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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16406593 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11400 on: April 29, 2012, 02:23:10 PM »
KAPANADZE MECHANIC FULL CIRCUIT ....


www.freeenergylt.narod2.ru/kapanadze_4/

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11401 on: April 29, 2012, 04:51:51 PM »
@ronotte

OK, there is only one thing left that is not clear and I need it to be clear before I turn on any power and risk again blowing stuff.

In your opto-circuit the TB1-1 as you say goes to my primary and across the primary I will have a 4000uf or so capacitor and a 0.1uf capacitor. Both will be going across the primary. The other side of the primary goes to a separate battery positive.

So from what I understand of pin 2 and 6 having an isolated power input has to be separate from the power going to the coil. If I have battery #1 supplying the 6N137 and IRF7307 and the negative goes through the IRF840 source and drain to go to the primary, and, if after the primary I go to battery #2, where does the negative of battery #2 go? I am guessing it goes to the negative of battery #1 that is pin 6. But if that is the case, then how if pins 2 and 6 isolated? It is isolated from the FG pins 3-4, OK, but the flyback from the primary will still hit pin 6. Hmmmmmmm.

I made a diagram below to show my dilemma in case this explanation is confusing.

wattsup

Added;

OK, I made a second diagram adding in where I think may be a good landing point for the battery #2 negative.

By cutting at the X point and putting the battery #2 negative on the mosfet side.

This way the only only link between the opto-circuit and the IRF840 would be the gate hence isolating the FG, the opt-circuit and the drive mosfet.

Is this OK?


« Last Edit: April 29, 2012, 06:52:21 PM by wattsup »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11402 on: April 30, 2012, 02:22:38 AM »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11403 on: April 30, 2012, 04:27:21 AM »
 I had a chance to read the entire book of Nikola Tesla - The Inventions and Writings of Nikola Tesla... A very enlightening book.


 In chapter XXIV if you look at page 114 you will see Exactly what Wess and Kapanadze are doing.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/25989337/Nikola-Tesla-The-Inventions-Researches-and-Writings-of-Nikola-Tesla


 For your enjoyment and enlightenment I have linked the entire book for you guys. It shows the exact setup but instead of a solid core Tesla used iron wire that had been annealed and oxidized for insulation purposes.

 This book also talks about regular ac versus disruptive discharges. The two are very different and he tried to describe the differences and how to use them each. Also he talks about the disruptive discharges and that they need to be converted down into a form that can be used by regular equipment like motors and such.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11404 on: April 30, 2012, 08:19:03 AM »
Hi jbignes5, I think you refer to figure 95 and 96 on page 114 and 115 of the PDF. That I think is simply a constant current transformer
which should be just as efficient with no load as with a full load if correctly designed as he states.
However I think the result is different to what many people might think. I think the result is that even with
no load the setup will use full input power and with a dead short the input power remains the same.
If that is the case there is nothing free there. This is a similar situation that tricks a lot of people I think,
when they see a transformer with a certain idle input ( usually much more input at idle than an efficient transformer)
then when that transformer is slightly loaded no current increase is seen or even a drop in current, however the problem
is that there is a limit to the maximum power output which is in my opinion always less than the input. Thane does a similar thing.
They never show the transformer powering significant loads because they can't. By significant I mean hundreds of watts.

By securing a difference in phase the secondary cannot put energy back to the primary either. As far as I can tell anyway.

Constant current at all loads means the current will not change even at short circuit which means only a certain amount
of power can be drawn and I think that is the purpose of the design. The voltage will change though I imagine.
With no load all input is wasted.

Cheers

Edited: corrected figure number

P.S. and now after reading a bit more I see it is used ( as far as I can tell)  to get a phase difference of 90 degrees so that
together with the utility currents they can run a motor.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11405 on: April 30, 2012, 09:06:23 AM »
Hello,
is somebody working with mustafa007 device?
I would like to exchange experiences with somebody who really building that device.

I got COP 0.9, does anybody have COP >1 with that device?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11406 on: April 30, 2012, 09:26:02 AM »
Hi wattsup,
I understand your doubts hence the complete interconnected circuit sometime is much better than words: I would have done it before ;D . Do not hesitate to contact me for any reason. Good luck
Roberto

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11407 on: April 30, 2012, 11:17:22 AM »
Yes M786 i made  mustafa007 device ,  but have not obtained COP>1

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11408 on: April 30, 2012, 01:26:27 PM »
In chapter XXIV if you look at page 114 you will see Exactly what Wess and Kapanadze are doing.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/25989337/Nikola-Tesla-The-Inventions-Researches-and-Writings-of-Nikola-Tesla


 For your enjoyment and enlightenment I have linked the entire book for you guys. It shows the exact setup but instead of a solid core Tesla used iron wire that had been annealed and oxidized for insulation purposes.

 This book also talks about regular ac versus disruptive discharges. The two are very different and he tried to describe the differences and how to use them each. Also he talks about the disruptive discharges and that they need to be converted down into a form that can be used by regular equipment like motors and such.

You might experiment with resonant circuit where capacitor is in series with transformer and see what are results. I made quick sketch for circuit to play with(it is not complete circuit).
P.S. Q1 acts as switch to discharge capacitor and may overheat very quickly due capacitorC1 +reactive voltage from transformer going over transistor. The bulb X1 acts as protective fuse if both transistors Q1 and Q2 do not switch good enough.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11409 on: April 30, 2012, 03:06:04 PM »
 Thanks for that circuit.


 I really think I got a handle on this now.


 After reading the book and listening to Tesla about the differences of the two types of currents I fully understand how one he and other got their extra power. The explosive discharge is the key the problem is now what do we do with it. We need a good target that does not react or inhibit the discharge.


 As I have always thought the bifilar coil is the key to that.


 I started to think about his analogy to Niagra falls and the power plant he made there. But in that case he didn't have to make the flow to harness. It seems we got away from the toroid type transformers and lost a huge valuable tool to handle the bursting capacitance discharges he used for the "freaks" that got him called a magician. One of those "freaks" was apparently the Roadster experiment. In that report it said that when he brought back the car for inspection to the Westinghouse guys that they said after seeing it work that he was using magic. There was no higher insult to Tesla and that is was prompted him to drive the car out and leave it in a barn.


 The "freaks" Comment was from the other document I referred to earlier with his lawyer in court when Wardencliff was going into bankruptcy.


 Tesla talked about the explosive power of the capacitance discharge and how he could take out of a capacitor just about any horse power he wanted. If that is the case then even with the smallest gap you could have more then enough power to run just about anything one wanted. Horsepower to watts is 1 horsepower=735.5-750 watts. Tesla was reputed to talking about 1 million horse power at times. So that would be 750 million watts.

 Lets look at this again:

 " Such a transformer may, by properly proportioning it's several elements and determining the proper relations between the primary and secondary windings, the thickness of the magnetic shield and other conditions, be constructed to yield a constant current at "all" loads."

 We also have to understand that he was referring to motors. Doesn't this sound intriguing? Even at the highest load of the motor it would exhibit the same constant current at the lightest load... Hmmmm... How is this possible?

 The comment about Thanes device is weird at best. Thane Has shown that creating a high voltage component inside of a winding does in fact give more back as the load increases. This I believe is because the high voltage component is not effected by magnetic fields. They are 90 degrees apart from the electric field that builds up inside of the transformer. Although the inductive component does come into play effectively biasing the base voltage levels. If one raises or biases one component (voltage) it still translates into a higher current when converted back down or up in the case of the motor he uses. The high voltage coil is only a base bias. Once activated it raises all outcomes.

 12 volts @ 10 amps = 120 watts -normal
 12 volts + (bias coil 120 volts) @ 10 amps = 1320 watts

 Thats a huge difference and it is why he sees a speed increase in the motors.

 Since he pads the core with the high voltage coils once the bias builds up he sees and increase in power output. Also the power required to increase the voltage with the bias is extremely low once it has built up. It acts like a storage tank and raises only the voltage side of the transformer but still sees an increase due to the watts conversion. You could think of it like adding a magnet to a toroid. It likewise will bias the outcome and raise the output in a limited way. In order to do this in a less limited way one only needs to use the variable magnet or electromagnet.

 Now Tesla also did an improvement on the electromagnet. This was his spirally wound bifilar coil. Which would increase the voltage capacitance of the coil to extreme amounts. If thane had used the flat wound bifilar coil and stacked them in parallel or series I am betting the outcome would be so high that very little actual current would need to be used to kick start the process. Once the capacitance of the bifilar was filled you could effectively not use current at all. Well very little would need to be used.

 I know this is becoming a diatribe but hear me out if you will.

 Using both techniques give rise to a novel form of new transformer. This includes the transformers in motors as well. The novel form of transformer is an internal high voltage self terminated coil. It's only purpose is to increase the bias of the core from a high current(magnetic) to a high voltage component. Since one doesn't effect the other in the sense of induction other then biasing the voltage of the secondary you could in effect multiply your results without doing much. What we do is take Tesla's magnetic shielding concept and only change one thing. Self terminate the internal high voltage coil or even run it into a resonant capacitor(I haven't tried this yet) and or spark gap. As the current gets to a certain level of the high current coil around it, it will energize the internal coil and start the process of biasing the coil outside of the magnetic shielding at a predetermined level. In the case of the spark gap it would be an advantage to let the cap discharge and use that for the disruptive discharge side. In some way we could use that to run the whole shebang after it has reached a certain level. Seeing that Tesla said he could take any amount of horse power out of a cap, to a degree, then it makes sense that we could harness this process to run itself.

 This will need to be tested. I am working on a new design of my motor that will have this incorporated into it. I will start testing the bifilar parallel and series coils to see what capability it will be able to hold the charge necessary to raise the external electric field and bias the current we are using for very little current.

 In my opinion this is exactly what Kapanadze is doing in the coil on coil model. Basically the internal high voltage coil is just an electric field capacitor to bias the external working current coil and get more out then the input via the inductive process.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2012, 04:40:55 PM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11410 on: April 30, 2012, 03:22:45 PM »
Hi wattsup,
I understand your doubts hence the complete interconnected circuit sometime is much better than words: I would have done it before ;D . Do not hesitate to contact me for any reason. Good luck
Roberto

Ahhhhhhh, thanks @ronotte. Yes a picture is often much better then words. Lucky I decided to wait. Tonight will be the first tests. Thanks again.

wattsup

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« Reply #11411 on: April 30, 2012, 05:46:42 PM »
@jbignes5

So far, I have read all of your posts and most of the material you have pointed to. I'm enjoying all of it. Although I have problem comprehending good part of it. I think you into something. What you are saying make sense to me, because the Tesla concept is rather simple once understood completely. Obviously I'm not there yet, by far..  But I'm working on it! Recently I have looked at the Kapanadze setup trying to see similarities between his and Tesla coils, Those must be similar setups, and simple.. But often simple things are easily overlooked... Keep on the good work! ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11412 on: April 30, 2012, 10:26:45 PM »
 Thanks.


 The real thing is that even I don't know it all and as Tesla stated we are all learning about this process with every step. But I am limited to my experiments because of my failing back. My scoliosis of my youth has finally caught up with me and the pain at times is rather bad. Along with the shaking my hands are exhibiting it makes it really tough to work on things.


 This is why I am here telling others what I think I understand of this process. If someone picks up this with real experiments that I can not perform myself due to my illness then I will have contributed to that discovery. But like I said I think I am understanding this process and haven't proven it to myself or others by real experiments.


 But I have a good amount of experiments that I have done with Jewel thiefs and the captret already that make me believe I am on the right track. The motor I plan on making should break the barrier and supply us with a clean power source even with regular batteries. This is because of one fact and the whole reason Tesla make statements that the capacitor is a wonderful thing and thats the discharge of a capacitor can be very very explosive. This energy can be used after conversion or in the event of the motor designed to transform it into heat and mechanical energy. You could think of it like the rifle. When the capacitor is loaded it's explosiveness  can be very great just like the bullet this discharge has great power. Harnessing the full discharge is the main problem. The toroid is one fix for that problem.


 The Kapanadze method is actually a loose coupling of the main current line to a source of inductive high voltage. I think one way he gets around the buildup and stagnation of the high voltage coil is to allow it to build up then discharge in a cyclic way. This has a way of pulsing the main current line which is in loose coupling to the high voltage inductive coil. So at the center is the high voltage coil that builds up in inductive high voltage. When it gets to a certain level it discharges across a gap to equalize both ends of the coil. The high voltage coil is not in direct connection to the main current line and is only inductively coupled. I think this is where the magic is. It radiates and pulses the radiation on the High voltage coil which radiates into the high current coil raising it's voltage and hence the watts produced. If a core is provided you must take care to not excite the core beyond it's heat rating for keeping the core magnetic response of the current coil. As heat goes up so do the losses in the core. This is what happened to Wess and his experiments. Using iron would alleviate that to a degree but not if it isn't designed right with the cores, if cores are to be used.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11413 on: April 30, 2012, 11:19:33 PM »
Thanks.


 The real thing is that even I don't know it all and as Tesla stated we are all learning about this process with every step. But I am limited to my experiments because of my failing back. My scoliosis of my youth has finally caught up with me and the pain at times is rather bad. Along with the shaking my hands are exhibiting it makes it really tough to work on things.


I know and understand what you are saying, my wife is battling the same condition some days are worse than others. What ever you do please take your time and be careful.


 This is why I am here telling others what I think I understand of this process. If someone picks up this with real experiments that I can not perform myself due to my illness then I will have contributed to that discovery. But like I said I think I am understanding this process and haven't proven it to myself or others by real experiments.

 But I have a good amount of experiments that I have done with Jewel thiefs and the captret already that make me believe I am on the right track. The motor I plan on making should break the barrier and supply us with a clean power source even with regular batteries.
 

If you don't mind explaining this, can you elaborate what is the motor Tesla was referring to and you plan on making?
Is it some kind hybrid AC motor? If so how it is different from common AC motor? This part I don't understand..




I'm sending you pm..



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11414 on: May 01, 2012, 02:18:13 AM »
Yes I can elaborate. I'd rather keep this public so others can try this as well.


 Ok so take a gander at the scrib book again and read more on the motors he designed. Pay attention to the specific details like he was using circles wound with wire.  On page 234 of the book, figure 146 shows the way he uses the motor core with one wire and an antenna. Now that bar could in fact be a toroid like the motors on page 42. Well that isn't really a motor per say. It is a self exciting generator with prime mover (motor). The motor design is actually on page 40.


 My Idea to further that along is to design high voltage coils under the field coils. This will charge the toroid and bias the current that is in the armature, which should be of a heavier gauge. The heavier gauge allows for a transformer action on the armature. This very heavy current can be picked off to power whatever you desire on the down slope of the the armature. The more current you pull the more the armature will push away from the position it was in. So it is short the armature at the beginning then unshort the armature winding and reap the benefits.


 Because the motor is designed way different then the normal ac motor it reacts much different then the traditional ac motor we see today. The armature is 90 degrees out of angle already from the design on page 40. This in Tesla's own words makes it behave like there is an infinite amount of poles around the armature. The coil I believe are bifilar in design around the field core. This will give no self induction and only the resistance of the wire itself. Literally the pulses would have very little counter reaction to any impulses going through the field coils. Massive amounts of electric field would be present and I believe the magnetic field if any would be locked into the field cores. Now with a transforming heavy gauge wire or form on the armature it would be capable of generating massive currents just from the inductive capability of the electric field if the armature windings were unshorted after the attraction phase that generators normally show. Somewhere in that process is the key.


 If we go one step further we can apply the Kapanadze process to make a turbo mode and increase the gain before the prime mover or motor.


 If we understand the revolving field motor we understand that we can make the revolving field part go in the opposite direction of the armature (generating coils). This has a two fold effect. One it increases the generating capability per Tesla's findings and it reduces the back feeding into the field coils.


 Try to imagine the magnetic field in the field coils core going left or counter clockwise and the armature of the generator going clockwise. The two add together. This is evident by Tesla's description of increasing the efficiency of low speed generators.


 Somewhere in the mix we have been pushed away from the improvements that Tesla was working on which include the toroid used as the field coils and that Bessemer steel is actually oxygenated soft iron. The Bessemer process was thrown away because of this. Try checking out the process to learn more about it. Tesla reported that transformers and cores made of Bessemer steel give 2.5 times the force or efficiency then any other metal for cores.

 The exciter/generator/motor on page 42 is really my aim. It also shows how to tap the generator properly via another toroid transformer.
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