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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11145 on: March 12, 2012, 09:38:45 AM »
In regarrds of device tuning N. Tesla had only voltmeter and ampermeter for his stuff..
Everything he had to calculate was wire length and diameter what corresponded resonant frequency 1/4 wave length and that's all :)
So if you know what makes device to work, no expensive equipment is required...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11146 on: March 12, 2012, 10:04:18 AM »
@wattsup,
thanks very much for having done a very useful clarifying job on TBC issue :) . I'm desperately try to find the TBC110na...but at least for the moment no luck. I'm  asking to STAAAR group if any possibility to have  an indication.
Thanks
Roberto

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« Reply #11147 on: March 12, 2012, 11:35:46 AM »
Yes.
There is no mixing of frequencies.
Most important thing is to generate sharp pulses (triggered) the pulse from Tesla coil need to be sharp "This may be good example: electric gas igniter"! This is the only source who generate impulses. this is the only generator there! No mixing and no modulations.

Second is bifilar coil closed looped by itself – when impulses are generated to inductor it magnetises a bifilar coil (it creates a magnetic field in bifilar coil) so in total you have one source "generating pulses" but in fact you have resonant magnetic generator with two fields (similar to Hertz Resonator - "see picture under post") 
"electrostatic: from inductor and Tesla coil
& electromagnetic: from bifilar coil"

(i just explain in parts, i do not want to go in deep details. But i hope you will think and try to understand arrangement of the setup)



I can not to agree with this theory.
No mixing frequencies: TC have a some frequency of "sharp pulses"
Bifilar: if it is a resonator, should to have some frequency of work (resonant frequency)
If these two points will not work together in synchronization mode, we will receive nothing....


"bifilar coil closed looped by itself" - the resonant frequency of coil which have few micro Henries and one or two pF (self capacitance) is looped itself without capacitor is to high to using this solution (MHz to GHz).
And main question is : what about third coil?[/size]

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11148 on: March 12, 2012, 11:53:31 AM »
Actually I think at 12:59 he sticks his knuckles in the cooling fan, not a shock.
The thing I am suspicious about is the green box, the battery powers the converter
the converter is connected to the the green box and the green box powers the resonant coil
setup which powers the lights. The inverter is connected to the green box for much longer than
the green box powers anything. And the green box looks heavy. I'll play devils advocate for a while.

The devils advocate says the green box has a bunch of Nicad or NiMH batteries connected to make
a 220 volt battery which is recharged by the rectified inverter output, the transistors chop
the 220 DC at HF for the resonant coils, the heating transistors ensure the green box batteries
don't get too drained because they only run it for a short time before they shut it off, claiming
heated transistors as the reason. When he connects the charging feedback it's not for long.

In reality if it is running from free energy from the environment he should be able to recharge
a bank of batteries rather than light some lights. That is in no way a convincing demonstration
they repeatedly turn the device off it only runs for very short periods.

Other things that don't add up are, he says that he wants patents, but then he says it is Tesla's
invention. So he can't get a patent anyway. Then he tells the guy at the end that the Earth connection
can be replaced by a circuit. Also at the end the video is pointed at a 5 kW generator for quite a while.

Devils advocate says the setup is powered by a 220 volt battery in the green box which is
charged repeatedly by the inverter/converter and the car battery, the setup can't hardly even run
long enough to boil a kettle. At 16:30 he shuts it off and says the transistors are heated then one of them
holds his thumb on the transistors for quite a while without getting burned just after they turned it off.

I'm not convinced, but that doesn't mean much. When there is a box big enough to hold batteries
I am immediately suspicious, the aluminium box the newer motor generator is mounted on could hold
a lot of vehicle batteries as well.

Cheers

 

If you look closely can see one spark from knuckles to fan........

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11149 on: March 12, 2012, 12:04:35 PM »
@T-1000
Tuning with only meters is possible although I'm not convinced that
 this is an ordinary Tesla setup
and that Tariel isn't lying to protect hes invention.


To every body: here's a few pictures that show on the 2004 device video,
that it has a high current transformer,it has copper braids
there used only on low voltage high current transformers.The rectifiers are
high current types,it appears that all the cathodes are common
the anodes are connected in pairs by copper braids,and appear to go to the coffee can object.
On one picture there are two objects, black, odd shape sealed with two wires,could be inductor,capacitor,resistor or?
This could be a Russian or European made part,anyone seen this part before,what is it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11150 on: March 12, 2012, 12:59:23 PM »
@T-1000
Tuning with only meters is possible although I'm not convinced that
 this is an ordinary Tesla setup
and that Tariel isn't lying to protect hes invention.


To every body: here's a few pictures that show on the 2004 device video,
that it has a high current transformer,it has copper braids
there used only on low voltage high current transformers.The rectifiers are
high current types,it appears that all the cathodes are common
the anodes are connected in pairs by copper braids,and appear to go to the coffee can object.
On one picture there are two objects, black, odd shape sealed with two wires,could be inductor,capacitor,resistor or?
This could be a Russian or European made part,anyone seen this part before,what is it?


I think these parts are Diodes (UFast shottky- power one).


In my opinion, TK did something like that:
1. use symmetrical transformer, one half of output is 110V and it is rectified by fours diodes. Second half on output is connected in series with rectified Half (have 220v offset up - voltage is between 0V - 220V) (not like on the grid -110V to  110V).
2. Big 2 diodes are to blocking back impulses which are generated by Inductor and allowing to current flow in one direction.
3. Main coil is powered by sine 0V - 220V with low current and this low current is amplifying by HV inductor pulses. (And now we know why gauge don't want measure correctly voltage on bulb with green box)
4. we are not taking Voltage from main coil, main coil is connected in series with load to 0V.
Like in Budionnyj welder on output.
5. as Cosmo wrote, maybe between main coil and inductor is putted resonator (in my opinion bifilar coil shunted by capacitor - resonator frequency should to be the same like inductor frequency).
I don't know what for, but....


Its only my opinion.
All comments are welcome.


Frantz

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11151 on: March 12, 2012, 02:13:57 PM »
Something I would think about :


1. Silent spark. Either mystical exact resonance point when spark is silent or maybe the role of spark is different ? Maybe it's not spark gap on input side (like in Tesla coil) but on output ?
2. How is measured input current from battery in 2004 video ?


Think about it.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11152 on: March 12, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »
Something I would think about :


1. Silent spark. Either mystical exact resonance point when spark is silent or maybe the role of spark is different ? Maybe it's not spark gap on input side (like in Tesla coil) but on output ?
2. How is measured input current from battery in 2004 video ?


Think about it.




Forest,
I think, the spark is not important, is shown only for audience.
Current measurement is not clear. I think, on a demonstration was made some mystification.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11153 on: March 12, 2012, 03:14:54 PM »
@wattsup,
thanks very much for having done a very useful clarifying job on TBC issue :) . I'm desperately try to find the TBC110na...but at least for the moment no luck. I'm  asking to STAAAR group if any possibility to have  an indication.
Thanks
Roberto

@ronotte

Best of luck to find one. You will have better chance then me. I will be planning to have one or two made. I will post soon on that.

If you look closely can see one spark from knuckles to fan........

@andrea76

He just touched the first bend of his pinky finger (not his knuckle) in the fan and that spark is not a spark but only sun reflection off of his hand.

@T-1000
To every body: here's a few pictures that show on the 2004 device video,
that it has a high current transformer,it has copper braids
there used only on low voltage high current transformers.The rectifiers are
high current types,it appears that all the cathodes are common
the anodes are connected in pairs by copper braids,and appear to go to the coffee can object.
On one picture there are two objects, black, odd shape sealed with two wires,could be inductor,capacitor,resistor or?
This could be a Russian or European made part,anyone seen this part before,what is it?

@cheappower2012

First of all in the 2004 video as per your "What are these parts", they are the same two black transistor heat sinks we see in the Green Box )GB) video.

In the 2004 video the transformer and diodes (rectifier) are most likely the same as in the GB video when he added a Black box to return the output power back to the inverter DC input. In the GB video he says when he pulls out the Black Box that there is a transformer and a rectifier that were all tapped up but the diodes had the same form factor as seen by the diode tips pushing up the electrical tape.

So, it would seem very plausible that whatever you see in the 2004 video was then all nicely placed in the Green Box and Black Box to do the GB video. In the 2004 video he did not show looping. The transformer was used as a primary feed to his tin can. If you compare the 2004 video with the GB video, the only outstanding part is the tin can that is probably what he has inside the Green Box since the tin can has four leads going to the two black transistor heat sinks and the same four leads goes to the same transistor heat sinks in the GB video. What I cannot figure out is why only two leads per transistor or four leads in all? One would expect 3 leads per transistor so six in all. Is it possible he is not using the transistor as switch but as fast acting diodes?

Please watch closely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7jbUA6_10c again and redraw connections diagram.
It is right before your eyes... :)
P.S> The secondary of ТВС-110ЛА have capacitance but no resistance...

@T-1000

Thanks for clarifying my Q1 as wire used for grounding. I never saw that video. SHIT. So much more info in that one but what hit me the most in when you ask to redraw the connections diagram. Man oh man. What the hell are those caduceus output coil connections are totally different then all the other diagrams.

Caduceus Coil = CC
Caduceus Output Coil = COC
Center Tap = CT

1) The front end flyback HV+ goes to two diodes with cap across then one wire to spark gap then to the bottom CC connection and other wire from diode/cap goes to top CC connection. That is also standard.

2) The flyback pin 4 goes to the CT of COC and is also standard.

3) At the end of the COC is a diode in series with caps which is again standard in many diagrams but then there is some big changes.

4) From #3 the other side of cap is connected to the top of the CC and from there is a wire going to spark gap 2 (SG2). That is not standard.

5) The other end of SG2 goes to the bulb and the other end of the bulb is going between the diode and cap on the end of the COC which is again not standard.

OK, so this is one thing to show this new connections method which I know some will try, including me hic hic.

But, but, but. Nothing in that video confirms anything about the flyback. The main question to answer is this......

Q2 (Q1 already answered thanks): Is there a secondary coil between pins 6 and 7? If yes, what is the resistance of that one because on my previous post and one before with the table of TBCs, there is no mention of a coil at 6-7.

Q3: Is it possible that there is no coil at 6-7 and that you would not know it if you did not do a one by one resistance test of the flyback.

Q4: If there is no coil at 6-7, is it possible that the HV- at 9-8-7 stops there and is inductively passed on to the 6-5-4 to then go the the CT of the COC? That would be such a new way of using the flyback secondaries and this would also explain why the flyback was drawing only 4-5 watts, because the HV- was not physically connected to the COC via the secondary coils but via the inductive action of the secondary coils.

Thanks again.

wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #11154 on: March 12, 2012, 03:33:00 PM »
Wattsup,
What for using power transistors if TK have 50 Hz directly from inverter. Fast diodes are necessary for blocking revers short pulses generated inside main coil. This diodes must pass trough main current, too. This is the answer why power diodes with radiators.

This is only my opinion.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11155 on: March 12, 2012, 03:35:12 PM »
wattsup


If those two parts on heatsinks are transistors I would really like to know WHERE to get them ?  :o  I can't find any good one for 500V and large current with low Rds. In other words some capable of switching for example 10A  and 500V. Though it is possible I overshooted and only 1A is enough just frequency is higher  ;)

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« Reply #11156 on: March 12, 2012, 04:06:46 PM »
@Osiakosia

Thanks a heep. This really helps and based on the above table some things are getting much more clear now adding wire diameter and resistance with turns is just phenomenal.

@T-1000

Wow so there is a Russian and a Lithuanian TBC-110LA just to double the complication.

You see in that table where you see the TBC-110nA. If that table is correct, then the Official diagram of the WNYg flyback cannot be right.

In the official circuit we see there is a split primary (1-2 and 2-3) connected at 2-3, one 5 split secondary (4-9) and one split HV (10-11).

But the double secondary models as per the table says as follows;

1) Split primary 1-2 (48 turns 0.23mm) and 2-3 (48 turns 0.23mm). On some WNYg circuits the connection is 2-3 with 1 not used so half the primary is not used or is resonant to ??? ?, and on other circuit diagrams we see the connection as 1-3 that uses the the complete primary coil of 96 turns.

2) Split Secondary 4-5 (80 turns 0.41mm) and 5-6 (80 turns 0.23mm).

3) Single Secondary 6-7. Technically does not exist so this makes a problem in all the diagrams.

4) Split secondary 7-8 (610 turns 0.23mm) and 8-9 (190 turns 0.23mm). So here is where the fun starts because you have a capacitor across the 7-8. So the HV- goes to 9-8 then 8-7. Technically it cannot go further then that unless 7 is physically jumped to 6 to then go through 6-5 and 5-4 to exit from 4 and go to the Caduceus center output.

Otherwise the HV- leaves the flyback at 7 and not at 4 which would mean that 4-5/5-6 is left as an open non-connected coil.

So if the HV- is on 4, there has to be a jumper from 6-7. So is it possible that the WNYg group has been using that fyback without realizing that there is no coil between 6 and 7 and that in fact the HV- at 9 only reaches 7. I will expand on this further down.

The only other possibility is that the HV- leaves at 4 and there is no jumper at 6-7 but that would mean the HV- from the HV is just going through the 9-8-7 (7 is left open) and just stops there, and, then a fresh open lead 6 starts fresh at 6-5-4 where 4 then goes to the Caduceus center output (so 6 is also open). This would mean the HV- stops inside the flyback primary/secondary side and starts again from there but without being actually connected in series to the HV-.

So we need to find out which one it is and stop this guessing game. It is amazing why such a simple component such as a flyback can wind up being so complicated to try and understand. Whatever we do to try and replicate the WNYg effect all depends on how it is really connected and seeing from the diagrams, they are not complete.

This again, as I fall back to where we were a few months ago on this question, I am just totally puzzled as to why it would be so difficult to take that TBC-100LA flyback and do a live measurement of resistance between the pins to see exactly what it is and how it is really connected.

So, anyways this post will be a long one because after so many flybacks being used, so many tests and set-ups, so many hours of trying to replicate the slightest effect, there are some major points that need to be cleared up. One major point is that running a flyback with only 4-5 watts input and getting a light to light up is next to impossible with the flybacks I have used thus far. Yes, I have seen my bulb light up somewhat but the input was more like 40 watts or more and not 4-5. So if the flyback you have is the main reason, because the rest of the set-up is pretty standard issue stuff like the Caduceus coil does not require rocket science measurement and the rest of the components when they are in place should be more then adequate to achieve the effect. So where are the differences is the question we must ask ourselves and consciously try to explain.

I took a grab of the TBC110LA (or TBC110nA) flyback from one of @stiveps last videos on the WNYg and have placed pin numbers and shown the wires going back and forth to the flyback to identify each one. As you will notice I added a Question 1 (Q1) showing a pair of wires that leads to the flyback but I cannot find any source for those wires in the video. I would like to know what they are.

@ALL

I also prepared a Flyback comparison looking at the main differences. In most all flyback transformers you have a Primary, a Secondary and an HV coil.

1) Modern Flyback: These types are the ones we see most often. They however incorporate all three coil types in the same winding reel as well as include internal diodes that are not suitable for the type of output required in the WNYg devices. Since all winds are in the same reel, any heat generated in one coil will affect to life span of the other coils. Also, the wire gauges used are extremely fine and offer less possibility to be run in harsher pulsing schemes.

2) Older Flyback: These are like my FLY295. This type has the Secondaries and the HV coil wound on the same core side and reel. Although much better then the Modern types, you still have the chance of burning out the coil from excessive heat. Also, the only real types of this design that are worth trying out is if the Secondary is completely isolated from the HV otherwise the HV will eventual burn out the Secondary. But even then, this design has the secondaries wound first onto the core reel, then the hV is wound over that so the HV coil never has very close coupling to the core.

3) TBC110nA: This flyback is the best type to use with the WNYg devices although they are very hard to find. Luckily we have been able to identify the winding turns and wire diameters so making such a coil will not be so hard. The main cruz of this coil is that the HV coil sits alone on one side of the core. The primary and secondaries sit on the other side of the core on the same reel. This may be a little bad but depending on how the coil is being used, it can work to the experimenters advantage. First we have to consider that the HV- of the HV coil is sent into one of the secondaries before it heads off to the caduceus Coil. This usage of the HV- in this manner will create effects tht we can only dream of at this point.

So imagine that the primary pulses and produces output in the secondaries as well as in the HV coils. If you want, you can also pulse the secondary and create output in the HV coil and the other secondaries as well as in the primary. It works both ways at varying degrees of output. But the main point here is the HV- going back into the secondary. When i tried this with several modern flybacks, they produced fantastic outputs but the flybacks blew within 10-20 minutes. They could not take the beating because all was happening on the same coil reel. THE TBC110 separates the HV coil from the secondary/primary coils so there is no totaling of heat generation. The heat in the HV coil stays there and the heating the secondary coil has an easier time to dissipate since there is nothing else covering it. The inter coil effects this will generate are tremendous since each Pri/Sec coil can act like a Pri or Secondary. The HV- in the Sec creates a second primary in the secondary that then acts additionally upon the HV coil that then send back again to the secondary and in there you will be creating some very messy pulsing.

Anyways, sorry for such a long post but I hope guys will now realize the importance of the TBC flyback. My next post will identify how to make a TBC flyback.

wattsup
Dear Wattsup ,
Please find , that the pin numbers on TBC110ЛА starts from 2 after 1 then 3 and so on ....
The winding exsist between pin6 and pin 7 . I think aproxsimately 140-150 turns . ( Voltage 2.36 V on pin7,
then 10V sinus signal was applyed to pins 5-9 . By documents transformation rate 0.232 +- 5% .
I have added photos of TBC110ЛА . New . Never used . :D
Regards
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11157 on: March 12, 2012, 05:38:09 PM »
HI Osiakosia,
many thanks for the important details you kindly showed to all of us. I wonder if you could find at least a unit for me ;D
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« Reply #11158 on: March 12, 2012, 06:39:37 PM »
Dear Wattsup ,
Please find , that the pin numbers on TBC110ЛА starts from 2 after 1 then 3 and so on ....
The winding exsist between pin6 and pin 7 . I think aproxsimately 140-150 turns . ( Voltage 2.36 V on pin7,
then 10V sinus signal was applyed to pins 5-9 . By documents transformation rate 0.232 +- 5% .
I have added photos of TBC110ЛА . New . Never used . :D
Regards


Thanks for help. Can you please measure resistance (if there is one) and capacitance in your flyback version? Just curious, if that match Russian version...
By the way, the primary winding are same on Russian and Lithuanian version of TBC110ЛА.


@T-1000

Thanks for clarifying my Q1 as wire used for grounding. I never saw that video. SHIT. So much more info in that one but what hit me the most in when you ask to redraw the connections diagram. Man oh man. What the hell are those caduceus output coil connections are totally different then all the other diagrams.

Caduceus Coil = CC
Caduceus Output Coil = COC
Center Tap = CT

1) The front end flyback HV+ goes to two diodes with cap across then one wire to spark gap then to the bottom CC connection and other wire from diode/cap goes to top CC connection. That is also standard.

2) The flyback pin 4 goes to the CT of COC and is also standard.

3) At the end of the COC is a diode in series with caps which is again standard in many diagrams but then there is some big changes.

4) From #3 the other side of cap is connected to the top of the CC and from there is a wire going to spark gap 2 (SG2). That is not standard.

5) The other end of SG2 goes to the bulb and the other end of the bulb is going between the diode and cap on the end of the COC which is again not standard.

OK, so this is one thing to show this new connections method which I know some will try, including me hic hic.

But, but, but. Nothing in that video confirms anything about the flyback. The main question to answer is this......

Q2 (Q1 already answered thanks): Is there a secondary coil between pins 6 and 7? If yes, what is the resistance of that one because on my previous post and one before with the table of TBCs, there is no mention of a coil at 6-7.

Q3: Is it possible that there is no coil at 6-7 and that you would not know it if you did not do a one by one resistance test of the flyback.

Q4: If there is no coil at 6-7, is it possible that the HV- at 9-8-7 stops there and is inductively passed on to the 6-5-4 to then go the the CT of the COC? That would be such a new way of using the flyback secondaries and this would also explain why the flyback was drawing only 4-5 watts, because the HV- was not physically connected to the COC via the secondary coils but via the inductive action of the secondary coils.

Thanks again.

wattsup

Q2 - the primary coils are connected in series except one where we have generator connected.
Q4 - In general we have second primary as internal choke + capacitor in parralel for our 1/4 part of secondary HV coil. There is no internal connection betwen 1/4 and 4/4 coils on HV coil, so it is coil-capacitor inside. The 1/4 pin is HV cold and 4/4 is HV hot (on top). To explain what processes are happening inside of flyback is way to complicated.. :) But that makes our HV quarter wave exciter from flyback.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11159 on: March 12, 2012, 08:44:28 PM »
HI Osiakosia,
many thanks for the important details you kindly showed to all of us. I wonder if you could find at least a unit for me ;D
Roberto
Hi Roberto ,
At thursday my friend will sent to me some TBC . If you realy have a luck , I will find one 110LA between them and will sent
it to you .  ;D .
Regards
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