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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13178450 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13395 on: August 24, 2012, 02:33:12 PM »
@a.king21, what about the higher resolution video? Are you able to arrange the promised publishing? We hope some other little details or confirmation from it.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13396 on: August 24, 2012, 03:02:31 PM »



This does not signify anything, except the supply voltage of the spark generator is obviously not sufficient stabilized. More load means the overall voltage of the device goes down and takes the frequency of the spark generator with it.
OK Zeitmaschine: Here is my evidence. Both the description of the device and the schematic talks about a load adjuster in parallel with the output. A load adjuster would take more current when output decreases, and take less current when output increases. Remember it is in parallel with the output. Please do the experiment. Put a dummy load in parallel with your spark gap, and then remove it and observe the scientific result.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13397 on: August 24, 2012, 03:02:59 PM »
Has anyone been able to succesfully replicate the kapanaze generator?
One more guy that can't believe there are no clear results after 895 pages. :(

Can't believe it myself. Could easily be that we are all in the wrong movie.

::) ::) ::)

Put a dummy load in parallel with your spark gap, and then remove it and observe the scientific result.
What dummy load? If the spark fires at 2000V, putting a dummy load of a few ohms (like lamps or heater) parallel to the spark gap the high voltage will never reach 2000V (or more) so the spark will never fire.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13398 on: August 24, 2012, 03:14:36 PM »
@all

This is how I see the base problem. (My opinions only)

Example:

You want 2200 watts to heat up your element.

Now let's say you only have 220V at 5 amps so an output of 1100 watts that is far away from any OU because your real juice going in is 1400 watts.

So your choice is two fold.

A)  Either you find a way to double the 220v amperage from 5 to 10 amps. (or 120v from 10 to 20 amps)

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................................

B) You raise the available low voltage of 220v/5A to 11,000v and 0.1 amps (same energy).
Then you work to raise the 0.1 amps to 0.2 amps and more.

So, which of A or B do you think is easier to accomplish?

Why does it have to be any more complicated then that and again, which method would you prefer to use to tackle the problem? A or B?

Guys have been trying A for decades and decades now with nothing to show for it. All the Romero Wheels work in A. Also trying to increase amperage but the drag gets you all the time.

Most of the greats that have either been suppressed or forgotten have been using B. So why do you think TK is any different when he is concretely showing solid results with outcome of running a heating element for 4.5 hours, with wires so thin, my speakers would choke.

Then question of fake or not........... When you build something for a reason, all the components and connections will have a logical reason that any regular EE will see right away. There is none that are bad in TK's builds. All the wires are always going somewhere logical. So if I ever found, in a TK build, aaaaaaaaaa, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Wire X, it will be a pleasure to show it to all and learn from that. But no wire x yet. How many pages on this thread and no wire x.

It has to be simple.

In the Aq2v....

The triple transformer is the positive potential. Since only the positive is being consumed with its negative left in a limbo of paralleled secondaries. This one polarity usage means the drive system consumes little energy and maybe will take the amperage of the negative as well and give it to the positive side, since it is not needed. Probably those two primaries on 1 and 2 are being used to send back juice to loop the driving system. hehehe

The TK coil (TKc) is the negative potential rectifier next to ground. This whole deal relies on the TKc being able "do something" to trick the negative ground into charging the TKc, so it can be a good negative to the load. The TKc winding is creating many HV convergent lines that are 6 phased, probably causing the ground negative to see it as a much stronger overall potential then it really is, hence piling on more negative potential.

The "load adjuster" is the Coily Coil circuit. It is the only point at output that vary from load to no load since it is basically a glorified short circuit.

The load, any load is a dual potential rectifier by demand because the load itself will be permeated with the HV+ from one side and the charging negative from the other side. The load will bring down high voltage to an RMS value as depicted by the level of heat generated by the load element. This is all done in the load. TK does not see a load like we do. He uses the load as a step-down transformer. He sees the load as another spark gap using resistance instead. Or as a vacuum tube, the load is the space between the anode and cathode.

Time to go back into build mode and experiment with the above notions. I still need to find a good deal on HV wire. Might be one strand 18 awg or thinner muti-strand to total 18 awg, rated 12,000 volts. I don't think I need 25kv.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13399 on: August 24, 2012, 04:25:39 PM »

"  I also thought it was Russia who invaded Georgia. "



Russia or U.N. - no difference.

They are both playing the same game...similar to various players sitting around a 'Monopoly' board.

Regards...



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13400 on: August 24, 2012, 04:39:29 PM »
Then he will be faced with 2 choices hopefully

Tk had his life threatened, in fact survived a direct attempt by Big E.
He may see his choice a little differently, between that real threat and yours.

Bedini was threatened but came out with kits and yahoo mentoring groups where folk learn how to cap charge their monopoles (not in the kits).

TK is motivated to get his work out somehow ex-loss of life or proprietry value
and may be caught between the devil and the deep blue,
it may be that open source is the only way that it can be released into the public domain,
the best thing for him ultimately?

Big thanks for sharing your circuit concept. This helps me figure out more how Tk´s basic 2004 setup compares with the more camouflaged Aquarium device.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13401 on: August 24, 2012, 04:54:03 PM »
How does the TK Circuit work?

With respect to everyone´s more experienced input just now, we agree that:

EVERYTHING works backwards.  (my opinion only)

L1 Primary is brought into resonance by L2a and b.
The power source is the Earth.
Resonance begins with the earth via the "cap-coil" combination (tin-can "auto-resonator").
The load is powered by the L3 pickup from the triple cap-coil resonator.
Overload is fed back to the spark gap.
One of the cap-coils connects to the earthed car radiator
just like a solar panel to the Sun, but as an electro-static collector?

Guys, this is just pure intuition, following your ideas + my guesswork - I am a techy writer not an electronic geek – you are the experts :)

Then why is it that TK can start the aquarium device with a 9V battery?

::)

The device is self-running, therefore it needs only a single capacitor discharge to start the process = self-resonance.  Shokac says via Inverter but I think it is simpler than that.

We need to look at this from the source BACKWARDS view - and how resonance is automatically established by the earth connected coil-cap (tin can) combination, and not from the usual spark-gap input.  We know that “a capacitor is a blocking device, the charge is placed on one side only, the other pulls in from the ambient” (DSmith).

IF the tin-can contains a coil-cap combination then the outer two caps may come into oscillating resonance with the inner earth-coupled cap to create cap charge doubling.
L2a and L2b are coupled to the outer two caps, L3 picksup from the inner.  The incoming DC pulses across all three cap plates.

Since the potential is set by the earth there is no upper limit to the charge - but necessarily the overload is dumped (?) via the spark gap - patent (a.king21)

The TKc winding is creating many HV convergent lines that are 6 phased, probably causing the ground negative to see it as a much stronger overall potential then it really is, hence piling on more negative potential.

The coil-caps are excited by (on start up a single) DC pulsing and then resonant oscillation inflates charge, to be discharged from the earth into the circuit via the load and the feedback.

IF the start power supply is only required to initiate self-recharging resonance then it makes sense the tin-can coil-cap is an auto-resonator combination.

Resonant frequency we know is a product of the inductance of the coil and the capacitance of the plates. I may be wrong with all of this but I think the resonance factor may be moderated by the earth.

Basic concept (don´t laugh):


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13402 on: August 24, 2012, 05:26:12 PM »
@all

This is how I see the base problem. (My opinions only)

Example:

You want 2200 watts to heat up your element.

Now let's say you only have 220V at 5 amps so an output of 1100 watts that is far away from any OU because your real juice going in is 1400 watts.

So your choice is two fold.

A)  Either you find a way to double the 220v amperage from 5 to 10 amps. (or 120v from 10 to 20 amps)

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................................

B) You raise the available low voltage of 220v/5A to 11,000v and 0.1 amps (same energy).
Then you work to raise the 0.1 amps to 0.2 amps and more.

So, which of A or B do you think is easier to accomplish?

wattsup

I would plump for B) but where does the 220V/5A for 4.5hrs come from in the case of TK's aquarium device?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13403 on: August 24, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »
Example:

You want 2200 watts to heat up your element.

Now let's say you only have 220V at 5 amps so an output of 1100 watts that is far away from any OU because your real juice going in is 1400 watts.

So your choice is two fold.

A)  Either you find a way to double the 220v amperage from 5 to 10 amps. (or 120v from 10 to 20 amps)
Take a 220V/50Hz transformer with 1:1 windings. The AC voltage on the primary coil will create a current through this primary coil, this will create a magnetic field moving through the iron core towards the secondary coil, this then will create (induce) a voltage of 220V in the secondary coil. This process takes time (how fast moves a magnetic field inside a piece of iron?), so there should be a phase shift between the primary and the secondary coil. Now make a back loop from the secondary to the primary coil by means of a phase stabilizer (phase shifter, phase delayer), so the max. voltage (50Hz wave) from the secondary coil arrives at the primary coil just at the same time when the initial voltage feed into the primary coil is again on its maximum. This could easily result in a state of resonance.

Haven't tried such simple things yet, hence this is nothing than one more strange idea of mine. :-X

But say, TK's transformer has two secondaries with 110V each, this makes 220V together. Now while experimenting TK thinks he needs more power, because the spark of his experiment (which has nothing to do with FE) is somewhat faint, he connects the 220V output of the transformer with its input (connected to the inverter, not mains) and there you have it. :o

Then question of fake or not........... When you build something for a reason, all the components and connections will have a logical reason that any regular EE will see right away. There is none that are bad in TK's builds. All the wires are always going somewhere logical.
Can't see any logic in the aquarium boxes. Can't see any logic in the patent drawings. Can't see any logic in the descriptions and diagrams which are all around. The only logic that remains is to think illogical. And I have not the slightest idea yet (after 895 pages) which information on the TK device is real and which is disinformation.

It has to be simple.
Yes.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13404 on: August 24, 2012, 05:55:00 PM »
Shokac,

Quote
I try all about I talking!

Question : how did you measure the existence of 23 A ?

Almost an impossibilty what you say:

The reactance of 8 pf at 50 Hz is 2.5 Megaohm !
The inductance of the secondary isdt about 3 to 4 H, Ohmic restistance is about 130 Ohm
Voltage-drop across the 8 pf condenser ( 2.5 MOhm) at 23 A = Xl * I = 57 Million Volt ??!!
Uuhps....
Power consumed in seconday at 23 A, wire of secondary is AWG 28
If a current of 23 A flows through the seconday with 130 Ohm a power of 2990 Watt is flowing through this coil. It will burn down your secondary in seconds, because peak-power is relevant in the wire not mean-power.

Think about this twice, before you make statements like this and claiming that you "try all about you talking"

Regards

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13405 on: August 24, 2012, 06:10:11 PM »
One more guy that can't believe there are no clear results after 895 pages. :(

Can't believe it myself. Could easily be that we are all in the wrong movie.

::) ::) ::)


He he, I was afraid to hear that....  Jea I just hope that movie is not "Die Unendliche Geschichte" he he
Thanks for the reply Zeitgeist...

Schönen Tag noch !!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13406 on: August 24, 2012, 07:55:56 PM »
Speaking about phase shift in a transformer in order to get resonance, what is this guy doing here:

Wesley introduces:" part #1 transformer by Alexander Kugushov" with respect to Tariel Kapanadze

It looks like he is manipulating the core of a 50Hz transformer by means of some magnets. How could this affect the function of the transformer? Could it be that the additional magnets are slowing down the speed of the moving magnetic field in the core, so that the secondary coil goes in (magnetic) resonance with the primary coil?

Just thinking ...

And what happens here:

Simple to build isolation transformer that consumes less power than it gives out

A transformer connected to a second transformer. I'm sure that will cause a delay in the magnetic field flux between input and output. If one hits a proper delay then there could be resonance between the primary and secondary coil.

Just thinking ...

??? ::)

Perhaps it's time to change the movie reel: Load »The Time Machine« and go back to Colorado Springs, 1899. :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13407 on: August 24, 2012, 08:18:50 PM »
yes - you get a short. But it's still on my "to do" list.


Yes - but noting special in the way it is ... but there is always room for improvement.
And without correct measurement someone may think differently.
So sorry for repeating, one important message to all serous electricians:
Run ALWAYS everything you do from the BATTERY as the source, and measure INPUT DC.


Setup: Two 40W bulbs, one direct to source, other through the arrangement.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13408 on: August 24, 2012, 09:02:52 PM »
Shokac,

Question : how did you measure the existence of 23 A ?

Almost an impossibilty what you say:

The reactance of 8 pf at 50 Hz is 2.5 Megaohm !
The inductance of the secondary isdt about 3 to 4 H, Ohmic restistance is about 130 Ohm
Voltage-drop across the 8 pf condenser ( 2.5 MOhm) at 23 A = Xl * I = 57 Million Volt ??!!
Uuhps....
Power consumed in seconday at 23 A, wire of secondary is AWG 28
If a current of 23 A flows through the seconday with 130 Ohm a power of 2990 Watt is flowing through this coil. It will burn down your secondary in seconds, because peak-power is relevant in the wire not mean-power.

Think about this twice, before you make statements like this and claiming that you "try all about you talking"

Regards

Kator01

First!

induntace of secundary on MOT is cca 60H....

Try again with matematics....


p.s

Not forgeret that is secundar in resonace!

Try this:


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13409 on: August 24, 2012, 10:09:58 PM »
@all

This is how I see the base problem. (My opinions only)

Example:

You want 2200 watts to heat up your element.

Now let's say you only have 220V at 5 amps so an output of 1100 watts that is far away from any OU because your real juice going in is 1400 watts.

So your choice is two fold.

A)  Either you find a way to double the 220v amperage from 5 to 10 amps. (or 120v from 10 to 20 amps)

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................................

B) You raise the available low voltage of 220v/5A to 11,000v and 0.1 amps (same energy).
Then you work to raise the 0.1 amps to 0.2 amps and more.

So, which of A or B do you think is easier to accomplish?

Why does it have to be any more complicated then that and again, which method would you prefer to use to tackle the problem? A or B?

Guys have been trying A for decades and decades now with nothing to show for it. All the Romero Wheels work in A. Also trying to increase amperage but the drag gets you all the time.

Most of the greats that have either been suppressed or forgotten have been using B. So why do you think TK is any different when he is concretely showing solid results with outcome of running a heating element for 4.5 hours, with wires so thin, my speakers would choke.

Then question of fake or not........... When you build something for a reason, all the components and connections will have a logical reason that any regular EE will see right away. There is none that are bad in TK's builds. All the wires are always going somewhere logical. So if I ever found, in a TK build, aaaaaaaaaa, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Wire X, it will be a pleasure to show it to all and learn from that. But no wire x yet. How many pages on this thread and no wire x.

It has to be simple.

In the Aq2v....

The triple transformer is the positive potential. Since only the positive is being consumed with its negative left in a limbo of paralleled secondaries. This one polarity usage means the drive system consumes little energy and maybe will take the amperage of the negative as well and give it to the positive side, since it is not needed. Probably those two primaries on 1 and 2 are being used to send back juice to loop the driving system. hehehe

The TK coil (TKc) is the negative potential rectifier next to ground. This whole deal relies on the TKc being able "do something" to trick the negative ground into charging the TKc, so it can be a good negative to the load. The TKc winding is creating many HV convergent lines that are 6 phased, probably causing the ground negative to see it as a much stronger overall potential then it really is, hence piling on more negative potential.

The "load adjuster" is the Coily Coil circuit. It is the only point at output that vary from load to no load since it is basically a glorified short circuit.

The load, any load is a dual potential rectifier by demand because the load itself will be permeated with the HV+ from one side and the charging negative from the other side. The load will bring down high voltage to an RMS value as depicted by the level of heat generated by the load element. This is all done in the load. TK does not see a load like we do. He uses the load as a step-down transformer. He sees the load as another spark gap using resistance instead. Or as a vacuum tube, the load is the space between the anode and cathode.

Time to go back into build mode and experiment with the above notions. I still need to find a good deal on HV wire. Might be one strand 18 awg or thinner muti-strand to total 18 awg, rated 12,000 volts. I don't think I need 25kv.

wattsup

Hi about having let say 2000 V 0.1 Amp or 200 V 1 amp.  If you use the 3 phase transformer, input 220 V X 1 amp = 220W, output 3 times 2200 V @ 0.1 Amp, do you have 660 W ??

 

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