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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 11975680 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13995 on: September 18, 2012, 03:46:08 AM »
As one of those on this group that has flung an accusation of fraud on the Kapandze device, I am also a person that tries to replicate and am indeed so doing with the Russian Daly device. Given that there is very little to base a replication on with the Kapandze device and that no hard data is available for it, it is little wonder why it has been labelled as a likely fraud. I certainly do not have the time or money to attempt replications of devices based on sparse information and will always first consider the likelihood of fraud until decent build information etc., is forthcoming. IMO, the Kapandze motor generators are likely frauds in that the second and third devices are probably powered from a concealed motor underneath that belt couples to the main axle within one of the bearing block housings. The first motor shows signs of there being an electrical contact on each disc which could pick power up from concealed battery. Having made this assessment, its difficult for me not to think that trickery could have been applied to the TK solid state devices.

Just because a few people look first at possible methods of fraud, it does not follow that those people are necessarily trying to put down all FE claims. I for one have the same passion as others on this forum for finding a means of freeing the world from the oil barons, I just approach FE claims investigation in a different manner

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 No you assume fraud. That is all. No wonder he isn't here defending himself and answering questions and providing information. Why would someone come here to face BS claims of fraud with no proof as such but just imaginations. I agree that there needs to be more information but you and others have pretty much assured that he won't come within two inches of this forum. So even if the devices are true you'll never know will yah... All you are going by is wild imaginations and not proof of anything. You and many others have assured that we can't even ask questions at all simply because the man does not, I will imagine, want to deal with all the crap.


 You method is nothing but BS. It's not even scientific and you admit that yourself.

 Anyways what does this Dally thing have to do with Kapanadze devices? I don't remember it saying Dally device as the thread title....

 Also what does due diligence have anything to do with assuming something is a fraud? There is no diligence if you do nothing but assume.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13996 on: September 18, 2012, 09:38:37 AM »

 Anyways what does this Dally thing have to do with Kapanadze devices? I don't remember it saying Dally device as the thread title....



I'm glad it wasn't a new thread I would have entirely missed the clues.  This IMHO is exactly the same as kapanadze, and is a good replication, if slightly modified.  The kapagen is a black box in a lot of ways, and I've seen a lot of theories thrown around. 


Well hell, someone said ferrite cores were no good for nano second pulses... but it's a 7x4x2 toroid... and one thing I did learn from joule thieves, the size of your core determines a base frequency.  And made me question some things; but I found [size=78%]http://slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs/11750/slac-pub-11853.pdf[/size]  which has


".... [size=78%]The [/size][size=78%]expected relaxation time for ferrite in the strong magnetic [/size]
acting fields is ~ 40 psec and this is a physical limitation
of the core material. ...... "


So ya, it might help shape the pulse, but it is definitely able to transfer it.  Plus it's a mono-polar pulse; so you're never working against the flux left in the core... And actually, that will help squelch the back pulse....




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In my replication, I've made the coils on separate, nested formers.  (my 28 gauge driver is on a pvc tube and that fits snug in another pvc (which outer diameter is like 3.8 instead of 4.6), which has the resonator, and I should re-wind the outer coils... but a 6m length of 50ohm coax, and ad the outer pickup is on a separate tube.  Using a frequency generator, was confirming that merely sliding the position of these coils will affect the resonant frequency, and should provide a good tuning point. So it's not TK or Dally, what of it?  It's more of a solid state device than TK.
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So if you have a high potential field, and during that field, produce another high voltage pulse that goes from one end to the other, and reflects to come back the opposite direction... something about interfering electromagnetic fields...  (giving an avalanche pulse just before the peek of the other pulse?)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13997 on: September 18, 2012, 09:59:13 AM »
@T-1000

Thanks for posting the coil details. This takes away the guess work. I like his coil former - a decorators silicon sealant tube  :) Now onto some finger aching winding.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13997 on: September 18, 2012, 09:59:13 AM »
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Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13998 on: September 18, 2012, 11:05:55 AM »
Well hell, someone said ferrite cores were no good for nano second pulses... but it's a 7x4x2 toroid... and one thing I did learn from joule thieves, the size of your core determines a base frequency. 
And made me question some things; but I found http://slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs/11750/slac-pub-11853.pdf[/size]  which has the expected relaxation time for ferrite in the strong magnetic acting fields is ~ 40 psec and this is a physical limitation of the core material. ...... "
So ya, it might help shape the pulse, but it is definitely able to transfer it.  Plus it's a mono-polar pulse; so you're never working against the flux left in the core... And actually, that will help squelch the back pulse....

This article is a good find.  It acknowledges that traditional multi-turn pulse transformers with a ferrite core are only good up to 100MHz (>100ns pulses).

According to this article it is possible to step-up the voltage of a sub nanosecond pulses using a multi-core fraction transformer.
Does the Dally design use such an exotic transformer?

Quote from: Anatoly Krasnykh
An induction system comprises an array of single turn pulse transformers.
Ferromagnetic cores of transformers are toroids that are stacked along the longitudinal core axis. Another name for this array is a fraction transformer or an adder.
The primary and secondary windings of such a design have one turn. The step up mode is based on the number of primary pulse sources. The secondary windings are connected in series.
Performances of such a system for the nanosecond range mode operation are different in comparison to the performances of traditional multi-turn pulse transformers, which are working on a 100+ nanosecond mode operation.
In this paper, the author discusses which aspects are necessary to take into account for the high power nanosecond fractional transformer designs.
The engineering method of the nanosecond induction system design is presented.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13999 on: September 18, 2012, 11:14:32 AM »
I like his coil former - a decorators silicon sealant tube  :) Now onto some finger aching winding.
And only plastic dispenser tubes manufactured in Prypiat will exhibit any anomalous effects when used as a coil former/bobbin ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13999 on: September 18, 2012, 11:14:32 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14000 on: September 18, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »
Although the transformer TP shown on the schematic Itsu posted indicates a ferrite core from an ATX PSU, the transformer in the Daly photos looks not to be home made as it is heat-shrink plastic wrapped with what looks like manufacturers markings. Also, the numbered termination eyelet lugs are not what I would expect to see on a home brewed transformer. The green colour of the plastic wrap, suggests that it might be a Russian military component. Can anyone shed any light on the construction of this transformer and its winding details?

Hoppy

PS. Its physical size and what I can see of the secondary winding through the plastic wrap, looks consistent with a 2x12V/15VA mains transformer (approx 60mm dia).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14001 on: September 18, 2012, 05:20:55 PM »
Although the transformer TP shown on the schematic Itsu posted indicates a ferrite core from an ATX PSU, the transformer in the Daly photos looks not to be home made as it is heat-shrink plastic wrapped with what looks like manufacturers markings. Also, the numbered termination eyelet lugs are not what I would expect to see on a home brewed transformer. The green colour of the plastic wrap, suggests that it might be a Russian military component. Can anyone shed any light on the construction of this transformer and its winding details?

Hoppy

PS. Its physical size and what I can see of the secondary winding through the plastic wrap, looks consistent with a 2x12V/15VA mains transformer (approx 60mm dia).


Unsure of exact dimensions, but it's 2x3 windings (1.5mm wire) and 2x70 windings (0.6mm wire)  [size=78%]http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1226/dally1.GIF[/size]

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Offline d3x0r

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14002 on: September 18, 2012, 06:12:28 PM »
This article is a good find.  It acknowledges that traditional multi-turn pulse transformers with a ferrite core are only good up to 100MHz (>100ns pulses).

"t in comparison to the
performances of traditional multi-turn pulse transformers,
which are working on a 100+ nanosecond mode operation"
doesn't say ferrite core, but probably refers to laminate core....


According to this article it is possible to step-up the voltage of a sub nanosecond pulses using a multi-core fraction transformer.
Does the Dally design use such an exotic transformer?


http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/public/etd-543273119623370/etd.pdf 


Shows a plot of experimental frequency response on page 3 (18 including contents and cover?)... 10^8 (100,000,000).... hmm... he measures different size ferrite cores from 1-22mm... 1mm has a good chance of having some sort of result at 1Ghz....


The other difference is, these papers aren't pulse analysis but were for transformers which is a continuous cycle.... this paper discuses a skin effect associated with the pulse....   This is one pulse and a time delay....


But the ferrite material itself is capable of shedding it's magnetism in 40ps; so one would think that's about all it takes to align it also... maybe it's like charging a capacitor... it's easy to get part of a charge, but takes longer as the capacitor reaches capacity closer to the voltage, and discharges probably more quickly?  maybe it takes a longer time to get a full alignment....   


I would guess this 150V spike would be in place of the spark gap? 


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14003 on: September 18, 2012, 06:31:26 PM »

Unsure of exact dimensions, but it's 2x3 windings (1.5mm wire) and 2x70 windings (0.6mm wire)  [size=78%]http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1226/dally1.GIF[/size]

This schematic does not apply to the dally demo device on video - see Dally schematic: http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/630/Dally2012.JPG

So can we be sure that the 'green' transformer matches this winding information?

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14004 on: September 18, 2012, 06:35:37 PM »
This schematic does not apply to the dally demo device on video - see Daly schematic: http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/630/Dally2012.JPG

So can we be sure that the 'green' transformer matches this winding information?

Hoppy


Hmm; I have to agree, I was just looking at those, and realized differences (like 2 transistors instead of 4 on the toroid driver...) I assume that's an earlier iteration, the block for the AND gates is mostly empty....


I blame Itsu.... :)
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg336554/#msg336554

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14005 on: September 18, 2012, 06:51:26 PM »
Funny how the thread has gone off the rails....
Was my 2004 transformer analysis too hot to handle? lol

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14006 on: September 18, 2012, 07:06:56 PM »
Funny how the thread has gone off the rails....
Was my 2004 transformer analysis too hot to handle? lol

I really cannot see us making further progress just making assumptions about the build. To be honest, I think there is a better chance of understanding what TK did (assuming its not faked) by studying the Russian offerings. Have you managed yet to procure a high res video of the Aqua2 device?

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14007 on: September 18, 2012, 07:36:52 PM »
Funny how the thread has gone off the rails....
Was my 2004 transformer analysis too hot to handle? lol
I feel the same way about the abandonment of the Yoke device.
It is so easy to distract this thread that it is an ideal supression tactic.



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14008 on: September 18, 2012, 07:38:13 PM »
@all

Well I just got back. Halleluiah brothers and sisters, there's nothing like home sweet home (that's code for bench sweet bench - lol). Typing posts on an Android is really not great on this forum interface. Even with a Galaxy 2S, the post section stinks so I did not intervene that much as I wanted to.

I have to say that I am just so mixed up because there are so many references to coils, builds, devices that are not really the TK devices. Look guys, this Daly guy is great but it needs its own thread otherwise we are going to drown each other out and make reporting results very difficult.

Daly, for me, proves nothing since his device builds have wires going all over the places, insides table holes, lots just hidden etc, etc. The 900watts in and ?.?kw out cannot be taken seriously at this point and the build HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TK DEVICES. But, it does indeed justify its own thread.

In the Aq2v the ONLY THING going to output is the HV+ of the triple transformer. Whatever happens in the build before this does not matter to the output but will matter to the input to the triple transformer primary on the HV+ output third coil. So talking about all these exotic ideas is irrelevant because what matters is what's on that HV+ line.

The Aq2 device once leaving the HV+ is a very simple TKc as we have wound our coils. Now if I am not mistaken, some say there are other coils wound inside the TKc coax winding. I have seen no evidence of that although I have proposed several drawings to show how it is possible to hide some cores (or even windings) inside the TKc as we see it visible. Also, it seems way to linear without any capacitor(s), diode(s), etc, near the load from the TKc so there could also be some mods done inside the TKc pipe or even something added inside the heater element such as one or more smoothing caps.

AGAIN, before I left I asked if the Russians (or anyone else) had any specific information on the Aq2 triple transformer in terms of official manufacturers specs. THE KEY IS THERE MAN. FIND THOSE SPECS - PLEASE. Why. Because we are assuming this is a triple flyback transformer producing over 10kv or even closer to 20-30kv on that HV+ line but maybe it is a simple step up of 1:2, 1:3, 1:4 but who knows for sure without the original design specs.

I also asked if there were any top EEers here that could investigate designs of primary pulsing techniques using a zener diode system. No answer. I am sad about that because of course my EE skills will not be enough to answer this question. Note: This is to find any GreenBox or 2004 device parallels (what component is on the two black heat sinks) compared with the Aq2 device.

Anyways, TK must be happy now because he sees us jumping all over the place with this Daly thing and so many other unrelated discussions but never fear, for some here are holding fast the ships wheel and will make sure this orientation does not veer off course to much. For the next few pages I would recommend everyone use some common courtesy and start their posts by identifying what they are pointing too in their posts.

Example: Start with.....
1) This post will discuss the TK Aq2 device mainly the TKc windings, or,
2) This post discusses the 2004 diodes, or,
3) This post will discuss the Daly device, etc.   

Again, we need the triple transformer specs. THIS IS KEY because TK made a big mistake with that build exposing the output lines so openly but without those specs, we can only presume and are still in the dark.

Last of all, on a lighter note, I am posting a very important image showing the most promising method for pulsing of a "beat frequency", presently known to man. Thanks to Yervy (my brother) for sending me this.  hehehe

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14009 on: September 18, 2012, 07:56:52 PM »
Funny how the thread has gone off the rails....
Was my 2004 transformer analysis too hot to handle? lol
Not for my supplier of transformers. I'm waiting for the delivery of a 230V / 115V - 115V transformer I have ordered. Because that is what I think is the 2004 transformer, hence the heavy insulation on the secondary wires. Will see what the results are playing around with this one.

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