Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: TheCell on June 25, 2009, 08:59:30 PM

Title: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: TheCell on June 25, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
Anyone bought their manual and succesfully replicated ?

Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: Hman on July 04, 2009, 12:15:27 AM
Do we really need to?

This has been built in the Bendini (and now with their "plan changes" I have to reference Hans Coler) forum on this website.  Actually, the referenced device in May was built years ago before the "magniworks business" concept was ever thought up.  Wonder if the plans are going to continue to drastically change each month?   I mean the "video proof" on their website is a third, completely different device from the "plans" they send you. I guess if you don’t understand the principles they are all the same “bunch of moving magnets with coils” devices. If I look at the number of devices in this website alone, they could change "their" device plans every month and keep their business going for many years...all sold to you to power your home as the "magniworks device plans" for 79% off!

Which is worse:  the suppression of technology from the big guys or the exploitation of technology from the little ones?  Addressing both sides of the coin is necessary to make progress.

This forum (and others) have people who have already built this device (and the next one) many times over without giving money to these guys.  These guys make it hard for the rest of us to legitimize what we are doing.  We need to seek the truth and develop the scientific understanding to help others not get taken.

"The Magniwork Plans sold over 5,000 copies worldwide over the month of May!"
(5000 x $49 = $245,000/month is going to be hard to stop)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magniwork
Our friends need our help.

But maybe you are smarter than me by having a real testimony here, as they have covered google/intranet with all their marketing sites, awards, "testimonials", etc. so getting to the truth is difficult for the average joe.  OK (you convinced me) I'm back on your side...Let's get a manual and post the device results on this forum...Real exposure sounds good to me. 

Who wants to take one for the team to help out our fellow man?

Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: turbo on July 04, 2009, 12:19:11 AM
No Thanks  :)
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: hartiberlin on July 07, 2009, 06:31:03 PM
It seems to be a scam, I just realized that after reading the peswiki pages about it, so I removed my affiliate link in the left menu.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on August 09, 2009, 12:39:20 AM
But maybe you are smarter than me by having a real testimony here, as they have covered google/intranet with all their marketing sites, awards, "testimonials", etc. so getting to the truth is difficult for the average joe.  OK (you convinced me) I'm back on your side...Let's get a manual and post the device results on this forum...Real exposure sounds good to me. 

Who wants to take one for the team to help out our fellow man?

I bought a copy to see what it was - they promise 60 days money back guarantee, and so does Clickbank which is selling their stuff, so unless Clickbank is corrupt I assume/hope there's no problem getting my money back. I wouldn't have done it otherwise. Am I naive?

Anyway, if anyone want's to try to build it I'll send you a copy - I don't have the equipment anyway. They make it sound as if anyone can do it at home with a just screwdriver but this is far from true.

Rich






Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: hartiberlin on August 09, 2009, 02:45:43 AM
Hi Rado,
what concept are they now selling ?
Still the Coler device ?

I tried to stop these scam ads by blockig their domains from my Google
Adsense ads, but they always try to register new domains and in the RSS Feeds
from Feedburner
I have no control what ads will display there... Hmm,,, so it is a cat and mouse game..
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on August 09, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Hi Rado,
what concept are they now selling ?
Still the Coler device ?

I tried to stop these scam ads by blockig their domains from my Google
Adsense ads, but they always try to register new domains and in the RSS Feeds
from Feedburner
I have no control what ads will display there... Hmm,,, so it is a cat and mouse game..

Hi Stefan,

It's the Mini-Romag:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm

The instructions and drawings in the book are copied directly from Naudin's page.

Have anyone got this thing to work?

Rado

Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: Hman on September 02, 2009, 03:31:36 AM
rado--

You are coming up on 30 days...Have you tried to get your money back?

Please do tell...
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on September 02, 2009, 12:21:43 PM
rado--

You are coming up on 30 days...Have you tried to get your money back?

Please do tell...


Yup, no problem, just got my refund. I don't think they can get away with anything else because of the Clickbank rules. I've met a couple of others who also got a refund with no problems. So if anyone have bought their within the last 60 days (not 30 days), go get one yourself.

Just contact Clickbank using this link:
http://www.clickbank.com/orderDetail.htm (http://www.clickbank.com/orderDetail.htm)

Open your order, fill in the form and check the “Refund” button.

Rado
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: McGiver30 on September 03, 2009, 06:32:31 AM
so no plans to share then?
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: sm0ky2 on September 03, 2009, 07:32:26 AM
the never HAD any plans, the whole thing is a scam.

all the posts on their site are copied from OTHER peoples work.
ALL the testomonials are FAKE PEOPLE that dont even exist.

scam. scam. scam.

apparently its working too.. lot of people "buying" from them...

Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 03, 2009, 08:35:56 AM
"ClickBank is not a chartered bank or trust company, or depository institution. ClickBank is not authorized to accept
deposits or trust accounts and is not licensed or regulated by any state or federal banking authority."
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on September 03, 2009, 10:05:21 AM
so no plans to share then?

If you think of the plans in the Magniwork book, you can find them for free here (that's where they copied them from):

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
(note the link to the update on top of the page)

There's nothing else in the book that's of any use, and actually they have altered some of the text so the plans are misleading, so even if this thing works, it may not if you use the Magniwork plans.






Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on September 03, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
"ClickBank is not a chartered bank or trust company, or depository institution. ClickBank is not authorized to accept
deposits or trust accounts and is not licensed or regulated by any state or federal banking authority."

Maybe not, but they offer a 60 day money back guarantee on all purchases made through them. Apparently it works, and that's enough for me.

Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: hartiberlin on September 03, 2009, 10:52:28 AM
I have seen the plans, and it is really done very cheaply.
It is 57 pages long and most of these pages are only about conserving energy
by using LED lamps and other non-relevant things to the generator.

The pages about the generator are just only some copies
of the 3D pictures Jean Louis Naudin put up on his
ROMAG pages.

If you read the ROMAG pages pages you still have more info than in this
Magiwork ebook,
so basiccally it is a big scam just copying JL Naudin´s free work and
selling it.
I have already sent JL Naudin an email to tell him about this
copyright infringement.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on September 03, 2009, 11:12:55 AM
I have already sent JL Naudin an email to tell him about this
copyright infringement.
Regards, Stefan.

I did so too a month ago, but he hasn't replied. I've heard however that they have changed the plans since to yet another device, so maybe he has sent them a complaint.




Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: taraff1 on September 05, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
I spoke with Dan, who "created" the Magniwork Product, and according to him, refunds are UNDER 5%, which is VERY low for a digital product. Apparantly 95% of the people are happy, like the guy at:
Magniwork Review (http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on September 05, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
I spoke with Dan, who "created" the Magniwork Product, and according to him, refunds are UNDER 5%, which is VERY low for a digital product. Apparantly 95% of the people are happy, like the guy at:
Magniwork Review (http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com)

1. This "review" is obviously made by Magniwork themselves. It's also been documented that some of the testimonials on their sites are faked. Why make fake testimonials if the device works? In that case you can get lots of real testimonials. 

2. Contrary to what Magniworks claims, the device is impossible to build without special equipment which very few people have at home (the rotor requires heavy precision machinery to make). So most people, believing it works, most likely postpone the project until they've found a solution, and therefore don't use the money back guarantee within the 60 days. 

3. Why don't Magniwork show a video of a working device of their own, on their website or on YouTube, instead of uploading videos of other people's devices which have nothing to do with the Magniwork device(s) whatsoever? Because they've never built one themselves and tested if it held up to the claims they made. Quote from Magniwork webmaster about the first device (Bedini SG circuit) they sold plans for: "I sent Mr.Bedini email earlier explaining and apologizing myself about my mistake placing the Bedini device as being able to output a power of such proportions. The Bedini motor is currently completely removed from the Magniwork guide."

4. Because the Bedini device didn't work, they then found another device to sell plans for - the Coler device. That didn't work either, so they changed the plans again, this time to the Romag Mini device. I've heard that they since have changed the plans to yet another device, but I don't know why. Wasn't the Romag working either, despite their claims?

If Magniwork or anyone else can prove that any of what I've said here is incorrect, I'll be happy to take back my words and apologize...




Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: klopi on October 11, 2009, 03:06:40 PM
I am discouraged to buy this product by all the negative reviews I found here, and elsewhere on the net like at: http://www.reviewcritical.com/reviews/magniwork
 (http://www.reviewcritical.com/reviews/magniwork)
Who to believe? :) Those with negative comments could be competitors as well right? Has someone documented their tests with a video perhaps showing it definitely does not work?

If it can really cut my electricity bill in half, than that is quite a claim...
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: rado on October 11, 2009, 05:15:33 PM
I am discouraged to buy this product by all the negative reviews I found here, and elsewhere on the net like at: http://www.reviewcritical.com/reviews/magniwork
 (http://www.reviewcritical.com/reviews/magniwork)
Who to believe? :) Those with negative comments could be competitors as well right? Has someone documented their tests with a video perhaps showing it definitely does not work?

If it can really cut my electricity bill in half, than that is quite a claim...

The fact is that they have been changing the plans to completely different devices several times now because of copyright infringement etc.. They've simple copied other people's plans, obviously without testing the devices themselves. And all of the different plans are actually freely available elsewhere on the internet. Here's one of them, a device that possible might work:

http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm




Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 11, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
first of all, for ANYONE to replicate ANY of their devices, and give MAGNIWORK the credit is absurd.

these are not magniwork devices, they belong to other people.
magniwork is a scam/money funnell with the sole intention of lining its creators pockets.

they have done no "tests", all their documentation is phony and/or copied. ALL of the people in their so-called testimonials are invented people, they do not exist. at least not in anypublic-info databases which means: if they did exist, they never held a job, paid taxes or owned credit cards or any physical property in the U.S.  Its very difficult for one person to stay "off the radar" in this country, much less their entire collection of testimonial  "customers"....

NONE of these devices that are even attempted to be replicated should be attributed to MagniWork. But rather to their respective inventors/developers, that actually DID the work to create and test the devices in question. Theres a whole list of them, because as soon as the original inventor(s) discover that magniwork is scamming using their devices - they force them to take it down, and low-and-behold MagniWork resurfaces with SOMEONE ELSES devices.

dont send them any money, and PLEASE - if you are planning on building any of the devices they have on their website, do a little research, find out who they REALLY belong to, and give the credit to the original inventor. don't propegate this scam any further.



Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: Xaverius on October 12, 2009, 08:54:46 AM
Magniwork?  Maybe they are owned by the Illuminati/New World Order/Banking Cartel.  I'll be glad when they get what's coming to them.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 14, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Magniwork?  Maybe they are owned by the Illuminati/New World Order/Banking Cartel.  I'll be glad when they get what's coming to them.
it sounds absurd until you think about it.  I mean if you or I launched an internet scam this large, we'd be in jail by the end of the month.  Not these guys... hmmm... makes you think.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: jibbguy on October 14, 2009, 06:47:59 PM
Good points, Stefan, Smoky, and others here.

A friend sent me the PDF of the plans to look at: And as Stefan said, they suck, they are hideous. NO PHOTOS OF A BUILT DEVICE... Which means whoever is doing this, never even built it themselves. Besides that, there is a critical "magic adjustment" that has to be just right or it won't work (and is not described very well of course)... That's always an important item to add: so it's "your fault" when it doesn't work ;)

It is very possible that this is a deliberate disinfo scam to discredit us (and not just a "regular" scammer). After all.. We don't often see this kind of wide-banded advertising: As already suggested, who has the budget for that? If they had "real" investors, they wouldn't put out cash for an obvious fake design that hasn't been built; especially for advertising something that doesn't even exist... No way does that fit ANY kind of sane business model.

Lol, even the name is very close to the Canadian device that was featured on TV there.

And what kind of scammer puts out 100's of thousands of dollars for advertising on dozens of sites, when he could be called as a fake any day, and lose it all... For VERY questionable returns? And the fact that they keep using Christie's device in their ads (and others), is another reason for suspicion. There is obviously no connection between whoever is behind this and Lutek... So WTH? That is asking for lawsuits. It would be incredibly stupid... And the equation of over $100k dropped in adverts, and "incredible stupidity", just doesn't add up... This really does begin to appear to be a "scam of a scam" lol...

... Another red herring that others' can point at to discredit the actual research we are doing here and other places, that is threatening the status quo.

After all, these schmucks gotta earn their money somehow, lol. If they were given the order to "stop Open Source"... Such attempts, along with forum shills, would be the rather obvious things to try.. And frankly, doesn't even show much in the way of innovation or skill ;)

The ironic thing is, such scams would have been utterly discredited by us in a day or two if it had been presented to the Open Source community.

They can't really debunk many of the technologies we talk about... Since the Universities are forbidden to study them, there are no Studies or mainstream verification tests to point to and many of them have been "secretized" anyway. And when you can't debunk, you must remain silent on them to keep interest to a minimum... Lol, a real difficult problem for them ;)

So their answer is to CREATE other devices that can be easily debunked... And by inference, paint the entire genre as discredited. 

But these little parlor games are risky: They always have a tremendous capability to backfire on them... through Greater Awareness.  When they do this, all it proves is we are getting close and ready to break through, enough for them to go to the trouble for these efforts. And a thorough investigation of these ads could show that they are not from a "real" individual or company, and in so doing... once this story was "widebanded" (and it WOULD go viral on the 'net), this would eventually gain us much more interest than they originally tried to stifle... EVERYBODY loves to hear about plausibly proved examples of suppression, hehehe. 

There are millions of folks who are waking up now: 9-11 Truth, Rule of Law / Prosecution of bush & cheney, Anti-NWO, Anti-War, Anti-Oil & Coal / Pro-Environment, Anti-Vaccine, Anti-Fed / International banksters, Anti-Control of the Mainstream Media, and many other causes such as "Disclosure"... all growing quickly because of the Internet (and showing signs of overlapping into one big movement)... And from what i have seen, some of them are also suffering from professionally done psy-ops campaigns and paid shills: lol, we are not alone there.

Only a small fraction of these aware folks are also up to speed on Free Energy at present (..but we're working on that ;) )... So proof that some corporate cartel or government group is trying to stop us would be GOLD for gaining increased Awareness and support with the other folks (almost as good as a martyre).... Because it validates our work as important enough to attempt to stop, and so is worthy of looking into closer and lending support to.

... And so it gets us to our goals that much faster ;)
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: Xaero_Vincent on October 14, 2009, 08:08:42 PM
Not only is Magniwork a scam and stole other people ideas but the machines they stole don't work, at least to the extent of producing more output power than input.

The Magniwork scam is about over. They've been exposed and a simple Google search reveals their scam.

Check this:

http://www.off-grid.net/2009/10/10/i-sell-poor-quality-magniworks-guides/

David Venaleck, an affiliate of Magniwork, admits that the Magniwork device only generates 24 Watts of power. He then claim “you would need five or six of them to run your home.” Six machines would equal 144 Watts, which is barely enough to power a 120 Watt incandescent lamp. With all our lights, appliances, and electronics running our house would require at least 50 kWh. So even if the device work it would be nearly useless. By his definition I would need 2,083 Magniwork generators. The lie is that the Magniwork device doesn't even generate 24 Watts because the power it takes to run the device must be more than that; using electricity to power an electro-magnet generator that produces less electricity is useless. Its much like taking a battery-powered light to run a solar panel and using the power generated from the panel to recharge the battery--it doesn't work.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: hartiberlin on October 23, 2009, 02:24:44 AM
Okay, to stop this rippoff,
the PDF File they sell is uploaded over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=346

You can freely download it and don´t have to pay.

This hopefully will stop their Ripoff to sell a nonworking concept
with Fake advertisement.
Title: Re: magniwork magnetic generator - Replicators
Post by: BEP on October 23, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Thanks Stefan.

The PDF is worth reading. At least it was for me until I came to this part:

"Q: What kind of material should be used for the brass rotor?

A: You can use copper, zinc, tin, or lead, we recommend using copper."

My comment:

Then why the H. E. Double-toothpicks is it called a "brass rotor"?

Are we sure this document is not part of some comedy? I think the document is funny. Are there really folks out there paying for this? If so, I'm in the wrong business.