indicator, especially if you take two identical resistive heaters, in the same ambient environment, and supply one with a known DC power and the other with an unknown AC power.
Next, you can compare the heat dissipated by the unknown AC power to the heat dissipated by the known DC power -  most likely by purposely adjusting the DC power until a thermistor indicates that the heat dissipated by it is the same as the heat dissipated by the unknown AC power.
I think HP made a precision wattmeter operating on this principle.

Too bad you had only one heater and relied on your skin to judge the heat instead of a simple thermistor or thermocouple.  The 2kW claim for 4.5h would have been much more credible then.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14061 on: September 21, 2012, 07:12:41 PM »
...
The (phony?) TK coil consists of: One orange cable (to lamps) going in and out, one white cable (bifilar?) connected to ground going in and out, surrounded by a helical coil in series with a spark gap. Maybe there is ferrite or metal of some sort hidden in the core or even not. The point is, this coil is basically a very simple construction. Why then was nobody able to replicate it successfully in years? Because this coil has actually nothing to do with the creation of energy?

Everyone looking at the TK setup thinks the prominent eye-catching coil creates the energy by some (unknown) Tesla (spark) effect and the 50Hz transformer in the background is only there to provide a few volts for the spark generator. In actual fact the 50Hz transformer is responsible for the production of the free energy whereas the whole purpose of the big coil and the spark is to cover up the plain truth.
...

This is the right direction. Stating that the visible coil is not a part of energy generation,  is definitely closer to what McFreey is concluding. To get even closer, you have to still “cross the bridge” and conclude that the transformer in the 2004 video cannot be the part where the energy is generated. For over 100 years, this type of a transformer has never produced any extra energy. Why should it produce energy this time?
The energy is “produced” in the tin box, in the spool-like device, as described by McFreey (see below).  Full details can be found here.
I am wondering, why McFreey's analysis is rejected, without any rationale given, while the proven wrong approaches are perpetuated.  Any thoughts?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #14062 on: September 21, 2012, 07:26:47 PM »
I am wondering, why McFreey's analysis is rejected, without any rationale given, while the proven wrong approaches are perpetuated.  Any thoughts?
I think it is rejected because people consider NMR to be something very exotic and difficult to achieve but Kapanadze told them it is very simple and they believe him that it is so.
Also I think people are afraid of the "N" word !

I've got a question to anyone who understands magnetic circuits.
Why do the horizontal arrows get longer further away from the shaft C in this cross-sectional diagram?
...after all the reluctance is greater further away from the shaft.  The increased circumference (and areas) further away from the shaft should serve only to distribute the magnetic flux from the magnet over a wider area leading to smaller flux density (B).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14063 on: September 21, 2012, 07:28:53 PM »
This is the right direction. Stating that the visible coil is not a part of energy generation,
But it might be a part of voltage conversion. See Boost/Buck Converter.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #14064 on: September 21, 2012, 07:34:59 PM »
For over 100 years, this type of a transformer has never produced any extra energy
Maybe it did, but it destroyed itself in the process.
Wouldn't it be something if the destructive Ferroresonance had its origin in NMR all along?

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« Reply #14065 on: September 21, 2012, 07:35:51 PM »
@jbignes5

In the 2004 video (notice how right away I am identifying what I am talking about in this post) we have to simply consider that the plug that goes behind the inverter and that is plugged into the mains socket (back plug), well, that wire is just entering the back but is going directly to the inverter output plug. This is because his battery voltage is going down and down and he does not have enough juice in the battery to start up the system with the inverter and he uses the back plug as a boost start. So there is nothing special there to consider.

Unfortunately, it is clear now that the devices do not require a spark gap. This was made crystal clear in the Aq2 build where the spark gap wires head directly into the hidden areas of the build, before the output of the triple transformer, so there is no relation between the spark and the output. This explains why the spark cadence was low frequency 10Hz. If they used a smaller spark discharge capacitor, that spark frequency would have been faster. Why did it take so long to get to this point??????????????

The devices work using mains supply regardless of the source method. This mains supply is shorted to the rectified output of the transformer secondary via the two switching heat sinks and the capacitor and is creating some rather havoc stricken effects that will even create flyback from the secondary back to the primary, working like an energy pump amplifier. The bulbs are just receiving the brunt havoc end of all this activity and as long as you are faster then 50Hz, you will not see the lights flickering so you have no way of knowing the actual working frequency.

@Jack Noskills was doing something similar with two transformers but it can be done with only one transformer, a rectifier, two switches and a capacitor via a passive switching method that has nothing to do with anything located inside the tin can. The tin can has enough space to only hold a HV device for the spark illusion and space for all the wiring connections. Any switching circuit would have to be robust and reliable enough to handle all the havoc so I don't think they had any complex switching system. Also, I am convinced the spark stopped in the 2004 video because the diode plate was shorting out on the 6 turn coil. hehehe

This all makes so much more sense now and can be tied in logically with all the TK devices.

I guess TK is only happy as long as guys are sparking away. So maybe during our next bench trials we should include a spark gap that has nothing to do with the experiments but only to keep TK happy thinking we are on the wrong track. After all, we aim to please. lolololololol

So back to the bench and trials with the TKc and a step down transformer via the mains.

I think I will need to find two 50 volt - 6 to 12 amp zenor diodes and a 120v to 60volt step down transformer. I should have something close to that already on hand.

ZENOR DIODES come in all sizes and shapes, from the regular small reds and blacks to the two pinned mosfet type and even in the sizes seen on the 2004 diode plate. So here is a side question.

Has anyone ever made a full wave bridge rectifier using zenor diodes? That may be a simple enough thing to hide in plain sight but what would be the effect? If the diode plate used zenor diodes, would that create a pulsing effect?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14066 on: September 21, 2012, 07:49:54 PM »
Maybe it did, but it destroyed itself in the process.
Wouldn't it be something if the destructive Ferroresonance had its origin in NMR all along?
This is probable, but to be able to utilize this, the construction of a transformer has to be different. In the 2004 video, the visible transformer is conventional. The device in quoted Fig. 1 is also a transformer.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14067 on: September 21, 2012, 08:26:39 PM »

 So I'm guessing no one read the link I provided including the book from archive.org


 The wave theory in that book handles all forms of waves including stationary waves. It explains what the power company engineers have know for many many years.


 If you read it you would see that the spark gap is merely a way to get the very sharp oscillations needed to produce these waves. It also lets the voltage ramp up as well.

Please goto the lecture X in the book and read that secition page 132 of the djvu viewer. In that section it talks about what I suspect is the method TK is using.


 It doesn't matter anyways if I must I will build the device myself and show you all.. Got to give me a few months to get things together.


 Until then just keep assuming instead of doing.

 Anyways here is a short clip of the coil and where he got the idea...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3ALEVkILE&feature=related

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« Reply #14068 on: September 21, 2012, 10:20:59 PM »
we have to simply consider that the plug that goes behind the inverter and that is plugged into the mains socket (back plug), well, that wire is just entering the back but is going directly to the inverter output plug.
This would risk a short circuit and blowing the fuse because the device is grounded. Hence no direct connection to mains is allowed. :D

The wave theory in that book handles all forms of waves including stationary waves. It explains what the power company engineers have know for many many years.
So the power company engineers have known for many years about Free Energy? ??? ???

It doesn't matter anyways if I must I will build the device myself and show you all..
Go ahead.

Anyways here is a short clip of the coil and where he got the idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3ALEVkILE&feature=related
That's the point. Why is he showing the coil from close up in front of the camera? Why not the transformer? Any ideas? ::) 8)

Anyway, this is a nice setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8ZP4XOkYI

A bank of capacitors (looks familiar?) which boosts the power of ten microwave oven transformers significantly.

For over 100 years, this type of a transformer has never produced any extra energy. Why should it produce energy this time?
Because this time the transformer runs in a closed loop hence there is a great chance the produced energy is even recognized as such?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14069 on: September 21, 2012, 10:51:15 PM »
 A: did you read the book or not?
 B: The book is not about free energy it is about waves and how they can and will influence a biased wire. Just go to this link and go to the page I mentioned with the chapter Header: Lecture X


 [size=78%]http://ia700402.us.archive.org//load_djvu_applet.php?file=4/items/ElectricDischargesWavesAndImpulses/ElectricDischargesWavesAndImpulses.djvu[/size]


 The whole book is a treatise on what the power companies learned over the years about switching the gens on and off from the power lines. What effects shorts to ground have on the lines and the transformers on each end. The resulting waves of both damped and undamped waves are talked about in the book. I would suggest reading the whole book but I guess no one wants to educate themselves. Instead you would rather sit and postulate about subjects you have no clue about.
 You know how I know you have no clue about them? Because it says no one has really delved into the transients and what effects they have. We know little about this stuff because the transients were always shunted to ground. Which is the only high capacity they could shunt into. Read and learn what the professionals who works on those systems learned by trial and error.


 The system that TK devised is on par with a Tesla system.


 The reference that I made to the short clip was about the NEWSPAPER he was holding. Not the coil. Ever heard of the Tesla Death Ray? It could be very well that the can is empty and is only the target of this Ray gun. It is after all on the one end of the coil. Who knows at this point.

 

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