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cheappower2012

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13215 on: August 18, 2012, 03:09:04 PM »
ok,I see were your coming from,one big mistake that a.king21 and company made was not measuring the voltage at the heater plug,and frequency.

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« Reply #13216 on: August 18, 2012, 03:29:33 PM »
Output voltage and output current have to be measured simultaneously, not separately, to estimate the output power.
Great, now most of those people will connect two multimeters simultaneously and multiply their readings.  See what you have done ?! ;)

verpies, i think that is the first time i ever seen you smile.

take care.

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« Reply #13217 on: August 18, 2012, 03:44:18 PM »
@x_name-41

Just to confirm that your TK coil winding diagram is very correct.

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg331464/#msg331464

Basically the TK coil only has one wire in and one wire out, hence it cannot be a coupling coil.

Thanks for your works.

@v8karlo

High voltage is nothing really. We have all done it. But put the output on a dioded capacitor that has a bulb load and a volt meter to really see what the output is will be the most determining factor. HV alone will not do it. But read on.

@verpies

I have a theoretical question. If I took that heater element and fed it 10kv or 15kv, with that Earth ground going to one side of the element and I was able to adjust for .1 to .2 amps, will that element heat up? What I mean by this question is if the element was already receiving high voltage, then the ground wire does not have to be any thicker then what he was using.

Of course if the element was receiving 220 volt, then of course the amperage would have to in the 20 amps range and of course that ground wire would never be enough. But at high voltage, that wire should not be a problem.

So what if TK is just producing high voltage in the many ways he has already shown us with his many builds. HV is HV regardless of how you produce it. The trick is HV with amperage and I think he is using the TK coil to simply increase amperage of his HV. A slight increase of HV amperage means a great increase on the load. HV going to such a resistive load, the load will slow down the voltage to usable voltage and that will change the dynamics and back up inside the TK coil changing the TK coil HV to stabilised voltage.

In the first instance of power, the HV reaches the load as HV but then the voltage drops in the load and that drop backs up inside the TK coil to also become part of the load.

@all

Since TK has shown that producing the HV with different methods is not the problem, I gather that they are using the TK coil to augment the HV amperage but only if the right frequency is found. It's always about the frequency (yes, and duty).

I put down a small diagram of how the TK coil could be working since we now know it is only one wire wound through all 6 layers. This alone is a great step forward.

This dispels any possibility of classic coil to coil coupling and can therefore only mean he is passing the HV through the coil to increase amperage, since he already was producing the voltage. The slightest increase in amperage would equal a rather generous increase when the HV hits the load that will act as a stabilizer. Since the load is hit by HV, the ground side does not require a very fat wire, so what they used in the Aquarium 2 video could be very plausible.

In the green box TK coil, TK most likely wound a second dummy coil over the two layer side of the true TK coil to add some distracting feature to the coil. That's why his 6 turn fat coil was still positioned over only one end of the TK coil. Hmmmmm. Also notice that the voltage/amperage was always measured with the load on so that's why we did not see any reading in the 10kv range or more. The load kept the reactive HV down so his guy could measure it with his meter and the HV increased amperage kept the load lit.

Starting to make sense and this gives me some great lines of experimentation. hehehe

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« Reply #13218 on: August 18, 2012, 04:04:30 PM »
 V8karlo

try to charge capacitor with one side to ground and other to metal plate near coil setup

If is back and forth use bridge rectifier between plate and capacitor
   

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« Reply #13219 on: August 18, 2012, 04:20:18 PM »
So what if TK is just producing high voltage in the many ways he has already shown us with his many builds. HV is HV regardless of how you produce it. The trick is HV with amperage and I think he is using the TK coil to simply increase amperage of his HV. A slight increase of HV amperage means a great increase on the load. HV going to such a resistive load, the load will slow down the voltage to usable voltage and that will change the dynamics and back up inside the TK coil changing the TK coil HV to stabilised voltage.

In the first instance of power, the HV reaches the load as HV but then the voltage drops in the load and that drop backs up inside the TK coil to also become part of the load.
Don't focus too much on high voltage. Because in both of the TK patents there is nowhere any mention of high voltage. That means either the device does not need high voltage in order to function (the sparks are only decoys), or the device does need high voltage, then both TK patents are invalid due to the omission of the high voltage as a key feature of the device. But why would TK have filed patents in the knowledge that they are invalid?

Just thinking logical...

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« Reply #13220 on: August 18, 2012, 04:28:03 PM »
On the serious side, there is almost no scientific literature about the influence of nuclear precession (e.g. NMR) on the nuclear decay, so this is a promising and unexplored area of science. 
All of the other stuff has already been beaten to death.

i can relate to this. i was scared off by the use of the acronym, nmr. it is the nuclear part that got got me. magnetic resonance was also hard for me to grasp.

but my take on it now is precessional proton resonance.

i've uploaded some 'conventional' nmr how to documents:
Low-field Classroom Nuclear Magnetic Resonance System (February 2010).djvu
CMOS RF Biosensor Utilizing Nuclear (May 2009).pdf

home built nmr spectrometer videos from youtube user plenum88:
1 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2n1-nvo7d4
2 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf3r9Db0TSs
3 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb5VQbNc_Q

he's got more documentation and references here: http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/NMR/NMR.html

viewing the videos frantz posted help me with my fear of nmr:
Maybe this video series will be usefull for understanding processes inside TK coil.
Fist part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg&feature=channel&list=UL

i think stivep was trying to tell us this a while back, as well as others going way back on other threads, and i think the yoke was another example of using nmr as well as many other devices discussed on this forum. T-1000 continues to bring nmr up once in a while as well.

thanks.

take care.

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« Reply #13221 on: August 18, 2012, 04:33:52 PM »
ooppps.

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« Reply #13222 on: August 18, 2012, 05:08:06 PM »
Don't focus too much on high voltage. Because in both of the TK patents there is nowhere any mention of high voltage. That means either the device does not need high voltage in order to function (the sparks are only decoys), or the device does need high voltage, then both TK patents ...

To get spark at spark gap you need radio frequency surely ?
If a.king is right about SG as current limiter, what frequency limit applies?

If 220V AC 50Hz square wave from Inverter is going to standard looking transformer (+rectifier?)
SG is being driven by ?V pulsed DC ?

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« Reply #13223 on: August 18, 2012, 05:19:01 PM »

 Well it also seems that there is two different kinds of induction. One is of the heavy current type or magnetic induction and the other is of the high voltage kind or electric field(static) induction. Both use the same kind of rules but they seem to be of opposite character. Both are also related to each other at the zero line. Meaning they are tied to the zero point but radiate oppositely (90 degrees).


 Everyone assumes they are the same and I assure you they are not. In fact one is very very limited to very near field and the other is very expansive and reaches to near infinity. One would never exist without the other and since the heavy magnetic one does go far it would be very very important to limit it's reach and conduct it into a channel(ferrous or iron). The electric field is tied or anchored to the heavy electric one and can be moved with that heavy field locked in a channel. This was Stivep's problem. The voltages he needed to make it safe were not used and the heavy component spilled out into the environment effecting the humans around the device. But if you limit the current through a gap or any other good method to cut the current You gain all the expansive higher voltages without having to worry so much about the heavy magnetic interference.


 Once you have the current-less field it will effect a heavy current channel(wire) It does this by using fluid dynamic rules. For instance wires become hoses and the pressure to that hose is the electric field. Do this one simple experiment for your own truth of the matter. Take a drinking straw and insert it into your favorite drink. Suck the drink up to your lips and stop sucking. Now placing your fingers on the staw, thumb on one side index finger on the other and pinch the straw on the end closest to the drink and raise your pinched fingers twords your lips. Enjoy the drink.


 In the case of TK he uses the smallest disruptive discharge (spark gap) to create a pressure much like your pinching of your fingers on the straw. The heavy copper around the load coil is the fingers with the electric field of the disruptive discharge being the pinching force of the inner coil(hose, straw). As the disruptive discharge moves along the heavy coil it pinches the load coil and draws it twords one end allowing a pumping action on the load coil. Attaching to the load coil on one end to the ground allows for the load to draw freely what it needs and siphons energy into the load. I think it is very necessary to do this or you create a vacuum that will be counter productive. But it doesn't need a ground to work really. It can work with a virtual ground(antennas or plate mass) as well as long as it can equalize the vacuum that is created. Of course the virtual ground will be less efficient then when using a ground but none the less it should work.


 Now if you remember my explanation of why he used two grounds you would see that he was trying to reduce the vacuum and be able to use lower voltages because he was pulling from the earth and depositing to the earth using a balanced circular flow between two spots on the ground. That part was Tesla's idea for which it is very valid.


 This link shows all the information about using disruptive discharges to power devices. It shows how to create a pump from an oscillator that works with the earth or even a heavy piece of copper bar. [size=78%]http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm[/size]


 It shows that using two separate spots on anything that can conduct will allow for creation and harvesting the nodes through eddy currents between two nodes. Figure 6 shows the nodes that are created on a Dotted line (wire). And the eddy currents can and will be very powerful as per my earlier arguments about eddy currents and power problems with noise in house wiring when ground loops <-eddy current are detected. Like I have said before these currents can be very dangerous as I have seen Utility ground connections that were 3 inches in diameter turn cherry red without effecting the power in the slightest besides the safety of starting a fire and the noise put onto the power system from that loop. The Technician that was there could not believe that the system was not drawing anything extra but the ground connection was exhibiting dangerous effects. Once the faulty device was replaced by me did this condition go away. The Technician had already left after turning the power off to the customer. during the off time the customer wanted the service on and after disconnecting all equipment from the service I got permission to turn the power back on via the power panel. The red ground did not come back after 2 days and the Technician came back the next day to find the system running perfectly fine. We started plugging in device after device looking for the culprit and found out that an AC system was the problem. The unit was removed and replaced with a brand new AC unit and the problem never came back. So somehow it was looping with something for which we never found out what the other object was. It could have been anything even next door neighbors improper connections. Obviously the unit was defective but it seems to be operating fine.


 Ground loops are a strange thing and is usually the main problem when noise on a electrical system is very high and disruptive to sensitive equipment on a power system. In architectural planning you need to know aout things like ground loops especially if you are working with metal in a building. It could be that TK learned of this and decided that it could be used for effective power generation if it was done right. Why should it be a nuisance if so much current is flowing in the loop itself. If one was to use a coil in a loop wouldn't it raise the voltage many many times till there is very little current to loose? Wouldn't the electric field become very very large? and couldn't you harvest the electric field via the special electric field induction rules I mentioned before?


 Why do we have to complicate this sooo much and bury the idea because it isn't complicated enough? The dig difference in the two fields is the way they propagate. Magnetic fields propagate parallel to the origin where electric fields propagate longitudinally along the electric field lines, nothing is lost in the electric field lines because of the way they connect and propagate. Magnetic fields are lossy and electric fields are not lossy if it is designed so. Other wise sparks and arcs would dissipate very fast and they don't. in fact they tend to seek out the opposite connection to compensate the vacuum created by the discharge in a system. If it doesn't have an opposite it then does in fact dissipate in intensity but the general bulk of the energy is only spread over a much larger area but still very connected and should have the same potential as it did when it was very concentrated at the source.


 This is where I bring in Very large bodies like planets. the processes involved inside of a living planet are very clear now. Lots of rubbing and heat generation but when did we loose the fact that when you rub things together that a very high potential of static electricity gets manifested. This internal potential causes a great many things to happen. Gravity is one effect is an electrical induction effect of this new kind of induction. It also moves a very heavy magnetic component as well and is evident by our own planets magnetic field. Our atmosphere is also a reaction of collected particles from space. Oxygen is a byproduct of water and water is very reactive to the static of a comb so would be attracted to our potential and stick around the planet in the atmosphere we see today.


 Tesla was reporting that he could control weather and what is weather made up of? Water mostly right? Or the lack of it? Why do you think he said he could turn a desert into a plush and lush environment?


 Damit I'm sorry for getting to far off the beaten path. We do need to get back to the basics. Just like the PMH we need to learn how to work with the current loop and get a whole bunch of work for one single input. Once the loop is formed we should be able to tap it for way more energy then it took to form the loop. TK shows this and is nothing more then a simple man who used a simple pest to most  to harvest what he needs.


 He is no con man and nothing more then the average joe who looked outside of the box and grasped the idea with great simplified understanding. You got to understand that nothing can block this new form of induction other then a self terminated coil<-reflector. I also believe this is why TK has the coil overlap itself where the thick copper coil isn't covering the inner coil.

 *Edit* I am sure I am not 100% correct about everything I have stated but I am willing to bet that I have a majority of this correct.

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« Reply #13224 on: August 18, 2012, 05:48:52 PM »
Don't focus too much on high voltage. Because in both of the TK patents there is nowhere any mention of high voltage. That means either the device does not need high voltage in order to function (the sparks are only decoys), or the device does need high voltage, then both TK patents are invalid due to the omission of the high voltage as a key feature of the device. But why would TK have filed patents in the knowledge that they are invalid?

Just thinking logical...

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I think you should forget the patent. Patents cost money. Money TK probably did not have on hand so he obviously had to find some investors. Those investors are the ones who probably insisted on patenting the device if they were to then finance any more advancements. Those investors probably did not know any of the technicals so TK just put up some nice reading points together and hatched a patent to satisfy them. But once they went over the actual patent and realized it really says nothing, protects nothing and their investment went to waste, all hell must have broken loose and TK was left to his on devices. Since then he is just surviving from on stink to the next because regardless of what he or the patent might say, investors only have one thing in mind, making billions on a ground floor opportunity, because investors are already conditioned in the mindset of "High Risk Reaps High Returns". Suckers.

About the logical part, that is my middle name.

Some of my logic differs from most because I take a different perspective on what the ether is. For me it is ether piling onto your energized coil that produces the magnetic field and not the coil that produces the field itself. From that perspective, most everything in the common EE makes more sense to me this way then the illogical stance it has taken for over 150 years thinking the coil is generating the field. For me there is no such thing as a field collapse. Only field release, because it is coming in from the outside of the coil and being released back to the outside of the coil. Otherwise explain to me how an outer field is so well trained to then re-enter the coil as field collapse. Anyways, I could go on and on about that but realize there is no point to try and overturn a rock, it will always be a rock on the other side. hehehe. But I am working on a major method of experiments to show these and prove it once and for all. We have been playing with ether since the first coil was energized and Faraday just had it wrong from the start. But that is only my opinion from a few years of "logical" questionings.

As far as spark being a decoy, that would fly right in the face of any "logical" OU endeavor since you are saying that this great spark is just a waste of energy to be used as a decoy. What OU device has so much power to waste as a decoy and still light up the load. That is not logical, nor practical.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13225 on: August 18, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
It is posible to output power of the aquarium to be 700-1000V. I think, it is posible the heater to be modified. In normal condition, all three heater elements are put in parallel, but if you put elements in series you need high voltage. Hallogen heater use 30% less energy then normal heater.
The same is for bulbs. Hallogen elements have more fiabillity than normal elements. You can use over tension than normal use due higher resistivity. Nobody see how are bulbs connected in TK previous movies. Of course clampmeters indicate high amperage, but clampmeters can be easily manipulated to show what you want to show(more or less).
   This is why TK don't his invention to illuminate his house, he need to put in series more bulbs and interrupters will be destroyed afer first or second use.
And of course don't forget the inductance of heater elements...

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« Reply #13226 on: August 18, 2012, 07:21:54 PM »
@Zeitmaschine

I think you should forget the patent. Patents cost money. Money TK probably did not have on hand so he obviously had to find some investors. Those investors are the ones who probably insisted on patenting the device if they were to then finance any more advancements. Those investors probably did not know any of the technicals so TK just put up some nice reading points together and hatched a patent to satisfy them. But once they went over the actual patent and realized it really says nothing, protects nothing and their investment went to waste, all hell must have broken loose and TK was left to his on devices. Since then he is just surviving from on stink to the next because regardless of what he or the patent might say, investors only have one thing in mind, making billions on a ground floor opportunity, because investors are already conditioned in the mindset of "High Risk Reaps High Returns". Suckers.

About the logical part, that is my middle name.

Some of my logic differs from most because I take a different perspective on what the ether is. For me it is ether piling onto your energized coil that produces the magnetic field and not the coil that produces the field itself. From that perspective, most everything in the common EE makes more sense to me this way then the illogical stance it has taken for over 150 years thinking the coil is generating the field. For me there is no such thing as a field collapse. Only field release, because it is coming in from the outside of the coil and being released back to the outside of the coil. Otherwise explain to me how an outer field is so well trained to then re-enter the coil as field collapse. Anyways, I could go on and on about that but realize there is no point to try and overturn a rock, it will always be a rock on the other side. hehehe. But I am working on a major method of experiments to show these and prove it once and for all. We have been playing with ether since the first coil was energized and Faraday just had it wrong from the start. But that is only my opinion from a few years of "logical" questionings.

As far as spark being a decoy, that would fly right in the face of any "logical" OU endeavor since you are saying that this great spark is just a waste of energy to be used as a decoy. What OU device has so much power to waste as a decoy and still light up the load. That is not logical, nor practical.

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 Lol this reminds me of the half empty crowd and the half full crowd. I think I would argue that there is no field inside of anything if we look at the rules for static electrical events. The matter is simply energized and the outside of the wire is the only moving fields. Weather those be magnetic or electric in nature. It also depends on what kind of field you choose. Magnetic seems to be different from the electric field in many ways. One being in distance from the wire. Orientation of the field lines are another difference where the electric field tends to go from the wire radially and the magnetic goes parallel to the wire which in my opinion one supports the other. Unless the magnetic is pulled into something that can channel it. This could also lend credence to Leedskalnins descriptions of magnetic current in the wires to a degree. With iron and ferrites being an attractive channel to the magnetic. Well more so then wires. It could be we have misinterpreted the magnetic which could be wholly internal current with the electric field which is wholly external. If we have done as such all fields external to the magnetic channels are electric in nature and the matter is what makes it magnetic by holding the field lines parallel to each other in the matter.


 As to the spark issue. I don't think the spark is exactly the clue here. It is the gap that is important. The separation of the circuit is what converts the magnetic current into an electric field that then organizes itself to complete the circuit.


 One clue to this is the very strange happenings of what Gray was working with. His power tube was an attempt to harvest the broadband emission of the spark gap and to create a screen that would strip the field collapse into a load(motor field and rotor coils).
 
 Your view on the field of a coil is how I use to see it working but now it seems to me that the only thing we are seeing as an return impulse or BEMF is just the response of the environment that the electric field of the coil displaced when the coil was energized or pulsed. try understanding that the vacuum of space is a reverse pressure. Creating a bubble in the water for instance put a very large pressure on the surface of the bubble from the water surrounding it. In this case we are creating a bubble of a different sort and the pressure to collapse is huge but of a different nature then the bubble itself. So the response is very high voltage of the opposite qualities that effects the coil as the coils own field collapses.


 I just wanted to pose a few alternative examples that might change your view a bit about what we are doing when we pulse coils.

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« Reply #13227 on: August 18, 2012, 07:34:59 PM »
Sometimes for A reading attach small car lamp 12V, 1A and measure in series,
just to have any load and at 1200V setup I measured 550-600mA, but often I just
do it without load and than is 900-1100mA (1.1A).

Karlo,

Are you saying that your voltage and current measurements were obtained like this?:

1) Voltage measurement is taken open circuit (no load), with a voltage meter on DC volts.
2) Current measurement is taken with either a 2uF capacitor as a load, or a 12V 1A car lamp as load, or sometimes no load at all, just a short circuit through the DC ammeter. The current meter is in series and reading DC milliamps.

Is this correct?

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« Reply #13228 on: August 18, 2012, 07:42:57 PM »
My last setup can gain 980 mA /1200V from 250mA / 12 V input from PC power supply with
help of backfeed.

Karlo,

Are you claiming a power gain of nearly 400 times?

i.e. 1176W / 3W = 392


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« Reply #13229 on: August 18, 2012, 07:57:50 PM »
Be serious. How TK can connect this to his home electric system if this is high frequency DC not 50Hz 230V AC ? The best thing is I'm pretty sure it can be made safe to touch with better control !