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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16686204 times)

starcruiser

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10905 on: February 21, 2012, 03:04:52 AM »
Another troll

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10906 on: February 21, 2012, 04:22:45 AM »
For the purpose of  analysis only:

1. lets assume that 9v battery is operating only with diode connected in series

2.lets assume that big box  has bank of car batteries inside

....



CONCLUSION:
TARIEL KAPANADZE IS NOT LIAR.
HE HAD AT THAT STAGE OF HIS LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT  NOTHING MORE BUT DONALD SMITH DEVICE...that device was further advanced and perfected till the point of show of Turkey

Hi Wesley,
as you have visited Kapanadze and saw his 200 Watt device, I take your message seriously.

So you think this motor is a fake powered by batteries hidden in the Ibeam bottom ?

At minute 3:00 there you can see the wire comeing from the external generator going back to the motor unit control panel
at the front where he switches to selfrunning mode, so the cable is no mystery !
It is just the output cable from the generator working as the positive feedback cable.

I agree with you, that the underside of the disc are probably going through the case floor and it might be
possible that there are motor(s) hidden,that propell the discs this way by touching their rim...


SO do you knowm for sure that these motor videos are fake ?


But the simple coil video from the 28th of April 2004 is genuine , right ?

How should he have hidden there a big battery ? There is no way to do this.

Also the other 50 to 100 KWatts models are not able to fake at this high output wattage...

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: CosmoLV, you are claiming it is a total new weird effect, so do you know Kapanadze personally
and can you shed some more light on it ?
If you know the pronciple, then why don´t you tell it to us ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10907 on: February 21, 2012, 04:46:17 AM »
Have a look at this video again at 4:31 minute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY


Is behind this white box maybe a drive motor for the shaft ?
There could be a a hidden pulley from this white box going inside the
foam to the shaft which could rotate the shaft....

So is this motor a convinsing fake then and the 8 Volt battery is only
switching a relay to start this hidden motor powered by batteries in the
bottom of the device ?




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10908 on: February 21, 2012, 04:56:24 AM »
For those of you who question the idea of zero point energy here is a very good overview of it current development:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/secret_projects/project114.htm

I can appreciate the debate concerning OU since there seems to be various definitions floating around of just what OU means. i thinks that some of you are just talking by each other rather than really communicating. In order for the "OU" nut to be cracked it's going to take some common definitions and a lot of work by us mere mortals or the emergence of another Tesla. BTW i've been working in the field of physics since 1968 and have yet to meet anyone of the calibre and genius of Nikola Tesla (have read a lot about him and his work).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10909 on: February 21, 2012, 05:35:13 AM »
To :  Wesley, 
below is a link to    E&H type of ham antennas that have a capacitance in the center and voltagecomponent.  It is very similar to center loading coil by Valdimir Udkin.             http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf
 [/font]TO: spikeyvoltage    You must must go elsewhere if "you" want to "PREACH" that free energy is Crap !!GO ELSE WHERE !! TROLL ...



Acca..
I'm bringing this subject to scientifically  oriented group for meeting in Sunday.
The best expertise you can dream of...
It will be analyzed by silently supporting me, Ham Scientist mentor of the group.
I by myself have no problem with most of antenna issues but I'm far to the level  of this man.
He has risked  his reputation by weekly statement addressed to the group.
"Some of people in Europe   believe that there is access of energy...
Wesley and  his friends are participating in investigation of this phenomena.
there is plenty of brain power involved  in this subject."
...........And audience stays silent till he  finishes his weekly address. Nobody even dear to interrupt nor comment on it...... than the best of the best start discussion..




Wesley


PS:
When I was 9 years old, I have build my first transmitter v with help of my father (teacher... of mathematics, physics and chemistry...... he is not a ham 80 years old now)


When I was 13 I was able to  receive 20 group of  Morse alphabet


 







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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10910 on: February 21, 2012, 06:06:58 AM »
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Hi Wesley,
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as you have visited Kapanadze and saw his 200 Watt device, I take your message seriously.

So you think this motor is a fake powered by batteries hidden in the Ibeam bottom ?
At minute 3:00 there you can see the wire coming from the external generator going back to the motor unit control panel
at the front where he switches to selfrunning mode, so the cable is no mystery !
It is just the output cable from the generator working as the positive feedback cable.

I agree with you, that the underside of the disc are probably going through the case floor and it might be
possible that there are motor(s) hidden,that propell the discs this way by touching their rim...


SO do you knowm for sure that these motor videos are fake ?


But the simple coil video from the 28th of April 2004 is genuine , right ?

How should he have hidden there a big battery ? There is no way to do this.

Also the other 50 to 100 KWatts models are not able to fake at this high output wattage...

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: CosmoLV, you are claiming it is a total new weird effect, so do you know Kapanadze personally
and can you shed some more light on it ?
If you know the pronciple, then why don´t you tell it to us ?


You put everything into one  bucket.
First Faraday concept of motor was not eliminated.
Second  i did not say that there is hidden motor but  ...elevated supports of shaft with two discs from the side facing discs have non metallic and/or non-electromagnetic  shield properties
That allowed penetration of magnetic flux towards the discs.   
in another video I said magnetic flux penetration is possibly  done  by the part of flor painted to imitate metal..
Concept of
Homopolar generator  known as Faraday disc  in multiform ( dual disc) is no disqualified.
In video from German side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
 we are dealing with floor made of dual T enough space to hide bank of battery 40 of them minimum. 14V10AH
 look at my post with pictures... you will see comment on  this picture.


In video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ
You see big box to the left ( the one with wire coming out.
 That might be huge bank of battery
Again Faraday  disc is not disqualified


BUT TORID IS NOT TORQUE MECHANISM AT ALL.
TOROID MIGHT BE DOING NOTHING OR JUST SYNCHRONIZED PULSE READING MECHANISM 
READING MAGNETIC FIELD OF SMALL MAGNET EMBEDDED TO THE SHAFT


 Please read  my previous post carefully.
 



Wesley



 
« Last Edit: February 21, 2012, 02:10:36 PM by stivep »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10911 on: February 21, 2012, 08:53:22 AM »
this type of motor is similar to hendershot motor first device.work only when put i tin N/S direction.the toroidal coil is drived by the circuit inside the box (starting with pulse direct current at CORRECT frequency).the pulse is received to the coil wrapped around the shaft.because the shaft is blocked to the two brass plate,the shaft rotated.if you build the second coil out the shaft you have the solid stated device.study the hendershot unit......

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10912 on: February 21, 2012, 12:34:37 PM »
Kapanadze 28th April 2004 fuull version, 28 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10913 on: February 21, 2012, 12:53:37 PM »
I would agree on the lux reading.  Only problem I see with it would be the heat buildup (it need to be either a small bulb or large enclosure).  With a temp gun,  you could measure the load device surface heat in the open air and also take a measurement of the ambient air temperature under both source conditions.  I thought of this because so many people have these lying around.

Surface heat measurement is OK if it is not influenced by the ambient light.
The air temperature is the major error factor because it affects the light sensors, but even without compensating for it, the power measurement error is below 5%. Much much better than blindly multiplying Volts and Amps for non-DC arbitrary waveforms.

The bulb-in-a-box method is in good agreement with commercial wattmeters. See:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/kapagen33pio.htm

It makes little difference whether a luxmeter or a photodiode or solar cell is used.  All are monotonic (unlike automatic video cameras)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10914 on: February 21, 2012, 12:58:39 PM »
Unfortunately, incandescence of a bulb is a affected by the applied frequency. So bulb brightness isn't telling you anything conclusive about OU power being generated. The fact that a high frequency output can light 100w bulbs does not mean 100w was used to light it. If you're stepping the frequency back down to 60hz, that would be apples to apples. Otherwise you're misleading yourself.
Up to 50MHz the skin effect error contribution is under 1% for thin non-coiled filaments.
Filtering-out the high frequency components is not an option because such action would destroy the resistive nature of the incandescent load and this would introduce huge errors.

P.S
Why 60Hz if DC is theoretically optimal

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10915 on: February 21, 2012, 01:06:47 PM »
Nobody bothered to answer a reasonable question - Why would Tesla end his career with energy collecting device patents from atmosphere if he already knew how to 'make' an excess of energy with a machine? ???

That is a sociological question - not a scientific one.
Also not all of the members of this forum base their work on Tesla's or even cite him as an example, so please cease generalizing or address your posts to specific members.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10916 on: February 21, 2012, 02:16:47 PM »

BUT TORID IS NOT TORQUE MECHANISM AT ALL.
TOROID MIGHT BE DOING NOTHING OR JUST SYNCHRONIZED PULSE READING MECHANISM 
READING MAGNETIC FIELD OF SMALL MAGNET EMBEDDED TO THE SHAFT


 Please read  my previous post carefully.
You seem to omit that in post with the pictures I pointed specifically
that TK demonstrated bank of light bulbs connected directly to wire  that was coming out of silver  box


At that  time  frame -[ (Faraday Disc Concept), was not running but light bulbs have been bright.]
So the need for mechanical structure from logical analysis looks like


is to act as


energy source  compartment




That wire instead of light bulbs could be connected directly to electric motor.
and Not connected to Faraday Disc Concept.




So
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Heart  of Berlin,  should not  disregards   this simple logic
take my words seriously.

if

source of energy SOE = 1000W
load  is our  ligtbulb+ motor+ Faraday Disc Concept
than
SOE- load= EOS
EOS  stands for " energy of sustainability"
than
relation of

SOE to load  is

SOE=or > ligtbulb+ motor+ Faraday Disc Concept
but
SOE>]ligtbulb
SOE>motor
SOE>Faraday Disc Concept


Why than TK should use Faraday Disc Concept at all..
The answer might be .. to amuse audience and distract the attention to the audience by concentrating the audience to think 
How Faraday  disc concept  Works?
 instead of thinking
Why he used  heavy dual T  beam metal structure as a base of his device...
in both  situations.


analyze
-metal rigidity  for Faraday Disc Concept needed to sustain forces
-put on the side all of elements of structure  that could be done less expensive way
-take to consideration material  affordability in given geographic location as "variable" when analyzing TK "reasoning" ( TK motivation)
-take to consideration presence of audience that is representing
a. authorized wanderers
b. media
c.investor who paid for  show plus paid access of money to TK.


At point "c." you clearly see that there is no limitation of TK with materials utilized
but purposely
TK was showing his own concern of structure being able to hold ,hide,elements of non-exposure.
 


 In German video  clearly  you see space between the base and floor.
BUT BOTTOM OF THE BASE IS COVERED WITH METAL.......
What  this additional effort was for?
Electronic board was exposed, so why you need to ad metal plate at the bottom  of dual T BEAM metal base?


- the difference between weight of batteries and weight of base (german video) by logical terms
should be
the heavier the base the lighter the batteries
sound strange?
not for me...


example .
-Put on the wooden platform 2 car batteries allowing viewer to see just only a platform  prior to experiment,  then cover his eyes. and go with experiment. let him lift the platform
- exchange the platform for  heavy metal dual T beam frame, allow viewer to see just metal platform than cover his eyes and put two car batteries on it  let him  lift the platform


at second situation he would likely  not notice presence  of batteries at all.representing additional  weight.


"reasoning" of TK is based on L1
at second scenario PAP is < L1


 


again foam was most likely used as covering details, and/or compartment  "doors" and/or access plates and/or to cover exposure of material utilized to listed  factors in this sentence.

All that is left now is to chop video to frames and extract the details mentioned above.













Wesley


please READ MY POST
 AND
POSTS BEFORE
INCLUDING POST WITH THE PICTURES SHOWING WHERE  BATTERIES MIGHT BE HIDDEN
INCLUDING LINKS ATTACHED BY ME 


Wesley


PS: again TK is not fake but he used tricks to elevate himself to the level of public attention.
I have made  philosophical calculation and logical mechanism  of that calculation was pointing
clearly "reasoning" ( look  to Wikipedia)  to the  "summary vector of motion."

term
  "summary vector of motion." should be understand as end effect of calculation pointing direction of motion of TK at any given time of him performing as an inventor.
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CONCLUSION:TARIEL KAPANADZE IS NOT LIAR.HE HAD AT THAT STAGE OF HIS LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT  NOTHING MORE BUT DONALD SMITH DEVICE...that device was further advanced and perfected till the point of show of Turkey

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2a. all of the products in the world  may show the same mechanism..big beautiful box for something  inside that cost very little, is made in China, and has designer name on it.
If I was him?
I would not risk future consequences of this action
But
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TK perception   PTK=L1
FOG x infinity-SOL=PAP=FOG-SOL 
word "infinity" is used as  multiplier 1x,2, ....100000... and so on.
That means that
PAP=FOG-SOL


There you go...
That is  explanation why TK is/was not being denoted, denominated, disintegrated( murdered),Put into the trash,named liar,and prosecuted for fraud  , imprisoned, and so on...They are all in fear of   
 TK hidden files
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10917 on: February 21, 2012, 03:43:42 PM »
perhaps TK needed mass, i.e. an electron source? Hence the metal plates & I beams, this was used in place of a ground perhaps? or the other end of a capacitive load?

So far all of these TK devices look like a SSTC (even the Don Smith units) but modified to use a heaver gauge of wire on the secondary. Now is this based on a TC operation or is it more of a DC surge in the copper coil that emits high energy particles that are captured by the coils?

Something to think about ...
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10918 on: February 21, 2012, 04:18:23 PM »
Nobody bothered to answer a reasonable question - Why would Tesla end his career with energy collecting device patents from atmosphere if he already knew how to 'make' an excess of energy with a machine????


I'm also somewhat skeptical about the beliefs of this entire thread, but mine is somewhat different and I strive to keep quiet; there exist some evidence, that part of Tesla's paperwork was intercepted by some secret entities right after his death and it was never presented to the public.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10919 on: February 21, 2012, 04:56:03 PM »
I'm also somewhat skeptical about the beliefs of this entire thread, but mine is somewhat different and I strive to keep quiet; there exist some evidence, that part of Tesla's paperwork was intercepted by some secret entities right after his death and it was never presented to the public.


correct logical thinking.


If that was proven and ever released...................



When technology of TK becomes world wide used
-by TK giving it to public and by that   being  issued patent
-by means of any other party replicating TK
-by one of investors doing the same to secure his/her own priorities based on contracts signed.
[this is the only way  when  investor can make money  from it apart for being paid for his/her silence by say oil guys. Or part of  investor structure (employee ) will leak this information paid or not paid to the public.]


than


-The rights to TK invention might be compromised by priority of Tesla.


for that.... there is the need to  assign priority of that technology to specific "power" in the world that want to dominate over the rights to that energy.
documentation as prove of evidence  will become necessity
that may lead to exposure of  Tesla documents (if any) :)
 
Than

-the government  might  be accused of hiding secrets of Tesla for benefit of say " oil guys.= energy  guys"
- world governments "by  flow" may say that they  have had this invention for years and show names of "inventors" and "reasoning" pointed at military secrecy. Including government of Georgia.


Than all of stinking dirt will come out because of inertia , ....


Wesley




 
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