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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13850826 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13815 on: September 09, 2012, 09:04:23 PM »

TinselKoala,
I think, as I wrote above, this is astable multivibrator with two outs.
Watch waveform of current inside patent, please (FIG.2)


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Yes, I see it now, thanks, crossed posts. Easy to do with FG, or as you say a dedicated MV. But at what frequency?

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13816 on: September 09, 2012, 09:05:52 PM »
Why would you need to rectify and already DC input?
Because the transformer un-rectifies the DC input? ::)

How can a transformer output DC?

Although I can't see any diode in TK setup on the primary side of the transformer, what if TK's blue inverter is broken so it provides only a half wave of 220V/50Hz? Or a half wave of the inverter output is shorted somehow?

Hence the transformer gets only the half of the 50Hz input. Therefore it provides the missing half of the wave on its own by means of Back EMF?

Just thinking impossible things ...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13817 on: September 09, 2012, 09:07:27 PM »
Yes, I see it now, thanks, crossed posts. Easy to do with FG, or as you say a dedicated MV. But at what frequency?


I'm speculating now...
I think, could be 50 Hz for inverter and 5 kHz for multivibraor...

P.S.
Because on right side transistor working like impulse power supplay, left one working like Bedini pulse charger of battery. That's all.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13817 on: September 09, 2012, 09:07:27 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13818 on: September 09, 2012, 09:08:59 PM »
Because the transformer un-rectifies the DC input? ::)

How can a transformer output DC?

Although I can't see any diode in TK setup on the primary side of the transformer, what if TK's blue inverter is broken so it provides only a half wave of 220V/50Hz? Or a half wave of the inverter output is shorted somehow?

Hence the transformer gets only the half of the 50Hz input. Therefore it provides the missing half of the wave on its own by means of Back EMF?

Just thinking impossible things ...
Yeap, I think, too, like you. BEMF this could be an answer.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13819 on: September 09, 2012, 09:32:44 PM »
Because the transformer un-rectifies the DC input? ::)

How can a transformer output DC?

Although I can't see any diode in TK setup on the primary side of the transformer, what if TK's blue inverter is broken so it provides only a half wave of 220V/50Hz? Or a half wave of the inverter output is shorted somehow?

Hence the transformer gets only the half of the 50Hz input. Therefore it provides the missing half of the wave on its own by means of Back EMF?

Just thinking impossible things ...

That is a good concept and I agree with you.  Actually I think this may be happening somewhere in the ct but I dont see this happening in the diagram, thats all.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13819 on: September 09, 2012, 09:32:44 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13820 on: September 10, 2012, 12:19:53 AM »

Although I can't see any diode in TK setup on the primary side of the transformer, what if TK's blue inverter is broken so it provides only a half wave of 220V/50Hz? Or a half wave of the inverter output is shorted somehow?


You don't need them if you discharge in phase on the AC side.
Probably you can remember principle drawing some years ago.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13821 on: September 10, 2012, 01:25:35 AM »
The aquarium 2  team can remember nothing about the contents inside  the coil. However I feel the discussions on this forum have made good progress. I can now see a common thread between all of Kapanadze's solid state designs. I am becoming more convinced that the bifilar wound coil (Kapanadze's term - I think they are Caduceus)  is a step down transformer. They are not the coils featured in the patent, in my view. His patent is making more and more sense to me now.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13822 on: September 10, 2012, 02:11:06 AM »
I'm quoting the description from the WIPO application here because it is actually very clear and understandable and explains this interesting circuit well enough to get builders started. I don't know what it has to do with Kapanadze but it's a neat circuit anyway.

I think the "control circuit" CY is probably a function generator making alternating squarewave positive pulses out the two outputs, which can be done simply with an ordinary FG and some easy TTL or CMOS logic. But at what frequency and duty cycle?

ETA: I see from the "figure2" that I am right about the control pulses, and they are 50 percent duty cycle, alternating, positive going square pulses. But..... all I can find is that they should be "at a specified frequency". But I can't find what the specification is. Anybody got any idea? It will help when choosing the other component values and circuit layout.
If anyone knows pls tell me how to make a "control circuit" CY

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13823 on: September 10, 2012, 02:52:40 AM »
@Zeitmaschine

Thanks for posting that patent. Makes perfect sense.

In a normal one transformer primary under AC, half the coil is in top wave while the other half is bottom wave, always switching back and forth. When you put two primaries in series, one primary is now top wave and the other is bottom wave so you are using the complete primary under one change and not two half changes.

It's like pulsing an alternating polarity dc or maybe an H-Bridge pulsing per primary. If each primary now only has to deal with one polarity in its entire wind length, this may of course save on losses. All the above would happen if that diode #1 was not there.

The line diode makes things a bit more drastic and I think the inventor does not even describe it well because there is no mention of a 1/4 wave produced per primary during one side of the AC half wave, because that's what it should be producing.

When the AC feed is on the normal flow side of the diode (1), each primary gets half a wave. But when the AC feed is on the blocking side of the diode, both primaries will only get a total of half a wave giving each a quarter wave, one primary that is going up (then must fall) and the other falling, then going up almost as if it was square wave driven in that one half cycle.

I'll have to try that out when I get back, but I am sure Tinsel may look at that with his scope and all - hehehe.

In the interim, some guys e-mailed me about the triaxial cable I will use to wind the next TK coil. I made a small youtube to show the differences and you will see where I think TK got his shielding ground wire.

I forgot to mention that the texture of the second transparent layer of the triaxial is very close to that of the blue TKc used by TK. When you look close up at the TKc blue wire that is not distorted under the cellophane wrapping, you will notice an erratic surface.

http://youtu.be/37vxQ74OvY4

Don't give up.

wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13823 on: September 10, 2012, 02:52:40 AM »
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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13824 on: September 10, 2012, 04:20:51 AM »
You don't need them if you discharge in phase on the AC side.
Probably you can remember principle drawing some years ago.

The principle drawing(s) that nobody can get to work?

The line diode makes things a bit more drastic and I think the inventor does not even describe it well because there is no mention of a 1/4 wave produced per primary during one side of the AC half wave, because that's what it should be producing.

Could be the inventor does not describe it well because he wants to avoid the term »Perpetuum mobile«. 8)

Allegedly the circuit is for »reducing losses during conversion of AC to DC«.

One transformer is matching the other is step-up. That means there seems to be no step-down of the voltage, only a one to one conversation AC to DC. The normal way to do this is to use a simple diode bridge with capacitor, 220V AC in 310V DC out.

Now I scratch my head: How can a circuit with two transformers and two diode bridges and a diode that blocks half of the input power be more effective than a single diode bridge? What is wrong here?

 ??? ??? ???

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13825 on: September 10, 2012, 01:39:53 PM »
@Zeitmaschine

 I think TK got his shielding ground wire.

http://youtu.be/37vxQ74OvY4

Don't give up.

wattsup

This is very likely, given that he would likely have had even more difficulty sourcing the braided hose on its own. However, could he have removed that much braided hose without cutting through the braid in sections? You are in the best position to try removing a few metres off your triax. I mentioned in an earlier post that the braid laying on the floor appears to have short dark sections which might be taped joints, or just plays of light?? Pulling a continuous 1 metre length of sheath off 75R Co-ax if difficult, especially without damaging the braid at the point of cutting, either using a proper co-ax cutting tool or cutting the sheath along its entire length. If the braid was removed in sections, why would TK have gone to the trouble in joining up the sections, rather than using a simple wire earth as in the green box version, other than to conceal conductors inside? I have seen no close-up high res shots of the braid laying on the floor or going through the window, so we cannot rule out joints at this point in time.

Happy  ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13826 on: September 10, 2012, 02:45:47 PM »
@wattsup, you will find stripping braid and or insulation from coax is quite simple to do once started. Could the reason for use of coax be the fact that most UK coax has a steel centre wire thats copper coated. This steel type certainly works better with induction heater oscillator.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13827 on: September 10, 2012, 04:00:39 PM »
Now I scratch my head: How can a circuit with two transformers and two diode bridges and a diode that blocks half of the input power be more effective than a single diode bridge? What is wrong here? ??? ??? ???

The way I see it is simple. Half the feed is already saved right away with diode 1. Then with the transformers and rectifiers, with half and quarter waves he is creating enough flux change in two transformers to equal a single transformer working under straight AC.  Or, something like that. Don't forget that for it to be more efficient, he only has to be better then the 50% and not better then the 100% when straight AC'd.

@Happy and @captainkt

Below is a close-up of the braid inside the plexiglass box before it is connected to the copper braid going the coily coil area and the triple transformer outputs and and the brownish wire that goes to the internal circuits for normal grounding purposes.

See how thin the shield is at that point indicates there is nothing inside. It is the normal thickness. I don't think TK would have been stupid enough to hide a wire inside that shield as it would have been more then obvious.

As for removing the shielding, this cable is designed for video camera usage so it is very flexible outer layer that is very easy to cut with an razor knife without cutting through the first shield. It then slides off very easily regardless of length because the shield can expand off the lower layer and slide right off.

I'll be checking in so please keep the peace and don't burn the house down. lol

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13828 on: September 10, 2012, 04:36:35 PM »
The way I see it is simple. Half the feed is already saved right away with diode 1. Then with the transformers and rectifiers, with half and quarter waves he is creating enough flux change in two transformers to equal a single transformer working under straight AC.  Or, something like that. Don't forget that for it to be more efficient, he only has to be better then the 50% and not better then the 100% when straight AC'd.

@Happy and @captainkt


See how thin the shield is at that point indicates there is nothing inside. It is the normal thickness. I don't think TK would have been stupid enough to hide a wire inside that shield as it would have been more then obvious.


wattsup

This photo does not convince me that there could not have been well insulated ECW conductors inside the braid but I hope you are right and that there is a more than just trickery involved.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13829 on: September 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM »
Quote:  I think this is relevant to TK device because it has 50Hz transformers, diode bridges and capacitors, and it can do something that was worth to patent it (maybe).

In reference to the DC power circuit in the patent. I tested but didn't have time to do any analysis  the results. Note attachment.

 

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