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Author Topic: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.  (Read 38885 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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I had an ingenious idea to run two microwave inverters in series.

thinking i could drop 45VK down to 2300, then again down to 115V

little did i realize, these things are designed for 2-3KV, when i pump 45KV through it, it sparks all over the place and doesnt do its job....

Does anyone have some advice as to inverting such a high voltage?
specific type of wires to use? coil design, ect?

running the HV current through an intense magnetic field has a 'tension building effect' possibly could be compared to a variable capacitance, this may prove important in the process.
Paul Baumann called this effect "a magnetic choke"
the effect is basically a slowing of the static transmission, it appears to build up current as well but i have no way of measuring that for sure..
HV doesnt like my equipment....

anyhow:::   im looking to coil up a massive inverter something like 1k to 1

if such a thing is possible. and i need it to be able to handle 45K +/- on the HV side.

any help is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 07:37:47 AM »
@sm0ky2,

Attached is a proposal on how to do it. I must add that I have NOT build and tested such a circuit. Knowing that most car ignition coils are designed to withstand very high voltage will make this circuit possible. Just remember to connect the car coil so that the high voltage winding goes to the spark plugs. The low voltage winding goes to the diode bridge. The high voltage capacitor MUST be of a high voltage type. If you bend the L part of the spark plugs outwards then you can adjust for higher input voltage.

Hope this helps you. Good luck.

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2009, 03:35:26 PM »
@Groundloop,
Would your circuit work if the high voltage source supplied next to no current as with a Wimshurst machine? I know you're storing in the capacitor and then arcing at the spark plugs so it's time-compressed but I'd think (and you'd probably know better) the coil needs enough current to build up a magnetic field in order to work.
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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 05:08:51 PM »
Steven Dufresne,

As I said, I have not tested this circuit, but I think it will work.

If you want to supply high voltage from a Wimshurst machine then
you need to make sure the two resistors has a high enough value
so that you do not load the Wimshurst machine too much.

The car ignition coil is used in a reversed order in this circuit. The
high voltage winding is connected to the spark plugs. So the C1 capacitor
must be a high voltage type so that the voltage can build up to a higher
voltage for the spark to go off. The currrent needed depends on the actual
size of the capacitor. The higher the Farad value the more current in each
discharge. But with a week input it will take longer time to charge the cap.

Yes, I think this circuit will work very well as long as you do not exseed the
maximum voltage the ignition coil can handle.

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Groundloop.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 08:22:59 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 05:02:32 AM »
@Groundloop,
Would your circuit work if the high voltage source supplied next to no current as with a Wimshurst machine? .... the coil needs enough current to build up a magnetic field in order to work.
-Steve

this can be controlled to some degree with the 'gap' on the plugs, and/or adding leyden jars / HV caps.     

I've been using jars myself, because the only "HV Capacitors" i can get my hands on are from Microwaves. unfortunately - those toto are only rated for 2-3Kv,  the voltages im dealing with are WAY too much for those caps.

2 jars of opposite charge (should) act just like an HV cap in this circuit, i'll give it a shot. my mechanic assures me that the ignition coil CAN BE run in reverse to do what we're talking about, but he also cautioned about losses.
 

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2009, 07:22:25 AM »
@sm0ky2,

Yes, Leyden jars will do fine for the C1 capacitor. It is also possible to make your own
high voltage capacitor. One layer of kitchen plastic foil can take approx. 5000 volt.
So 10 layers is close to 50.000 volt. Then use aluminum foil and and plastic foil alternating.
(It is a some work to make one, though.)

The losses in a car coil is approx. the same as in every other transformer. The resistance
in the copper wires will convert some of the energy to heat. It is still doable, I think.

Oh, one other thing, be very careful when working with high voltage capacitors.
Even Leyden jars can hold a huge amount of charge for a long time. Always discharge
the capacitors before working on the circuit.

Regards,
Groundloop.

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 05:05:23 AM »
after everything ive tried, the best power output ive been able to come up with is through a solar-array, collecting the photoluminescence of the sparks at high frequency.

still in the mW range.  nothing very usefull as of yet. certainly not enough to cover the draw of a motor spinning the disks..


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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2009, 05:47:26 AM »
You can also take off the glass ball of a Plasma Ball device and then turn it on in the vicinity of the Wimhurst disk and it will help spray extra charge onto the disk, inside the plasma ball is an antenna that radiates some good charge to play with, you can also charge caps as well with the antenna.

Just giving out some spare change.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2009, 07:55:30 AM »
The best way I know of to convert HV to lower voltage is to use a Tesla Coil in reverse.
Wind a large number of turns of wire around a plastic pipe for the HV end and then
wind thick wire around the outside for the LV end.
Adjust the number of turns until you get the LV output you want.

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2009, 03:24:37 PM »
tested:

http://www.hcrs.at/KAPTRAFO.HTM

I wish I could read/speak German, because your apparatus looks interesting and elegant!

Cheers

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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 05:00:17 PM »
The real Testatika machine is interesting in that the voltage
on the Wimhurst disk is collected via capacitive plates rather
than brushes. This gets rid of the brushes tendancy to
wear-out over time. A sequence of operational steps is required to do
this though. One could call the Testatika an AC Wimhurst machine.
The testatika machine then runs the power through what would be
called a single tube RF power oscillator with a resonant transformer
containing step down taps. This allows the final waveform steps to be
synthesised from the taps. What the testatika machine is doing is
trying to keep part of the disk's voltage high, so it can help recruit
additional charge from its surrounding environment while still suppling
large amounts of power to be stepped down. The moving voltage
components on the disk are designed to help level out HV discharge
wear on the disk. As a byproduct of the above the final voltage
waveform is lower than it would otherwise would be if the electricity
was taken directly as static.

So using an inverse Tesla Coil as a step down method is valid.
The spark gap of a standard tesla coil generates RF just like
an RF oscillator. Another name for a Tesla coil is an RF step up
transformer.

An amature-radio RF final amplifier is a relatively simple one
tube power circuit, and in it's maximum incantation, has an
output power similar to a testatika machine. The capacitive
coupling of the winhurst machine would keep the plate voltage
from going into the 10KV range where one begins to have to
be concerned about generating x-radiation. The principal reason
for using RF voltage step down - only a few turns of low mass copper
pipe can be used to form the step down transformer that would
require a certain amount of iron in a LF AC operation otherwise.

So do I think the testatika worked, the overunity energy gain
is produced by the free electron method by the wimhurst machine.
 
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Re: Method for converting HV (static) into usable low-voltage power.
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2009, 07:22:27 PM »
Tesla had his Patent 577671, described at:
htp://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter7.pdf
Yes, the capacitor has to be a good one.

 

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