Sharing what you know is what is important. There is no controversial subject that should go unchallenged and the more debate the better as long as that debate stays based in truth and facts. Facts however, are not verified through wikipedia. or a conspiracy theorists web site or radio show. My argument against  pollutants being spewed in the atmosphere verses clean sources of energy generation remains unchallenged. So I ask once again, how should we pay for the right thing to do.
Regards
Dave

In furtherance to an earlier reference...as moderator of this forum, only the disruptive posts and inflammatory comments have been deleted or edited.

All opinions respectfully expressed are welcome.

Regarding global warning, I believe it was determined that geothermal activity was responsible for the shrinking arctic icecap.

Whereas the antarctic remains the same as it ever was.

Regards...

and more recently, some more evidence of the pirate/temp relationship.
http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/04/pirates-temperature/

smile guys, it's funny.

The need for oil for many processes that are completely necessary in every day life is obvious. In fact I really enjoy my new Michelins on my vehicle. However, burning it up in my vehicle makes much less sense than say cruising around in an all electric vehicle. Much that is made from oil plastics etc. can and is being recycled. As to facts, there are none posted only stated without accredited studies with corroborated conclusions. Would love to see some. My next reply will cite accredited studies with corroborated conclusions, will yours? I'm not quite sure how to respond to your last statement Bill. I said nothing about outlawing anything that requires oil. As to my opinion, I consider it valid as you probably do yours. I would not deny anyones. By the way, I like your earth battery work a lot and respect your opinion. Can't wait to get back to my project.

Dave 
 
 

Dave:

Hey, it is ok if we disagree.  I am cool with that.  I know you didn't say anything about outlawing everything made using oil, which is why I put my disclaimer in parenthesis that I was speaking to our government policies and not your opinions.

Electric cars are cool and are about to get a whole lot more efficient using supercaps instead of batteries.  The problem is this:  Take CA for instance.  They just passed a law that will require that 40% of the vehicles on the road in the next 5 years will be electric vehicles.  That might be fine if it happened naturally through market driven pressures but it is artificial.  California is already broke, and can't produce enough electricity on their own right now and buys about 25% of their power, at a higher rate, from neighboring states.  Still, even doing this, they have rolling blackouts as a matter of course most of the year.  So, what happens at 5:00 when most folks get home and plug in their cars?  It takes less fossil fuels to produce gas than it does to make all that electricity.

Now I am in favor of nuclear energy and that would solve most of what we are talking about here.  The problem is, if we decided to build 10 plants starting today, it would be over 15 years before the first one was completed due to, yes you guessed it, government regulations. (EPA, etc)  The Navy has used these reactors powering all of ther subs and carriers for over 30 years with no problems.  The next generation reactors consume so much of the nuclear fuel radioactivity that the "waste" is not dangerous at all.  But, they won't go there because that makes no money for Washington.

If everyone had windmills and solar to charge up their cars then, this would take care of the above mentioned problem.  But right now, that is expensive.  Unless most folks wanted to do this, the price probably will not come down all that much soon.  They want to force this upon us which is not the right way to go in my opinion.

As I said earlier, I believe most folks on this site care about the environment and want to help.  That is a good thing.  Thanks for your kind words about my earth battery experiments.

@ Wilby:

You mean I am becomming an endangered species?  Ha ha.

Bill

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@Alan

And they talked on cnn or bbc on how inevitable it is that household energy prices will go up.

Don't worry,
It's hapening here in Australia also at the same time, in September this year, we cannot buy any airconditioner or use an airconditioner rated under 4 stars.

Work this out, a Reverse cycle airconditioner makes a more efficient heat pump than a standard electric radiator, yet the powers that be, (GOV) want us all to ditch our aircons.

There whackos the lot of em.

jim