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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 14359363 times)

Offline Shokac

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11970 on: June 12, 2012, 09:52:31 PM »
How to Make High Voltage Using Capacitors     

Capacitors can store and discharge electric currents. A capacitor is an electrical component that stores up currents when you pass voltage through it. When the voltage across the capacitor drops, it discharges the stored current. The more voltage you charge a capacitor with, the more energy it stores. Capacitors don't generate voltage, but each capacitor has a specific voltage rating. The voltage rating indicates the maximum voltage rating that a capacitor can handle before it explodes. You can wire multiple capacitors together to create what is effectively a single capacitor with a very high voltage rating. If you have a high voltage power source you can charge a "capacitor bank" with tremendous amounts of current.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11971 on: June 12, 2012, 09:55:30 PM »

Oh boy.... exactly my idea. You take the cake!

And so what?
Do you know how to do it....?
Maybe we should to do together this project and share to people. ;-)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11972 on: June 12, 2012, 11:56:52 PM »
How to Make High Voltage Using Capacitors     

Capacitors can store and discharge electric currents. A capacitor is an electrical component that stores up currents when you pass voltage through it. When the voltage across the capacitor drops, it discharges the stored current. The more voltage you charge a capacitor with, the more energy it stores. Capacitors don't generate voltage, but each capacitor has a specific voltage rating. The voltage rating indicates the maximum voltage rating that a capacitor can handle before it explodes. You can wire multiple capacitors together to create what is effectively a single capacitor with a very high voltage rating. If you have a high voltage power source you can charge a "capacitor bank" with tremendous amounts of current.


 Hmm obviously you have a different cap then all the rest.


 "A capacitor (originally known as condenser) is a passive two-terminal electrical component used to store energy in an electric field. The forms of practical capacitors vary widely, but all contain at least two electrical conductors separated by a dielectric (insulator); for example, one common construction consists of metal foils separated by a thin layer of insulating film. Capacitors are widely used as parts of electrical circuits in many common electrical devices.
When there is a potential difference (voltage) across the conductors, a static electric field develops across the dielectric, causing positive charge to collect on one plate and negative charge on the other plate. Energy is stored in the electrostatic field. An ideal capacitor is characterized by a single constant value, capacitance, measured in farads. This is the ratio of the electric charge on each conductor to the potential difference between them."

 A cap does not store current. That would be a battery...

 Now this wiki states specifically that it converts the current to static electricity.. Hmm..

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« Reply #11973 on: June 13, 2012, 12:15:11 AM »

 Hmm obviously you have a different cap then all the rest.


 "A capacitor (originally known as condenser) is a passive two-terminal electrical component used to store energy in an electric field. The forms of practical capacitors vary widely, but all contain at least two electrical conductors separated by a dielectric (insulator); for example, one common construction consists of metal foils separated by a thin layer of insulating film. Capacitors are widely used as parts of electrical circuits in many common electrical devices.
When there is a potential difference (voltage) across the conductors, a static electric field develops across the dielectric, causing positive charge to collect on one plate and negative charge on the other plate. Energy is stored in the electrostatic field. An ideal capacitor is characterized by a single constant value, capacitance, measured in farads. This is the ratio of the electric charge on each conductor to the potential difference between them."

 A cap does not store current. That would be a battery...

 Now this wiki states specifically that it converts the current to static electricity.. Hmm..

 :)

Read

http://www.ehow.com/how_7625397_make-high-voltage-using-capacitors.html

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« Reply #11974 on: June 13, 2012, 12:16:19 AM »
:)

Read

http://www.ehow.com/how_7625397_make-high-voltage-using-capacitors.html


 Thats mostly currentless voltage. Caps do not work with current...

 Ok so I found a nice 3-d electrostaic simulator please try it out to see this network. http://www.falstad.com/vector3de/

 Crank up the particle count and go ahead and try other counts of charges or even lines and different polarities.

 The dipole seems to be our planet and sun. The sun being an out and we are the in or returns to ground back to source conductor. This would mean that the sun has a black hole counterpart and the earth is connected via the lines that form if you view a slice of space. It's strange but the atmosphere we have is a direct result of the larger flow from the sun to our sink or ground.This is evident by the simulator using the dipole and y axis slice to view the setup. You need to make sure you get the polar condensations together . In the process of attracting charges and dark matter in our core it creates matter. Real matter, when the charges condense into the darkmatter. So black holes rip charges out of matter and suns make it available for matter to be created.

 Heh just when you thought you read it all.

 Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when placing a long
  single-turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet
  in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The
  thin walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks. Undulating
  from the crown of this coil were very long and fluidic silvery white
  streamers, soft discharges which appeared to have been considerably raised in
  voltage. These effects were greatly intensified when the helical coil was
  placed within the disrupter wire circle. Inside this "shockzone", the helical
  coil was surrounded in a blast which hugged into its surface, and rode up the
  coil to its open end. It seemed as though the shockwave actually pulled away
  from surrounding space to cling to the coil surface, a strange attractive
  preference. The shockwave flowed over the coil at right angles to the
  windings, an unbelievable effect. The sheer length of discharges leaping from
  the helix crown was incomprehensible. With the disrupter discharge jumping I
  inch in its magnetic housing, the white shimmering discharges rose from the
  helix to a measured length of over two feet. This discharge equaled the very
  length of the coil itself'. It was an unexpected and unheard
  transformation.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 02:20:20 AM by jbignes5 »

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« Reply #11975 on: June 13, 2012, 04:46:32 AM »
Excuse me for jumping in but I think that there are some misconceptions about capacitors going on.

A capacitor doesn't "store current" or "store voltage". What it stores is electric charge. Charge is a conserved quantity of nature. You can think of it, if you like, as a bunch of unit negative charges on free electrons in metals, and the corresponding positive charged "holes" where an electron would fit if everything was neutral.

Now we know that like charges repel. So if you push, somehow, a bunch of like charges together in some kind of container, they will push against each other and try to get out and the more you push (or pull) in there, the harder they will try to get out. This is electrostatic repulsion, and it is the _source_ of voltage. Voltage IS the repulsion of like charges and the attraction of unlike charges.

Current is the FLOW of charge, that is caused by a gradient of voltage.

So you have a capacitor, which is basically a couple of metal plates separated by an insulator. You apply an excess of electrons to one side, and this pulls in an excess of "holes" into the other side; they are attracted together by electrostatic attraction, but within each plate the charges are mutually repulsive. The repulsion of the mutual charges and the attraction of the unlike charges IS the voltage, or the "potential" or even the "tension" between the terminals. If the insulator wasn't there the voltage would neutralize across the gap... a  current would flow until the voltage -- the pressure -- is the same on both sides. If the insulator-- the "dielectric" of the capacitor... IS there, and you close the circuit externally with a wire or a resistor or some other components, current WILL flow, according to Ohm's law, and the voltage... the pressure.... on the cap will decrease as the charge flows out (and in the other side) and the total amount of charge imbalance in the cap decreases.

Sure, a capacitor can provide significant current for significant periods of time. It just does it by a different mechanism than a battery.

Here's a "free energy" device that produces a negative mean power product and a negative energy integral, running on only a capacitor, powering a small load consisting of two anti-parallel LEDs. The current to do this is coming from the capacitor. There is no battery, although the cap was charged up to 5.5 volts before the demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZaPnj1Ox4Y

OK.... I hope that helped clear up some of the ideas about capacitors.
Carry on....

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11976 on: June 13, 2012, 08:49:24 AM »
And so what?
Do you know how to do it....?
Maybe we should to do together this project and share to people. ;-)

JesteÅ› z Polski?

Frantz

Tak, jestem z Polski. Myślę ,że ludzie z tego forum powinni wpierw skupić się na prostszych projektach typu ustrojstwo SR913 i zaczynać od miniaturowych prototypów.

I'm working on it from different prespective , which is slow but give me opportunity to understand the mechanism behind . I would advice first trying to replicate simpler devices like SR913 circuit and understand resonance and reactive power which is what I'm trying now. The best would be having miniature prototype and learn from this up.


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« Reply #11977 on: June 13, 2012, 09:05:51 AM »
TinselKoala

Nice gadget! This is what I ment : start from small circuit  ;D look where energy comes out (or in?) and try to make it run as long as possible using smaller capacitors.

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« Reply #11978 on: June 13, 2012, 09:12:14 AM »
Well, we all are looking for some valuable informations..... Do you know that ....SR913 is from Russia  ?  Right ?  So ??????

Where do you think is some discuss about his device ?  >:(

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« Reply #11979 on: June 13, 2012, 11:25:54 AM »
Caps do not work with current...
I can't ignore this statement unchallenged as it is misleading to the newbies reading it.
The truth is that very large electric current can flow through capacitors when they are charged and discharged from/into low resistance.

Both, capacitors and inductors (coils) store energy. 
One in the form of electric field and the other in the form of magnetic field, respectively ( 0.5*L*I^2 and 0.5*C*V^2 ).
Capacitor stores energy in the open state and Inductor stores energy in the shorted state.  Discharging their energy happens at the opposite states.

Capacitors resist the change of voltage across them and do it by drawing or discharging current through them.
Inductors resist the change of current through their winding and do it by developing a voltage across it.

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« Reply #11980 on: June 13, 2012, 02:04:52 PM »
I can't ignore this statement unchallenged as it is misleading to the newbies reading it.
The truth is that very large electric current can flow through capacitors when they are charged and discharged from/into low resistance.

Both, capacitors and inductors (coils) store energy. 
One in the form of electric field and the other in the form of magnetic field, respectively ( 0.5*L*I^2 and 0.5*C*V^2 ).
Capacitor stores energy in the open state and Inductor stores energy in the shorted state.  Discharging their energy happens at the opposite states.

Capacitors resist the change of voltage across them and do it by drawing or discharging current through them.
Inductors resist the change of current through their winding and do it by developing a voltage across it.


 Absolutely no current flows through a cap if it did it would short out. No current at all flows trough a capacitor period. Through induction there might seem to be a current but in reality there is zero current flowing through that cap. IF there was there would be no capacitance.

 A capacitor is merely a baloon with two channels. In the middle of that baloon there is a thin wall. The wall separates the two halves but still allows movement between the two halves. This might seem like current to you but it is very reliant on what goes in must come out. It is also limiting DC to absolutely no current and AC to a sudo current, ie not a true current. So you could say to an ac signal there was no blockage and to a dc current there was absolute blockage. Folks most capacitors are the changing device. It converts or condenses inductive discharges into sudo current. As long as that current is an AC signal. The Dc component gets blocked and I suspect the AC component gets inverted. Not in the usual sense of inverted but like a film negative is inverted of the real picture.

 So since the capacitor is elastic in the sense of electronics what can we do with it? I mean can we pressurize it up and then cause it to slosh back and forth creating AC? With the inertia of the pressure being the force behind the sloshing?? Caps are the most famous oddity there is. An inductance without conduction.

 This is why I proposed using the bifilar pancake coil as a sudo cap or active cap. It's capable of receiving and compressing charges in real time. This condenses the charges along the whole bifilar pancake's plane. Having multiple coils in parallel would lower both the esr and losses associated with caps. This will be our working pressure, charge engine. The bigger the surface area and the bigger the elements then the better this thing should work. I'm thinking we should try the one wire method simply because it creates the right pressure. This way with the bifilar pancake coils have a central access. This could be used for the exciter element through the central hole.

 Anyways No one has something to say of the Tesla quote I put up last? Taking the movie with the aluminum can I showed earlier you can see that there is a physical crushing event going on. The metal makes all the difference as to how it reacts.


 Here is a nice test or the reflective nature of self terminated coils. Check the scope shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QiI8p1gi4&feature=channel&list=UL

 And this shows the Tesla concept very well. This one uses a ground loop via the cap. This is a one sided version.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=ULUUvQJIwezW0&feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4ignJRwZ90I

 This is another interesting discovery about planar magnetics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUvQJIwezW0&feature=BFa&list=ULD7QiI8p1gi4
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« Reply #11981 on: June 13, 2012, 03:47:57 PM »
No current at all flows trough a capacitor period.
It does in a circuit, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNnQi-tJbHQ

...the displacement current between the plates of the capacitor, even generates magnetic field just like an electron current in a wire.

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« Reply #11982 on: June 13, 2012, 03:58:04 PM »
Interesting, couple a self resonant coil (Tesla's extra coil) and use this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iUhwG_4ehwM and you have the TPU or any other device that will produce more than you use.

You need to kick the coils, a couple of self resonant / tuned coils with an output (all air core) should get us what we need. This is what I see as the main part of these devices.

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« Reply #11983 on: June 13, 2012, 03:59:42 PM »
It does in a circuit, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNnQi-tJbHQ

...the displacement current between the plates of the capacitor, even generates magnetic field just like an electron current in a wire.


 Please. It simply separates the circuit. It creates two distinct halves. There is no real current there, it only simulates the current. But in that induction it must invert the polarity to do that and thats AC right?

 We can also compare this to a diode. A diode uses the reflection of the oncoming voltage flow and stops the flow inductively. In a capacitor this is also evident but the one way nature is split into a two way process. Induction is a funny thing.

 The double shorted coil is also very telling about this process. Through magnetic lines we control the voltage refection. They set up horizontally through the centers of the coils including the center coil. This is a strong magnetic link or virtual inductive conductor. The center coil then can charge the exterior coils and then reflect or push back to the source coil(middle) This creates a pump. So what if you shorted the input coil with a cap and then charged the cap till it starts breaking the spark gap down. Would oscillation occur? How would you extract the high potential after pressurization? Would harvesting the spark gap increase return ala Gray tube?

 What if we could control the path of the powerful ground loop. This could be done with fluid hydrodynamics and the magamp as a control for setup and harvesting of the pulses. Just a 2 way switch would be all we would need. One for pulsing and one for harvesting a portion of the oscillation into a condenser bank. We must be mindful of unintentional ground loops that will pull energy away from the basic regen cycle.
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« Reply #11984 on: June 13, 2012, 05:40:38 PM »
OK.... I hope that helped clear up some of the ideas about capacitors.
Carry on....
Here some more ideas about capacitors to carry on.

Don't know whether Tesla was aware of this or not, but it looks somewhat promising: Two bifilar Tesla coils coaxially mounted bounded by one exciter coil. The outcome is not only four secondary coils but also three capacitors (at least) build by the coils themselves.

Absolutely no current flows through a cap if it did it would short out.
Connecting two wires together at the bottom will short one of the capacitors. But - dependent on frequency - more or less only at the bottom not at the top. What could this mean? ::) Hmmm ...

Regards

P.S.: Winding one bifilar coil clockwise and the other counterclockwise would be an option too.