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Author Topic: TPU Clues  (Read 50726 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2009, 09:09:18 PM »
Here's something probably worth discussing..

According to Marco's compilation and the  'Lindsay Letters'   ... SM talks about voltage "kicks"  being the source of the TPU phenomena..      I.E. 

"It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very
high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed."

Now, I'm pretty sure this phenomena is real and well known by most electrical engineers..   Would this just be considered a "voltage spike" caused by BEMF?

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

SM seems to be implying that this "kick" is overunity..  In SM's words..

(pg. 6  in 'Dear Lindsay')
"SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal"
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible."

What is a "Kick" really?   

Also, how do we know these letters are credible?

SM was cryptic but I do not believe that he ever deliberately lied in his statements regarding the device. 

SM explains the process in the quote you just posted, but rather than experiment with that you two would rather ask endless questions and make snide remarks.

Offline Farrah Day

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2009, 09:15:19 PM »
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If you had read everything, you 'd know that the heating issue was on early units and not later units.

I'd love to know your reference to that Grumps, because I've seen nothing about later TPUs anywhere... please, provide a link to later TPUs.

I've also just sat through two torturous hours of the radio interview with Jack Durban whereby the TPUs at the time could only be operated for 19 or 20 mins at a time due to the heating problem. Granted that was a decade ago, but isn't all the video footage etc, from that time?

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

Isn't learning all about asking questions?  It's the people that don't ask any questions you want to worry about.

Snide remarks... us... never!

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2009, 09:29:56 PM »
You are just here to start shit so piss off.

(You must be the sister of "pennies_everywhere" - He/She was quite good at starting a riot on a forum.)



I'd love to know your reference to that Grumps, because I've seen nothing about later TPUs anywhere... please, provide a link to later TPUs.

I've also just sat through two torturous hours of the radio interview with Jack Durban whereby the TPUs at the time could only be operated for 19 or 20 mins at a time due to the heating problem. Granted that was a decade ago, but isn't all the video footage etc, from that time?

Jack Durban also sounds like a very credible and intelligent guy that knows what's what. If he is to be believed SM is exactly the opposite!  I'm sure we are all just trusting our instincts when it comes down to who is the most credible and most believable, but I know what I think.

Isn't learning all about asking questions?  It's the people that don't ask any questions you want to worry about.

Snide remarks... us... never!

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2009, 09:38:46 PM »
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You are just here to start shit so piss off.

Now, now, language Grumps. Is that just your way of telling me that you can't provide a reference to later TPUs?

You want me to go away?  What... and leave you guys going round and round in circles forever?  Are you worried that you might actually learn something?

Take a chill pill before you burst a blood vessel and go and have a lie down if it's all becoming too much for you.  ;)


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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2009, 09:40:52 PM »
How about trying  ::)

M.

An experiment to observe BEMF spikes?

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2009, 09:58:50 PM »
Grumpy, 

What snide remarks?  This thread was going pretty smooth until this post of yours..

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SM explains the process in the quote you just posted, but rather than experiment with that you two would rather ask endless questions and make snide remarks.

And what's wrong with questions?  Questions are how people share knowledge and make progress..   That's  good thing, Right?

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2009, 10:07:38 PM »
Here's something probably worth discussing..

According to Marco's compilation and the  'Lindsay Letters'   ... SM talks about voltage "kicks"  being the source of the TPU phenomena..      I.E. 

"It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very
high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed
."

Now, I'm pretty sure this phenomena is real and well known by most electrical engineers..   Would this just be considered a "voltage spike" caused by BEMF?

What is the difference between a "kick" (not a common EE term) and a "voltage spike" (common) ...  Are they the same thing? 

SM seems to be implying that this "kick" is overunity..  In SM's words..

(pg. 6  in 'Dear Lindsay')
"SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal"
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible."


What is a "Kick" really?   


Also, how do we know these letters are credible?
I may be wrong but i think Tesla observed a motional electric field spike, see Hooper,anyway it's not related to the tpu imho.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 10:52:20 PM by tsl »

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2009, 10:53:46 PM »
@ marco

naw 

no 3d stuff yet lol

;)

maybe a toride ..  with some break coils on it lock it in the ferroite

start it with a magnet ... 

but  some of thease people  here are just to smart to figure anything out ...

so i aint gonna just do it for them tooo... 
 
mind you i have been locking orbits for QUITE SOME TIME  :D  i had to invent a way to make my own gold so i can expairment with it is far to costly for me to buy ...

:)

but im move ing right now .....  just because i can concive some wonderful ideas does not mean i have all the skills requried to build it and fully explain it .. 

none the less i know what i know if you know what i mean lol 

will i am 

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2009, 10:57:26 PM »
An experiment to observe BEMF spikes?

It's a start isn't it  ::)

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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2009, 11:07:51 PM »
you can get really mental and slam 2 flybacks togather at the same time

npn pnp   lol

kind like the smashers ...  but it is not required ..

probally kill your self in the process playing with that ...  ;)

ist

think twice ..

Offline Grumpy

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2009, 11:10:32 PM »
I may be wrong but i think Tesla observed a motional electric field spike, see Hooper,anyway it's not related to the tpu imho.

the interaction of fields probably is related

Edit1:
You create the proper moving field around a conductor to create current flow.

Edit2:
I had no intention to write "f**k off".As I allready have said:google and the internet is not allways The source of information.My intention was to point you guys in a certain direction, that's why i came with the "intellectually" inserted" thing.The radial magnetic field has per se indeed nothing to do with OU.But, the interaction between fields have.So to make it simpler :For a conductor carrying current you will allways have a circular magnetic field, i think you agree with that.Now if the field lines are not circular ones but are all pointing from the center axis of the conductor away-hence the term radial- you have a radial magnetic field.Or another example take a look at a simple permanent magnet.What do you see?I bet you see how the field lines comes out from the north pole and goes back to the south pole.Nothing wrong with that too.But now try not to look from the side but from the top, so that you see only one pole.what do you see now?if you look to the north pole you'll see how the field lines are emerging from the center-the pole- in radial manner(one plane view).there are much more examples of such radial fields(the electrostatic field of a isolated charge is also a radial one).Anyway ,the point, my point was to make you think about certain interactions between such a radial field and a circular one.

Edit3:
@Chef
Nice.But you get this because of the interaction of 2 fields not from a pulsed coil alone.

BTW there is only one control coil and that's the one on the outside, the ones on the collector are for inducing the effect.The freq on the controll is around 5kHz (square or not).remember: the first ,the second harmonic and the third
(example 20kHz,60kHz,5kHz).

Hmm

Tsl modulates the control field at 5k - ain't that the cat's pajamas?

« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 11:34:59 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2009, 11:31:37 PM »
It's a start isn't it  ::)

I guess, but I'm not someone who needs to observe something  experimentally to believe it  exists..    My question is simple, and the answer is probably available on the web somewhere...  Or in the mind of someone here, maybe?

What is the difference between a BEMF "spike" and  "kick"?     Or is this information top secret?  :-X

I've seen BEMF spikes through a scope before, btw.



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Re: TPU Clues
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2009, 11:53:35 PM »
explain your term bemf  please ....


i would interpt it as a colpaseing elecrtomagnet feild  but i have seen coliding waves on a scope combining as 1 big kick of current   

this is diffrent then HEMF   hemf is an inductance thing done with 1 freq ...  bassed on mass to mass tuneing of diffrent inductances and its sole use is  to make a simple device self run...

and provide a means of timeing ... 

ist

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2009, 12:08:03 AM »
I guess, but I'm not someone who needs to observe something  experimentally to believe it  exists..    My question is simple, and the answer is probably available on the web somewhere...  Or in the mind of someone here, maybe?

What is the difference between a BEMF "spike" and  "kick"?     Or is this information top secret?  :-X

I've seen BEMF spikes through a scope before, btw.

First of all your term Bemf is wrong.
Bemf happens when the field is growing, it is the resistive force that pushes back while you put in energy.
The spike you are reffering to is called inductive kickback.

Is there is any diffrence between inductive kickback and the kick?
Again only one way to find out.

Maybe you should not believe anything, unless you have seen it yourself, with your own eyes.
If you believe everything you will end up nowhere.
So you can either walk the path few have chosen, or believe whatever you want to believe....

M.

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Re: TPU - voltage spikes & kicks
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM »
Marco,

I'll experiment when the time comes, but I want all the facts first...   


Maybe you should not believe anything, unless you have seen it yourself, with your own eyes.
If you believe everything you will end up nowhere.
So you can either walk the path few have chosen, or believe whatever you want to believe....

M.

If I had to "walk the path" (aka experiment) to believe every well known scientific concept, I would be walking  paths all day  and learning very little.    So I'm not going  to play that game until there's a real mystery.   I have a lot of (justifiable) confidence in the scientists and physicists that built the high tech world we live in.

The TPU kicks might be a real scientific mystery, I don't know, but I'm very skeptical atm...  But tinkering around with a well known mechanism (voltage spikes) and thinking  it's OU..  is pointless.

Maybe someone else can explain what a TPU kick is, or how to obtain one?  Why they're unique?   So we can make some progress (aka sharing experiences and information).



« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 06:09:59 AM by newbie123 »