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Title: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
Assuming Steven Mark (SM) was truthful.    What are some potentially  useful clues  within the demo videos?   I'm going list everything I've noticed.

As far as I know these are the only videos (and info) available:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator#Videos

In the "Solid State video #2" I noticed the following..

SM claims the device:
- is solid state
- has  a slight gyroscopic effect
- has an output of HV DC  around 5000 Hz
- doesn't produce much heat





Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 12:19:05 AM
In the short video #3,  SM says the following:

- TPUs are "conversion devices" and not "free energy". 

- The TPU  takes energy from the earth's magnetic field, which has an "inherent frequency" and  he "tunes" into that frequency.

           Possible problems  with this statement:   Among other things,   the earth's magnetic field doesn't actually have a frequency, AFAIK.

-  His first device was constructed with cheap parts, and bailing wire

-  It vibrates at 7.3 Hz

-  The devices is based on "coils interacting" and "frequency patterns"

-  It doesn't work upside down




Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 02:21:23 AM
In the short video #3,  SM says the following:

- TPUs are "conversion devices" and not "free energy". 

- The TPU  takes energy from the earth's magnetic field, which has an "inherent frequency" and  he "tunes" into that frequency.

           Possible problems  with this statement:   Among other things,   the earth's magnetic field doesn't actually have a frequency, AFAIK.

-  His first device was constructed with cheap parts, and bailing wire

-  It vibrates at 7.3 Hz

-  The devices is based on "coils interacting" and "frequency patterns"

-  It doesn't work upside down

ha!

you make me sad bro ....   the earth does have a freqency....   hummmm  and a bunch of harmonics .... 

omg ...   i have had no schooling in any of this ...   perhaps you have had toooooo  much!! 

maybe ill have to make a documentry to explain it to the silly hu-man world ...

dude just do a youtube serch for reiki ...

then come on back and tell me how it dont have any freq or harmonics ... 

BTW THE SUN  DOES THE SAME THING BUT IT MAKES STANDING GROOVES THE PLANETS RIDE IN ......

ILL LEAVE IT THERE ...   dont want to blow your whole mind in just a few days .....   :D

will i am
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 25, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 04:11:59 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance

The Schumann resonance is interesting, but what does it have to do with Earth's magnetic field?  The earth's magnetic field doesn't pulse at a frequency, or have anything to do with Schumann resonance...  If you can find a reference on the web feel free to post it.

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 04:22:09 AM
Video #1 seems to provide the most clues with wrt the TPUs construction..   Some observations (I didn't look too closely at the design):

-  Strange shape of the unit (toroid) ... Thin, and wide...   6" high and about 2+" thick..       I doubt these toroids are home made, but what type of appliance did they come from?  Old TVs?  Speakers?


- When they cut the TPU in half, you can see the core material in the middle then a circular wound bundle of wires on the top, and a bundle of wires on the bottom of the core.   At about 26:39 you can see the output wires (black and white)  which are on the top of the unit (alternating black/white).

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 25, 2009, 04:35:34 AM
The Schumann resonance is interesting, but what does it have to do with Earth's magnetic field?  The earth's magnetic field doesn't pulse at a frequency, or have anything to do with Schumann resonance...  If you can find a reference on the web feel free to post it.

This depend on you idea of what is earth magnetic field , plus resonance come from where ?


And if you look at video 3 i think when sm show us the underside of the tpu you can see its a 100 dvd plastic  holder .

Mark
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2009, 04:49:54 AM
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Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 25, 2009, 04:52:55 AM
@Mk1

Might be a good idea to look at the time frame of those videos. DVD probably didn't exist then. CD's were only used for audio and very few as high end data storage. It looks more like a common plastic wire spool.

Dvd or cd you get the picture did you even look at it?

Mark
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 04:53:36 AM
This depend on you idea of what is earth magnetic field , plus resonance come from where ?


And if you look at video 3 i think when sm show us the underside of the tpu you can see its a 100 dvd plastic  holder .

Mark

 ;) ;D

LOL

RESONANCE IN AN EFFECT TO WHAT IS THE CAUSE ....  LOL

IST

OOO0000oooo RIGHT THE KICK ....
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2009, 04:58:04 AM
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Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 25, 2009, 05:00:22 AM
I know it by heart. Have you considered when the video was made?

Well you said it m8.

Mark
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 05:11:14 AM
This depend on you idea of what is earth magnetic field , plus resonance come from where ?

This has nothing to do with "My idea" on earth's magnetic field.    It either has a frequency or it doesn't..   And from what I can tell it doesn't.

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And if you look at video 3 i think when sm show us the underside of the tpu you can see its a 100 dvd plastic  holder .
Mark
Ah.. I Didn't notice that.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 05:12:07 AM
Lets try to keep this discussion to real facts and observations...  Feel free to add to this list.

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 06:46:42 AM
You can be more specific. :)

The magnetic field of the earth is made up of three specific elements.

1.The first element is the magnetic field of the earth which is mainly steady and makes the compass point north.(no frequency)

2.Then on top of the magnetic field there is the Schumann resonance caused by lightning.(7,8Hertz and overtones up)
This is sometimes reffered to as The natural electromagnetic field of the earth.

3.Last but not least on three, we have the man made fields which are mainly the 50/60Hertz buzz from the grid, and all the other radio frequency signals, this is often reffered to as the Man made electromagnetic field of the earth.

In the first video Steven talks about The natural electromagnetic field of the earth.

M.

This has nothing to do with "My idea" on earth's magnetic field.    It either has a frequency or it doesn't..   And from what I can tell it doesn't.
Ah.. I Didn't notice that.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 07:27:22 AM
You can be more specific. :)

The magnetic field of the earth is made up of three specific elements.

1.The first element is the magnetic field of the earth which is mainly steady and makes the compass point north.(no frequency)

2.Then on top of the magnetic field there is the Schumann resonance caused by lightning.(7,8Hertz and overtones up)
This is sometimes reffered to as The natural electromagnetic field of the earth.

3.Last but not least on three, we have the man made fields which are mainly the 50/60Hertz buzz from the grid, and all the other radio frequency signals, this is often reffered to as the Man made electromagnetic field of the earth.

In the first video Steven talks about The natural electromagnetic field of the earth.

M.

marco i do agree with this ... 

so fundemental 7.5  harmonics ...  up

same as my stones ....  and all of the advanced things i have been digging into ...

 ;D

ill leave it to you guys ...   if your finally gonna talk ...

i got some tricky stuff to figure out lol  :D

ist!

but of course it comes easy to me cuz i wear my rocks .....  lol
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Newbie, aren't you finding this stuff parallels the Stan Meyer stuff we are involved in.

If anything I find the Steven Mark videos far more credible than anything Meyer produced, and to his credit, Mark never went to the trouble of inventing his own psuedoscience and writing a nonsensical technical brief to infer he knew exactly what was is happening.

My point being that I doubt Mark understood what was happening anymore than anyone else, so anything he says are only his opinions and can not be taken as fact.

Add to this any deliberate misinfo he subtly drops in every now and then to protect his design and we could easily be looking at things in completely the wrong light.

I had to smile at the video where one guy is using a jigsaw to cut up a large TPU - it looks imminent that he will lose a finger - the Health and Safety folks would have wet themselves watching that!

Incidentally, according to everything I've seen, the TPU's do get very hot, and in fact this is an operational limiting factor in most of the videos. Don't know where you heard that they stayed cool?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 09:57:51 AM

Add to this any deliberate misinfo he subtly drops in every now and then to protect his design and we could easily be looking at things in completely the wrong light.


Exactly  :)

So filter out the crap and keep it simple.

M.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
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So filter out the crap and keep it simple.


It's not just about filtering out any crap that SM might have alluded to, but also filtering out the 'wheat from the chaff' in terms of forum members. There plainly are some big egos that talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. Many attention seekers simply muddying the waters.

Some of these members appear to have the Stan Meyer knack of impressing the gulible with their scientific jargon and lengthy posts, but ultimately they actually say nothing meaningful and provide nothing of any value.

Not one person has said, 'Yes I built a TPU, it was constructed in such and such a way, this is what I discovered and these are the results I got'. Not one person has offered to talk about there personal TPU build.

It was indicated that in the past people had stolen ideas from this forum and then personally profited from those ideas, which I somehow doubt, as clearly no one has made any progress here and there is certainly nothing worth stealing!
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
Yes well it's a bit of a complex situation and we also have board administration that cares more about the board's layout then cares about what's in the threads...
In your case, you just picked the wrong forum :)
Which is understandable, because this board has the longest threads due to all the crap you just mentioned and so it looks like the best source of information whilst it is not.

M.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: otto on June 25, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
Hello all,

@Farah Day,

almost 2 years ago I jumped out with my ECD TPU. It was not a good TPU but....it was a step in the right direction.

Only 1 nice man replicated this TPU, made a video... since then - almost nothing.

Now about my cryptic posts that you hate:

I want to describe the TPU problem in simple words so everybody can understand it:

imagine a TPU can deliver 200W on the output. Your load is only a 100W bulb. What to do with the 100W that you dont need?
imagine a TPU that can give you say....1000W and you have connected only a 100W bulb.

Whats with 900W that you dont need??

SM said that there are 14 or so patents ONLY for the control of this "beast".

Now, how can I jump out with drawings and all the crap needed to rebuild a TPU when Im in this moment not able to control this device?

Isnt it more then enough that I risk my life? Yes, it should be totally clear that a TPU isnt just a toy. Its a extremly dangerous beast and if you dont know how and why you will execute yourself.

So, in short, you have to wait a little bit until its finished. But maybe another member of this forum understands finally what is going on in a TPU and will post it.

Otto

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: otto on June 25, 2009, 04:30:56 PM
Hello all,

@Stefan

it seems that I have now problems not only with PMs but also with posting my textes!!!

Not only from my home PC, the same happens with the PC on my workplace.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
Otto

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imagine a TPU can deliver 200W on the output. Your load is only a 100W bulb. What to do with the 100W that you dont need?
imagine a TPU that can give you say....1000W and you have connected only a 100W bulb.

Whats with 900W that you dont need??

This depends on whether or not your TPU dissipates heat without a load... does it? If it does not get hot without a load there should be no problem.

If you plug an appliance into a 120/240v mains socket, that socket maybe capable of providing 30amps without tripping a fuse, but the appliance you plug into it will only draw the current it needs.  If that current is 2 amps, you don't need to worry about the other 28amps the socket is capable of delivering... do you.

Maybe you would be less likely to kill yourself if you shared your findings to date - afterall you won't be able to do this if your dead!
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
Newbie, aren't you finding this stuff parallels the Stan Meyer stuff we are involved in.

Not really,  I haven't noticed anything in particular, other than the same cult-like following...    What did you notice?

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Incidentally, according to everything I've seen, the TPU's do get very hot, and in fact this is an operational limiting factor in most of the videos. Don't know where you heard that they stayed cool?

I believe it was video #2, where he  says the unit stays "relatively cool to the touch".
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
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Not really,  I haven't noticed anything in particular, other than the same cult-like following...    What did you notice?


I was thinking in terms of the videos, unsubstantiated claims, heresay, misinfo and of course not forgeting the ample sprinkling of nonsense posters.  One thing I will say though, they are more mildy mannered here and there is very little foul language. And apart from the ist bloke, most people here seem fairly literate.

Well from what I've learned, SM had to periodically turn off the devices in order to let them cool down, but of course I do not know how this relates to load. It is mentioned on numerous occasions though, as this seemed to be the TPUs achilles heal.
Title: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 07:36:51 PM
Here's something probably worth discussing..

According to Marco's compilation and the  'Lindsay Letters'   ... SM talks about voltage "kicks"  being the source of the TPU phenomena..      I.E. 

"It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very
high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed."

Now, I'm pretty sure this phenomena is real and well known by most electrical engineers..   Would this just be considered a "voltage spike" caused by BEMF?

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

SM seems to be implying that this "kick" is overunity..  In SM's words..

(pg. 6  in 'Dear Lindsay')
"SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal"
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible."


What is a "Kick" really?   


Also, how do we know these letters are credible?


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 07:43:39 PM

Whats with 900W that you dont need??

Otto, You seem to be implying that you have an OU TPU..     Are you complaining about that?

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 07:52:32 PM
it is HEMF   AND THAT MEANS HIGH ELECTRO MOTIVE FORCE

didnt you SEE MY TRANSFORMER .... ? 

LOL


LIKE I HAVE SAID THIS IS SOOO  OLD IT IS YOUR HISTORY ..   

AND NOW IT IS MINE ... 

DO U KNOW WHY ?
 
THE LITTLE KICK OCOURS   BECAUSE OF THE OFF TIMES .. 

AND THE KICK IS FASTER THAN LIGHT!!

 ;D

BTW IF YOU PUT IT IN A CLOSED LOOP SELF ACCELERATING WHAT IS THE RESULT??

A RUNAWAY ::)

WIZE UP SOME .... ALREADY 

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE NOT PLANS FOR A SELF DESTRUCTING COIL ... DUH!

TRY A JT ...  IT IS A MUCH SAFER WAY    :P

A TIME DIFFRENCIAL TPU ...  THAT RUNS IN 2 TIMES 3 4 5 6 10 100  THE PRINCABLE IS EXACTLLY THE SAME ...   JUST CASCADE AMPED NON CLOSED LOOP  :o

SO WHAT IS IN MY BELOW PICTURE .... 

SHEESH

HELL NO YOU DONT KNOW HOW IT WORKS DO YOU ...  HOW COULD U UNLESS YOU FIGURED IT OUT AS I HAVE DONE

THIS RUNS ON MAGIC!
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 08:47:36 PM

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

Also, how do we know these letters are credible?

How about trying  ::)

M.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 09:02:27 PM
Well from what I've learned, SM had to periodically turn off the devices in order to let them cool down, but of course I do not know how this relates to load. It is mentioned on numerous occasions though, as this seemed to be the TPUs achilles heal.

If you had read everything, you 'd know that the heating issue was on early units and not later units.
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 09:09:18 PM
Here's something probably worth discussing..

According to Marco's compilation and the  'Lindsay Letters'   ... SM talks about voltage "kicks"  being the source of the TPU phenomena..      I.E. 

"It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very
high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed."

Now, I'm pretty sure this phenomena is real and well known by most electrical engineers..   Would this just be considered a "voltage spike" caused by BEMF?

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

SM seems to be implying that this "kick" is overunity..  In SM's words..

(pg. 6  in 'Dear Lindsay')
"SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal"
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible."

What is a "Kick" really?   

Also, how do we know these letters are credible?

SM was cryptic but I do not believe that he ever deliberately lied in his statements regarding the device. 

SM explains the process in the quote you just posted, but rather than experiment with that you two would rather ask endless questions and make snide remarks.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
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If you had read everything, you 'd know that the heating issue was on early units and not later units.

I'd love to know your reference to that Grumps, because I've seen nothing about later TPUs anywhere... please, provide a link to later TPUs.

I've also just sat through two torturous hours of the radio interview with Jack Durban whereby the TPUs at the time could only be operated for 19 or 20 mins at a time due to the heating problem. Granted that was a decade ago, but isn't all the video footage etc, from that time?

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

Isn't learning all about asking questions?  It's the people that don't ask any questions you want to worry about.

Snide remarks... us... never!
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 09:29:56 PM
You are just here to start shit so piss off.

(You must be the sister of "pennies_everywhere" - He/She was quite good at starting a riot on a forum.)



I'd love to know your reference to that Grumps, because I've seen nothing about later TPUs anywhere... please, provide a link to later TPUs.

I've also just sat through two torturous hours of the radio interview with Jack Durban whereby the TPUs at the time could only be operated for 19 or 20 mins at a time due to the heating problem. Granted that was a decade ago, but isn't all the video footage etc, from that time?

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

Isn't learning all about asking questions?  It's the people that don't ask any questions you want to worry about.

Snide remarks... us... never!
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 09:38:46 PM
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You are just here to start shit so piss off.

Now, now, language Grumps. Is that just your way of telling me that you can't provide a reference to later TPUs?

You want me to go away?  What... and leave you guys going round and round in circles forever?  Are you worried that you might actually learn something?

Take a chill pill before you burst a blood vessel and go and have a lie down if it's all becoming too much for you.  ;)

Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
How about trying  ::)

M.

An experiment to observe BEMF spikes?
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 09:58:50 PM
Grumpy, 

What snide remarks?  This thread was going pretty smooth until this post of yours..

Quote
SM explains the process in the quote you just posted, but rather than experiment with that you two would rather ask endless questions and make snide remarks.

And what's wrong with questions?  Questions are how people share knowledge and make progress..   That's  good thing, Right?
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: tsl on June 25, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
Here's something probably worth discussing..

According to Marco's compilation and the  'Lindsay Letters'   ... SM talks about voltage "kicks"  being the source of the TPU phenomena..      I.E. 

"It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very
high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed
."

Now, I'm pretty sure this phenomena is real and well known by most electrical engineers..   Would this just be considered a "voltage spike" caused by BEMF?

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

SM seems to be implying that this "kick" is overunity..  In SM's words..

(pg. 6  in 'Dear Lindsay')
"SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal"
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible."


What is a "Kick" really?   


Also, how do we know these letters are credible?
I may be wrong but i think Tesla observed a motional electric field spike, see Hooper,anyway it's not related to the tpu imho.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
@ marco

naw 

no 3d stuff yet lol

;)

maybe a toride ..  with some break coils on it lock it in the ferroite

start it with a magnet ... 

but  some of thease people  here are just to smart to figure anything out ...

so i aint gonna just do it for them tooo... 
 
mind you i have been locking orbits for QUITE SOME TIME  :D  i had to invent a way to make my own gold so i can expairment with it is far to costly for me to buy ...

:)

but im move ing right now .....  just because i can concive some wonderful ideas does not mean i have all the skills requried to build it and fully explain it .. 

none the less i know what i know if you know what i mean lol 

will i am 
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 10:57:26 PM
An experiment to observe BEMF spikes?

It's a start isn't it  ::)
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 11:07:51 PM
you can get really mental and slam 2 flybacks togather at the same time

npn pnp   lol

kind like the smashers ...  but it is not required ..

probally kill your self in the process playing with that ...  ;)

ist

think twice ..
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 11:10:32 PM
I may be wrong but i think Tesla observed a motional electric field spike, see Hooper,anyway it's not related to the tpu imho.

the interaction of fields probably is related

Edit1:
You create the proper moving field around a conductor to create current flow.

Edit2:
I had no intention to write "f**k off".As I allready have said:google and the internet is not allways The source of information.My intention was to point you guys in a certain direction, that's why i came with the "intellectually" inserted" thing.The radial magnetic field has per se indeed nothing to do with OU.But, the interaction between fields have.So to make it simpler :For a conductor carrying current you will allways have a circular magnetic field, i think you agree with that.Now if the field lines are not circular ones but are all pointing from the center axis of the conductor away-hence the term radial- you have a radial magnetic field.Or another example take a look at a simple permanent magnet.What do you see?I bet you see how the field lines comes out from the north pole and goes back to the south pole.Nothing wrong with that too.But now try not to look from the side but from the top, so that you see only one pole.what do you see now?if you look to the north pole you'll see how the field lines are emerging from the center-the pole- in radial manner(one plane view).there are much more examples of such radial fields(the electrostatic field of a isolated charge is also a radial one).Anyway ,the point, my point was to make you think about certain interactions between such a radial field and a circular one.

Edit3:
@Chef
Nice.But you get this because of the interaction of 2 fields not from a pulsed coil alone.

BTW there is only one control coil and that's the one on the outside, the ones on the collector are for inducing the effect.The freq on the controll is around 5kHz (square or not).remember: the first ,the second harmonic and the third
(example 20kHz,60kHz,5kHz).

Hmm

Tsl modulates the control field at 5k - ain't that the cat's pajamas?

Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 11:31:37 PM
It's a start isn't it  ::)

I guess, but I'm not someone who needs to observe something  experimentally to believe it  exists..    My question is simple, and the answer is probably available on the web somewhere...  Or in the mind of someone here, maybe?

What is the difference between a BEMF "spike" and  "kick"?     Or is this information top secret?  :-X

I've seen BEMF spikes through a scope before, btw.


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 11:53:35 PM
explain your term bemf  please ....


i would interpt it as a colpaseing elecrtomagnet feild  but i have seen coliding waves on a scope combining as 1 big kick of current   

this is diffrent then HEMF   hemf is an inductance thing done with 1 freq ...  bassed on mass to mass tuneing of diffrent inductances and its sole use is  to make a simple device self run...

and provide a means of timeing ... 

ist
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 12:08:03 AM
I guess, but I'm not someone who needs to observe something  experimentally to believe it  exists..    My question is simple, and the answer is probably available on the web somewhere...  Or in the mind of someone here, maybe?

What is the difference between a BEMF "spike" and  "kick"?     Or is this information top secret?  :-X

I've seen BEMF spikes through a scope before, btw.

First of all your term Bemf is wrong.
Bemf happens when the field is growing, it is the resistive force that pushes back while you put in energy.
The spike you are reffering to is called inductive kickback.

Is there is any diffrence between inductive kickback and the kick?
Again only one way to find out.

Maybe you should not believe anything, unless you have seen it yourself, with your own eyes.
If you believe everything you will end up nowhere.
So you can either walk the path few have chosen, or believe whatever you want to believe....

M.
Title: Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Marco,

I'll experiment when the time comes, but I want all the facts first...   


Maybe you should not believe anything, unless you have seen it yourself, with your own eyes.
If you believe everything you will end up nowhere.
So you can either walk the path few have chosen, or believe whatever you want to believe....

M.

If I had to "walk the path" (aka experiment) to believe every well known scientific concept, I would be walking  paths all day  and learning very little.    So I'm not going  to play that game until there's a real mystery.   I have a lot of (justifiable) confidence in the scientists and physicists that built the high tech world we live in.

The TPU kicks might be a real scientific mystery, I don't know, but I'm very skeptical atm...  But tinkering around with a well known mechanism (voltage spikes) and thinking  it's OU..  is pointless.

Maybe someone else can explain what a TPU kick is, or how to obtain one?  Why they're unique?   So we can make some progress (aka sharing experiences and information).



Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 26, 2009, 01:42:23 AM
@Newbie


http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday/index.html

Introduction to the kick , look what happens when you close and open the  circuit.

Mark
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 26, 2009, 06:14:34 AM
@Newbie


http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday/index.html

Introduction to the kick , look what happens when you close and open the  circuit.

Mark

lol 

love it !!

ist   

what a proof...  awesome ....  children of the night.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cOJjlyh7w
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
IF that is  the TPU "kick"  ..   I think it's safe to say it's a well known phenomena, and probably not OU ...   Unless there is something wrong with Faraday's law of induction.

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on June 26, 2009, 06:47:36 AM
@newbie

Keep sleeping ...


You are not going to make money here .


The truth is hidden in plain site...
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 06:55:50 AM

You are not going to make money here .


I'm not here in an attempt to make money.  No matter how you look at it there definitely is "no money" here, or in OU (if it exists).

Quote
The truth is hidden in plain site...
But I'm not going to play BS games with anyone, or piss up a rope..


Where would the extra energy come from in a "kick"? .. Do you really think the energy stored in a inductor is "free energy"?   

If you put a "surge" (amps)  into an inductor or xformer ..  you get back a "kick" (voltage) .. But the energy is the exact same minus losses. 

Am I missing something?

 



Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: otto on June 26, 2009, 08:13:52 AM
Hello all,

@Farah Day,

you dont understand the problem in a TPU:

we must be able to "dissipate" the excess energy that we have in a TPU. If not, the TPU would be  destroyed in a few mintes. And this IS the reason of so much patents.The heat in a TPU is not because of the load. Its because of the construction of the TPU.

Please, dont even mention a mains socket. We are working on something totally different.

Learning is NOT asking questions but working a lot.

@newbie 123

not so a long time ago I lighted a 100W bulb with only 60W or less from the power supply. SO WHAT??
I DID IT WRONG, so I even dont have a schematic or drawing how I connected my coils. This "overunity" was a piece of s..t!

@All

I cant understand the newbies here! Youre all asking questions but nobody wants dirty and burned fingers. Is this the way to build your TPU??

Let me tell you something:

Im amost 40 years in electronics. I NEVER had to build and test any coil.
When I started my TPU adventure I started from ZERO.

After a lot of wound coils, after thousands of tests I made the ECD TPU.

I used every information that SM gave us. And forget that he misleaded us or such a crap. He gave us very good informations - if you know how to use them.

The last 2? years or more? I had NO free weekend, no free vacation, no BEER!! .....and I really love beer!

And now you want informations!!

I GAVE YOU THE BEST INFORMATIONS YOU EVER SAW ON THIS THREAD!

To be honest, this informations are even NOT for the people on this forum!
I gave them for 2 real TPU builders that are not anymore posting here but I have the information that they are still working on the TPU problem and both are fantastic people. But I thought why no to post my informations here....maybe somebody else would pick them up and use.....ha! It seems that I was wrong.

Now, if you want dirty and burned fingers here you go:

read first my ECD pdf (dont ask where it is, I dont know it)
make a... say....10 turns collector ( with LAMP WIRE!) with a diameter of 15" and connect it to your oscillators and to a bulb. Like described in the ECD pdf.
In this way you can understand the circumference of a TPU and the frequency inside the collector. Of course, when you have pulsed this 10 turns, you have to cut such a collector so you have 9 turns, then 8 turns....

I think you have a lot to do.

Otto







Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 09:23:09 AM
Otto, so I take it that you're not going to share anything that you have done or discovered.

Quote
you dont understand the problem in a TPU:

we must be able to "dissipate" the excess energy that we have in a TPU. If not, the TPU would be  destroyed in a few mintes. And this IS the reason of so much patents.The heat in a TPU is not because of the load. Its because of the construction of the TPU.

So does your TPU heat up even without a load?  Simple question!

Quote
I cant understand the newbies here! Youre all asking questions but nobody wants dirty and burned fingers. Is this the way to build your TPU??

I'm personally asking questions in order to gain as much information as possible before I go into experimenting and prototyping.

Why would I start a blind build when - supposedly - you guys are way ahead of me and should therefore have a wealth of information to share?

There appears to be absolutely no team work or collaboration going on here. People who say they have built TPUs seem more than happy to keep the details to themselves, nothing is shared and there is no straight, plain talking, just incoherent babblings.

And don't think that I'm in a minority with my thoughts here - there will be many intelligent people looking in that are thinking exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: otto on June 26, 2009, 09:39:23 AM
Hello all,

@Farah Day

Im still building my TPU. As its a little bit complex I cant jump out like an idiot and mislead the people. First I have to see whats going on in my TPU with my eyes and then I can talk about how to do it.

No heat in this moment. Thats veeeery bad. Simple answer.

Trust me, there was NOTHING to share in the past because they ALL missed one of the most important informations SM gave: the core.

Otto

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: wings on June 26, 2009, 09:51:40 AM
Otto, so I take it that you're not going to share anything that you have done or discovered.
>:( >:( >:(
see here all the documents that Otto give to us:

http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/

http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/a-pdfs/


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: rensseak on June 26, 2009, 10:20:42 AM
Otto, so I take it that you're not going to share anything that you have done or discovered.

So does your TPU heat up even without a load?  Simple question!

I'm personally asking questions in order to gain as much information as possible before I go into experimenting and prototyping.

Why would I start a blind build when - supposedly - you guys are way ahead of me and should therefore have a wealth of information to share?

There appears to be absolutely no team work or collaboration going on here. People who say they have built TPUs seem more than happy to keep the details to themselves, nothing is shared and there is no straight, plain talking, just incoherent babblings.

And don't think that I'm in a minority with my thoughts here - there will be many intelligent people looking in that are thinking exactly the same thing.


the best would be you got finished and ready to make results so that it is not so much pain for you. Right? What if you read some of Teslas patents, the big inspiration of SM and otto and all the other experimenters, and do your own experiments?

If you can not help, for what you are then here?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: otto on June 26, 2009, 10:33:07 AM
Hello all,

@wings

thanks for the link, I didnt know that somebody cares about my work.

@rensseak

 Oh, yes, Tesla the big man from my little country, with his resonant coils, his cores inside the coils, his way to pulse this coils......isnt it much easier today? Even easier then when SM was working on his TPUs??

We have a lot types of MOSFETs. They all work in a different way. No? Of course they do.

Otto
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 11:22:33 AM

Why would I start a blind build when - supposedly - you guys are way ahead of me and should therefore have a wealth of information to share?


You just want to take the easy way , like most people :)
The problem is: There is no easy way.  :D

Pherhaps is best not to try to get info from people becuase much of them do not have the time or simply don't want to get involved in too long disccussion which lead nowhere, or they simply don't have anything to offer, or in the worst case tell you wrong things!.
Instead, use the info available, there is lots of it.
It once was my starting point too, after i realized you can theorize forever.

M.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 11:40:20 AM
Agreed M, it can be all too easy to sit back in your chair and get in a rut of forever theorising - which I guess is what most people here are continually doing.

However, that's not what I'm about.  The way I see it is there are many parts to this puzzle, and the more pieces I can set in place before I start the practical work, the less pieces I have to find.  Of course I first have to try to pick out and discard the pieces that are alien to this puzzle.

No more than common sense really.


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 11:56:17 AM

However, that's not what I'm about. 


Then you are in the wrong place, as this is theorist heaven.
M.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Then you are in the wrong place, as this is theorist heaven.
M.


With the attitudes you guys have...  i.e.  "I know how to make a TPU w/  FE!       But I'm not sharing it with anyone!"    seriously makes me question your character and motives..       I mean...  What are you guys even doing here on this site?    Are you just trolling?    Trying to look 'cool' and brag?  Or  scavenging for some new information?  I don't know...


The fact you guys won't even elaborate on a "kick" or admit that it might just be a  well known phenomena makes me wonder about you all...    And SM as well..    He said the kick was in fact OU...   But so far I'm led to believe that is BS.

Do you guys think the "kick" is the key to the TPU? 






Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 05:30:12 PM

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

I thought it was strange Jack Durban  was so  confident that the TPU was a real deal... Yet, he really didn't know a single thing about its operation...   All he really managed to do was slam SM's character..



Right now I'm thinking that If Steven Mark's TPU really coupled to an external energy source, it was most likely HV transmission lines... 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6168.0
   
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on June 26, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
sure some devices may well work like that ...  altho sm says in the videos ...  the engery comes from with in the device ....

bla bla bla

this is getting boring .... 

maybe some old toys ... might prove more fun lol  ;)

ist!

BEP  AWESOME!! 

i like the ignore list ...  ;D 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on June 26, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
A kick is hotly debated here. I doubt that any two will agree on the cause or appearance.
Some see an RF burst of AC on a scope and yell Eureka. Others think it is the magical BEMF. The same don't really know the difference between BEMF and CEMF.

My definiton: It is most easily caused in very high current DC  circuits with sloppy switching.
It isn't the contact bounce but the result.

Three or more rapid contact closures. The first pulse is as slow as the books say. Since the first fights CEMF it is the slowest.
The second happens fast enough behind the first to not see as much CEMF so it is faster. The third is the same as the second except it has even less CEMF to fight.

So there you have the start but not the kick.

Since each new pulse is slower than the one following there is a point where the middle one is jammed between the first and third.
Ill not elaborate on the details of the physics as you think I'm daft using conventional physics.

The result is the kick. A peak magnetudes higher than the colliding pulses with an apparent magical delay after the collision and of the same polarity.
Shortly after this massive pulse there will be a long lived train of lower level oscillation that tends to stay above zero until decay.

Now you may add me to your ignore list.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on June 26, 2009, 07:36:06 PM
BTW:

It is most easily done without ultrafast electronic or switches in low power circuits. It can be done with simple coils and a simple circuit.

I'm sure it is essential for a TPU. 
Even if a schematic was supplied it is doubtful more than a couple of people on this forum could make it work.

Newbie, I don't think you are one, yet.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 08:44:49 PM
A kick is hotly debated here. I doubt that any two will agree on the cause or appearance.
Some see an RF burst of AC on a scope and yell Eureka. Others think it is the magical BEMF. The same don't really know the difference between BEMF and CEMF.

My definiton: It is most easily caused in very high current DC  circuits with sloppy switching.
It isn't the contact bounce but the result.

Three or more rapid contact closures. The first pulse is as slow as the books say. Since the first fights CEMF it is the slowest.
The second happens fast enough behind the first to not see as much CEMF so it is faster. The third is the same as the second except it has even less CEMF to fight.

So there you have the start but not the kick.

Since each new pulse is slower than the one following there is a point where the middle one is jammed between the first and third.
Ill not elaborate on the details of the physics as you think I'm daft using conventional physics.

The result is the kick. A peak magnetudes higher than the colliding pulses with an apparent magical delay after the collision and of the same polarity.
Shortly after this massive pulse there will be a long lived train of lower level oscillation that tends to stay above zero until decay.

Now you may add me to your ignore list.

BEP,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...   By far the most concise post on this thread by a regular TPU guy.

Nb
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 12:14:30 AM
Video number 3 is short but has some really good clues, imo.    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark    In this video,  SM just demos how to activate the device with a magnet, then turns the device upside to show it won't function in that position..

My first batch of questions are:    How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU?   Why not use a regular switch?   Was he just using a reed switch to turn it on/off?

Some possible answers (my best guess)...

If the TPU was legit:


1.) Maybe the device was somehow exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration....    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect    (?) ...   But this wouldn't explain the non-functionality when it's turned upside down.

2.)  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

If the TPU is a  fake or SM was deceptive:


1.) The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

2.) The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

3.) The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess).   This would explain the gyroscopic effect.









 






Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Goat on June 29, 2009, 01:06:38 AM
Video number 3 is short but has some really good clues, imo.    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark    In this video,  SM just demos how to activate the device with a magnet, then turns the device upside to show it won't function in that position..

My first batch of questions are:    How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU?   Why not use a regular switch?   Was he just using a reed switch to turn it on/off?

Some possible answers (my best guess)...

If the TPU was legit:


1.) Maybe the device was somehow exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration....    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect    (?) ...   But this wouldn't explain the non-functionality when it's turned upside down.

2.)  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

If the TPU is a  fake or SM was deceptive:


1.) The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

2.) The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

3.) The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)

@ Newbie

All is fair in love and war....LOL...so here goes....

Q1:  How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU? 

A1: It either is used to turn on a switch or it is part of a circuit other than a switch.

Q2: Exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration.

A2:  It's possible but how do you know it's producing any usable power in this demo video?  He does measure the voltage but no PI/PO in Watt values are given and he isn't driving anything.  Although he does mention 25 Watts he doesn't show it!

Q3:  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

A3:  Why would it be pointless if it's just being used as a switch?  If it is being used as part of a circuit then that is another story, so I agree with you to a point.

Q4:  3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

A4:  Again, it depends whether the magnet is functioning as a switch or part of the circuit.

Q5:  The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

A5:  See A4 above.

Q6:  The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

A6:  Is this video taken from his home near the high voltage power lines or from another location?  It seems like it's in an equipment room, there's is a PC next to the equipment...probably running Windows 95 back then....LOL...the other videos are either in his home or outside...

Q7:  The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)

A7:  He does mention in the video that there is "no mass circuitry and that it's just a knowledge of the coils and how they react with each other"....I don't think he has any "has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)" because you don't here any noise in the video, the unit is silent compared to his voice.

PS:  Just trying to help by being objective to your questions and coming up with my view on things, no insults to your intelligence here....let's keep picking at it....:)

Regards,
Paul

 



 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 03:35:26 AM
Quote
A2:  It's possible but how do you know it's producing any usable power in this demo video?

Is it possible?  From what I remember about the hall effect there needs to be current moving through a wire to experience a hall voltage.  I could be wrong though..
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 04:34:19 AM
Gotoluc did some neat experiments that  probably utilized the hall effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5j6fe8rXc&feature=channel_page
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4124.0;topicseen

Btw,

In the "Lindsay Letter" SM talks about being able to extract energy from Neo magnets... If that is true,  there's a pretty good chance neo magnets are used in the TPU circuits.

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 29, 2009, 09:42:01 AM
@otto yes you are raid is   not load is reason way is heat the tpu   
and i see again this house   if you know where is that house is easY  to you get there to ask enyone ho has living long time ago  <you my ask  and you know  when is hapend that  in what year
GO THERE AND   SEE
 IF ENYONE  IS CLOUSE THAT HOUSE YOU MAY RING THERE AND ASK
@ALL
I HAVESAY  TPU MAST BE  AND WORK  IN THATA WAY  TO MAKEING SPINS
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: wattsup on June 29, 2009, 04:24:51 PM
Hello all,
@wings
thanks for the link, I didnt know that somebody cares about my work.
Otto

@otto

That somebody is me. I had been accumulating slowly everything there is on the TPUs and more on my ftp site so people can have one place. EVERYTHING IS THERE. LOL

I know that some younger, and/or fresh minds will certainly be a plus in this research. Of course, there is a question of paying your dues and that can only be done with guys doing some good level of homework AND BENCHWORK, but there is no set direction that the older members can elaborate for newcomers to follow and get up to speed. There are just too many pages, too many threads. That's one of the reasons why I put up an ftp site, to at least keep some of all this in a concentrated format.

If there are members that wish to have their stuff put on or add more of their stuff to my ftp site, just get it all in a zip format and e-mail it to me at "contact (at) purco dot qc dot ca'. Save the zip with your user name dot zip. Put "Overunity dot com - username" in the subject field of your e-mail otherwise it could get lost in the junk mail filter.
Title: TPU Clues - Gyroscopic effect
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
The claimed gyroscopic effect has to be the most mysterious of all the TPU effects.  What could cause this?  The only thing I can think of is free electrons moving in circles (as mentioned by Loner in another thread).   This is the most likely explanation since moving fields do not have mass (a key ingredient to gyroscopic effects).     Also,  I think it would be safe to assume the rotational frequency of these electrons is 7.3 hz around the TPU.. 




Title: Re: TPU Clues - Gyroscopic effect
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 10:49:15 PM
Some quick and dirty math ...

The rest mass of a Cu atom is about 1.05e-25 kg

The rest mass of an electron is about 9.10e-31 kg

According to Wiki,   each copper atom has one valence electron

(1.05e-25 / 9.10e-31) = 115,000     

So,  1 / 115000 of a copper wire's mass is in free electrons.

If you have 2 kg  of copper wire (about 4.5 pounds) ,  the mass contributed by free electrons is about 18 milligrams...


It's hard to imagine 18 milligrams of mass flowing around a toroid at 7.5 Hz  and having any noticeable gyroscopic effect.

This would be like  a housefly flying in a 3" diameter circle at 7.8 mph.  heh.



Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on July 01, 2009, 08:34:32 PM
Here is a possible explanation for the TPU "kick".   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation

This is also a good example of "Frequencies  interacting"  as SM says in a video.
 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Nikola Tesla on July 01, 2009, 08:49:09 PM
Gyroscopic effect can also be banging fields/coils, like in a speaker.
It does not have to mean something is spinning.
If you replace the magnet in a speaker by another coil, or use a double voice coiled speaker and pulse it out of phase, it will also vibrate due to the banging of the fields.
It's easy to create such an effect with 2, 4, or more coils.
In a circle this will feel like a gyroscopic effect, but in reality there is nothing really spinning.
Nikola.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on July 01, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
Here are some Youtube video experiments related to intermodulation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVPfwqEPaM (Passive intermodulation "PIM" with magnet)

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on July 01, 2009, 09:49:56 PM
Gyroscopic effect can also be banging fields/coils, like in a speaker.
It does not have to mean something is spinning.

I think you're wrong.    A gyroscopic effect is a specific effect  that requires spinning around an axis.. Not oscillations between 4 coils...     

If what you say is true.   You should be able to put  your 4 coil circuit on  a rod (like a gyroscope),  turn in on, and watch is sit upright like a spinning gyroscope..   I don't see this happening.  Where did you get this idea?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Nikola Tesla on July 01, 2009, 10:08:56 PM

Where did you get this idea?


Does it matter?

Think of this picture:

Nikola.

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: giantkiller on July 01, 2009, 10:13:27 PM
Here is Room3327 link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6774.msg164447#msg164447

Is the gyro feeling radial or jacked back and forth?

I posted this corrected pic by room3327. He actually did an excellant job of documenting the gk4 and them some. :)
I have done the 'Z' jumper config and am now doing the 'n' config like in the pic again. He also had to correct the winding to get to a connection between the serially connected coils. I terminated all the ends to terminals for this very specific reason.

Put a neo by an inside edge and listen to it scream and jitter. But don't touch it.

The tpu driven like a single axis rotovertor would be frictionless. Then the single axis will work. Of course, Virtual axis that is.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on July 02, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
I don't think an electric sander's motion could create a true 'gyroscopic effect' but It would definitely create a  inertial effect similar  to a gyroscope...  Maybe this is what SM was referring to..     

How could you emulate this effect with a solid state toroid?


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on July 02, 2009, 03:44:57 AM
@all

Lets not forget to bottle it !


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on July 02, 2009, 05:01:41 PM
http://www.mariner.connectfree.co.uk/html/e_m_inertia.html

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/zpf_staif98.pdf

http://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/inertia/index.htm
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Nikola Tesla on July 02, 2009, 09:49:16 PM
I don't think an electric sander's motion could create a true 'gyroscopic effect' but It would definitely create a  inertial effect similar  to a gyroscope...  Maybe this is what SM was referring to..     

How could you emulate this effect with a solid state toroid?

Page 41:From Steven:

Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter.
You I am sure have already realized that.
There are exact points of interest in 9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high
rate.

Page 37 The Carl Doc:

9. Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet.
I don't remember anyone anwering this to your or Mr. Mark's
satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in
that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the amount of current
generated is not only a matter of the strength of the magnet, but
rather the SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet across a small piece of
wire at the speed of a gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high
voltage spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if you could
move that wire crossways through even a weak magnetic field
with few flux likes, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid.
He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his
garage with two lamps),

he may be banging two opposed coils
simultaneously with spikes, with the magnet forcing one direction,
or he is running them sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the "magnetic flux
North" (for lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in
the toroid 1250 times per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo
mgnets in an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy
up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.
Remember I was talking about SPEED of the magnet passing the
wires playing a significant role in the voltage produced.
If we take the above example of 75,000 RPM, it is easy to calculate for a
14" diameter totoid, that the actual speed of the magnet "flying"past the
wires at a very close range would be 3,123.74 statute miles per hour or
4,581.5 ft/second.
Compare this to the bullet of a high powered rifle at 2,800 ft/sec.

Page 38 The carl Doc:

13. When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there are some
weird things to look at.
Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or
concentrate flux lines into a Mark device?
Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field.
However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a
small battery (who cares if there is a battery - that point is moot
when you look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast
as the bullet from a high powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per
second.
That is key and it takes little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the
output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device's strange reaction to physical
movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which
the magnetic flux moves.

Nikola.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: newbie123 on July 02, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
NT,

Thanks for posting this,  I read parts of it but missed some of the clues.



Page 41:From Steven:

Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter.
You I am sure have already realized that.
There are exact points of interest in 9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high
rate.

Page 37 The Carl Doc:

9. Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet.
I don't remember anyone anwering this to your or Mr. Mark's
satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in
that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the amount of current
generated is not only a matter of the strength of the magnet, but
rather the SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet across a small piece of
wire at the speed of a gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high
voltage spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if you could
move that wire crossways through even a weak magnetic field
with few flux likes, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid.
He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his
garage with two lamps),

he may be banging two opposed coils
simultaneously with spikes, with the magnet forcing one direction,
or he is running them sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the "magnetic flux
North" (for lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in
the toroid 1250 times per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo
mgnets in an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy
up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.
Remember I was talking about SPEED of the magnet passing the
wires playing a significant role in the voltage produced.
If we take the above example of 75,000 RPM, it is easy to calculate for a
14" diameter totoid, that the actual speed of the magnet "flying"past the
wires at a very close range would be 3,123.74 statute miles per hour or
4,581.5 ft/second.
Compare this to the bullet of a high powered rifle at 2,800 ft/sec.

Page 38 The carl Doc:

13. When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there are some
weird things to look at.
Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or
concentrate flux lines into a Mark device?
Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field.
However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a
small battery (who cares if there is a battery - that point is moot
when you look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast
as the bullet from a high powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per
second.
That is key and it takes little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the
output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device's strange reaction to physical
movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which
the magnetic flux moves.

Nikola.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mr_Video on August 03, 2009, 06:44:30 PM
Has anyone noticed that it may be possible to determine one of the frequencies of the TPU by what is seen on one of the videos ?

I figured that it's about 180KHz (give or take 10KHz)
square wave, possibly a 40-50% duty cycle .
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on August 03, 2009, 06:50:53 PM

EVERYTHING IS THERE. LOL


You think EVERYTHING IS THERE...
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 03, 2009, 06:58:55 PM
Has anyone noticed that it may be possible to determine one of the frequencies of the TPU by what is seen on one of the videos ?

I figured that it's about 180KHz (give or take 10KHz)
square wave, possibly a 40-50% duty cycle .

How did you determine that?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mr_Video on August 03, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
the interferance on the TV set .


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on August 03, 2009, 09:47:55 PM
heloo  is geting HOT  HERE 

for all  <<<DONT WORY SOON WE WHILL  SEE THE NEW  REBORN T.P.U

>MYBE LIKE Steven  t.p.u 

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Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on August 03, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
@ mr video

I LIKE ASK ONE THING
WHAT YOU THING
YOU SEE HARMONICS IN THE TV CLOUSE AND NOISE PICTURES FROM STEBEN VIDEO

AND  I ASK YOU  WHERE IS HAT MAGNET FILD HO HAS RUN IN TO THE SMALL TPU CLOUSE THAT TV ON STEVEN

IF THERE IS SOME MAGNET FILD IN TO THE TPU AND IS CLOUSE TO TV RECIVER

THEN I WHILL  SEE THE COLORE IN THAT TV BECOUSE THE IF THERE IS MAGNET SOME FROM TPU TV WHILL BE ALL DESTROYING WHIT COLORE
<LIKE  YOU HAVE BROKEN DEGAUSE COIL IN SOME TV RECIVER >

ISt
and clues for that is....
<<enyone  OF PROFF  HEREWHAT YOU WHILL ANSFER OF THAT >

TV RECIVER CLOUSE TPU  IF TPU GENERATED STRONG ELKTROMAGNET FILD  THE TV  WHIL BE SHOWING TO SCRENN  IST

MY THING IS THAT THE TPU IS WORKING IN WHIT SMALL ELKTROMAGNET FILD WHIT SOMELETS SAY SOME TV HARMONICS FREK.

<<STEVEN HAS SAY THE TRUE<<LIKE YOU HAVE VERY SMALL MAGNET PER. AND MOVE FAST LIKE A GUN BULYTH >>
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mk1 on August 03, 2009, 09:59:39 PM
@CD

Did you ever try to make a toroidal "magnetic battery" ?

http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm

Mark
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 04, 2009, 05:13:26 AM
the interferance on the TV set .

Sorry. The video interference modulation shown could also be from the square wave output of the Tripp Lite inverter used during those demonstrations.

There are many possible causes and many possible frequencies. One such source are small signal pulse transformers radiating spurious broadband emissions due to an incredibly short pulse duration. If so, there may be two of them and both very close in frequency to each other or same frequency but almost 180 degrees out of phase.

Electronic warfare used to be a hobby of mine  ;)

But then, 175kHz has a special place in my heart.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mr_Video on August 04, 2009, 05:48:37 AM
Sorry. The video interference modulation shown could also be from the square wave output of the Tripp Lite inverter used during those demonstrations.

sorry, but 60Hz is not the same as 180Khz

and even if it did have a 180KHz oscillator, it would be better shielded to meet FCC requirements .
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on August 04, 2009, 06:35:56 AM

WHAT YOU THING <<@marco  you have lost tomuch $ for nothing and still  you dont getit   

ha  ha ha ha ha

You would be the LAST one to find out  :)
I am making great progres ha ha ha
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 04, 2009, 06:44:56 AM
sorry, but 60Hz is not the same as 180Khz

and even if it did have a 180KHz oscillator, it would be better shielded to meet FCC requirements .

Interlace frequency is a bit less than 60, in the States.

The cover of the inverter was off. FCC requirements would have nothing to do with it. The primary inverter noise would have been very close to 120Hz, not 60. This would split the interlace frames into almost even bars - if the interference modulation was from the inverter switches.

I'm not saying you are wrong - I don't really know. I just don't see how you come up with ~180kHz.

Now if the frequency applied to the full circumference over-wrapping coil was 15734.26Hz and you wanted to 'kick' that wave one direction you would apply a second frequency that was the first divided by pi - not exactly or there may be problems. After all, a toroid is circular.

Crazy sounding, isn't it? I say that every time I do it  :D
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mr_Video on August 04, 2009, 07:52:37 AM
OK, this is how I did it :

a single horizontal line of video (NTSC) is 63.5 uS,
but we are only interested in the visible part of the picture which is 52.6 uS or 19.011 KHz


so, I loaded the picture into a image editor, enhanced the contrast & drew a box around the lines, so one corner started one end of a line, and the opposite corner was on the other end of the same line .

then I simply counted the number of lines that intersected the top OR the side of the box (about 9.5 lines)

mutiply 9.5 X 19.011KHz and you get 180.645KHz


maybe it isn't coming from the TPU, (I would say it's pretty damn likely though), but something in that room is definitely radiating 180KHz and it's harmonics .


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on August 04, 2009, 03:23:18 PM
@all

        1,257
   B= -------- * u * H = ?                                                       
      1000000


   FLUKS = B*S = ?

HERE IS  SOMETHING FOR START


Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on August 04, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
intresting 180 pops up right now i posted a video yesterday  about 180 khz... 

here it is ... 

 ;D

ist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYNEn8llXeU
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on August 04, 2009, 04:07:23 PM
@all

   B*S


Bull*Shit ?


ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 04, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
Keely claimed that 180kHz was the resonant frequency of "ferromagnetism".

Just because this frequency is there does not necessarily imply that SM was driving a circuit at this frequency.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 04, 2009, 06:44:01 PM
My opinion only....

If 180 is from a TPU it is a result not a drive frequency. To much info points to two drive freeks. One around 2500Hz and the other in the high 15k to low 16k range. With these I get a result tone around 4900Hz. The 4900 isn't steady. It drifts in and out about 180 times a second.

I believe the slight vibration reported was this coupling at around 200Hz.

There still may be a third freek. If there was and it was higher yet, the video camera wouldn't record it. Who knows? Maybe the 15-16 kHz was also a result and not a drive freek?

One thing is sure... we need to stop thinking in dipole antenna terms. This is a traveling wave situation and it is going in a circle therefore pi must be a factor.

What do you get when you divide horizontal sweep by pi? About 5kHz.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 04, 2009, 06:53:52 PM
What sort of the waveform might the 180kHz be to effect the tv screen like we see in the video?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 04, 2009, 07:20:01 PM
What sort of the waveform might the 180kHz be to effect the tv screen like we see in the video?

I've made the exact interference pattern while sending CW on 160 meters. Could be almost anything.

Unlikely the videoed TV used a reactance tube controlled horiz. oscillator so AFC with dual diodes was probably used. If so, the interference signal may have been forcing the sweep frequency too high or low. This would cause a periodic blanking and split the frames. The diodes would rectify anything injected. So, a wave form gues is just a guess.
 

Come to think of it... the 180kHz calculated could just be a limitation of the TV circuits. The signal causing it could have been almost anything above the standard retrace. The AFC may have been cutting in at that rate.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 04, 2009, 07:38:38 PM
BTW:

This is something that couldn't be done with SS unless you used true mosfets. I would expect true metal-oxide semi-conductor Fets were still abundant during the SM hayday. They aren't now but are coming back into vogue.

reactance tube controlled horiz. oscillator

It is amazing how low you can resonate a circuit by varying the grid voltage on such a tube pretending to be a capacitor.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 04, 2009, 09:58:34 PM
what if something was retriggering it?

I've made the exact interference pattern while sending CW on 160 meters. Could be almost anything.

Unlikely the videoed TV used a reactance tube controlled horiz. oscillator so AFC with dual diodes was probably used. If so, the interference signal may have been forcing the sweep frequency too high or low. This would cause a periodic blanking and split the frames. The diodes would rectify anything injected. So, a wave form gues is just a guess.
 

Come to think of it... the 180kHz calculated could just be a limitation of the TV circuits. The signal causing it could have been almost anything above the standard retrace. The AFC may have been cutting in at that rate.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 05, 2009, 12:24:25 AM
what if something was retriggering it?

"Something" as in a signal outside the TV but in the room?

"It" as in the AFC (automatic frequency control - for those unfamiliar)?

Such a signal can get into the TV any number of ways but I suspect the path was through the power cord. Since the inverter was likely ungrounded any filtering there would have failed.
I'm quite sure that model inverter did not have an electrostatic shield in the transformer.

Since we can be quite sure an unloaded TPU has a high frequency and spiky output when unloaded we can assume such a signal would propagate to the load, in addition to the switching noise from the inverter. (It was not the best design and the inverter would appear as an inductive load.)

So, with all that bunk in-mind...  I can imagine a weakly loaded TPU causing video signal interference.
I'm on the road so I can't review my stored audio analysis so my question is -- Was the TV shown running from house power while near the TPU? Did it show the same or similar interference during that time? Was there an additional noise when the TV was connected?
The reason I can't solidly agree with this interference being 180kHz is I know any number of frequencies can cause this. It all depends upon the path the interference took in the TV.

If the path was through the power cord then, yes. Why? Because part of that TV process looks at line frequency to process the display.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on August 05, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
@MARCO

NOW you tell me is and im sure now that you dont nothing for formules and calculating
 FIND BOOKS AND LEARN SOMETHING AND YOU WHILL KNOW WHAT IS THAT

HA HA HA 


IF YOU THING THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING THEN PLEASE EXPLANE TO ALL HERE ABOUT BIG TPU WHAT HAVE INSAID  AND HOW IS WORKING
 ;D
 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on August 05, 2009, 03:17:08 PM
you are the one that has to start BY LEARNING ENGLISH.

And don't ask me things i do not owe you anything fool.

ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on August 05, 2009, 04:33:07 PM
@MARCO  IM LEARNING AND I KNOW ENGLISH  AND TWO MORE LANGUEGE

AND IM BETER THEN YOU
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: turbo on August 05, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
See you are doing it again.....and you keep doing it.

How can you say you are better?
You do not even know me.

You *THINK* you know me.

Big mistake.
Title: Re: TPU Clues - Gyroscopic effect
Post by: EMdevices on August 06, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
I have seen and felt the gyroscopic effect, and it is related to propulsion devices.  Imagine a resonating magnetic field of high intensity and current flow due to an external driving magnetic field, you move the coil a bit , like left and right , or angle it back and forth, and you feel a force similar to a gyroscopic force, why? It's that relative motion of the conductor intersecting and reacting with it's own created near field.  I held a device in my hand and it shivered and recoiled quite the same as a gyroscope

EM


The claimed gyroscopic effect has to be the most mysterious of all the TPU effects.  What could cause this?  The only thing I can think of is free electrons moving in circles (as mentioned by Loner in another thread).   This is the most likely explanation since moving fields do not have mass (a key ingredient to gyroscopic effects).     Also,  I think it would be safe to assume the rotational frequency of these electrons is 7.3 hz around the TPU..
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on August 06, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
When you drop a magnet of enough strength and dimension, the magnet will act like a falling cat. Always trying to land on its feet. The feet will swap positions depending upon the hemisphere where it is dropped.

This 'self-righting' fits with the gyroscopic effect claimed for a TPU. If they are related then the magnetic polar axis of a TPU is vertical, as seen with the TPU lying on a table. The only thing missing is relative motion to the Earth. That should be handled with rotation.

Just a thought while mobile  :)
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 06, 2009, 08:26:36 PM
When you drop a magnet of enough strength and dimension, the magnet will act like a falling cat. Always trying to land on its feet. The feet will swap positions depending upon the hemisphere where it is dropped.

This 'self-righting' fits with the gyroscopic effect claimed for a TPU. If they are related then the magnetic polar axis of a TPU is vertical, as seen with the TPU lying on a table. The only thing missing is relative motion to the Earth. That should be handled with rotation.

Just a thought while mobile  :)

and the only thing rotating is the changing state of the field - not the field itself - not electrons - not ions.  Particles flow in the "collector" only after current is induced into it.

all currents involve something changing in position or magnitude in relation to something static or changing at a different rate.

Look at the spherics info and he states that two copper rods will also collect conventional current.

What sort of current can induce current to flow in both a closed and open circuit?

Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2009, 12:19:35 AM
I think you are right, we just need to rotate a higher or lower field density around a ring track, or nullify the local field (which could be a powerful magnet too) in a same way.

Can we talk about current flow in an open circuit ?

If the open path of a conduction current will not permit ions to pass, then the current must convert to carrierless current to traverse the dielectric.  This convertion does not occur without a dipole (or a gradient?) across the separated metal objects. 

Carrierless currents also produce a magnetic field which can induce conventional current in a coil.  This may be multipolar or different in some other way - not sure yet.

So, the current rotating in a TPU must be a carrierless current, if we conclude that conventional current and magentic fields can not induce electron drift in an open circuit.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on August 07, 2009, 02:58:20 AM
Carrier less current? Are you referring to the plasma state ? If not, You lost me.  :)

Sure, open path currents,like a spark/plasma between two metal objects, or in a spark gap oscillator, will produce magnetic fields, which can induce currents in a coil.

yep they will they will also melt carbon rods burn fingers and damm near blind you ... never mind takeing a hit at 1000v 3amp plus....  ;)

lol

thats just 1 diode...

yikes... 

im useing fr 305 - 306 diodes 3 amp 1000v and i burn em up  :D

ist!

in the past i even managed to burn out a microwave diode ....  now thats a bit of power ....

microwave diode went kaput on 12vdc 1 amp ...  ;D ;D ;D ;D

oh yea hers the coil im useing now  :) :)   no heat on my coils .. even 20 min constant run ... 

IST! 814 TOROIDE

=  8 TURNS 14" 14 GA WIRE .. 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on August 07, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
Sure ::)

I GUESS  YOU MISSED MY VIDEOS  :D :D


LOL LOL

IST!

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Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on August 07, 2009, 03:40:17 AM
DONT GO BYE ...


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Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: giantkiller on August 07, 2009, 04:11:14 AM
This gets more and more interesting all the time.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2009, 09:30:09 AM
Carrier less current? Are you referring to the plasma state ? If not, You lost me.  :)

Sure, open path currents,like a spark/plasma between two metal objects, or in a spark gap oscillator, will produce magnetic fields, which can induce currents in a coil.

Spark and plasma involve "carriers" of charge.  The "carriers" are the electrons, and other ions.  This is "convection current".
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Grumpy on August 07, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
Enlighten me please! What is the carrier less current?

I know there is a difference between conductive and convective current (moving ions in gas, fluids), but what is carrier less current?

Maxwell summed all forms of "carrierless" current under the term "displacement current".  Others have since separated "polarization current" from "displacement current".
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on August 07, 2009, 07:36:06 PM
This gets more and more interesting all the time.

you should come play with us  in the JT SANDBOX...  :D

 ;D

just cuz i did ....

W

they cut way easyer than i ever thought they would ....  ;D 8) :o :o
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: EMdevices on August 23, 2009, 09:20:57 PM
nice setup IST,


@all, here's another hairbrain idea.  loops are iron wire, so if the LC tank circuits they form resonate, currents will flow and the magnetization of the wire will change, but it's wire is the core of the toroidal windings and they form tank circuits too, so maybe they are tuned to the products of the frequencies that might be available in the magnetic field B, transformer can bridge things, etc.. so many posibilities

EM
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: szaxx on August 26, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Hi All.
 I have read much and still learning. There is one thing that grabbed my attention its The Faraday n-machine. Google it and see. Having read about it I understand its operating principle now.
another one is JRR Searls levity disc try this too.
trying to unwrap the TPU enigma I have concluded  some points.
1. reference  to SM's notes on moving a magnet ALONG the wire ...nearly all here seem to of read across as rotor stator standards and transformer action allow.WRONG WRONG WRONG.... now then that makes me feel better.To undrestand where most of the errors are with this project we need to go back to basics.SM said    it outputs DC  DC  DC  DC    with a little hash.  Along the wire we need to create a rotating magnetic field..This is another one of the worlds unproven facts...  can it be done???
Has SM unknowingly done this????  He said he did not know how it worked however if you study the n-machine from 1832   thats a long time ago,the workings begin to appear very similar!!!!
THE SPEED OF THIS MACHINE AND THE SIZE OF THE DISC ARE RELATED, ASSUMING assuming a constant field strength.
THANKYOU OTTO you said the size of the core is related to the operating frequency.
2. IF we assume the ether is fluidic within limits then to create a flow of energy in our machine we need to stir it a little, the earth rotates in the suns field and orbits elliptically, so can we give it a kick in the right direction and it react ...water down the plug hole emptying the bath. This is still unproven but would longitudinal waves work if it wasn't fluidic? would FTL radio signals proved on this planet to factual experiments have happened? Ithink not so lets think on this and stop shining monocromatic red light on a monochromatic green target hopring to see something... 

Thanks  Steve..
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 08, 2009, 02:59:34 AM
hello,
i just got into this sm tpu stuff and watched all videos...
from all the pics i have looked at the big toroid is easier to see stuff..
i had a friend build a smaller unit from the stuff i see here but he just used the taser transformer and cap and went to his custom built e-cores... he had two microwave transformers that he switched the secondarys to some 18awg standed hookup wire.. it looked like 10 turns ...
but the primarys of the transformers were hook up in a series and the taser cap went to the
other primary wires
if it is like his the transformers get hot as hell in a few mins
i dont remeber the output voltage but his would light a couple regular 100watters
hope this helps you guys but it was 8 years ago when he showed me..
i might try to build his setup and show you folks later .. if you want me too

but i got a pic here of what i saw looking at sm tpu

http://img5.imageshack.us/i/largetpu.jpg/ (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/largetpu.jpg/)
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: giantkiller on October 08, 2009, 04:35:44 AM
Well, you know this caught my attention!
The black box is what shocks the copper! Very high Voltage, very low amperage, Tesla circuit. Gee, it all fits quite neatly doesn't it?
I have seen those stungun transformers 100 times over. I am the stungun king here. LOL. Very early into this I pointed to the sparking demo video that the main circuit was a stungun but that thread crashed eons ago. That is the easiest way to get the effect and the sparks are blueish white. It is also cold electricity. I get shocked not burned. Oh, and by the way, it only takes one 9volt battery. Hee, Hee, Hee!
Good find! You'll have no problems with the TPU concepts if you don't already.  ;)
One of the things that got lost was my test with a twenty foot loop of EZflow Audio cable as extended probes from the stun gun. The spark was just as powerful but the tranmission was alot larger. It killed a PC, a router, and O-scope! Another dangerous moment in the life and times of this TPU tester. I did a single loop, multi turns, added tranformers, did parallel loops. Guess that lets the cat out of the bag, eh? Connected 3 stun guns probes to loops to triggers of other looped stunguns they all fired each other in a circle jerk. Yeeha! Decided at the time that the transmissions were too apparent for living in the vicinity to a top secret radar base and 2 air ports so I stopped any more additional coiling.

hello,
i just got into this sm tpu stuff and watched all videos...
from all the pics i have looked at the big toroid is easier to see stuff..
i had a friend build a smaller unit from the stuff i see here but he just used the taser transformer and cap and went to his custom built e-cores... he had two microwave transformers that he switched the secondarys to some 18awg standed hookup wire.. it looked like 10 turns ...
but the primarys of the transformers were hook up in a series and the taser cap went to the
other primary wires
if it is like his the transformers get hot as hell in a few mins
i dont remeber the output voltage but his would light a couple regular 100watters
hope this helps you guys but it was 8 years ago when he showed me..
i might try to build his setup and show you folks later .. if you want me too

but i got a pic here of what i saw looking at sm tpu

http://img5.imageshack.us/i/largetpu.jpg/ (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/largetpu.jpg/)
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 08, 2009, 05:24:21 AM
Hi every one its me again  good day !

The secret of tesla in his magnifying transmitter is that, to make a big oscillator in the air and then receive that via antenna then get little watts and amplify that again to make huge energy  8)

i think sm did that already.  and some of us here ;D
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 08, 2009, 05:36:33 AM
i take it that those toroids in the center are hooked up on one leg each from the taser cap and the brown or black wires and are pulse charging the big dc caps at the rear of the tpu that power the circuit for the stun gun transformer..
i also think that the output power is from the wire wrapped in the center of the tpu .. (being dc current) and the coils from the high voltage transformer is wrap in a small coil on top and bottom of the tpu to provide the rotation of a magnetic field .. giving the middle wrapped wires a dc voltage
very much the same as my friends rig but it gave ac voltage and it didn't power its self...?

sorry if i might have mispelled something... i drink a couple cocktails every night
 helps num my brain .. to help me sleep

oh forgot to mention didn't sm say in one of his video's that '' this is a high voltage device ''
kind of fits doesn't it...
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 09, 2009, 04:25:18 AM
hello,
is this a 70's era inductor or....
http://img410.imageshack.us/i/dccap.jpg/ (http://img410.imageshack.us/i/dccap.jpg/)

what you think.. dudes..lol
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mannix on October 09, 2009, 04:40:07 AM
100% its a resistor!
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 09, 2009, 04:56:58 AM
kool .. thanks
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on October 09, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
You folks actually believe that is a resistor?

Granted, that type of case is not common now but it and the layout of the color bands was still common in the 80's.

It is not a resistor. It is a diode. Even without knowing the colors I can tell you it is either a 1N9x series diode or a varactor. These were common in VHF circuits.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 10, 2009, 01:35:35 AM
didnt mean to fluff any feathers but the reason i thought it was a inductor.. is they used to use
Parasitic Suppressor chokes in VHF circuits also, the ones that look like a resistor but has a lump in the middle..
i'm just looking for any clues so i can start the build soon...
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on October 10, 2009, 02:29:10 AM
No feathers fluffed here  :)

I just hate to see folks thinking something so wrong and trying to work with it.

I could be wrong about the diode type but it is certainly no resistor.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: wattsup on October 10, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
@BEP

Thanks. I think you are very right that it is not a resistor cause that would make it a standard bleed resistor on a cap. Why would you want to bleed juice in a device that is trying to make juice? But the two black caps are in series, so what would a diode do over each cap in series?
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: BEP on October 10, 2009, 08:53:04 PM
@BEP

Thanks. I think you are very right that it is not a resistor cause that would make it a standard bleed resistor on a cap. Why would you want to bleed juice in a device that is trying to make juice? But the two black caps are in series, so what would a diode do over each cap in series?

From what I can tell each diode is used as a rectifier to charge the caps. This should be a simple power supply for the central circuits. One problem, the diodes seem to be reversed for that purpose. If so, he was using silicon diodes and their weird ability to pass very short spikes under reverse bias. Those spikes have single digit ns cutoff times.

I forgot the different names given to that action. I'll look them up and post later.
I am very sure these caps and diodes were not part of the load circuit.
 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 11, 2009, 01:24:29 AM
Hi everyone good day !  ;D

a spikes is a spikes what ever the source it is still a spikes so therefore its just a transformer action.

so the secret lies in the arrangement the circuit making an excess.

so the question should be how to make a circuit that makes an excess every spikes ok  8)
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 02:48:32 AM
Hi everyone good day !  ;D

a spikes is a spikes what ever the source it is still a spikes so therefore its just a transformer action.

so the secret lies in the arrangement the circuit making an excess.

so the question should be how to make a circuit that makes an excess every spikes ok  8)

YES!

The detail of your circuit example would help people actually do what you say you have done.

If you dont want to give out that just keep it to your self until the greedy money men put you in a cave with them.
If you dont want to acknowledge Steven's device that's fine for you but at the very least you should see the story of his isolation as something to bring into whatever equation pushes your ego buttons. Wasn't is Stevens device that started you out? but now you have a much better  one?  "prior art"  will give the money men the rope that they are so very good at pulling.

This thing is not worth a red cent for any body but would be a benefit to everybody ..in the long term .  Sure accidents ARE going to happen. Bombing oil nations is no accident .

@EM  GK would not even consider hiding battery's nor would Otto or most others here.
They take this as seriously as they always have.

@GK  I had seen that effect before , I called it "parasitic oscillation" of the fet..but if it is the coils taking of and begin prevented from acceleration by the fet...thats another issue!

Whats interesting  in your case as well is why there is a delay . I never saw the event begin  just suddenly appear . Why the delay...hmmmm.
I will speculate and say that something that we dont see on the scope is causing it.

BTW it was one of these type of simple  circuits that caused my scope to die . I had 3 rf output  transistors in a y config like a seike coil,  controls driven in series with collector, bases driven by other shorter control coils.
We are going in circles and passing this by many times kind like a TPU pulse?

Electron tube version coming up soon...again

@all

I have not yet succeeded in getting my Otto version to jump yet  . That's because I have not tried hard enough yet. But would like some more info from Otto...

Lazy Sunday here.. must clean up my bench





If somebody has predictable control of these building spikes...we are all ears   

 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: EMdevices on October 11, 2009, 06:42:33 AM
Quote
@EM  GK would not even consider hiding battery's nor would Otto or most others here.
They take this as seriously as they always have.

I'm not saying they have to HIDE batteries, if you're refering to my comments to GK in the other thread, I'm just setting some limits, which we so desperetly need, in order to define what a TPU is and is not.  Do we have to write up another "official" document on the TPU?  Even if you use a powersupply and set the voltage to 9 V, but don't limit the current that can be drawn from it, you still don't have a TPU which at the worst case has a 9 V battery in it.

I'm just getting so tired of seeing schematics with power supplies, claiming its a TPU or close to it, with no current limits.  I can take 1.5 volts with no current limiting and light a 100 watt bulb without a problem, and you guys can't even do that, let along if you restrict yourselves to the power that a battery can provide, which is not much.  You guys can play with o-scopes and poorly designed oscillators untill you're blue in the face, but you won't discover the secret.  I already discovered the secret and it's not even remotely what you all belive it is (from what I can see)   I'm just in a tight spot right now and I have other priorities otherwise I'll be making a video to show you a scaled up version.  You have already seen the first version.

EM
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
It is starting to look like I been told a few things that were purposefully misleading
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 11, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
hello,
i have had a little success so far... i need a little more voltage to charge the cap's
but i am discharging the a cap though the coil that is trifillar winded...
i am using a camera circuit to fill the cap and a t10601 scr to auto discharge the cap.. were the trigger coil used to be.. i using a neon to trigger the scr , but i would love to find a diac to do it for me...i feel that the neon is stealing a bit of current from it...
i wish i had a taser tranny to use instead of the weak inverter tranny.....

more to come,
robbie

oh,
ps... i wish i had some good schematic software cause i would show you my setup...
i will wait till it works good before i post a pic...
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 10:06:13 AM
Do a search for "multisim"   there are many different types of demo tryb4buy versions out there

10.1 is the latest I think
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 11, 2009, 10:12:44 AM
thanks ...,
that looks pretty sweet...
i getting it now

out, robbie
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: szaxx on October 12, 2009, 02:33:19 PM
Mannix.
Hi, Ive spent a year studying all the ancient docs. on the whereabouts of this kick phenomena an agree with EMD. Your  pdf  "must be read first" is exceedingly cryptic and lots of info therein has not been spotted, however there is much inside quite contradictory. I at present am about to re read it with the years gained knowledge and see what is consistant with my first read. Originally my studies were text only, images and vids were non existant. Now I dont have that disability and speeding up on this TPU enigma.
    I ask you as the poster of this pdf is it all as factual as best you know or is it compiled from sources not too well aquainted with yourself?  your recent post suggests something may be amiss!
   EMD , Hans Coler has had a few remarks made from replicators of his projects before WW2 started and this seems to be one of the missed objects of the TPU experiments. Have you found this ? It concerns natural magnetism, dual circuits and a very specific frequency!!!
  GK thanks for the safety tip a long time ago. I seem to remember it after my 4 foot tesla coil flashed up white and I got zapped by something that was way too fast for electricity (ice cold instant pulse through me). I wouldnt mind all I did was remve the giant mushroom then drop the discharge cap by 100 times in value and boot it with 35KV, not doing that again too soon,  mmmm a kick it had???
  Not read  much here for a while and am wondering if the layout of the coils has been modified or proof of construction given?? the sizes relation to frequencies is apparent but the phase fed to each coil respecting 'firing' time is an issue as well as harmonics   very important Im sure you know too well.
  Back to studies and if a working device is constructed I hope the info is passed to all the replicators first for assessment before 'general' release. Otto is at the top of my list with many a very close second.....
Thanks all   Steve.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 23, 2009, 06:23:01 AM
howdy, again

small question...
first unit ,,..,, small spool wit one toroid and two different layers of coil windings
ok he say this unit is at 7-8 hz... it that right?? at 60 or so vdc wit 135 watts
the second unit one coil winding 5khz 91 or so vdc wit 1 1/2 amps

are the hz readings from different areas like the first unit reading from the output
and the 2nd unit the reading was from the input...

i ask this is because if you had 5khz ac coming out why make it dc..??

i think the output is much slower and it is running thur a bridge and cap to smooth it ...
but hell thats just me...

we all know what a high feq hiss sounds like...
but in the videos the sound when the camera man gets close to the large tpu it has a low pitch humm... much like a high volt electro magnetic that runs in the low hz..
much like a 6-15 hz .. it sounds kool.. i tried to make a electro mag like the one you see in john hutchison video.. it sounded the same.. and it get hot as... well you know

anyway don't let me bother you away with this

robbie
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kurtnorway on October 24, 2009, 08:10:29 PM
About the gyroscopic effect in combination with the vibration in all the SM TPU

Dont know if this has been enlightened before so I just "throw in my 2 cents" (or wathever you say)

This effect was clearly demonstrated on the big TPU when moved along the table, but allso the 6" you could se SM made a voble to demonstrate the gyroscopic resistant effect.

For anyone who do not know about the prinsip of a GYROSCOPE: a wheel or any mass, preferably perfectly balanced, spinning in high velocity, will continu to spin in the same direction, that is a universal direction, higher mass the higher effect, and will make resistant to any change both in speed and direction. Actualy Newtons law abt masses inner resistance to change direction and speed.
By the way, this effect is utilised in a gyrocompas, as a navigational officer, I know a litle about these things.

No, about the vibration might also be of some interest.
SM mentioned in all the video postings abt all the TPU's that they vibrated.
The vibration means that somthing, some mass or somthing that effected the tpu-mass, most likely electromagnetic movement, and this mass is spinning like a gyroscop and is not evenly contributet or have an uneven symetri like when you have an unbalanced wheel.

And also I realised that this effect could interfere with the rotation of the earth meaning that the rotation is relativ to the rotation of eart....... having problems to explain this, ok, once again, the rotation of the earth is forcing a turn on the gyroscope but the TPU is following the rotation of earth while the gyroscopic effect wants to be universal...phu.

Hopefullly this enlight rather than confuse the understanding of the device and still these effect might have nothing to do with the funktion, but rather just be som bieffects.

kurt

 
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on October 25, 2009, 01:09:51 AM
Not sure if this has been posted before but here is another clue for the TPU.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0129397.html
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: innovation_station on October 25, 2009, 01:46:40 AM
hello everyone ... 

wish you all the best in your travels....  :)

here is my tip / clue about the tpu it is right in the name T P U

TP = TELEPORTATION  U = UNIT

SO I HAVE AN INTREST IN A PTPU  I SHALL BUILD DARN SOON I HAVE AQUIRED 3 FIBER NODES AND 25 ..   5MHZ TO 1 GHZ RF AMPS ... REAL BIGE ONES..  ;D ;D ;D ;D

THE PTPU WILL BE MY PORTABLE TELE PORT UNIT..

IST

TELEPORTS ON THE WAY ...  8) :o ;D

all the rf gear i have aquired all works and was just removed from operation and currently are running highspeed cable tv and internet and even hidef ...  so the gear i have can handle almost all i could ever throw at it ... plus with the fiber nodes i can switch clo0se to the speed of light ...  i have 3 of em too and i will be collecting more things as time goes by ...

now you see i have thease line extenders and a whole bunch of em .... each one has 3 feroite rod inductors on them ... i have about 450 of thease line extenders i have not even looked at all the goodies i have picked up yet im too darn busy building my lab .... but im 80 percent finished ....

then the fun shall begin agin with me anyways ... 



Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: kooler on October 25, 2009, 03:43:53 AM
hello,

i've tried to get the gyroscopic effect ...
and the only way i can feel it is to pulse a air coil of atleast 5 inches diameter
and it was not a rotating magnetic field...it would spin a compass for 5 seconds opon start up...
and it took me 100v and 2amps to get it...
but after i got it running faster than 20hz it was not noticable anymore
at 10hz it still trys to resist movement if put on a flat surface...

i hoping that i am getting closer
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: wattsup on October 25, 2009, 04:26:13 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before but here is another clue for the TPU.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0129397.html

Thanks for the link to this. Never saw it before. Shit, page 5, paragraph 0009 and 0010 just freaked me out as I was talking about this a few days ago.

The Earth does have many speeds of travel depending on what you hold as a relative comparison. The Earths movement through the universal space, what I now call its' Ether Speed is the ultimate speed of movement because it is compared to a stationary sea of ether that is everywhere.

Has anyone tried to build the device. Looks so easy.

@IST

Hey man, don't go and blow yourself up. I suggest you run your planned experiments by some members here before you do anything dangerous.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on October 25, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Hi Wattsup,

I've been scouring every patent I can find for ideas to another project(a high speed flux disruptor) and came across this. It would be interesting to test the wire in a metal sheath approach. Play with the frequency until you hit the resonate frequency and see if anything can be captured on the output.
Title: Re: TPU Clues
Post by: sparks on October 25, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
DTB

    This inventor may find it difficult to get a patent.  Tesla had this down awhile back.  I have the feeling that his gentleman applying for the patent is using the patent office for dissemination of information like Tesla did.  Conversion of energy from electromagnetic radiation to thermal energy or viceversa is not reliant on dragging magnets by coils anymore.  The mechanical alternator soon to take it's place on museum shelves in the section over from the horsedrawn carriage.  Or the coal fired steam engine or it's cursed child the combustion engine.  58 percent of the energy that falls on earth is in the infrared bands.  Never mind the geomhd waves from the inside of the Earth.  Plasma converts a widespectrum of electromagnetic wave energy into longitudinal magnetic waves.  The exlusion of the polidial field influence on the media results in the magnetic and polidial fields to appear as traveling in phase through the media but in reality is just an exclusion of the electric field influence on the media.  The electron ion field polarization being many orders stronger than any outside polarization of charge.  The magnetic portion of the transverse emwave is absorbed into the plasma field while the electric polarization associated with the em wave continues to radiate.  Tesla brought this to Hertz attention but it never got into the text books.   What this does is allow vasts amounts of energy to densify in the plasma in the form of magnetic waves.  When the magnetic flux reconnects with the ambient field it releases all this stored energy and if it is on the scale of a star then all the lights go out on a planet millions of miles away.