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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

I thought it was strange Jack Durban  was so  confident that the TPU was a real deal... Yet, he really didn't know a single thing about its operation...   All he really managed to do was slam SM's character..



Right now I'm thinking that If Steven Mark's TPU really coupled to an external energy source, it was most likely HV transmission lines... 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6168.0
   
« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 06:12:16 PM by newbie123 »

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2009, 05:44:59 PM »
sure some devices may well work like that ...  altho sm says in the videos ...  the engery comes from with in the device ....

bla bla bla

this is getting boring .... 

maybe some old toys ... might prove more fun lol  ;)

ist!

BEP  AWESOME!! 

i like the ignore list ...  ;D 
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« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2009, 07:25:59 PM »
A kick is hotly debated here. I doubt that any two will agree on the cause or appearance.
Some see an RF burst of AC on a scope and yell Eureka. Others think it is the magical BEMF. The same don't really know the difference between BEMF and CEMF.

My definiton: It is most easily caused in very high current DC  circuits with sloppy switching.
It isn't the contact bounce but the result.

Three or more rapid contact closures. The first pulse is as slow as the books say. Since the first fights CEMF it is the slowest.
The second happens fast enough behind the first to not see as much CEMF so it is faster. The third is the same as the second except it has even less CEMF to fight.

So there you have the start but not the kick.

Since each new pulse is slower than the one following there is a point where the middle one is jammed between the first and third.
Ill not elaborate on the details of the physics as you think I'm daft using conventional physics.

The result is the kick. A peak magnetudes higher than the colliding pulses with an apparent magical delay after the collision and of the same polarity.
Shortly after this massive pulse there will be a long lived train of lower level oscillation that tends to stay above zero until decay.

Now you may add me to your ignore list.

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« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2009, 07:25:59 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2009, 07:36:06 PM »
BTW:

It is most easily done without ultrafast electronic or switches in low power circuits. It can be done with simple coils and a simple circuit.

I'm sure it is essential for a TPU. 
Even if a schematic was supplied it is doubtful more than a couple of people on this forum could make it work.

Newbie, I don't think you are one, yet.

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« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2009, 08:44:49 PM »
A kick is hotly debated here. I doubt that any two will agree on the cause or appearance.
Some see an RF burst of AC on a scope and yell Eureka. Others think it is the magical BEMF. The same don't really know the difference between BEMF and CEMF.

My definiton: It is most easily caused in very high current DC  circuits with sloppy switching.
It isn't the contact bounce but the result.

Three or more rapid contact closures. The first pulse is as slow as the books say. Since the first fights CEMF it is the slowest.
The second happens fast enough behind the first to not see as much CEMF so it is faster. The third is the same as the second except it has even less CEMF to fight.

So there you have the start but not the kick.

Since each new pulse is slower than the one following there is a point where the middle one is jammed between the first and third.
Ill not elaborate on the details of the physics as you think I'm daft using conventional physics.

The result is the kick. A peak magnetudes higher than the colliding pulses with an apparent magical delay after the collision and of the same polarity.
Shortly after this massive pulse there will be a long lived train of lower level oscillation that tends to stay above zero until decay.

Now you may add me to your ignore list.

BEP,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...   By far the most concise post on this thread by a regular TPU guy.

Nb
« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 09:53:48 PM by newbie123 »

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2009, 12:14:30 AM »
Video number 3 is short but has some really good clues, imo.    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark    In this video,  SM just demos how to activate the device with a magnet, then turns the device upside to show it won't function in that position..

My first batch of questions are:    How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU?   Why not use a regular switch?   Was he just using a reed switch to turn it on/off?

Some possible answers (my best guess)...

If the TPU was legit:


1.) Maybe the device was somehow exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration....    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect    (?) ...   But this wouldn't explain the non-functionality when it's turned upside down.

2.)  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

If the TPU is a  fake or SM was deceptive:


1.) The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

2.) The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

3.) The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess).   This would explain the gyroscopic effect.









 






« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 05:06:51 AM by newbie123 »

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2009, 01:06:38 AM »
Video number 3 is short but has some really good clues, imo.    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark    In this video,  SM just demos how to activate the device with a magnet, then turns the device upside to show it won't function in that position..

My first batch of questions are:    How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU?   Why not use a regular switch?   Was he just using a reed switch to turn it on/off?

Some possible answers (my best guess)...

If the TPU was legit:


1.) Maybe the device was somehow exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration....    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect    (?) ...   But this wouldn't explain the non-functionality when it's turned upside down.

2.)  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

If the TPU is a  fake or SM was deceptive:


1.) The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

2.) The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

3.) The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)

@ Newbie

All is fair in love and war....LOL...so here goes....

Q1:  How could a magnet possibly activate  the TPU? 

A1: It either is used to turn on a switch or it is part of a circuit other than a switch.

Q2: Exploiting  the "Hall Effect" and producing  excess energy in a circular configuration.

A2:  It's possible but how do you know it's producing any usable power in this demo video?  He does measure the voltage but no PI/PO in Watt values are given and he isn't driving anything.  Although he does mention 25 Watts he doesn't show it!

Q3:  SM was just using a reed switch to simply activate/deactivate the device.  This would seem pointless, imo.

A3:  Why would it be pointless if it's just being used as a switch?  If it is being used as part of a circuit then that is another story, so I agree with you to a point.

Q4:  3.) The magnet and reed switch interact to pulse at the earth resonant frequency (~ 7.5 hz) ... I doubt this is even possible (?).

A4:  Again, it depends whether the magnet is functioning as a switch or part of the circuit.

Q5:  The magnet just turns the device on via a reed switch...       And a gravity switch just deactivates the device just to 'impress' people as it's turned upside down.

A5:  See A4 above.

Q6:  The device it somehow really tapping (stealing) electricity from the HV transmission lines in his backyard, and using the switches  as an 'illusion' to fool people.

A6:  Is this video taken from his home near the high voltage power lines or from another location?  It seems like it's in an equipment room, there's is a PC next to the equipment...probably running Windows 95 back then....LOL...the other videos are either in his home or outside...

Q7:  The device isn't really solid state, and has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)

A7:  He does mention in the video that there is "no mass circuitry and that it's just a knowledge of the coils and how they react with each other"....I don't think he has any "has  some spherical magnets rolling around a track at 7.3 hz? (wild ass guess)" because you don't here any noise in the video, the unit is silent compared to his voice.

PS:  Just trying to help by being objective to your questions and coming up with my view on things, no insults to your intelligence here....let's keep picking at it....:)

Regards,
Paul

 



 

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2009, 01:06:38 AM »
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« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2009, 03:35:26 AM »
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A2:  It's possible but how do you know it's producing any usable power in this demo video?

Is it possible?  From what I remember about the hall effect there needs to be current moving through a wire to experience a hall voltage.  I could be wrong though..

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« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2009, 04:34:19 AM »
Gotoluc did some neat experiments that  probably utilized the hall effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5j6fe8rXc&feature=channel_page
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4124.0;topicseen

Btw,

In the "Lindsay Letter" SM talks about being able to extract energy from Neo magnets... If that is true,  there's a pretty good chance neo magnets are used in the TPU circuits.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 10:41:48 AM by newbie123 »

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2009, 09:42:01 AM »
@otto yes you are raid is   not load is reason way is heat the tpu   
and i see again this house   if you know where is that house is easY  to you get there to ask enyone ho has living long time ago  <you my ask  and you know  when is hapend that  in what year
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« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2009, 04:24:51 PM »
Hello all,
@wings
thanks for the link, I didnt know that somebody cares about my work.
Otto

@otto

That somebody is me. I had been accumulating slowly everything there is on the TPUs and more on my ftp site so people can have one place. EVERYTHING IS THERE. LOL

I know that some younger, and/or fresh minds will certainly be a plus in this research. Of course, there is a question of paying your dues and that can only be done with guys doing some good level of homework AND BENCHWORK, but there is no set direction that the older members can elaborate for newcomers to follow and get up to speed. There are just too many pages, too many threads. That's one of the reasons why I put up an ftp site, to at least keep some of all this in a concentrated format.

If there are members that wish to have their stuff put on or add more of their stuff to my ftp site, just get it all in a zip format and e-mail it to me at "contact (at) purco dot qc dot ca'. Save the zip with your user name dot zip. Put "Overunity dot com - username" in the subject field of your e-mail otherwise it could get lost in the junk mail filter.

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TPU Clues - Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2009, 07:58:36 PM »
The claimed gyroscopic effect has to be the most mysterious of all the TPU effects.  What could cause this?  The only thing I can think of is free electrons moving in circles (as mentioned by Loner in another thread).   This is the most likely explanation since moving fields do not have mass (a key ingredient to gyroscopic effects).     Also,  I think it would be safe to assume the rotational frequency of these electrons is 7.3 hz around the TPU.. 




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Re: TPU Clues - Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2009, 10:49:15 PM »
Some quick and dirty math ...

The rest mass of a Cu atom is about 1.05e-25 kg

The rest mass of an electron is about 9.10e-31 kg

According to Wiki,   each copper atom has one valence electron

(1.05e-25 / 9.10e-31) = 115,000     

So,  1 / 115000 of a copper wire's mass is in free electrons.

If you have 2 kg  of copper wire (about 4.5 pounds) ,  the mass contributed by free electrons is about 18 milligrams...


It's hard to imagine 18 milligrams of mass flowing around a toroid at 7.5 Hz  and having any noticeable gyroscopic effect.

This would be like  a housefly flying in a 3" diameter circle at 7.8 mph.  heh.



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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2009, 08:34:32 PM »
Here is a possible explanation for the TPU "kick".   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation

This is also a good example of "Frequencies  interacting"  as SM says in a video.
 

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« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2009, 08:49:09 PM »
Gyroscopic effect can also be banging fields/coils, like in a speaker.
It does not have to mean something is spinning.
If you replace the magnet in a speaker by another coil, or use a double voice coiled speaker and pulse it out of phase, it will also vibrate due to the banging of the fields.
It's easy to create such an effect with 2, 4, or more coils.
In a circle this will feel like a gyroscopic effect, but in reality there is nothing really spinning.
Nikola.
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