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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16407226 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13230 on: August 18, 2012, 08:07:31 PM »
forget :-(

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« Reply #13231 on: August 18, 2012, 08:25:10 PM »
It is posible to output power of the aquarium to be 700-1000V. I think, it is posible the heater to be modified. In normal condition, all three heater elements are put in parallel, but if you put elements in series you need high voltage. Hallogen heater use 30% less energy then normal heater.
The same is for bulbs. Hallogen elements have more fiabillity than normal elements. You can use over tension than normal use due higher resistivity. Nobody see how are bulbs connected in TK previous movies. Of course clampmeters indicate high amperage, but clampmeters can be easily manipulated to show what you want to show(more or less).
   This is why TK don't his invention to illuminate his house, he need to put in series more bulbs and interrupters will be destroyed afer first or second use.
And of course don't forget the inductance of heater elements...

Good points raised here. In the absence of hard data on the electrical characteristics of the heater / lamps, leaves it down to pure speculation as to exactly what is driving the load.

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« Reply #13232 on: August 18, 2012, 08:59:20 PM »
@jbignes5

I reality this is not the place to discuss such issues.Let's just stick to the main points and we can always discuss about other things on another thread, when we have more time. lol

@all

About power to run the heating elements, anyone want to take a similar type and run it at 120v or 220v, you will see  how much energy is required, in parallel or in series does not matter, power is power and TK is obviously producing enough of it to do the job during 4.5 hours. I don't think there are any tricks. As for connecting this to the house mains, that is a secondary issue and not even important right now, and actually a great problem to solve when the time comes.

For the TK coil, I did a quick turns count because I would like to make one as close to his as possible.

What I have found is the following...
1st and 2nd layers are 64 turns each.
3rd and 4th layers are 32 turns each.
5th and 6th layers are 16 turns each.

Wire is either 12 or 14 AWG.

I will build it with 14 AWG multistrand (not litz) wire.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13233 on: August 18, 2012, 09:05:56 PM »
About the logical part, that is my middle name.
Some more logic of mine: In the 100KW presentation there is no spark gap, not even an electronic one. If there would have been one and the current in those huge coils would have been driven by high voltage in combination with high frequency the whole environment would have been massively polluted with electromagnetic waves, disturbing all kinds of electronics nearby.

During my experiments with a spark gap and a little coil (size to fit in one hand) my keyboard and my computer mouse went crazy just three meters away. Not to mention the noise in the radio next room.

Hence my best guess is, all prominent displayed TK coils do nothing at all. They are just there to mystify the observers.

The point is, why should investors invest in a device that obviously pollutes the environment with electromagnetic waves, except the investors know that the coils (and sparks) are there for decoration purpose only?

8)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13234 on: August 18, 2012, 09:26:07 PM »

About power to run the heating elements, anyone want to take a similar type and run it at 120v or 220v, you will see  how much energy is required, in parallel or in series does not matter, power is power and TK is obviously producing enough of it to do the job during 4.5 hours. I don't think there are any tricks.
wattsup

Can we be absolutely sure that it did run for 4.5hrs? Who witnessed this - the investors, the testers (who clearly did not test it thoroughly) or are we accepting TK's word for it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13235 on: August 18, 2012, 09:31:33 PM »
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Then why did they got to all the trouble of making metal boxes on which the large coils were standing on? No one does anything for nothing my friend. Everything has a purpose. Count how many coil towers he used in the demo, then put them all together to output, each tower, in its smaller way was producing a part of the total output. Each tower is an independent functional unit. Each tower can have a spark, not one huge spark for all towers.

So, otherwise, tell me how you can plan to produce a make/break that will last more then five minutes in such an environment?

I know very well about the spark effects on keyboards, etc. I live with that every day. Does a furnace ignitor wreck havoc on home devices? Hmmmmm. Do your car spark plugs wreck havoc with your car radio. Everything has a solution and a time to apply that solution so I fail to see the logic of saying the Tent demo had no spark gaps.

Also those havoc effects are very frequency dependent. Change the frequency and the problem is solved. The right frequency to run the TK devices may be a frequency that does not play havoc with anything.

I would say the contrary. Given the size of those towers, the spark gap needed to be much stronger and this is why they put those metal boxes in place, otherwise that  Tent demo would have sounded like a firing squad. Again, why else would you go to all the trouble of sourcing for those boxes or having them specially made, when a simple table would have been all that is required to keep them off the ground. Now if you are hiding capacitors in those boxes, then again, why use metal boxes?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13236 on: August 18, 2012, 10:35:28 PM »
Then why did they got to all the trouble of making metal boxes on which the large coils were standing on? No one does anything for nothing my friend.
Except Kapanadze. See both aquarium boxes filled with garbage electronics.

Do your car spark plugs wreck havoc with your car radio.
As soon as I connect a huge unshielded coil to the spark plugs.

Again, why else would you go to all the trouble of sourcing for those boxes or having them specially made, when a simple table would have been all that is required to keep them off the ground.
To shield the frequencies that the device uses in order to prevent unauthorized measurements. If the frequencies would run through the huge coils everyone could measure them unnoticed at a distance. And as we know, Kapanadze freaks out if someone wants to measure the frequencies of his device.

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« Reply #13237 on: August 18, 2012, 11:11:42 PM »
Well it also seems that there is two different kinds of induction. One is of the heavy current type or magnetic induction and the other is of the high voltage kind or electric field(static) induction. Both use the same kind of rules but they seem to be of opposite character. Both are also related to each other at the zero line. Meaning they are tied to the zero point but radiate oppositely (90 degrees). etc etc.


Here is something similar:


[size=125%]Motional Electric Field Associated with Moving Charges

http://archive.org/download/MotionalElectricFieldAssociatedWithMovingCharges/motional-electric-fields-kyle-klicker-tbc.pdf


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13238 on: August 18, 2012, 11:41:48 PM »
Zeitmaschine

I agree with the you ,the sparks are to fake out the investors,along with a lot of other things.

Wattsup
,in the time you were in the tpu thread didn't you learn anything about deception,sm can fake out anyone,make fools of anyone.
TK is on the same level.The amount of power this device generates to waste 100 watts on a spark show is nothing,TK is very paranoid that someone will figure out hes device,the same as sm was, so he hides it under a lightning show,sm hid it under its a tesla invention.Sm faked out the original members of the tpu thread of which you were one,and I also was one,he only faked me out in the beginning,he still fakes out other original members to this day nothing has changed and they still don't listen,I gave up on them,a long time ago.
I do agree with your assessment of the patients there useless unfortunately.

The best shot at solving TK's secret is the transformer.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13239 on: August 19, 2012, 12:35:57 AM »
@cheappower2012

The only relationship I can see between SM and TK is they used the same cameraman for TKs last video. Really, you cannot compare them. SM was a loner. TK has his clan. SM will die with his secrets. TK will pass them on to his clan. SM loved boys. TK, hope not. lol

Listen, there are many views but regardless, all has to be tried and guys will try them all. If you remove the TK coil and the spark gap, you are left with nothing so we may as well pack up the lab and move to Timbuckto (because Beverly Hills is taken). lol

My only last question on that last video is this.

The TK coil is blue wire. We see a blue wire soldered to the triple transformer. Is that wire going to the TK coil? And if yes, it seems to be a single strand and not a multi-strand. If that is the case then this is definitely a game changer if the TK coil is wound with a single stand, probably high voltage wire. I already have my 14 awg multi-strand but will wait to see if anyone has anything or if there is another photo available that can clarify this very important question.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13240 on: August 19, 2012, 01:43:19 AM »
 Hello... Anyone home?  Hasn't  anyone thought to put this in the same light as Mary Ainsley's heater circuit? It is the very same concept except at a much larger configuration. This stuff is much different then normal electricity. It works way more efficiently then regular electricity and to boot you don't need to convert it because that is a part of the of the method here. The heating elements are configured much the same as a coil if I remember that Turkey video right. Remember that this stuff energizes different metals with different effects and the Turkey video is done on a much different scale and configuration then the other videos as well.


 The Turkey video is done in a Tesla style but the other are not done in the same method. Two distinctly different circuits with two different configurations. Don't get them confused. If you were attempting to discover what he has done among all the different videos, Gosh no wonder you guys are confused. Although the basic concept is the same the fields are much different. The 2004 video in the back yard has the radiator element (heavy copper coil) closely tied to the load coil. The Turkey video is a broad field implementation with a Tesla coil radiator near but not surrounding the drive coils. No wonder why you guys are waffling back and forth about the method.


 I tell you what pick one video and lets figure that out and not refer to many many different videos. It's much less confusing.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13241 on: August 19, 2012, 02:14:23 AM »
Here is something similar:


[size=125%]Motional Electric Field Associated with Moving Charges

http://archive.org/download/MotionalElectricFieldAssociatedWithMovingCharges/motional-electric-fields-kyle-klicker-tbc.pdf


 There it is. I knew it was somewhere but my memory is becoming rather vague of late. I'm not getting better and my back is getting worse. Pain has a way of distracting you from things like a great memory I once had.


 This is a prime example of the theory of Hooper. Somewhere in there we need to look and see if what I had proposed is correct. If there are errors in the concept of magnetism we should be able to figure this out from what was observed by Hooper and Kicker. Leedskalnin should be looked at as well to see if the magnetism is something more internal and then converts to the electric field on the outside of matter. Or some process like that.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13242 on: August 19, 2012, 04:18:34 AM »
Zeitmaschine

I agree with the you ,the sparks are to fake out the investors,along with a lot of other things.

Wattsup
,in the time you were in the tpu thread didn't you learn anything about deception,sm can fake out anyone,make fools of anyone.
TK is on the same level.The amount of power this device generates to waste 100 watts on a spark show is nothing,TK is very paranoid that someone will figure out hes device,the same as sm was, so he hides it under a lightning show,sm hid it under its a tesla invention.Sm faked out the original members of the tpu thread of which you were one,and I also was one,he only faked me out in the beginning,he still fakes out other original members to this day nothing has changed and they still don't listen,I gave up on them,a long time ago.
I do agree with your assessment of the patients there useless unfortunately.

The best shot at solving TK's secret is the transformer.

I disagree that the spark gap is to fake out investors.  If you have experienced the flashless discharge then you know very well that a large amount of energy is there and if you allow it to rise it will find it own path and everything is fair game.  The spark gap shows then process is working and the excess is dumped to ground. 

Remember what they all agreed on: a shortage of energy will not be the problem, quite the opposite

To be honest, is really doesn't matter how TK is actually configuring his system.  The principles are the same.  You send a pulse to a coil with a breaking configuration.  The energy is manifest at right angles to the coil.  You use to this by magnetic induction or electrostatic induction.

The transformer is irrelevant.

 TK might as well have painted smiley faces and flowers on it, along with his middle finger.  His secret is safely hidden in the box.

As for SM, he is still around.  His last incarnation was as "TheBuzz", harbinger  of "cavitation".  Once you call him out, he cowers like the whelp that he is.

Apparently, v8Karlo's device does not exhibit the charging effect, o it is therefore inadequate and nothing more that a curiosity.




 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13243 on: August 19, 2012, 04:38:27 AM »
  Does anybody see any value in transforming 1volt for 1 microsecond to 30,000 volts for 1 microsecond?  Doesn't amperage (work done) = voltage/resistance.   Why do we increase the impedance and resistance of a stepup transformer secondary?  Wouldn't it be wise to lower the impedance and resistance of the secondary therefore getting current gains in the output circuits that are directly proportional to voltage increase.  Why was Tesla so fascinated with highvoltage (impulse) electricity?  Why did Westinghouse continue to make saturable core transformers when Tesla showed him his air core transformers?  Does a spark gap have to short to transfer power to the secondary or can it be used as a variable capacitor to couple the primary to the secondary? 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13244 on: August 19, 2012, 04:45:42 AM »
Some more logic of mine: In the 100KW presentation there is no spark gap, not even an electronic one. If there would have been one and the current in those huge coils would have been driven by high voltage in combination with high frequency the whole environment would have been massively polluted with electromagnetic waves, disturbing all kinds of electronics nearby.

During my experiments with a spark gap and a little coil (size to fit in one hand) my keyboard and my computer mouse went crazy just three meters away. Not to mention the noise in the radio next room.

Hence my best guess is, all prominent displayed TK coils do nothing at all. They are just there to mystify the observers.

The point is, why should investors invest in a device that obviously pollutes the environment with electromagnetic waves, except the investors know that the coils (and sparks) are there for decoration purpose only?

 8)


 Did you miss the huge Tesla coil behind the towers twords the right of the platform. There was a huge Tesla coil there Complete with it's circuitry. Now I'm gonna have to re-watch the video yet again and pull pictures of the whole thing.

 Oh wait Stivep might have them. Stivep you still around?

 Found it. Do you see the coil with wooden dowels?? Thats a plain old Tesla coil. The one closest to the camera? Oh and the caps are right between the metal box and the left most coil. This is actually just like Tesla's experiment with all the coils within his Colorado experiment. Except these are outside of the primary ring which in that case was a whopping 90 or so feet across. I'll see if I can get that picture as well.

 Ok added the two pictures I could find. Sorry about the quality but it's the best I can do at the moment. The last is so small it's useless really but it gives you a taste of what I meant.