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Title: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 14, 2009, 01:13:39 PM
I am new to this area of technology, but have become intrigued by the TPU and indeed Dr. Stifflers work.

I intend to construct a small TPU. I have no problems with the components or fabricating such a unit, and although I have read much about these units, I have however, been unable to find enough details or an actual schematic for a TPU to initiate my construct.

To this end can someone kindly point me in the right direction (and/or link) to a schematic or suitably detailed diagram of a TPU from which I can make a start.

The generally accepted theory of operation would also be appreciated.

Given enough information for me to construct a unit, I intend then to detail my build and regularly update this thread as work progresses.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 14, 2009, 02:19:40 PM
@Farrah Day,

Welcome!

There may be hundreds of theories. There are a few schematics thought to pertain to a SM TPU. None have been proved 100%.

Most are posted throughout this web site. If other information exists it probably hasn't been shared.



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 14, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
I believe user Wattsup has quite a library available here.
and poynt 99 also has data in a tpu specific thread

perhaps someone can post the links?[lost in a crash]

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 14, 2009, 04:47:31 PM
I intend to construct a small TPU. I have no problems with the components or fabricating such a unit, and although I have read much about these units, I have however, been unable to find enough details or an actual schematic for a TPU to initiate my construct.

If you have read a lot about the devices, then you have most likely read all that is available. The inventor allowed some correspondence between himself and Lindsay Mannix to be passed on to the public, but no cookbook information was ever disclosed regarding hardware, and certainly no schematics were ever provided.

Unfortunately, you are in the same boat as all the rest. You must read what is available, view the videos, and make your own conclusions.

There are many theories abound, and you may jump-start your research from these if you wish. Those that have taken their theory to the next step and produced hardware prototypes, have as far as anyone knows, not resulted in a device that achieves overunity.

You may be interested in reading the "Spherics" thread as this may hold the key to understanding how the TPU works. I have written a WIP document based on his thread as well as my own insights.

Also, read the "Carl" documents, and pay attention to SM's response regarding tao's insights.

There is no known consensus as to: a) the theory of operation, b) the source of energy from whence it comes, c) whether sine or square waves are used, d) what the "kick" is or how to produce one, e) whether the rotating field is magnetic or not, f) what "perfect frequency" means, g) what frequencies are used and how many; 2 or 3?, h) whether it was all faked or not, etc. etc.

So although some progress has been made over the last 3 years, there are still many unknowns and very few people agree on anything.

SM himself stated that he was not sure of the source of energy. He certainly knew how to make the devices produce or convert energy, but whether he really knew why it worked is another question.

Good luck and welcome to the quest.

.99

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 14, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
I see, I had assumed that many of you had a produced working units and expected at least a general theory of operation.

I've seen most of the SM demonstration videos - is it generally accepted that his TPU did what he claimed... or are there doubts to his credibility?

On reading what I have, my initial thoughts were that it would be the interaction with our planets magnetic field that comes into play, but all that I have read is very fragmented.

If I can just establish a few basics here:

The collector:  Is this basically a coil of heavy insulated copper wire, the load of which would be placed at the open ends?

Control coils: Are these (3?) small coils wound around the collector coil and spaced equally apart?  Are these control coils then pulsed at various frequencies (harmonics) in order to induce a current in the collector coil?

I read once that once the current was flowing in the collector coil that the unit became gyroscopic. In other words it took more effort than expected to move the unit or rather alter its angle in space. This would certainly suggest that there may well be an interaction with the Earth's magnetic field.

Spherics are the guys with the Mobius Loop TPU aren't they, which would seem to be a variation on SM's unit.

Are most people thinking along the lines that it is the back EMF from a fast decaying pulse to the control coils that gives the kick in the collector coil? And that at the correct frequencies this kick becomes enormous?

Is it in fact a mini particle accelerator??

Sorry so many questions, I'm just trying to pin down a few basics and understand what I am trying to achieve rather than blindly going about a build.


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 14, 2009, 05:46:26 PM
Wattsup's info
http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 14, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
I see, I had assumed that many of you had a produced working units and expected at least a general theory of operation.
Definitely not. As far as I know, the overunity prize has not been claimed, and you would certainly have heard by now if indeed someone had shared information about a "working unit".

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I've seen most of the SM demonstration videos - is it generally accepted that his TPU did what he claimed... or are there doubts to his credibility?
There are always doubters...some justified, some not.

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On reading what I have, my initial thoughts were that it would be the interaction with our planets magnetic field that comes into play, but all that I have read is very fragmented.
I would agree that there is an interaction, but I would not go any further than that.

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If I can just establish a few basics here:
This the problem. Even the basics have been elusive.

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The collector:  Is this basically a coil of heavy insulated copper wire, the load of which would be placed at the open ends?
That is one possibility.

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Control coils: Are these (3?) small coils wound around the collector coil and spaced equally apart?  Are these control coils then pulsed at various frequencies (harmonics) in order to induce a current in the collector coil?
Good questions. Another clear example of no known consensus due to lack of information.

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I read once that once the current was flowing in the collector coil that the unit became gyroscopic. In other words it took more effort than expected to move the unit or rather alter its angle in space. This would certainly suggest that there may well be an interaction with the Earth's magnetic field.
Yes, as stated above.

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Spherics are the guys with the Mobius Loop TPU aren't they, which would seem to be a variation on SM's unit.
No. I was referring to the "Complete information on working SM style device" thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

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Are most people thinking along the lines that it is the back EMF from a fast decaying pulse to the control coils that gives the kick in the collector coil? And that at the correct frequencies this kick becomes enormous?
I do not know what most people are thinking regarding this. That paragraph alone has the potential to open at least 4 cans of worms.

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Is it in fact a mini particle accelerator??
Good question. I will ask this: what is meant by "particle" in this case?

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Sorry so many questions, I'm just trying to pin down a few basics and understand what I am trying to achieve rather than blindly going about a build.
As we all are...hopefully ;)

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 14, 2009, 06:24:53 PM
Thanks P99

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Good question. I will ask this: what is meant by "particle" in this case?

I was thinking electrons.

Blimey, I had no idea so little had been established. I had assumed I'd have a little more to go on - this is going to be far more hit and miss than I was expecting.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 14, 2009, 06:36:44 PM
Thanks P99

I was thinking electrons.
Can conduction electrons in copper be greatly accelerated? Generally, particles that are accelerated are in terms of some type of plasma, either pure electrons as in those boiled off a vacuum tube cathode, or charged particles used in cyclotrons etc. Is the TPU "boiling off" electrons from the collector or controls perhaps? Good question again. Some people think so.

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Blimey, I had no idea so little had been established. I had assumed I'd have a little more to go on - this is going to be far more hit and miss than I was expecting.
There are some people that will tell you that much has indeed been "established". Established as fact? Probably not. Take in all "information" with caution, is my advice to you.

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 14, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
@P99

'Scepticism' is my middle name, nevertheless I'm always prepared to stay open-minded on these things.

With reference to the particle acceleration statement, I was thinking that as the voltage rose, the electrons in the collector would so increase in velocity... but of course I was only speculating anyway.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 14, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
Half way down the page you can get Patrick Kelly's take on the TPU

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Asymatrix on June 14, 2009, 09:55:39 PM
Half way down the page you can get Patrick Kelly's take on the TPU

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf

Chet

There was video of a presentation (can't remember the name or where) which supposedly showed a circuit using a certain component which harnessed the radiant energy bursts.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 14, 2009, 10:31:02 PM
Asymatrix
That would be nice to remember!
Here are some vids
I do seem to remember Jason building and videoing a tpu[not sure it was him]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg89361.html#msg89361

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 14, 2009, 10:52:03 PM
@P99

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Can conduction electrons in copper be greatly accelerated?

Does not an increase in voltage increase the velocity of electrons?  I know they move relatively slowly, but I remember seeing a figure of just 3 inches per hour at 240V somewhere - so surely the velocity is voltage related.

I think this is more likely that higher voltage induces electrons to move faster, rather than simply inducing more electrons to move... though I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 15, 2009, 04:35:46 AM
Increased voltage results in increased electron drift velocity VD, which is typically quite slow.

The number of electrons flowing in parallel is influenced by the cross-sectional area of the conductor.

Besides physical dimension, what else affects the effective cross-sectional area of a conductor?

What does this imply for DC, AC and sharp transient inputs?

If there are implications, how does it affect drift velocity, if at all?

Would it be possible to achieve VD=c ?

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 15, 2009, 03:56:19 PM
Increased voltage results in increased electron drift velocity VD, which is typically quite slow.

The number of electrons flowing in parallel is influenced by the cross-sectional area of the conductor.

Besides physical dimension, what else affects the effective cross-sectional area of a conductor?

What does this imply for DC, AC and sharp transient inputs?

If there are implications, how does it affect drift velocity, if at all?

Would it be possible to achieve VD=c ?

.99

Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 18, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.
I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.

I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.

I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Why does anything have to "move"?

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 18, 2009, 05:26:28 PM
I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Agree on that too :)

Why does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

That's also correct
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 06:04:47 PM



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Why does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

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Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.
That's also correct


Does anything physical move?

What other factors are important?



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
Why this game Otto?why is this HocusPocus needed? You are a elite member afterall.Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?

Why this game tsl?why is this HocusPocus needed? Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 18, 2009, 08:32:55 PM
Well I assume the magnetic field would be moving at 'c'.

Ok, just in trying to clarify the concept here:

The collector is a ring of coiled thick copper wire.

Now in theory, just moving this coil about within the Earths magnetic field should induce a current, but obviously this method of inducing a current would be impractical or energy intensive.

So, we wind many turns of a smaller wire around this collector coil and pulse this smaller coil at a given frequency.

What does this achieve?

Well, if the decay of the pulse is fast enough then the back emf spike should induce a large current within the collector coil via the interaction of the magnetic field. This in itself seems like normal induction... but is there a point (perhaps a specific frequency) whereby this action also interacts with the Earth's magnetic field to provide a greater than expected energy output?

Am I thinking along the right lines here?

What I have noticed about SM's TPUs is that obviously he has not got them connected up to a function generator, though I suppose a small button cell oscillator could be incorporated into the units somewhere.  Does anyone know what the two coils shown in the centre of the large coil are?

Fascinating stuff!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 18, 2009, 10:11:11 PM
Why this game tsl?why is this HocusPocus needed? Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?

LOL Grumpy, that was a good one :)
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 10:17:25 PM
LOL Grumpy, that was a good one :)
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).

Are you going to show them how to do it, or leave that to someone else?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 18, 2009, 10:48:43 PM
if you mean real plans or a in depth how to then no
that's not up to me
some bits here or there ...
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 10:52:51 PM
if you mean real plans or a in depth how to then no
that's not up to me
some bits here or there ...

ditto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 19, 2009, 12:49:12 AM
Yeah
let some archeologist 5000 yrs from now find your how to instructions in the putrefied remains of what used to be the Obahmanation
Chet
F-M-ALL [That's how it goes right?]
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 19, 2009, 01:40:46 AM
ooo the things i could pull from my hat ....

 ;D

i bet its easy and cheep to turn led to gold .......



ist! :D

who know what secreats will be unlocked from the truth ...
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 02:27:11 AM
ditto

hi grumpy
 there are many abbrebiation here in this forum that even up to now i still don't understand them please teach me  ;D

"ditto" i thought here you mispelled my name  ;D
"btw" and some others

what a funny isn't it  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 19, 2009, 02:31:04 AM
Tito
'Ditto' is to completely agree
F-M-all   is not a nice thing
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
Tito
'Ditto' is to completely agree
F-M-all   is not a nice thing
Chet

oic  ;D

thnk you sir  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 19, 2009, 03:46:23 AM
LOL Grumpy, that was a good one :)
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).

Intriguing tsl.

The circular magnetic field is standard stuff, but how does one create this radial magnetic field?

You have a pm.
.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 19, 2009, 04:31:43 AM
Never mind ...


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 19, 2009, 04:46:06 AM
Never mind....
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 19, 2009, 04:50:06 AM
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Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 19, 2009, 04:53:06 AM
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Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 10:42:29 AM
Just wondering if anyone actually has anything useful to input here?

Is it taken to be the Earth's magnetic field or cosmic radiation the TPU is supposedly interacting with?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: otto on June 19, 2009, 10:49:26 AM
Hello all,

@Farrah Day

is it important?

Otto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 11:06:53 AM
Well it's important to me!

If I intend to build a device it would be nice to know what I'm trying to achieve and what external energy the device is apparently going to interact with.

Some experimentation will of course be necessary, but I don't like the idea of totally blind builds whereby you just have to hope the device will do what you want it to.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 19, 2009, 11:17:25 AM
Exactly, if you are stealing energy from above they might come down and start hunting the thief.  :o
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: otto on June 19, 2009, 11:23:04 AM
Hello all,

@Farrah Day

I dont want to wright here exact what your TPU will do but let me say it in this way because its well known:

a "system" of coils, that rotates particles around the circumference of this device with a low current as possible because of a self resonance and feeding itself .

Woooow, what a definition. Its not the best definition but short!

On the other hand it depends on what youre expecting the TPU would do.

Otto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 01:32:22 PM
Otto

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a "system
" of coils, that rotates particles around the circumference of this device with a low current as possible because of a self resonance and feeding itself .


This means absolutely nothing to me... I haven't a clue what your trying to say here... what is well known?

As to what I want a TPU to do, I want it to provide me with more energy out than I put in... doesn't everyone want this?

Don't beat about the bush folks, if you can proffer good advice and insights then please do. All I ask is that you don't post silly word games or cryptic nonsense.

Thanks.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 01:44:41 PM
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a "system" of coils, that rotates particles around the circumference of this device with a low current as possible because of a self resonance and feeding itself .

Hi sir and everyone
if you mis something in this design, then you make the fish ready
cause we're going to cook it  ;D

do you know that electric stove have similar design like tpu  ??? :D
they really good for cooking  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: otto on June 19, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
Hello all,

@Farah Day

its clear that my words means NOTHING to you.

Here again:

1. controls, 22 turns lamp wire
2. collectors, multiturn lamp wire
3. 2 HV transformers to pulse the TPU
4. resonance
5. a core

THATS ALL I KNOW!!

Otto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 02:10:06 PM
5. a core

Hi sir otto

This info really makes me confused.

what really is the score sir?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 02:13:00 PM
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Hi sir and everyone
if you mis something in this design, then you make the fish ready
cause we're going to cook it 

What the...?  ???

Otto you seem to have provided the ingredients but not the recipe... how does that lot fit together?

You folks seem to be being as obscure and as cryptic as ever. Any chance of some straight-talking?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
What the...?  ???

Otto you seem to have provided the ingredients but not the recipe... how does that lot fit together?

You folks seem to be being as obscure and as cryptic as ever. Any chance of some straight-talking?

Hi sir
I've done that in my first experiment, though i do not want to cook, it fries everything but when i tried bearden's shared experiement, i got success! 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on June 19, 2009, 02:32:47 PM
bye everyone

i'm off the popcorn, cause i'm busy cooking here,
see you next time.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
What??

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bye everyone

i'm off the popcorn, cause i'm busy cooking here,
see you next time.

Is it just my imagination or is everyone a little strange around here?

Tito, what are you talking about?  Are you sure you're on the right forum?  I'm sure there are forums that specialise in cooking and making popcorn, but I don't think it's here.

Has anyone had any success with building a TPU...  or is everyone into cooking popcorn and fish???  The mind boggles!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Paul-R on June 19, 2009, 05:49:52 PM

a "system" of coils, that rotates particles around the circumference of this device with a low current as possible because of a self resonance and feeding itself .
Otto
Shouldn't a definition include something of the point and purpose of the device?

You're making it look a bit like the M25 orbital road around London.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MasterPlaster on June 19, 2009, 05:50:21 PM
Out of box thinking:
For core material:
I am not into UFOs but please watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwrKeqDqQuE&feature=channel_page
around 3:44.

We've got to float this shit or we are done for.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 19, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
LOL Grumpy, that was a good one :)
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).

Radial magnetic field

Hmm

A curious observation is that when direct current is first applied to a conductor, little metal things like paper clips strung along the length of the wire will flip around as if a magnet moved in a helix along the wire.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 19, 2009, 11:43:42 PM
On further research I see that the Mobius loop is mentioned in a couple of TPU designs. However, I cant see how round wire could ever become a Mobius loop... surely this can only apply to flat ribbon-like lengths of material. This seems to be another area of confusion.

Also, the shape of SM's devices is worth giving some thought. His collector coils are not circular and uniformly radial, the collector coil clearly has more height than width.   

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on June 19, 2009, 11:57:40 PM
On further research I see that the Mobius loop is mentioned in a couple of TPU designs. However, I cant see how round wire could ever become a Mobius loop... surely this can only apply to flat ribbon-like lengths of material. This seems to be another area of confusion.

Also, the shape of SM's devices is worth giving some thought. His collector coils are not circular and uniformly radial, the collector coil clearly has more height than width.

The basic thing about mobius coil is that the winding direction changes at mid point , or maybe better Phi solution could also be used to calculate mid point.

Mark
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 20, 2009, 11:30:33 AM
As far as I'm aware a Mobius loop effectively only has one side whereas it intitially appears to have two. I don't see how this term can possibly be applied to round wire which only has one side to start with. Yet looping the collector coil back on itself could possibly cancel out the back emf making it very efficient as per a Tesla bifilar coil.

Anyway, again on further research it would seem to me that SM's device most closely resembles the Tesla device than anything else I've seen. But I believe Tesla used a core as a former, not the collector as many are suggesting.

Yet more intrigue.

Something else I found interesting was this quote (thanks Dutchy):

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Yes Norbert, we did try them south of the equator, they work in reverse.
Can someone tell me why?


This statement would really tend to suggest interaction with the Earth's magnetic field rather than interstellar, or cosmic background radiation.  This is also backed up somewhat by the gyroscopic effect mentioned elsewhere.



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 20, 2009, 01:42:34 PM
The Mobius loop, in this case, has two qualities.
1. The current flow has one direction.
2. The coil polarity flips between the top and bottom loop sections. (WRONG! in the way it has been shown used for most TPU builds. The polarity does not flip in these builds but it may allow acceleration on one half of the loop only, while causing 720 deg. rotation to complete a circle.)

For the 'Norbert' comment I suggest you do experiments about static magnetic fields with velocity, while in the Earth's field. I know of no papers on this.

Edit>>>

Oops! 'Static magnetic fields with velocity while in another magnetic field'. I made a Sideroxylon  :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 20, 2009, 04:47:40 PM
Nope, I just can't see how a coil of wire can be turned into a Mobius loop, especially given there must be terminals for the load.

Are there any drawings or depictions of a collector coil laid out in Mobius loop format, because after playing about with a piece of string for half an hour, I'm really struggling to see how this can be be achieved.

A Mobius strip, band or ribbon is very clear to understand, but applying this to a coil of wire is not at all obvious, and I have my doubts about this being incorporated in an SM TPU.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on June 20, 2009, 08:47:31 PM
@all

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tripole.htm

this can also be done from a bifilar coil and without the knots , so can't assume that sm did not use it . but if it really doesn't see its load , then i doesn't mess up the kick sync.

Mark
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 20, 2009, 10:22:17 PM
Nope, I just can't see how a coil of wire can be turned into a Mobius loop, especially given there must be terminals for the load.

Are there any drawings or depictions of a collector coil laid out in Mobius loop format, because after playing about with a piece of string for half an hour, I'm really struggling to see how this can be be achieved.

A Mobius strip, band or ribbon is very clear to understand, but applying this to a coil of wire is not at all obvious, and I have my doubts about this being incorporated in an SM TPU.

Try it with a piece of ribbon cable (multi-conductor flat). It'll be easier to visualize but not likely part of a TPU.

I don't remember 'Mobius' being mentioned in the SM texts anyway. It just seems to provide positive results for a few who have tried it.

The key is 'always do it the way you understand it'. Make your own choices.
 

Who said this coil is where load is connected? That would defeat the purpose.

See..... I think of things my way  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 20, 2009, 11:36:15 PM
heloo  here 
i like to say some simple my thinging

if i say  that for ufos  and tpu there is clousing stuff beatveing this two

everthing is magnetism  and rotations 

some my of  hmm

for ufo  craft
< if the  flaying disc or craft or  ... is posible to make  insaid to have some  mexanical  devics or not mexnical  spinig  ho whill be  more fast then 82 meter in one secund to makes rotation then  the  objeckt whill be  very easy to move beacouse  he whill be lost the kilogram or tones
>this  whill be produced own antigravitation  >
 tpu is like that   like giroscope effeckt > s.m say  that in his vedeos
is makes  spining vortex 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 20, 2009, 11:56:02 PM
Interesting link Mk1, but it seems to me that even Naudin has a funny idea about what a Mobius loop is - he even spells it differently.

Bep, yes that was my point exactly, you can form a mobius loop from a ribbon or a strip, but not from a loop of round wire.

Quote
Who said this coil is where load is connected? That would defeat the purpose.

There are a few mentions of a Mobius coil being used for a collector on this site. And yes, the fact that the collector has terminals to attach a load, again meant that they are not true Mobius loops.  I think the definition of a true Mobius loop is probably getting a little distorted by a few people.

Not to worry, I'm still working my way through things trying to clarify as much as I can in order to give me a basis for my 1st prototype TPU.

As far as I can make out, magnetic fields are also a source of radiant energy, and when a large magnetic field colapses very quickly, this temporarily creates an energy void, or as some people refer to it, 'a sink', whereby radiant energy then rushes in to fill this 'void'.

Another explanation might be that opposing magnetic fields that effectively cancel each other out could also open the door to radiant energy, by again producing an energy void.

I am under the impression that the Caduceus coil or Caduceus wound coils will be far more effective at achieving this phenomena, and indeed more practical than a Mobius loop.

I'm considering doing some experiments with a ring of copper tubing filled with electrolyte as a former on which to add coils. The idea being that the ions in the electrolyte will react to pulses provided to the coils, but being 50,000 times the mass of the electron, will not initially be able to move quick enough, which itself might lead to some interesting results. Furthermore if multiple coils are pulsed and the ions are caused to move, due to their mass they will not stop as quickly as the electrons. In this experiment I intend to have my collector coil wrapped around my electrolyte filled, copper tube former, with control coils wrapped at intervals around my collector coil.

I notice that many people use 3 control coils, which effectively simulates a 3-phase power supply.

All very interesting stuff, but with so little known facts or proof, it is all hypothesis with very little foundation to build on. I guess I'll have to rely on my own build to provide most of the answers... of course, whether or not I will be able to make head or tail of the results will be another matter entirely.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 21, 2009, 01:08:37 PM
Is there anyone looking in that is currently building, or testing a previously built TPU, that I can actually converse with?

That is, someone prepared to compare and discuss designs, substantiate experiments and exchange data and results.

Anyone??

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 21, 2009, 03:04:20 PM
All very interesting stuff, but with so little known facts or proof, it is all hypothesis with very little foundation to build on. I guess I'll have to rely on my own build to provide most of the answers... of course, whether or not I will be able to make head or tail of the results will be another matter entirely.

Pretty much what I told you at the beginning. You're finally catching on ;)

There are a number of people testing, but unless at least two are working on essentially the same configuration, it would be pretty hard to discuss anything meaningful, wouldn't it?

Good luck with your build and tests.

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 21, 2009, 03:40:05 PM
P99

Quote
There are a number of people testing, but unless at least two are working on essentially the same configuration, it would be pretty hard to discuss anything meaningful, wouldn't it?


Not necessarily, it could save a lot of unnecessary experimenting by possibly eliminating some designs while perhaps indicating promising paths on which to concentrate... besides it's good to converse with people doing similar things and compare notes.

Though at this point I do rather get the feeling that I'll be the only one doing any practical work.

It would also be nice to see some pictures of TPUs that members have built.

Incidentally, this seems to be one of the most informative SM videos.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark

We are told here that it is basically a configuration of simple coils, which appears to be operating at some resonant frequency that is kick started by the small permanent magnet. With the magnet removed the output gradually decreases just like the decay of oscillations observed from an LC circuit once the maintenance pulse is removed.

Extremely interesting is that the device stops working when it is turned upside down, which in itself seems quite bizarre. Fascinating.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 21, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
Extremely interesting is that the device stops working when it is turned upside down, which in itself seems quite bizarre. Fascinating.

This is an enormous clue to the operation of these devices, but so few bothered to try to figure it out.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 21, 2009, 08:18:27 PM


 :D

the output is basiclly dc ....  lol

ist

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 21, 2009, 11:51:07 PM
Hi Grumpy,

I concur that the fact that the device does not work when inverted is likely a very important clue, as (if true) is the statement whereby the current is said to reverse when the device is operated in the other hemisphere. If this is indeed the case, could we not expect some people to have built TPU's that do not work because they have been effectively built the wrong way up, and they never thought to turn them upside down... just a thought.

So what would cause this particular phenomenom, after all it's basically just a bundle of coils?

OK, this is what I have to go on so far.

The collector is made up of 3 individual coils of wire, not interweaved, but placed one above the other. These are coiled around the circumference of a non-ferrite, neutral former, such as plastic or wood.

Around these 3 collector coils and former are wrapped so-called control coils at 90 degrees to the collector coils. These control coils consist of numerous (at least 3) coils that each cover one third (if 3) of the collector coil, along with one control coil that completely covers these 3 coils.

Now things get a little sketchy. Question: Are there smaller coils located within the larger coil assembly, such as Caduceus coils collecting energy, and are the control coils pulsed by a small IC such as a 555 timer?

In a reply to Lindsay SM says, quote: 'It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes today'.

This clearly suggests that ICs are used to produce the necessary pulsing of coils.  Possibly a 555 timer cct that has been modified to provide the necessary 3 phases to pulse each of the 3 main control coils in sequence.  This would resemble very closely the model proposed by Spheric.

There has never been any mention of a battery power source, but you would imagine that even a small IC oscillator would require such a thing.

So what about the power source for this IC?  Ever heard of a crystal radio set?

This is where things are confusing, because in one video SM seems to start the device oscillating simply by the proximity of a small magnet... or is this simply operating a reed relay that then powers up the oscillator from something like a button cell?  I don't know what to make of this as yet.

Why would this device cease to work when inverted? Its obviously not something SM implemented for effect as it would make no sense to highlight a potential problem. SM himself genuinely seemed to have no explanation for this perculiarity and I certainly felt he was illustrating this simply to emphasise just how unusual the device was.

So, why does inverting the device affect its operation?  Have you given this much thought over the years Grumpy? Any ideas?

Incidentally, does Lindsay still frequent the forum or is she one of the dear departed?

 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 22, 2009, 12:46:38 AM
linsey is a she ..... ?

really ?

hummmmm

i think the coil bucks the earths feilds ...  when flipped it would attract .... 

??  no 

ist!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 22, 2009, 01:03:26 AM

So, why does inverting the device affect its operation?  Have you given this much thought over the years Grumpy? Any ideas?


Ask the experts.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 22, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
Ask the experts.

Who are the experts? 

Do I take it then that you have not yourself given this any thought then Grumps and hence have no opinion on this?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 22, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Who are the experts? 

Do I take it then that you have not yourself given this any thought then Grumps and hence have no opinion on this?

Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 22, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own.

YEP IM HEARING THAT ....

I DID LOTS OF MY OWN WORK .....  SURE WITHOUT THE TPU OF STEVEN AND MARK ...

NONE OF THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC ...... 

BUT YOU CAN DO ALL THE WORK YOU WANT .... 

THEY DONT WANT IT

IM SELLING ROCKS ONLY NOW ....  GET TUNED!!

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC ....

IST!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 22, 2009, 05:46:25 PM
This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

Quote
Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 22, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
Well, let's see now...

I don't know you, or what you are about.

It took me years to figure out why the old TPU's stopped when flipped over. 

There are people that wish to use this technology for their own gain, and I have absolutely no desire to help them in any way.

So, pardon me for not wanting to just blurt it out.

Do your own damn thinking and figure it out on your own:

1. Why do you think the old TPU's stopped when flipped over? 

2. This issue appears to not occur in the later versions of the TPU.  What is different?

3. Rotating is opposite in opposite hemispheres of the globe.  Why?






This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 22, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.

We learned a greater level by compassion and eagerness instead of taking.
Look up Boyd Bushman and the spinning Celt. The interview is priceless. It is in the new David Sereda video about Andromeda.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Boyd+Bushman+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Check it out with an open mind. You know the part that doesn't know everything?

--giantkiller. Be still and you will move farther.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Cherryman on June 22, 2009, 07:23:38 PM
...
Look up Boyd Bushman and the spinning Celt. The interview is priceless. It is in the new David Sereda video about Andromeda.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Boyd+Bushman+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Check it out with an open mind. You know the part that doesn't know everything?

--giantkiller. Be still and you will move farther.


Great interview, i watched all three parts! Tnx.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 22, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
What...?

Quote
We learned a greater level by compassion and eagerness instead of taking.

You have got to be kidding... more riddles... more cryptic nonsense.

It's not about taking it's about sharing.

Ok, so just let me get this straight.

This is supposedly an 'Open Source' forum in order to bring important technology that may be being suppressed to the masses. Supposedly a place where those of us interested in the TPU can get together and try to decipher the workings of the device in order to replicate the TPUs demonstrated by SM.

But, - and this is the strange part - even though no one yet has a working TPU, no one is prepared to even discuss their experiments, discuss their findings or divulge even the most trivial pieces of possibly relevant information in order to further the cause.

In effect I seem to be being told to go and figure it out for myself, even though none of you yet have.

What's that all about? It makes a complete nonsense of the forum.

Has it not occurred to any of you that a fresh outlook might be just what is needed to get things moving in the right direction again, afterall very little would appear to have been achieved in... how many years?

But hey, if that's the way you want it, I'll leave you to chit-chat amongst yourselves about cooking and other equally interesting topics.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 22, 2009, 11:02:24 PM
Farrah
You have to be a little CRAZY to play with this [in a good way]
Sort of like telling people with NO knowledge how to build a microwave from the inside out.[but MUCH more serious ]
These fellows have been living ,eating, ,breathing and pooping this stuff for years now.
I know I'm a village idiot when it comes to TPU's
Thats why I shutup and listen ,and learn whenever I can

And you want to start a thread and play LETS BUILD in a couple weeks ?
Good luck
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 22, 2009, 11:18:32 PM
YEP GREAT VID ....  LOL


THE REALITY OF TRUTH CAN SMACK YA RIGHT UPSIDE THE 3RD EYE ...

IST!

I HAVE SEEN THIS SOME TIME AGO ....
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 22, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
Ah!, come on Farrah!

You don't need to know anything about flipping and turning off to start working on it.

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg83207#msg83207

It appears he was correct about the kick, per recent posts in this thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7377.0





What...?

You have got to be kidding... more riddles... more cryptic nonsense.

It's not about taking it's about sharing.

Ok, so just let me get this straight.

This is supposedly an 'Open Source' forum in order to bring important technology that may be being suppressed to the masses. Supposedly a place where those of us interested in the TPU can get together and try to decipher the workings of the device in order to replicate the TPUs demonstrated by SM.

But, - and this is the strange part - even though no one yet has a working TPU, no one is prepared to even discuss their experiments, discuss their findings or divulge even the most trivial pieces of possibly relevant information in order to further the cause.

In effect I seem to be being told to go and figure it out for myself, even though none of you yet have.

What's that all about? It makes a complete nonsense of the forum.

Has it not occurred to any of you that a fresh outlook might be just what is needed to get things moving in the right direction again, afterall very little would appear to have been achieved in... how many years?

But hey, if that's the way you want it, I'll leave you to chit-chat amongst yourselves about cooking and other equally interesting topics.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 22, 2009, 11:30:04 PM
Hi Chet

Quote
These fellows have been living ,eating, ,breathing and pooping this stuff for years now.

Well they're certainly pooping it.

Chet, ever heard the saying. 'A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing'?

Well don't worry, in that respect it would seem we're quite safe around here as no one has any - or if they do they're not going to share it with you.

Anyway I'm through with wasting my time here.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 22, 2009, 11:52:47 PM
And that is exactly why the first line out the chute diatribes this very compendium:
Quote
There are those amongst you that have shown courage and conviction; something that is sorely lacking in so many of the young minds of today. Can I say that you will all believe what I have to say ? Certainly not. It is a reflection of society today that so many do not question yet reject anything outside of their comfort zone.

or what is must be earned.

A riddle sounds confusing if you don't know the answer. But it was a simple question all along.

Or better yet:
What patents, that you have read, fit into this technology?
What materials and physics apply or debunk what this is all about?
Well this time, my friend, the lesser known are going to kick ass on the status quo of the educated heirarchy. Don't you want a piece of this action? Listen and learn.

--giantkiller. 'nuff said. Ain't one to add to the confusion.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 12:16:22 AM
Farrah
You should stick around ,you have come into the show
at the 3rd ACT.
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 23, 2009, 01:13:46 AM
Farrah
You should stick around ,you have come into the show
at the 3rd ACT.
Chet

DITTO.... 


THIS IS WHERE IT GOES CRAZY  ;D


COME JOIN US ...

IS
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 23, 2009, 01:17:28 AM
Farrah
You should stick around ,you have come into the show
at the 3rd ACT.
Chet

Good one @ramset.

Problem is you've lost count. I've only been here about two years. There must be around a hundred acts.

Since then one cell phone company announced a cell phone battery that can be recharged by pouring water into it. Another proclaimed a new cell phone design that charges itself with a promise for one that will provide running and charging power.

Those are only two examples. Both were freely published experiments on free energy forums before the company announcements. That is enough to make me wonder. What else should be posted as open-source?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 23, 2009, 01:27:01 AM
FD, I feel for you sir.

You've been on ou for a long time, but evidently never checked out the TPU threads until recently. Yes you are WAY behind in several aspects, and yes very little (in some respects) has been learned about the TPU in the last 3 years here, but there has been progress.

Take a moment to reflect on how little there is to go on, and what IS available is cryptic to begin with, and you may realize that it's no wonder little progress has been made in this time. The inventor isn't talking, and we are largely speculating. It's as simple as that isn't it? Why are you blaming us for not having prepared the recipe for you? No one has done it for us, and for that matter, no one can as far as I know.

Many feel they are on the brink of an eureka, but again this is mostly speculation, conjecture, and hypotheses etc.

So apologies that there is no TPU "recipe book" to download, but do you think you are the first individual to arrive in these threads asking for one? Not quite, there have been several.

I suggested you go read the spherics thread...have you done so? Have you already exhausted all the information provided there? Do some work and get your hands dirty, because the very few here that DO know very little about the TPU, are not talking.

You want conversation and discussion about the TPU? Then tell us something we don't already know and that will be a good start. Otherwise, I suggest you go do some reading and catch up.

Respectfully,
.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 02:09:13 AM
I haven't read any TPU threads in months, but Is there a general consensus on the mechanism behind the TPU? 


Is it supposed to couple to earth's magnetic field  and somehow convert it  into electricity?

Couple to the Schuman resonance?

Somehow couple to HV power lines?  (If I remember right Stephen Mark's house was right next to some HV power lines)

Some nuclear technology maybe?  Like cold fusion?  (I've heard of the TPU getting very hot for unknown reasons)

Or some unknown energy source?


It seems like it might be helpful there was a theory wrt the (hypothetical)  TPU's energy source.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 02:14:37 AM
Bep
99
I know the concerns of late [99 has made that clear,as now you have Bep with examples]
BIG changes going on
It used to be[reason for not disclosing TPU] Oh... that would crash our economy
Now its Oh...the bad guy's will trick you and you'll never make a dime /no product to market!!

Big changes going on everywhere every day,
Tesla had more than a dream ,more than a vision ,he had a reality that he could not share .Spoke of a time in the future when men would call the power to THEM
Here we are boy's [and Farrah] No LIAR FOR HIAR [lawyer]will stop this
Some wire and radioshack parts???.How can you possibly stop that?

And yes as Grumpula said
"Take a look at this thread:"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg83207#msg83207

It appears he was correct about the kick, per recent posts in this thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7377.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Makes more sense every time I read it[because of listening to the fellows here]
Thanks fellows
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 02:39:23 AM
Bep
99
By the way
Giving examples of OU forum[and others ] being a place to harvest talent and ideas,and then you say you have seen these ideas brought to market
From idea to proof of concept,from proof of concept to funding, from funding to prototype from prototype to testing from testing to production
Do I have to go on,[its a lot longer] I assume your examples are 4to 5 yrs old
Or you could be looking at the shoe on the other foot,your ideas on OU forums were well on their way to reality/production when you saw them.

Concept to consumer is a place where I am not the village idiot
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 23, 2009, 02:42:07 AM
I haven't read any TPU threads in months, but Is there a general consensus on the mechanism behind the TPU? 


Is it supposed to couple to earth's magnetic field  and somehow convert it  into electricity?

Couple to the Schuman resonance?

Somehow couple to HV power lines?  (If I remember right Stephen Mark's house was right next to some HV power lines)

Some nuclear technology maybe?  Like cold fusion?  (I've heard of the TPU getting very hot for unknown reasons)

Or some unknown energy source?


It seems like it might be helpful there was a theory wrt the (hypothetical)  TPU's energy source.

 ??? Didn't we just go through this  ???

FD, maybe you can fill newbie123 in?

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 03:31:13 AM
99
By the way
Giving examples of OU forum[and others ] being a place to harvest talent and ideas,and then you say you have seen these ideas brought to market
From idea to proof of concept,from proof of concept to funding, from funding to prototype from prototype to testing from testing to production
Do I have to go on,[its a lot longer] I assume your examples are 4to 5 yrs old
Or you could be looking at the shoe on the other foot,your ideas on OU forums were well on their way to reality/production when you saw them.


Do you have any idea the cost/extent of testing to get an Underwriters lab cert?
I can just see it now[not!!]
This TPU is an open source project or it is nothing.
We are not talking about a new battery or a phone that can charge its own little batteries
This would be a liability nightmare ,and studying the OU devices of recent times
Liability [in the form of ,can be dangerous] has probably been our biggest problem after the dusty shelf in the patent office [the one marked National security risk]
Teach a man to fish [not sharks]
Chet
BTW
Thats why I like magnets and gravity,very passive ,simple, nobody gets hurt [I know, nobody gets hurt  because its impossible!!]
 PS
Do you know where will be in 4-5 yrs?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 03:37:05 AM
??? Didn't we just go through this  ???

What did I miss?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 23, 2009, 03:50:36 AM
Chet,

Actually, I'm talking about ideas being swiped from this and other forums, from recent times.

Regarding the question about cost to get a UL/CSA label? You wouldn't even get that far with a FE device.

This stuff won't make it to market, guaranteed. At least until there's not enough oil reserves left to supply both the manufacturing AND fuel industries. That's why Chava is doomed to failure if indeed they are in it strictly to make money. On the other hand, if they're willing to wait 20 to 40 years for the oil bottom to fall out, they might reap the benefits of 'their' technology at that time. Of course by then the world could be quite a different place.

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 03:58:01 AM
99
"recent times ",is my point
Takes a long time from concept to consumer,perhaps longer than the time frame you refer to[recent]
It takes years,especially new techs to get to market.
and yes the TPU would have to be a members only [one man teaches his neighbor] kind of thing
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 23, 2009, 04:29:30 AM
SM was adamant that the TPU was a "conversion device" - this may imply that it converts energy from a non-useful form into a useful form.

Yes, that is deliberately vague, but I am not required to say anything at all.

Got to the spherics thread, find the bifilar coil experiment and start with that.





I haven't read any TPU threads in months, but Is there a general consensus on the mechanism behind the TPU? 


Is it supposed to couple to earth's magnetic field  and somehow convert it  into electricity?

Couple to the Schuman resonance?

Somehow couple to HV power lines?  (If I remember right Stephen Mark's house was right next to some HV power lines)

Some nuclear technology maybe?  Like cold fusion?  (I've heard of the TPU getting very hot for unknown reasons)

Or some unknown energy source?


It seems like it might be helpful there was a theory wrt the (hypothetical)  TPU's energy source.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 23, 2009, 04:39:53 AM
@ramset

Your arguments are correct and honorable. I'm sure most would agree.

You should agree that one person teaching his neighbors all he knows about a tech - then that tech finally being a stupid mistake or completely useless only does harm to the neighbors. There is the argument that all learn in the process. But that is not how it works.

How many sharing individuals were not dumped upon with everything negative imaginable? Not many.

Yes, I know what it takes to theorize, prove, prototype, test and retest, etc. AND obtain a UL cert.
I am also familiar with doing all the above and then having a gaggle of lawyers convince a court that I had nothing to do with it.

I've told the rest of the story too often.

There is only one answer - Create or decipher some badly needed puzzle piece then post it for the masses. See for yourself what the result is. 

Your arguments ARE correct and honorable. Unfortunately, they are just as much an echo as the demand for design specs.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 05:22:05 AM
SM was adamant that the TPU was a "conversion device" - this may imply that it converts energy from a non-useful form into a useful form.

Converts what into electricity? 

What is the general consensus?  Or is there none?



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 05:24:18 AM
Bep
The TPU will definitely fall into the road less traveled category
And yes unless you know what your doing ,you can't teach a man to fish
You guy's make this TPU sound so freakin cool ,the stuff dreams are made of,however I know its VERY capable of hurting even someone that has experience in R+D engineering
So I won't play.
Until its safe and understood more
Many everyday things around us are lethal if approached in complete ignorance
OH how I would love to not be so ignorant of the things TPU!!
BTW
No insult ,but I hope you are being careful smashing fields /waves together!![I've heard nothing can stop some waves]
You men are the best and it truly is an honor to feast on the crumbs you drop off the table
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 23, 2009, 01:22:50 PM
Hi Newbie

You're asking too many questions... naughty, naughty! What do you think this is, an open source forum!

Unfortunately we appear to have come in at a time when people seem to just want to idle chit-chat as opposed to sharing potentially useful information or collaborate on a project. You might have already noted my frustration. :)

Some posts are nonsensical, some posts are intelligible or incoherent, while the likes of Grumps seems to be here simply to tell us that he is not going to tell us anything... and of course the obligatory village idiot pipes up now and then.  We are in a strange place... the twilight zone!

All I wanted was to be pointed in the right direction by people who I assumed were more experienced participants in this science. A little help and advice that could possibly save me a lot of time, needless experiments and multiple TPU builds. A few useful tips on the best way to proceed. I wanted to get a feel for the science and, like you, a view of the general concensus of what was going on, power source, etc. Instead I feel like I'm intruding at someones private party.

Newbie, I thought this science might be the key to the various WFC's that claim exceptional results when employing bifilar coils ans inductors. Unfortunately, no one here is prepared to proffer anything helpful.

My husband has never understood my interest in science and thinks I should be sticking to washing the dishes, cooking and ironing his shirts (bless him) - and after the responses I've had from here, perhaps he's right. ;)

Anyway, if the thing gets hot, it is obviously dissipating a lot of power. I wonder whether the device gets hot if it has no load... I also wonder whether the device will still get hot at full load.  Ie, could it be that the collector coils are absorbing so much energy when the device is switched on that it will indeed self-destruct over time unless this energy is drawn off?

Like our infamous SM, I daresay this SM also was only hypothesising for the main part, as clearly he nor anyone else had any idea why the device worked in the first place. Just to say I would personally keep an open mind as to the nature of the energy source at present.

We really need input from, Loner.

My dilemma now is, why should I bother to post my TPU build, experiments and results here, when people are so unhelpful.   Is that perhaps a question anyone would care to answer?

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 23, 2009, 02:19:35 PM
My dilemma now is, why should I bother to post my TPU build, experiments and results here, when people are so unhelpful.   Is that perhaps a question anyone would care to answer?

FD,

First, my apologies for assuming "sir" was correct.

Second, no one has been helpful? That doesn't make sense. We gave you some, perhaps THE direction to start. There's been no response regarding that.

All the questions being asked here have been asked and addressed before, and more than one time. It sounds like you have not read all the material SM passed on to us. My suggestion, if you truly are interested in making a difference, is to go through the material and produce a document that does just what you are asking for, that is...answer several questions. It could be an addendum to the TPU FAQ that already exists if you wish.

This way, you will have gone through all the material, weeded out the relevant information, and made the lives of all those that will follow you (such as newbie123) easier by giving them an introductory FAQ to bring them up to speed.

It won't be easy because everyone has their own ideas about the TPU operation and theories galore. Doubtful there is any consensus, but I am just repeating myself once more.

Part of the reason why some don't respond to questions here is because it would elicit many debates that could go on forever and lead to nowhere. Many of us have been there and done that and don't wish to go there again. These questions have been hammered to death many times, and still there is no consensus.

Please do go through the material and formulate your own consensus with all the "new" folks here. No one is stopping you.

You asked for direction, and direction has been given. Why do you not start there? The specific direction has been given because it is felt that this IS indeed a shortcut to TPU research. READ THE SPHERICS MATERIAL! DO THE BIFILAR EXPERIMENT! POST YOUR RESULTING WAVE FORM AS A FEW HAVE RECENTLY DONE!

I hope that was clear enough.

Regards,
.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 23, 2009, 04:03:24 PM
P99

You are correct, I think I've probably over-reacted a little. I'm not the most patient of people and worse still I have a low tolerance for idiots and idiot posts - as many others will testify to. 

Looking back I think old Grumpy's, "I know something... but I'm not going to tell you", attitude is what really riled me. But I guess I've just got to learn to bite my tongue, eh.

Yes, the Spherics post has been read and is amongst the best info on the forum, in my humble opinion.

Everything seems to come down to magnetic fields - or voids in such - so I'm inclined to think that the Earth's magnetic field is indeed playing a part in SM's device.

Anyone who has tried to separate 2 neos would realise just how much energy is contained within magnetic fields. And as many people will testify to, it can be impossible to push 2 like sides of even relatively small neos together, however much energy you expend on trying to do this.

OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.

That is if the oscillations are left to totally decay (and possibly the small power source removed), and then the device re-started in it's new inverted orientation.

What I think is likely to be happening is that turning it upside down alters the influence of the Earth's magnetic field, which then acts to counteract the oscillations in the device, until finally said oscillations are completely damped.  Hence the device effectively acts against itself. However, I really would expect the device to work in this inverted position again if restarted, but then to stop again if turned back to it's original orientation.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 04:19:33 PM
Poyt, Thanks for getting to the point.


I just remembered...  SM  (in a video)  is talking about the vibrations of the TPU and says "It oscillates at roughly 8 hz"  If I remember right;  which would seem to  imply it's interacting with Schumann resonance..

 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Farrah day,

Here is the most down to earth TPU experimenter that  I've seen..  http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdo300

I'm not sure if he visits this forum or published his findings.



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 23, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
Farrah day,

Here is the most down to earth TPU experimenter that  I've seen..  http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdo300

I'm not sure if he visits this forum or published his findings.

Yes! We all have a place to be. Find yours, dig your heels in, and create.

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OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.
The answer is in the video on the glass table in the front door area by the step. SM has a 6" TPU with a lighted bulb in his hands. He purposely swings it down by his side. It is hanging vertically and the bulb does not diminish in brightness. Say what?

I will tell my sleuthing approach.
1: Yes we really dont see electronics or technical measurements.
2: no schematics
3: vague responses
4: cloak and dagger type posts.

But I will tell you this: Be suspicious and look at everything in the videos.
Things placed in the rooms,
the environments of the rooms.
Hand motions,
vague references or simplistic statements.

Everything is staged and nothing is left unattended or hidden that are not clues.
If you are looking for part numbers, forget it.
SM said 'Go to radio shack and get a handful parts'. Guess what? I did and along with many others proved that is exactly what he meant! This is your biggest clue. Why, we have even gone to the hardware store and found things that were necessary. Radio shack sells the magnet he pulls out of his pocket. He even proves it with the way he constructed and showed his coils. The glass table, the marble floors, the dogs barking, the fisher-price train on a circular track by the front door, the amp meter displays, the drill, the TV. All were shown as parts and pieces.
If all this seems simplistic and 'out there' then you don't have the creativity to continue. Save your energy. This isn't your standard UL sanctified home appliance.

Pull all your house fuses but one. This leaves the meter spinning. On the zone still on the grid plug in a small transformer for charging your phone. Simple. No you can claim that you are not trying to gain sovreignty. Muy importante! You will still pay your energy taxes. The gov can't touch you. The TPU will be plugged into any of the other dead outlets. This will power the rest of your zones. Now live your life with the 80% savings. We will get to transportation later. If you alter your vehicle for public road access you had better do you homework first. Especially if it is not manually or combustion fuel powered .
Take your savings, built another TPU and install it in another house, Take a percentage of the savings over 6 months. The owner will gladly shake your hand. Take those savings and built another one, and another one, and another one. So on and so on. DId you sell a non-sanctified appliance? Hell no! You sold information on saving energy by going green. See?
Think I am full of crap? Question your own motives first. How do you think we are going to get this done?
Should you be thrown in jail then another person will release the technical info to true open source. By then it will be too late.
But if you think you are going to run down the street thinking you've started a new 4th of July, you are just prairie doggin' at a snipe fest.

All the successive stages of people here are needed. Can't any of you taste this victory? This will be like the 2nd Boston tea party.
Put your nose to the grindstone, not the axe to your neck.
It can never be about money. The players that threw the tea overboard were not paid.

--giantkiller. Get the idea? If you don't live your dreams then you are living someone elses nightmare.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 23, 2009, 06:52:09 PM

OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.

That is if the oscillations are left to totally decay (and possibly the small power source removed), and then the device re-started in it's new inverted orientation.

What I think is likely to be happening is that turning it upside down alters the influence of the Earth's magnetic field, which then acts to counteract the oscillations in the device, until said oscillations are completely damped.  Hence the device acts against itself. I really would expect the device to work in this inverted position again if restarted, but then to stop again if turned back to it's original orientation.

isn't the rotation in the wrong direction when you flip it over?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 06:56:06 PM
GK,  :o


Farrah day,
Here's another replication http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gamjvGxVjUQ , results are about 45 percent energy loss from primary to secondary.

And the most likely power source of any working TPU is discussed here:  http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=9291




Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 23, 2009, 06:58:33 PM
isn't the rotation in the wrong direction when you flip it over?

not if it is ac .....   

tesla states pulsed ac or pulsed dc ... can be used ...   and he could have simply rectified it to dc ... on the out put stage ...

is

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 23, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
GK
Geeeess.. I wish we were neighbors!!

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: TheNOP on June 23, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
Since then one cell phone company announced a cell phone battery that can be recharged by pouring water into it. Another proclaimed a new cell phone design that charges itself with a promise for one that will provide running and charging power.

Those are only two examples. Both were freely published experiments on free energy forums before the company announcements. That is enough to make me wonder. What else should be posted as open-source?
it is sad that the inventor(s) are not the one making money out of these new tech.
but what have they done, have they even tried to market their(s) discovery ?

are you not happy that everyone will now be able to get them ?
and since the informations on them are open source, prices should fall pretty quickly i think.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 23, 2009, 08:25:54 PM
Note to all, I fail to see how the earths magnetic field could be used for any useful power generation, any power could only be derived from the oscillation of the field caused by Schumann resonance, that oscillation is VERY weak.

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the amplitude of the Schumann resonance magnetic field (~1 picoTesla) is many orders of magnitude smaller than the Earth magnetic field (~30-50 microTesla)
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance)

You would need to interact with a VERY large volume of field in order to get even close to 1 watt.

I don´t think the TPU will derive power from it. Maybe it could be modulated by it, but the primary power source... I don´t think so!

It´s more likely that classical electrical interactions are coupled with temporal distortions. If you immerse the L of an LC tank within a properly phased local time warp bubble then the tank will run with gain. Sounds far fetched, but IMHO much more likely than taking power from the earths mag field.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 23, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
It´s more likely that classical electrical interactions are coupled with temporal distortions. If you immerse the L of an LC tank within a properly phased local time warp bubble then the tank will run with gain. Sounds far fetched, but IMHO much more likely than taking power from the earths mag field.

Of course... I hadn't thought of that  :)

Quote
GK
Geeeess.. I wish we were neighbors!!

I don't think he'd be too much fun at parties, Chet!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 23, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
GK
Geeeess.. I wish we were neighbors!!

Chet

Are you sure?
My present set of neighbors are unwitting lab rats. :D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 23, 2009, 09:20:04 PM
GK   


funny sh!t    ;D

yucca bro ....   

i think the tpu does interact with the earths magic feild ...   

infact any electro magnet feild will interact  upon colapse ...

ist ..

now that being said ....  ;D

i bet it will interact with your feild when you all get your rocks on ....   hummmm 

a hand held 

D.O.T.U.  :D

IST!

PS RODIN ALREADY DID THE MATH ....   :o

HOW MUCH MORE CUTTING EDGE TECK DO YOU WANT A CONCISOUSNESS ... VESSEL.... 

HUMMMMM

LOL

WHAT INTENCTION PROGRAMED CRYSTALS USEING TACKION ENGERY ....  YIKES


THE SLOW EARTH TRIPS ON THE KICK STILL ....  ::)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: zapnic on June 23, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
i believe control coils are  brakes?current brake?
like Stevie boy Say's something about sound barrier ?
and  extra power comes from inrush current ?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 23, 2009, 11:19:33 PM
It´s more likely that classical electrical interactions are coupled with temporal distortions. If you immerse the L of an LC tank within a properly phased local time warp bubble then the tank will run with gain. Sounds far fetched, but IMHO much more likely than taking power from the earths mag field.
I'd like to hear more on that.
The CC warp the space-time around the collector (that's L) and ...?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 23, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
i believe control coils are  brakes?current brake?
like Stevie boy Say's something about sound barrier ?
and  extra power comes from inrush current ?

With the correct set up they might aptly be called 'control' coils, because not only would they initiate the process, but also could be used to stabilize and regulate the output.

However, SM's compact devices would tend to suggest he has everything pre-set, with no control (and certainly no brakes) other than deactivating the unit.

Regarding SM's TPUs not working upside down. Grumps said that SM's later units did not suffer from this problem, while GK pointed out that the 6" version seemed to function ok when being handled in all orientations, and with clearly no dimming of the load.  So, the question now is: Is the 6" version in the video a later version or is the whole upside down issue simply SM misinfo.

If the 6" version in the video is a later version, how could it possibly achieve the same result but not suffer this effect without radical redesign?  I smell a rat.

I'm now very much inclined towards the device tapping into ZPE via the creation of a vortex (or torsion fields) created by the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field (and possibly gravitation field) and the magnetic fields induced by the control coils. This seems as good a starting point as any and is the course I intend to initially pursue.

Newbie, you might find this link interesting if you don't already know about it:

http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=118
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 11:30:42 PM
I'd like to hear more on that.
The CC warp the space-time around the collector (that's L) and ...?

Gravity is the only force that will warp space-time..     Nothing couples to gravity except (big) mass (or energy) so I doubt that is the case.  The Schuman resonance AFAIK has nothing to do with gravity.


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 23, 2009, 11:50:56 PM
Hi Newbie

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Gravity is the only force that will warp space-time..     Nothing couples to gravity except except (big) mass so I doubt that is the case.

Granted gravity is not one of the most powerful forces in the universe, but remember that anything with mass exerts a gravitational force, and we all know that mass and energy are one and the same.

I'm not so sure the relative power of these forces is so important, I think it is maybe the void that is left if we disturb them that contains the energy.

Of course I'm probably wrong, but the way I'm looking at it is that it's like making a little hole in the bottom of a boat and having the sea rush in.

I see ZPE as always being there in the background - the very foundation on which our universe is built - but it is overlaid by all the other forces we are more obviously aware of, magnetism, electric fields, gravity, EM radiation. Poke a hole in any one of these and it effectively tears a hole in our space-time fabric allowing ZPE to rush through. At least that's the way I see it.

Newbie, I'm not sure if you're aware of the origins of the term ZPE, but if you're not google it. It's very enlightening - the energy available is unimaginable.

Incidentally, I've pretty much dismissed the Schuman resonance as playing any relevant part in the TPU. I'm focussing my attention on what happens when we create a situation whereby forces negate each other, ie the nulling of a magnetic field.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 23, 2009, 11:57:00 PM
Now on more speculative note, I've seen weird reactions of ferrite (iron) to 8hz pulses similar to "Marco's dancing magnets" but with a xformer and LED. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2009, 12:02:46 AM
Farrah,

Now you have a place to start...

"tsl" made a few posts about interacting fields - check it out


With the correct set up they might aptly be called 'control' coils, because not only would they initiate the process, but also could be used to stabilize and regulate the output.

However, SM's compact devices would tend to suggest he has everything pre-set, with no control (and certainly no brakes) other than deactivating the unit.

Regarding SM's TPUs not working upside down. Grumps said that SM's later units did not suffer from this problem, while GK pointed out that the 6" version seemed to function ok when being handled in all orientations, and with clearly no dimming of the load.  So, the question now is: Is the 6" version in the video a later version or is the whole upside down issue simply SM misinfo.

If the 6" version in the video is a later version, how could it possibly achieve the same result but not suffer this effect without radical redesign?  I smell a rat.

I'm now very much inclined towards the device tapping into ZPE via the creation of a vortex (or torsion fields) created by the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field (and possibly gravitation field) and the magnetic fields induced by the control coils. This seems as good a starting point as any and is the course I intend to initially pursue.

Newbie, you might find this link interesting if you don't already know about it:

http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=118
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 12:07:17 AM

Newbie, I'm not sure if you're aware of the origins of the term ZPE, but if you're not google it. It's very enlightening - the energy available is unimaginable.


Farrah Day, 

Actually,   I am  somewhat familiar with ZPE, and I've seen a  lot  of crap information about it on the web..   ZPE being an  "unlimited" source of energy AFAIK is very theoretical and considered pseudo science to the best of physicists.   A realistic example of ZPE is  helium's inability to freeze near absolute zero (it has more energy that it should w/o considering ZPE).


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 24, 2009, 12:09:11 AM
Gravity is the only force that will warp space-time..     Nothing couples to gravity except (big) mass (or energy) so I doubt that is the case.  The Schuman resonance AFAIK has nothing to do with gravity.
I'm not talking about Schumann here and btw Ronald Mallett, Professor at the University of Connecticut, is thinking that time could be warped.So again, the time around the collectors is warped, now what?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 12:15:53 AM
I'm not talking about Schumann here and btw Ronald Mallett, Professor at the University of Connecticut, is thinking that time could be warped.So again, the time around the collectors is warped, now what?

Can he prove it?  If he  can show that space-time will warp or cause time dilation  (around collectors) without a  relative velocity  or  gravity ...  He would  win a Nobel Prize.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 24, 2009, 12:19:37 AM
I'd like to hear more on that.
The CC warp the space-time around the collector (that's L) and ...?

Well it´s just an idea, I´m not saying this is so. But if on the up swing of an oscillation (as the L is pumping the C) the space time around L can be altered a little more than the space time around the C then the oscillation might show gain until dialectric breakdown of C or wire resistance due to heating stops further rise. Perhaps a timewarp will affect C more than L? in which case the collector coils inherent capacitance could be shifted?

Bucking field coils, bifilar, cadaceus etc. are said to cause temporal distortion, when analysed a cadaceus can sink alot of power without manifesting all of that power in a classically measurable way (heat, mag fld, e fld) because some of that power (it is thought) goes into putting ripples into space time (aka scalar waves, gravity waves) . So maybe, just maybe it´s a possible solution for the TPU?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2009, 12:51:09 AM
I'm not talking about Schumann here and btw Ronald Mallett, Professor at the University of Connecticut, is thinking that time could be warped.So again, the time around the collectors is warped, now what?

doesn't gravity have something to do with a radial field?

Gravity affects time/space.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 24, 2009, 01:13:54 AM
So again, the time around the collectors is warped, now what?

Well, now "things" can easily become superluminal.

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 24, 2009, 01:23:23 AM
PS RODIN ALREADY DID THE MATH ....   :o

ist, not sure about any mag field bias (earth field included) giving any free lunch, but then we´re all just pretty much guessing at the moment, so it may be part of the puzzle?

3,6,9 back at you ;) I´ve watched rodins youtube vid series twice, great stuff, heady stuff! He´s definitely onto something, I can´t get my head round it all but what he´s uncovered seems more than coincidence as it all fits together so perfectly and also ties in with many symbols found in cultures throughout history, all very profound!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 01:23:37 AM
Well, now "things" can easily become superluminal.

.99

Wrong.. Things can't easily become super luminal.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 24, 2009, 03:28:38 AM
can i ask how old is ra's Caduceus coil staff

 ;) :D ;D ;)

and yes it works with both the above and the below .....   ;)

then we can ask how old ISIS'S WAND IS .....

hummmmmmm


0000ooooo  yea thats right they hold in there hands ... 


the D.O.T.U

 ;)

STONES ON THERE SHOCK  RA'S TOOO ..... HUMMM TUNED STONES IN THE STAFFS... 

YIKES

LOL

HUMMMMMMMM


MAGIC ....  I GUESS ...  :D :D :D :D

IST

LOOKS ALMOST FULL CIRCLE ...  LOL  360 DEG ....

LOL   HOW TESLA IS THIS  ;) :D :D ;)   OF COURSE I KNOW WHERE MY RESERCH GOES ...  ;)

DO YOU KNOW WHY ... ?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 03:56:45 AM
Wholy crap, I wish I could moderate this thread..  Every other post would have to be deleted.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2009, 03:58:19 AM
Wrong.. Things can't easily become super luminal.

With compressed time you can "run with gain".   "How" doesn't matter.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 24, 2009, 04:07:56 AM
Wholy crap, I wish I could moderate this thread..  Every other post would have to be deleted.

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Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 04:50:18 AM
With compressed time you can "run with gain".   "How" doesn't matter.


Compressed time?  Is this something you just made up?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 24, 2009, 05:02:03 AM

Compressed time?  Is this something you just made up?

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Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 05:20:15 AM
Wrong.. Things can't easily become super luminal.

Knock Knock... Anybody home?

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4470/33/40/318
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28606

Remember... Everything is relative. It is thought by many that even relative superluminal current speed can create the results of theorized superluminal current.

At least one university in Mexico and another in Greenland have demonstrated time distortion with rotating radial magnetic fields. The link to the paper from Mexico evaporated a few days after it was posted. The prof in Greenland dropped of the map after months of ridicule.

Ohms law isn't just I, E and R. T (Time) must be considered also. If you could pump 100ma into a wave .10 seconds long then have it appear, relative to the rest of the circuit as 1 second long you would have more joules out than in.

It is done with lasers. The light beam can take several minutes to traverse a few inches. Think what could be done if electric current could do the same.

The part that seems impossible is proving it beyond viewing it with your own eyes. Any attempt to measure results in no shift at all. I stopped playing with slowing watches down because I could only conclude the whole thing was a perceptual distortion caused by the intense magnetics.

If it wasn't just me microwaving my own visual cortex then the time distortion is a definite solution.

It is clear to me that 'current flow' is not a straight path down the wire. No, I'm not talking about drift current. The path must be helical. If so that current, under perfect conditions, will take the same time to go from A to B in a straight line as if it was going in a straight line. So how fast is it really moving? Between 1.414c and 1.625c. (measurements from so-called professionals). I think the individual speed depends upon the pitch of the helical path.

To put it simply: Increase the time of energy travel. The power in any wave is calculated by the cross section of that wave. It certainly slows a watch down.

Oh! Sorry. I suppose I should be moderated into your sub-luminal frame.
 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2009, 05:32:51 AM

Compressed time?  Is this something you just made up?

yep - just made it up - kind of a play on words, bastardized and compressed.

You used the term "warped":

I'm not talking about Schumann here and btw Ronald Mallett, Professor at the University of Connecticut, is thinking that time could be warped.So again, the time around the collectors is warped, now what?

Distortion is a better term.  Thanks BEP.

Of course, whether or not time varies is not important to the task at hand - is it?  One does not need to know the intricate details to make it work.



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 05:41:06 AM
BTW:

My thoughts on the solution for building a TPU that didn't care about right-side up and upside-down:

He added an on-board reference. Another collector, most likely two. The rotation direction was still important but only to the polarity of the output.

The reason the earliest ones only worked right-side up:

The reference was the magnetic field of the Earth, not gravity. Hasn't anyone done experiments with static magnetic fields in-motion within the magnetic field of the Earth?

I have the strong feeling the 'gyroscopic action' was not that simple. It would have been more like 'station keeping'. It would not have only resisted changes in pitch and yaw. It should have resisted horizontal and vertical movement, as well.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 05:48:23 AM
Knock Knock... Anybody home?

BEP,

Nice Goggle-Foo skills you got there....

Wrong.. Things can't easily become super luminal.


Maybe you can explain how to easily make an X-shaped wave travel at super luminal speeds?  Or maybe you can explain to me what an X-shaped wave is (This is new to me)?

Quote
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4470/33/40/318
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28606
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 05:53:58 AM
yep - just made it up - kind of a play on words, bastardized and compressed.

You used the term "warped":

Distortion is a better term.  Thanks BEP.


'Warped' probably fits the TPU action better.

Quote

Of course, whether or not time varies is not important to the task at hand - is it?  One does not need to know the intricate details to make it work.


Nope. It doesn't matter because time always wins out. It may slip for a short 'time' relative to the rest but it always wins. Einstein was definitely wrong using the twins and light speed travel example. No matter how fast the speeding twin travels or how long - when he steps out of his near-light speed craft - all is right back in sync again. So I avoid conversations about time travel and anti-gravity. To me, they are jokes.

Time viewing may become possible.

Anti-gravity probably does exist. It'll never be usable.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
BEP,

Nice Goggle-Foo skills you got there....


Maybe you can explain how to easily make an X-shaped wave travel at super luminal speeds?  Or maybe you can explain to me what an X-shaped wave is (This is new to me)?

An X-Shaped wave has a real-world existence already. NASA calls it 'magnetic reconnection'. I doubt the pin-heads have made the connection  :D

You don't need to build an X-shaped wave to make a wave faster than c. Head-on collisions are just easier for most to understand.

>>>>

Oh! BTW: An X-shaped wave wouldn't travel faster than c. The X shape allows for disconnection then reconnection. Faster than c travel happens to anything in the way of the reconnection, sometimes called a 'slap' or 'clap'.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 06:35:58 AM
An X-Shaped wave has a real-world existence already. NASA calls it 'magnetic reconnection'. I doubt the pin-heads have made the connection  :D

You don't need to build an X-shaped wave to make a wave faster than c. Head-on collisions are just easier for most to understand.

>>>>

Oh! BTW: An X-shaped wave wouldn't travel faster than c. The X shape allows for disconnection then reconnection. Faster than c travel happens to anything in the way of the reconnection, sometimes called a 'slap' or 'clap'.

Well, I was hoping you'd answer my questions   :D...    But a good reference will work.  Do you have a reference for the above?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 07:20:56 AM
Well, I was hoping you'd answer my questions   :D...    But a good reference will work.  Do you have a reference for the above?

Oh. One of those.  ;)

Yes I do. One of them is mine.

---------------

This is not one but probably more relevant to a TPU....

http://www.physorg.com/news88249076.html
Quote
Past experiments have demonstrated that the group velocities of other materials’ components—such as optical, microwave, and electrical pulses—can exceed the speed of light. But while the individual spectral components of these pulses have velocities very close to c, the components of sound waves are almost six orders of magnitude slower than light (compare 340 m/s to 300,000,000 m/s).

“All of the interest in fast (and slow) wave velocity for all types of waves (optical, electrical, and acoustic) was initially to gain a fundamental understanding of the characteristics of wave propagation,” Robertson told PhysOrg.com. “Phase manipulation can change the phase relationship between these materials’ components. Using sound to create a group velocity that exceeds the speed of light is significant here because it dramatically illustrates this point, due to the large difference between the speeds of sound and light.”

The experiment was conducted by two undergrads, an area high school teacher and two high school students, who received funding by an NSF STEP (Science, technology, engineering, math Talent Enhancement Program) grant. The grant aims to increase recruitment and retention of students to these subjects.

In their experiment, the researchers achieved superluminal sound velocity by rephasing the spectral components of the sound pulses, which later recombine to form an identical-looking part of the pulse much further along within the pulse. So it’s not the actual sound waves that exceed c, but the waves’ “group velocity,” or the “length of the sample divided by the time taken for the peak of a pulse to traverse the sample.”

“The sound-faster-than-light result will not be a surprise to the folks who work closely in this area because they recognize that the group velocity (the velocity that the peak of a pulse moves) is not merely connected to the velocity of all of the frequencies that superpose to create that pulse,” explained Robertson, “but rather to the manner in which a material or a filter changes the phase relationship between these components. By appropriate phase manipulation (rephasing) the group velocity can be increased or decreased.”

Like I said.... Everything is relative.

On the references relating to X waves.... I read about them in a library about 25 years ago. The magnetic reconnection is very recent. Google it. They accepted PayPal. There we three theories last count. I doubt a single one of the theorists have every smacked crossing magnetic fields together.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 24, 2009, 08:06:30 AM
mmmkay... 

I'm starting see  why there are over 20k TPU related posts on this site,  and so few  productive/informative discussions.

Farrah Day,

Good Luck!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Goat on June 24, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
I've been watching and keeping out of this subject for a very long time in order to analyze people's progress without intervention.

Did anyone ever produce any physical verifiable proof that the TPU is achievable in construction and can light even a 1 Watt lamp given a smaller Watt input? 

The suspense is killing me!  If anyone in the last 20K posts has found something even close to this please let me know.

Last year I witnessed a live UFO and ever since then my core life beliefs have been really been badly shaken...I believe in just about anything you could throw at me after seeing that...LOL...but in the end I'm afraid I need to see things to believe it...show me Watts in vs Watts out and I'll take notice.

So if anyone has any TPU that can produce electricity please let us know otherwise I will continue to listen and not really believe  :P

Regards,
Paul 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 24, 2009, 12:49:08 PM
Personally I think it would be a good idea to keep an open mind as to the energy source of a TPU, as we are all only suggesting theories at present - any one of which may apply in full or part... or not at all.  It may well be easier to disprove certain theories when a TPU is up and running, than trying to prove theories on paper beforehand.

Like you stated in the past Newbie, at quantum level physics as we know it does not necessarily apply, as things appear to become a little 'weird'. And, let's face it, quantum theory and quantum mechanics are relatively new disciplines of science with much yet to be discovered and much more yet to be understood.

BEP, that link you provided is interesting, but hard to assimilate. They appear to be getting something out EVEN before they put something in. I suspect that something is not right here as surely the issue is no longer speed but time. Aren't they effectively seeing an event which has not yet occured? 

On a different note, has anyone any views on why 3 collector coils are used by SM. Is it simply to allow different configurations of ouput voltage, or is there a more fundamental reason behind this?

GK, by way of a follow on from Goaties thread above, I see you have numerous U-tube videos and a couple of threads a mile long. However, I was wondering if you can tell me whether or not you have been able to replicate SM's effect with your TPU device... without me having to trawl through hundreds of pages to find the answer.

Have you been able to power up a few mains light bulbs from your TPU?  Is your collector coil delivering more power than your control coils are feeding it?

A simple answer would be appreciated. 

No need for proof of workings, cryptic messages or poetry, but you can elaborate on a simple 'yes' or 'no' - just thinking ahead.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
A handful of folks have demonstrated the lighting of lamps from the output of a TPU attempt.

No one has provided proof of more out than in. Certainly, none has been provided above info from SM.

There is no list of instructions that will definitely lead anyone to a working TPU.

Solutions to some of the working aspects have been offered but none can be proven as part of a TPU until someone builds a working TPU and incorporates those solutions.

Sorry about being so wordy. I get that way when away from the bench. Soon, I'll be home again and you won't hear from me for long periods.

One last "flight of fancy?"

Whether you can understand it or not - velocity is a key factor in any device or the math associated with it. In some cases 'group velocity' can replace velocity.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 24, 2009, 05:07:09 PM
 :)

I have just cleaned the garden stuff, and i'm now sitting in the backyard with my laptop and a nice cup of cofee, life's good  :D

What was i going to do?
Oh i was going to post something.

Steven Marks TPU is simple, like he said, it uses simple electronic concepts.
However when something is not well understood, it can become quite difficult.

It's like comparing a car mechanic, who knows all about automobiles, to a guy that sells vacuumcleaners, he has a certain understanding about vacuumcleaners, but pherhaps less about automobiles and vice versa.
Both devices have a motor, rotation, some electronics and etc.

Now i have always wonderd if there are vacuum cleaners that run on gasoline in stead of electricity.
But i know there are also cars that run on electricity.
I have asked a regular car mechanic about electric cars and he admitted he did not understand shit about the tech inside.
All he was familiar with was the fuel engines.

So there is a leap between these certain technologies and they can only expand their knowledge by studying and repairing these things.
Same goes with the TPU.
Steven described some easy to do experiments, and only few took the effort to do them.
Then there was another guy who also described other experiments, and again only few took the effort to do them.
The rest of the people are either going from theory to theory or they are going from theory to theory.
Like i said above, there is only one way to get answers, and that is by trying/learning.

In the end when all is well understood by the many, most people will freak out on how easy it really is, and they never thought about it but go like HEY i knew that all along.....I was just thinking it had to be more complicated...

And so the story continues  :)

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 24, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
Quote
It'll never be usable.

This is the statement that annihilates dreams and as long as this answer abounds then there is no help available.

@BEP,
No disrespect meant.

--giantkiller.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/annihilates (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/annihilates)

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 24, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
 ;) best part to make tpu
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: otto on June 24, 2009, 06:25:31 PM
Hello all,

@Marko

I can only say that I fully agree with your words!!

Otto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 24, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
NICE MAC ... 

WHATS THE TUBE # LOL


MARCO   ON WITH THE STORY ... LOL

PEACE TO ALL ...    GOT SPIN?!?!  GET TUBED !?!?!   :D

IST  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on June 24, 2009, 06:53:35 PM
@all

That tube looks like it is one ez 81 rectifier tube ...

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 24, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
Pictures of thermionic valves?? What's that all about... you show me your valve and I'll show you mine?

To reiterate my earlier post to GK just in case it was overlooked rather than simply ignored:

GK, by way of a follow on from Goaties thread above, I see you have numerous U-tube videos and a couple of threads a mile long. However, I was wondering if you can tell me whether or not you have been able to replicate SM's effect with your TPU device... without me having to trawl through hundreds of pages to find the answer.

Have you been able to power up a few mains light bulbs from your TPU?  Is your collector coil delivering more power than your control coils are feeding it?

A simple answer would be appreciated. 

No need for proof of workings, cryptic messages or poetry, but you can elaborate on a simple 'yes' or 'no' - just thinking ahead.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 24, 2009, 07:18:50 PM
@GK

No disrespect taken. My realization dashed some dreams of mine, as well. Then I realized they were only warped a bit. But so are most of my ideas  ;D

@[marco]

I know my posts don't look like it but I must agree. There will be no sparks until folks start smacking rocks together. (The last sentence is not cryptic. It means exactly what it says.) My theories have finished forming, some time ago. It has been time to prove or disprove for several months now. One step at a time.

Yes, I did the experiments with the tubes, transformers and single piece of wire and a magnet. The results are the basis for my theory of operation.

So far I've had little more than what SM said would happen. Lots of sparks, heating, lighting light bulbs, burning flesh and theoretical tangents to avoid. No free energy.


I'm on the move now. Back on the bench in a few hours  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: rensseak on June 24, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
;) best part to make tpu

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wings on June 24, 2009, 08:44:46 PM
Electrons history 1897...

http://www.aip.org/history/electron/jjsound.htm

http://www.aip.org/history/electron/jjrays.htm

http://www.aip.org/history/electron/jjlegacy.htm


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 24, 2009, 08:45:10 PM
With compressed time you can "run with gain".   "How" doesn't matter.

Agreed, with temporal manipulation pretty much any system can be made to run with gain, not just electronic but mechanical also. If we can generate a localised timewarp with less energy than we can harvest as a result of it then things are looking good. Provided the energy exchange mechanism that your influencing is quite power dense then the numbers should come good. That's why I think influincing an LC oscillation might be a goer, as most know in an LC tank of moderate size you can establish very large power transfers at resonance for very little cost. Amp that by just 10% and you're talking real power.

edit:
to make any system run with gain then a correctly timed oscillating temporal gradient needs to be established across the system, i.e. influence one part of the system more than the other. If the whole system is influenced the same then no magic will happen.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Not sure what "tsl" is getting at with the "time warp" stuff.  As I wrote above, compressed time was sort of a play on words.

Tsl may be referring to the circumventing of the conservation laws or changing the rate of entropy in the system.

"How" is more practical to build a device.  "Why" aides in building theories.



Agreed, with temporal manipulation pretty much any system can be made to run with gain, not just electronic but mechanical also. If we can generate a localised timewarp with less energy than we can harvest as a result of it then things are looking good. Provided the energy exchange mechanism that your influencing is quite power dense then the numbers should come good. That's why I think influincing an LC oscillation might be a goer, as most know in an LC tank of moderate size you can establish very large power transfers at resonance for very little cost. Amp that by just 10% and you're talking real power.

edit:
to make any system run with gain then a correctly timed oscillating temporal gradient needs to be established across the system, i.e. influence one part of the system more than the other. If the whole system is influenced the same then no magic will happen.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 24, 2009, 11:15:47 PM
@FD,
Quote
So far I've had little more than what SM said would happen. Lots of sparks, heating, lighting light bulbs, burning flesh and theoretical tangents to avoid. No free energy.

I don't consider this a success story...

Let me add one: I know what a lightbulb feels like when the wattage printed on the glass has nothing to do with when the filament snaps due to resonant shockwave Free Clue! application. Try that on your wireless router and tell me what lights up. Uh, you get one guess.
I saw the light in ways that don't fit on a camera from experimenting Free Clue!. I now see here that no experimentation is prominent. Just pictures. In a tube the energy doesn't flow through a solid conductor Free Clue!. It flows through space. Free Clue!
Can you explain the orb in the TPU sings #6 @ :48? I didn't rig this. It was later pointed out to me. With the VLC codec you can see 3 of them. I have a theory(cringe!). But what is seen cannot be explained by present day mental modus operandi... Free Clue! But there it is plain as day. It was done with sound. Maybe the Bose speaker is truly a pure generating device. After all it is ceramic Free Clue!.

Due to experimentation I have come to the conclusion that the experiences from experimenting are far more educational than wondering about what I can and can't do. Since only pictures deem as profit, I would like to see some more. I am not asking for how many ways we can weld a tool to a battery or bar-b-que oneself. Just something beyond shelf items. Marco's dancing magnets Free Clue! are immortal. The rest should aspire to create such great demos. Reproduce something Tesla, Keely, Brown, or Naudin did if the TPU is too vague. Things are spelled out for everyone Free Clue!.
The camp of failure is full of those that only believe with their eyes and not what one can do with application of the mind. You are asking for the standard fare of parlor tricks. Instead of plowing the same row twice I decided to go after what the Masters talk about. I succeeded Free Clue!. That doesn't make me better than others. It makes me aspire to understand and stand on the shoulders of those greater than me. Everyone gets the invitation very few go in.
Is lighting a light the greatest result you can think of? It is basically fire. Make something ring Free Clue! for a change. Patents are riddled with this Free Clue! aspect of new technology. Yet everybody wants fire. Pretty prehistoric if you ask me Free Clue!.

Motion of any nature whatsoever in this universe is impossible without an accompanying polarization. Walter Russell.

You still got your heels dug in? Then you will remain on the ground. The rest of the universe sees us as a self annihilating ant hill. Would you land here? Any arguments?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 12:04:24 AM
GK, you never fail to amaze me.

I had a feeling that asking for a simple coherent answer to a simple coherent question might be simply asking just too much from you.

Actually, in hindsight, a simple 'No', would have sufficed. ::)

I just don't know what's going on here. I do know however that I've got some serious concerns about the mental stability of some of you boys... is there a therapist in the room?

I mean we have some of you posting pin-ups of valves, some of you talking StarTrek (I'm surprised no one has mention dilithium crystals yet), some of you talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing, all this cloak and dagger cryptic nonsense, and oh yes, the ist bloke who is quite obviously trying to get the record for the highest number of stupid and pointless posts. 

What a motley crew.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
I don't consider this a success story...

Oh, I do. Some very interesting things have been learned.

For @Yucca, here is a bit of information I've been familiar with for a while. It is put more in context with a TPU than what I use it on.

Please note the polar view of the Earth and the two clocks. One clock is at sea level and the other one mile directly above it. They are atomic clocks. Supposedly, due to frame dragging (time distortion) The mile high clock will run faster than the water logged clock by about 5 us per year. That isn't much. To make a bigger difference the Earth would need to rotate faster, gain more mass and the distance between the clocks could be increased. Theoretically, a bigger difference in time potential (distortion) could be had by making one clock go East and the other West. I'm pretty sure this has and is being done.

Now the second pic: The colors are coordinated with the Earth view. What I'm showing is a cross-section of my theoretical TPU. The green outer windings are the lamp cord. Both sets of blue and red band (collector) are one continuous piece of metal. The top set is going East. The bottom set West. Each set is two turns.

The distance between blue and red is hard to increase so instead we increase the speed of current (more gravity well). Why are the two sets at different orientations, you might ask?

There are two rotating fields. The CCs create the radial one pinned on the axis of the TPU. Each set of loops creates a field as load increases duplicating the distortion effect on the other set.

Now you folks can say I'm nuts. Be my guest. This doesn't work in my TPU yet but the concept is proven to me elsewhere.

What a motley crew.

Thank You!  ;D

Just remember - You did ask for it.

Go ahead and blow off my TD. There is a little bit of this going on in every multi-turn coil.

If you just want to know 'how to do it' then you must figure 'how it works'. The above is conventional Einstein hoopla using terminology I completely disagree with just for you friends here!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 12:31:46 AM
BEP

I assume you are refering to Gravitational Time Dilation. And yes, I think NASA have found discrepancies between two atomic clocks flown in opposite directions around the world, but trying to link this in with the workings of a TPU seems a bit tenuous to me.  But... who knows, eh.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2009, 12:49:26 AM
BEP

I assume you are refering to Gravitational Time Dilation. And yes, I think NASA have found discrepancies between two atomic clocks flown in opposite directions around the world, but trying to link this in with the workings of a TPU seems a bit tenuous to me.  But... who knows, eh.


All we need are a few ps.

>>Edit: Just ran the numbers again. With the parameters of my current coil I will need an in/out dilation of about 70 ms. - Doable. <<

<Extraneous trouble causing cognitive load removed>

FWIW: I still have doubts about this device being this complicated. I still think a correct design would have a closed loop collector. But, this does provide a difference in potential from one end of the loop to the other.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 01:52:29 AM
here is a picture .... 

from a few years back ..  ;)

mark holds in his hands what ??   other than the light bulb...

lol lol

where is the transmitter.... ?   ha!    looks like a reciever coil .....

ist!! 

@ gk ...  lol   could it be a copper pipe ...  pumping za eathiser ..... lol  :D

i bet it is high freq ...  hence why he is not eletrocuted   tuned mass to mass   YIKES...

on a silver platter ......  :P

if i catch you comeing back my way im gonna serve it to you .......

white stripes did you turn yours on yet ...... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j7huh5Egew
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 25, 2009, 02:25:13 AM
to  Farrah day 
You are beginning to understand that this forum is crazy just like I have
lot of bs,egos and  insanity.Heres how I view this place imagine a field with lot of chickens.
Some of the chickens are real smart, there at the top of the picking order,then theres the
hidden SM chicken thats also here.In the middle are ,"the I want to  understand chickens(thats you and me and others)"
and the bottom are the idiot,star trek, just plain stupid chickens,and mentally ill chickens.
Every chicken throws chicken  feed,the bottom throw at random,the middle don't know much ,so throw very little.
The top smart chickens throw chicken feed in a sophisticated manner,the SM chicken looks at what the direction is
and throws chicken feed  to enforce a specific motion.All chickens rush to get the chicken feed,
when the camera pans back you see that all the chickens are moving in a circle.Some chickens after a time realize that
there moving in a circle and leave.But it doesn't matter other chickens come in and the circle continues.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on June 25, 2009, 02:47:19 AM
Power unlimited
Sounds like
CHICKEN SHIT[your opinion]
But thats just my opinion
Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: poynt99 on June 25, 2009, 02:51:40 AM
 :D Brilliant!

Yes Farrah, welcome to the insanity.

There are very few you will get a straight answer from, and quite often they are the ones with the least to offer anyway, so don't fret too much about it.

.99
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 25, 2009, 03:10:10 AM
@Bep,

Thanks for sharing the idea, nice picture.

I know you can sequence coils quadrature fashion and for along time I have been convinced that the field would not be moving, just as the lights on a string of chasing disco lights would not be physically moving.

However I have been reading that current Maxwellian EE theory is only a shadow of the truth, Hamiltons quaternions are said to reveal the whole truth and these describe space itself as being a massless quaternion structure, call it aether if you will. Linked to matter in a similar way as air is to an object and that is through a friction like mechanism, dragging if you will.

The field aspect that maxwell eqns misses out is the temporal field (time field). From an outside observers perspective though, manipulation of the temporal field on some space would probably look like a manipulation of that spaces density, it would probably even have a slightly different refractive index to light?

Anyway... So if aether as described by quaternion eqns is true then perhaps it (aether) could be accelerated to relativistic speeds in a virtual instant by modest power... Using pinch like fields to squeeze envelopes of aether like pumpkin seeds (only not with hard boundaries like seeds more like clouds with slightly higher density in the middle). Get those cloud packets moving at relativistic speeds and then interact with the timewarp using normal elctronics to get a free ride. Is this a reasonable interpretation of your idea?

RE quaternion theory of space, this doc is one of the more palatable ones I´ve found, but I will say now with all honesty it will take me ALOT more time to understand it as fully as I would like:

 http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/math-ph/pdf/0307/0307038v1.pdf
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2009, 04:23:25 AM
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Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 25, 2009, 04:24:01 AM
Farrah Day,

Try your ignore list, works like a champ.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 06:25:02 AM

Good experiment is to fill a plastic thimble with water - sprinkle some pepper on the surface of the water.
Set the thimble on a small neo.
Hold individual stiff bare wires to a AA battery.
Put the other end of one wire in the center of the water.
Put the other end of the other wire in the water but against the edge of the thimble.

You should see the water rotate. No quadrature coil firing there!

We overcomplicate things all the time. I am really bad at that.

 ;)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 07:38:41 AM
the question is then why not how .....

the answer is simple .... 

water is 3rd  freq of water resonance?   i forget ...lol

mass its all bout mass ...

mass of the earth hummmmmmmm 

there are more brains out there .... 

i know the answer to the riddle ....

there is an relation ship by mass and harmonics of the earths make up

how much water is on the plannet  why does a silica transistor amp... 

i could go on for 10 lifetimes ... but it is not my job.....

ist!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: zapnic on June 25, 2009, 07:41:44 AM
okey i was wrong its not brake but look at this
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=JiIBAAAAEBAJ&dq=Permanent+magnet+twister
or this
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=_Q8ZAAAAEBAJ&dq=Chiron+magnet+twister

cool "accelerate electrons"
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
What??

Quote
the question is then why not how .....

the answer is simple .... 

water is 3rd  freq of water resonance?   i forget ...lol


What is your problem matey?

'The question is then why not how ....'  ?? For crying out loud... who's withholding this guy's medication?

'Water is the 3rd freq of water resonance?'  What weird world are you living in??

You obviously have mental issues, but why do you insist on continually disrupting threads with your meaningless gibbersish?

I'm sure the other folks have learned to simply ignore you by now, but I find the utter nonsense you spout is really irritating. Why don't you grow up or go away and get your head looked at. If you were a pet of mine I'd have had you put to sleep long ago!

There seems to be a couple of people contending for the title of 'The Most Stupid and Annoying Person', but my money's on you. What a Muppet.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 10:32:42 AM
What??

You obviously have mental issues, but why do you insist on continually disrupting threads with your meaningless gibbersish?


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
Just to get things back on topic.

In a letter to Lindsay Mannix (who I'd assumed to be a woman as 'Lindsay' is much more commonly asigned to females here in England), SM mentions IC's.

So does he use a small IC circuit in his TPUs or is this misinfo?

His TPUs look very simple and even if he was using an IC cct, it would have to be very small and very simple.

Now we have people talking about pulsing 3 control coils with different signals and all sorts of complex waveforms, but what if it is simply one signal applied to the control coils that are in fact all wired in series.  This would make things a lot simpler.

I've been unable to find any info on the results of applying a signal to multiple inductors in series, other than descriptions of the overall inductance of the cct. What I'm curious about is the signal phase across each.

As the current flows, it would see one inductor at a time, so surely this would create a natural signal phase difference between each series inductor as each inturn begins to charge and discharge at different times.

I believe this would only work if distinctively separate coils are used, so that they do not act as one large coil charging and discharging, and they are adequately spaced in order that they are not coupled via any mutual inductance. 

This is just to say that we might be making things more difficult for ourselves than need be.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 02:32:25 PM
If you read the complete compilation i have made you will see that he first discoverd the effect with vacuum tubes, and then switched over to solid state controlling circuits.

Furthermore you can read the info about how he first discoverd the effect when he was designing what would become his 3D spatial sound system.
He was using double voice coiled speakers and he applied slightly out of phase/delayed signals to the two coils, and noticed an unusual spike on the spectrum analyzer which was some sort of incomming energy.

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 02:39:35 PM
Marco

Where is your complete compilation?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 25, 2009, 02:49:52 PM
 :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 04:19:17 PM
i must just kick my feet up and lauch at you  ;D

lol

 ;)

now do tell ME why you aint got some thing THAT WORKS ...

well your at it ...  lol 

i could give you a list of things to explain but honestly ... 

you cant do it so...   go fish

have fun and watch for the snaggs ... 

btw sm tpu is a toy  all of thease inventors from the past have all used teslas lil secreat ...


WAKE UP ...  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.0   7 HUNDRED PLUS PAGES  ENJOY

 :P

 




Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 25, 2009, 05:00:06 PM
To Farrah day

Your making the same mistake I made don't believe everything SM says
ask your self this question why in the hell would SM give
you information how to build the tpu.The reason that we know  about SM or
 the tpu at all is someone close to him posted the video tapes,to punish him, that were intended to lure in investors
they were not for public viewing.After he found out that the videos were posted then
he wrote the letters later  as damage control,there done to mislead you.
The people here simply go in circles as you will find out.
goto this page download the radio interview with Jack durban,theres a question and answer
in the second half,a few people from here are on it.Jack Durban is an electronic engineer that worked with SM was hired by SM
seen the big tpu,very long story.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Article:Jack_Durban%27s_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 05:37:53 PM
On the contrary PU, I'm sceptical about everything I read on these forums, which is why I was hoping to converse with people that had first hand experience. People who had actually tried to replicate a SM TPU or at least built some form of TPU, and whom were willing to share their findings, build design, results, etc.

Oh yes PU, I have more than a healthy measure of sceptiscm and I'm also blessed with quite a good nose for bullshit.   

That said, you've got to start from somewhere.

Quote from Inexplicably Stupid:
Quote
i must just kick my feet up and lauch at you 

Yeh, whatever. Over 3000 posts of iliterate and utter giberish... you must be really proud of yourself!!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 25, 2009, 09:19:30 PM
On the contrary PU, I'm sceptical about everything I read on these forums, which is why I was hoping to converse with people that had first hand experience. People who had actually tried to replicate a SM TPU or at least built some form of TPU, and whom were willing to share their findings, build design, results, etc.

Oh yes PU, I have more than a healthy measure of sceptiscm and I'm also blessed with quite a good nose for bullshit.   

That said, you've got to start from somewhere.

Quote from Inexplicably Stupid:
Yeh, whatever. Over 3000 posts of iliterate and utter giberish... you must be really proud of yourself!!

Spherics provided instructions for building a tetrahedral device that he claimed operated via the same principles as the TPU.  The thread he started is relatively short.

Why don't you start with that?  or at least the bifilar test the he describes?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 25, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
Did a quick and simple test with 3 inductors wired in series this afternoon.

I found that I did indeed get out of phase voltages when the actual signal across each inductor was put on my scope.  Simply altering the frequency altered the phase shift.

3 series inductors, 1 signal generator providing 1 signal, 3 out of phase voltages.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 25, 2009, 11:36:31 PM
nice ...  ;D

i have some really big relays ....  3 phase ac style ...  fired from 12 vdc pulse ...  maybe a fet and a freq genny ...   then make a 3 phase motor with 3 coils each  ...  phase and collect collect colllect

upon passing the engery through the motor  coils collect  like a transformer and upon colapse from all 9 coils ...  collect too   oooooo  better grab the free ride ... 

ist!


enjoy

btw what you got if you never take the power away...  a ufo....   circulating ac in 1 dirrection 

infact i have 4 of thease relays for a 36 coil ufo device ...

when you gonna wake up ?

nice job tho  :)  farrah day
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on June 26, 2009, 01:49:53 AM
Holy moly, this thread is like Alice in Wonderland, except I'd call it,,,,,,,,

Farrah in OULand. IST is like the OU Jester. IST u'z the man.

Now all you need is a Lion, a Scarecrow and a Tin Man. Maybe you will speak with the WIzard of OU. You should practice clicking your heels. lol

No, seriously though, the cryptic talk you are referring to from @otto (and others) is only part of a ritual between many older members here that are able to read between the lines.

If you or anyone else wants to do any investigative work with the videos, I suggest you download and install VirtualDubMod. Once installed open the Video menu - Filters - Add - Null Transform and use that filter to do close ups while the video is running. Really neat and powerful software. But I have done alot of all that already. lol

There is a whole load of information located on my ftp (no frills) web site located here;

http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp

Look in Software for the VirtualDubMod version I use presently or Google it for the latest version.
Look in Steven Mark section for tons of tpu stuff.
Look in Overunity.com - Forum members for some of this forums tpu and other works.
Look in Wattsups' stuff then TPU stuff also for more info.

Hope this helps.
wattsup
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 26, 2009, 03:52:52 AM
To Farrah Day:
I'm glad to know that your sceptical and have  a nose for bs,your going to need both in here,heres another thing for you to consider
What if SM is on this forum and has been since the original videos were posted,hidden as an
elder member,and adding to misdirection.Would you be able to tell who he was?
check this for your self:
Is there really any control coils at all,do tpu's use discreet oscillators
do any tpu's have  batteries.Is SM so stupid that all he knows is tube technology,yet created
all the tpu's.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 09:36:51 AM
Wattsup

Quote
No, seriously though, the cryptic talk you are referring to from @otto (and others) is only part of a ritual between many older members here that are able to read between the lines

Well I guess everyone will have their own opinion on this. The more I read, the more I get the feeling that many people are using cryptic nonsense simply in order to cover up their own ignorance. Perhaps it's not that people don't want to share info, but rather that they can't because they don't have anything to share in the first place.

Are people around here simply claiming to know more than they actually do - the evasive, incoherent and frankly bullshit responses would tend to indicate this! 

If anyone would genuinely like to collaborate on a new TPU build then please pipe up.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 26, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
To Farrah Day:
              A little bit better perspective of Jack Durban and SM the short version,when Jack Durban
did the radio interview hes goal was two things smoke out SM,
to ask him if they could work together.BY insulting him and demeaning him
he thought that would force him out of hiding if he were still alive and he would contact him.
The other goal was if he and all the other engineers with all there education could not figure out
 the tpu then maybe other people that were closer to SM low level of intelligence might figure it out
after all how hard could it be.So he came to the forum for those people,he gave  them a hi resolution video 
that he copied from a tape SM's boyfriend he  had at that time.He was on for awhile,during this time ,the
old boy friend of SM shows up at this forum,cussing out JAck DUrban.Some more  time passes
then Jack Durban gets death threat phone calls at hes home ,its SM,he posted one.
More time passes Jack Durban says hes resolved hes differences with SM,SM told JAck DUrban
that He doesn't know how the tpu works only that it does,and he can't tell him anything about it as he sold the rights. Jack Durban is here for awhile longer,then ego brusing time came,not initiated by Jack Durban,
however Jack Durban turned out to be real fierce and hes come backs were great,then the germany guy that runs this place,also started on him.
Jack Durban dropped a heavy load on him then said a few other things then left.
He returned briefly in another thread and explained hes motives for doing what he did.
SM is easly Jack Durbans equal,SM mostlikey does not have a heavy math backround,but has imagination
incredible building skills ,the power to obfuscate to a level I have never seen before,a very high level of creativity.
A spin master,an amazing ability to guess what a person will think when he sees a give thing and create that illusion.
This is how he fooled the engineers,jack durban and people here,he knows electronics real well.
You handle your self real well,your what this forum needs.Because SM's ability to  obfuscate  is so great nothing in the videos or things he has written can be trusted.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
Yes you should listen to that radio show.
 :)

http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3 (http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 26, 2009, 11:16:09 AM
ok
 i see here  and ask all you  WHAT I MEAN FOR THAT <TUBE > WWHAY TUBE  FOR WHAT  IS NEED TPU
  THAT IS THE ON EOFF THE  PARTS  OF TPU @ MK1  HMM  MADE IN CHESSLOVAKIA  I THING IS  BEST < MADE IN YUGOSLAVIA  ;)

TOMOROW I WHILL MAKE SOME TO SEE  AND I WHILL GIVE YOU HOPE TO CONTINUE  WHIT  EXPERIMENTS  <<
<
@INNOVATION  LOONG TIME NO SEE  IM ALL TIME HERE 
@MARCO YOU HAVE  NOTHING NOW  BEACOUSE  .....
I HAVVE THING  YOU ARE  OK BUT  YOU WHILL LOST IN THE END   
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 11:18:53 AM
Just to go back to something Marco said:

Quote
If you read the complete compilation i have made you will see that he first discoverd the effect with vacuum tubes, and then switched over to solid state controlling circuits.

Furthermore you can read the info about how he first discoverd the effect when he was designing what would become his 3D spatial sound system.

Well according to the Jack Durban interview the 3D spatial sound system was a complete red herring, so we can possibly disregard that entirely.

As far as tubes (or valves as we would call them) go, and as far as I can tell SM says he first noted the 'kick' from these, but they were never used in his TPUs... if that's what you were getting at? 

Jack Durban says he never saw any evidence of PCB's or any parts or tools you would associate with PCB construction, leading him to think it was all about coils and coil orientation. However, SM definitely mentions ICs in an email to Mannix, so I would assume that likely a very simple 555 timer cct is located somewhere.

Jack Durban also said something else in the interview that I found a little odd. That is that the shape of the TPU was irrelevant and that the toroid shape was simply easier to wind.  Well, I find this a little odd, because the only coils that would be easier to wind on a toroid would be what people are calling the collector coils - the so-called control coils would be a real pain-in-the-arse to wind on a toroid.  And how would he do this?

From what I can make out from the JD interview it would seem that SM fixed some form of support posts (speaker supports are mentioned) to a particle board base around which were wound the coils - if this was the case it would only be possible to wind the so-called coils!!

Are we really sure that there are 'control coils' wound at 90 degrees to these collector coils?

Also, while I'm thinking about Hartmann pipes up on the phone and mentions iron baling wire as a possible material for the collector coils, but if this was the case, I would have thought that the TPU's shown in a video being disected with a jigsaw, would be far harder to cut through than indicated.

The one thing I was hoping to get clarified was the coil orientations... are there any coils at 90 degrees to each other? But this was never brought up, so either no one thought to ask or this is taken as a given. 

I might have overlooked this as I'm pouring through so much stuff at present, but, is there anywhere that SM clearly states that there are multiple coils at 90 degres to each other?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 26, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
@HARTI
 :)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
Just to go back to something Marco said:

Well according to the Jack Durban interview the 3D spatial sound system was a complete red herring, so we can possibly disregard that entirely.


Jack Durban doesn't know shit, he should stick at designing shopping cart wheels.
It would have been better if he had looked a bit closer.
But you can believe all he is saying (which is nothing really), i don't care.

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 11:41:52 AM
 
@MARCO YOU HAVE  NOTHING NOW  BEACOUSE  .....
I HAVVE THING  YOU ARE  OK BUT  YOU WHILL LOST IN THE END

And you, go buy some more milk and bread.
And stay away from the TPU.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 26, 2009, 12:07:10 PM
to Farrah
How can you be sure that there are control coils?
If there are none then no design using control coils will work like the ones that have been made here.When i first came here i believed everything SM said untill JAck Durban said this,he lies even when he doesn't need to,so i checked the videos frame per frame,on one (lab one) he glues things that
really have no function on another there under tape,on one tape  blocks the view so you don't see its a continuous wire not 4 coils,you only have SMs word that theres control coils.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 12:42:47 PM
PU

Quote
to Farrah
How can you be sure that there are control coils?

I'm not sure about anything, hence all the questions.  Still trying desperately to sort the fact from the fiction. :)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 26, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
In all this searching for the design specs of the TPU there is one thing not considered.

It was said there were patents filed for the controls but not the coils. The control patents could be unrelated to a TPU but shown as part of another device.

Could it be no patents were filed for the coils because there was never a clear understanding of how the coils actually worked? It wouldn't be the first time a function was discovered and replicated without a true understanding of how it worked.

Just think a bit... IF the actual function was found then a patent application could be filed. This would allow the inventor to regain control of the benefits of the device sales.

Something to consider during your search. No clarity of design because there was none then or now?

Sorry about knocking your thread 'off-track'. Just took a break from the bench.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 26, 2009, 01:44:39 PM
To Farrah

Well you are almost going to have to make your own set up,however any tpu using control coils will fail.Inially i experimented with mock sets ups  since electronics is electronics ,control coils don't control nothing.A so called rotating field thats what  SM says does it,thats insane.
a suggestion build a very simple set up of your own design
check different things to see if is feasable or an obuscation .One guy here built one tpu that looked like the big tpu exactly didn't work,just like gambling
over time he spent $15,000 he was angry that it didn't work.A big tpu got stolen from the manison were it was video taped it was stolen by SMs boyfriend and others,jack durban talked about this.Funny isn;t it that they couldn't deplicate it even thou they had a working unit,that was over 10 years ago.Answer is when its off its off,there are no batteries in there doesn't need any.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
BEP

Quote
Just think a bit... IF the actual function was found then a patent application could be filed. This would allow the inventor to regain control of the benefits of the device sales.


I've no idea why only patents for the controls would be applied for, but I don't think that they would not file a patent on the whole device just because they did not fully understand its operation.  You demonstrate a working unit at a patent office, provide a little technical speil and there you have it.  People have successfully filed patents with far less proof of operation and understanding than this. Check out Stanley Meyer and the hundreds of various electrolyser patents and you will see exactly what I mean.

There is obviously no love lost between Mark and Durban, but when there is such contention between people right at the sharp end of the technology it does not bode well for us at the thick end.  Yet more disputes about who is credible and who isn't, who is providing real facts and who isn't, who is being truthful and who is bullshitting.

I thought Durban sounded genuine in the interview and is clearly intelligent, but then I've not heard SM speak, so I have no real frame of reference. Spherics clearly rates SM as a very clever man, while he clearly and seriously does not rate Durban at all. Spherics is very literate and also clearly intelligent, but then we do have to ask... who IS Spherics?

Trying to decipher everything, put it into any logical order and then make any sense of it all is quite a headache.

Oh, Spherics does say that a small oscillator cct powered by a small battery was used in order to kick start the device, which I always tended to think must be the case... but which of course rather depends on what or who you are willing to trust or believe.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 26, 2009, 04:31:57 PM
...however any tpu using control coils will fail....control coils don't control nothing.A so called rotating field thats what  SM says does it,thats insane.
...
you're so sure.could you please explain that a bit?
no offense but i don't get it.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 26, 2009, 04:57:26 PM
guys .. 

the reality of this place currently is dualality the reality shortly not far off is singularity


compleate ballance with in ...  ;D

there is only your illusion ...   if you think it is good anginst bad ...  agin it is your illusion

put yout rocks on   then you can have my work

and you will just know ...  but you first must know yourself ...  :)

ty wattsup bro   your are  a wonderful guy!!    :)

i hope enlightenment to this entire plannet ...  it is well under way ...   

just dizzy humans left round here ...  ;)

ist!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 05:30:17 PM
Does the village idiot grate on anyone elses nerves... or am I just over-sensitive?

He must have the IQ of a peanut... though that might well be doing a disservice to the humble peanut.

How do you boys put up with this retard?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 26, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
Does the village idiot grate on anyone elses nerves... or am I just over-sensitive?

He must have the IQ of a peanut... though that might well be doing a disservice to the humble peanut.

How do you boys put up with this retard?

yo bro  get tuned!! 

ill see your face oooooo soooooo sonner than you think i will  :D lol

but your sleeping ...  so of course you dont know why ...  ;)

william
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 26, 2009, 05:40:35 PM

Does the village idiot grate on anyone elses nerves... or am I just over-sensitive?



Yes me too.
He is actually the boards top two poster.
Stefan is on number one as you can see in statistics.

Stefan won't do anything about this guy because then he cannot pay his rent anymore...
Yep thats right folks, you are clicking and posting so Stefan has a roof above his head.
But he won't give a fuck about what goes on in the threads, as long as he gets his "ads" paycheck.

So farrah you are defenatly not the only one.
In fact many good fellas left this place because of IST and others.
So it's up to you to decide if you will add to this crazyness.

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 26, 2009, 05:45:26 PM
I've dealt with both these problems (excess ads, and gibberish posters)..

Ignore user:   Profile-> Modify Profile -> Personal Messaging -> Ignorelist      (works for posts too)

Ad blocker:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 (for firefox)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: CTG Labs on June 26, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Excellent feature!  I know who is going top of this list!

I've dealt with both these problems..

Ignore user:   Profile-> Modify Profile -> Personal Messaging -> Ignorelist      (works for posts too)

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 06:46:23 PM
Yeh, you mentioned that before Newbie and it completely slipped my mind.

You know I can live with the adds, they're far easier to ignore and less intrusive than this complete tosser that continually disrupts threads. I guess we know from the other forums that Hartmann is in no hurry to take out the garbage, which of course when left unchecked continues to thrive to the detriment of the forums.

Sounds like the ideal pest exterminator. Gonna check that out right now!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 26, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
complete tosser

I love english slang...... ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 26, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
Well that works a treat, thanks Newbie.

With that mindless dross removed the threads compressed a far old bit!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 26, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
FarrahDay,

I´m not sure if you´ve read the thread below as it´s not in the TPU section.

Build such a device and it may give you gyroscopic action and unexplained voltage output way above normal theoretical transformer action.

Considering it is only excited by two 90deg phased pure sin of 1 freq the anomolous higer voltage is very strange since no switching inductive kickback is happening (ala joule thief). Also because only 1 freq is involved there is no possibility of hetorodyning. Also it was not overdriven so higher freq interference was not happening. The fact he reported higher voltage is very interesting despite it being only small current.

It´s a refreshingly straight talking thread, shame the main player (room3327) had the crap hacked out of his PC and left.

Some improvements are needed, like using a core material capable of much higher freq and so higher virtual RPM.

I will be building something similar using a handwound laminated metglass and insulating film core pretty soon and slowly posting any results on said thread. I will be makng the core quite thin so I can saturate it without biasing.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6774.0
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 01:17:07 AM
To Farrah Day:
       
Be carefull not to fall into a trap, the spherics thread is SMs vehicle
to confuse and misdirect people.SM never worked with anyone he hid everything
fear that someone would steal hes secrets.
However it will give you a good view of hes thinking and mind.
Jack Durban also talked about SM being secretive and working alone.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 27, 2009, 07:58:29 AM
I find this incredibly interesting. Who knows who is twisting who.

The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago. The notched pvc coil that Marco showed. That was 1 and was duplicated by JDO300 and I. Only 2 other copies of this intensely detailed marvel exist or so we've seen. It has 24 inductors in series or 3 sets of 8.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 09:13:48 AM
Untill you can make a self sustaining unit,not tied to a power source
 only then can you claim a victory.You lack leadership, someone who is flexable,
 coherent,logical,structured and lacks ego.You have been tricked by SM,whos
been here since the beginning,setting traps
and the direction you go is in a circle.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
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To Farrah Day:
       
Be carefull not to fall into a trap, the spherics thread is SMs vehicle
to confuse and misdirect people.SM never worked with anyone he hid everything
fear that someone would steal hes secrets.
However it will give you a good view of hes thinking and mind.
Jack Durban also talked about SM being secretive and working alone.

Funny you should say this as I've recently spoke to someone off-forum about this. My concern with Spherics is that his design would appear to be totally theoretical and why would anyone attempt to build an 'unknown' design from a concept when at least it appears that the original SM device worked?  It is only logical to initially try to replicate a 'more proven' device that is shown working.  Why Spherics would only post a couple of times and then be unavailable for further discussion also concerns me.

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I find this incredibly interesting. Who knows who is twisting who.

The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago. The notched pvc coil that Marco showed. That was 1 and was duplicated by JDO300 and I. Only 2 other copies of this intensely detailed marvel exist or so we've seen. It has 24 inductors in series or 3 sets of 8.

There is more than likely a lot of misinfo on this forum, much generated through simple ignorance, but some carefully and intelligently deployed.

I have yet to confirm the SM coil layout.

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The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago.

Can you point me to this GK?

In a report by Ronald Schinzinger posted by Mannix, Schinzinger states, quote:

'It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because the inventor ended the demonstration after 1.5 hours'.

This of course flies in the face of Durbans 19 to 20 mins max operating time.

This part of Schinzinger's report I also found interesting, quote:

'After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controllor box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance'

Note, no mention of radially wound coils. From the video I've seen it is quite impossible to determine the individual coils or cut wires due to the poor quality and low definition, but one thing that does strike me is just how neat the cut is.  The neatness of cut suggests only circumferentially wound coils were cut through. If you try to cut radial coils, there would have been wires pulling out and dangling - it would have been harder to cut through and looked a lot messier. Either there are no radial coils, the coils are fixed in a hard resin, or SM avoided cutting through areas of radial coil (which would indicate in itself that radial coils, if any, were spaced apart and did not actually meet).

Not sure what this piece could mean, quote:

'February 08, 2006
I will offer something that I personally think may be important. No this is not from steven but he says it is not far off. When somebody says "coil"

think of a "circular arrangement of wires"'

I assume that was coming from Mannix, but I do wonder if it has been edited as I'm not sure what the 'important' bit is supposed to be. I mean, doesn't everyone already think of a coil as being a circular arrangement of wires?  Bizarre.

And for Grumps this, quote:

'February 11, 2006
The coil gets hot. This problem has not been resolved. It is apparently due to the windings moving.'

Now moving wires rather tends to suggest that they were not wound particularly tightly and certainly not resin encased. Which takes us back to the neatness of the cut segments and the question: Are there any radial - so-called control - coils and if so can anyone provide me with a reference to where these are shown or  discussed by SM?

But ultimately I guess, we have no way of verifying who was saying what, if what was posted was actually said, or indeed if this is not all just misinfo...
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 11:51:16 AM
o Farrah day

            The tpu that was cut up was a come on ,a ploy by Sm, notice
 that it doesn't look like the other one in the earlier part of the video.
He made this one for the express purpose to give the investors a piece,notice big lack of parts,to get them to bit.
Pay attention in the video to the box at the bottom,in the unit they cut,thats the main
unit that is the key to this device not the wiring.The deal goes like this it malfunctions,he says
i don't know whats wrong its defective,i will give you a piece of it since its no good,
if they asked for the box he would say ,
thats the control box i can only sell it to you if you buy the rights.
the investors go away and head to there engineer and ask can you figure this thing out from this part.
This is exactly what SM calculated they would do.The wiring in the piece is an obfuscation,worthless.
This  device is like one big soap opera,the wiring could be thought as an antenna of sorts
longer wire more output,higher voltage,higher current.Thats why the big tpu's put out more power,
the small ones have smaller lengths,so lower voltage,lower current,thats why the torroid shape.
I think your getting the point on misinformation here

In regards to heating it maybe have been due to load,the 1.5 hour may have been under a smaller load,the one jack durban
saw may have been under a much higher load.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 01:53:07 PM
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In regards to heating it maybe have been due to load,the 1.5 hour may have been under a smaller load,the one jack durban
saw may have been under a much higher load.

I don't know, Durban seemed pretty adamant that each and every TPU only operated for specifically 19-20 mins under any condition.

I'm sure the interviewer asked Durban at one point, what happened if the units were left running past the point they became too hot (at the point many theorise would cause catastrophic meltdown) and Durban replied that they just shut down??

I'm getting a feel for things now, and things are slowly becoming a little clearer to me.  When I first read the Spherics thread, I was quite amazed by the guys insight and apparent intelligence... but, on reviewing it numerous times I got the 'too-good-to-be-true feeling about it. It's too carefully and well-written for someone to go to that much trouble and then mysteriously disappear - it does not make sense.

When I first joined I wondered why Spherics had TPU-Elite status after only what... 2 posts?  Then I realised you get this status if Hartmann pins a thread. What, for the life of me, I can't understand is why Hartmann in his wisdom would pin the thread of someone that shows up out-of-the-blue with an unproven theoretical model and just a couple of posts to his name.  What is that all about??

Spherics stated:
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Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark

This statement I believe is very clever, it's the equivalent of the misdirection a magician employs to draw your attention to the wrong place.  If Spherics had slated Durban too much, made it look too personal, it would have been obvious to everyone that Spherics is actually SM.

So he does it in a very clever way, which subtley misdirects us and does not detract from the credibility of the post. Basically here SM maintains his composure like a true pro, which falls in line with the SM character that Durban describes.

To me now it does seem logical that:  Spherics = SM

If this is the case, then SM was clearly not here as himself to openly reveal the secrets of his TPU. Therefore it is only logical to think that in his psuedonym guise SM was here for one purpose only, and that is to provide a whole wealth of misinfo.

It might be a good idea for everyone to review their thoughts on Spherics and concentrate on the original TPU designs. I know I am.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
to farrah day
As I warned you SM power of illiusion is very powerful!
As to the differences between Jack durbans account and the other guy,I don't know,we would have to know the load exactly in each case or in one.As to it shutting down possible ,if wire gets so hot it melts that causes an open circuit.If its at the output part and if that supplies power to an oscillator,then yes it will shut down ,as to weither its a temporary shut down or totall inoperative shut down I down know.No wait I read somewhere he put in a thermal shut down device
in the big tpu to shut it down if it got too hot.Thats why it shuts down so it won't burn up.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 03:13:28 PM
Yes, a thermal shutdown device on each TPU would make sense, Durban touches on that in the interview.

Is it likely that Mannix was also SM? I ask as I found a thread started by Mannix, to which an 'Earl' very politely posted some very sensible and legitimate questions, only to have Mannix never respond.

Can I just ask again, has it actually been verified anywhere that the unit consists of collector coils around which are radially wound smaller 'control' coils?  Or is this all just speculation too?

This is rather like panning for gold, you have to sift through tonnes of worthless sludge in order to hopefully find the odd nugget.

I'm sifting, I'm sifting... no nuggets yet!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
I think maybe I will have to go about this in a different way as it seems that there may not even be any unniversally accepted fundamental coil design to work from.

If anyone knows otherwise pleeeaase speak up.

Working on the premise that the secret lies in the interaction of magnetic fields, the question I guess is: What exactly are we trying to achieve?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 27, 2009, 03:40:01 PM
Untill you can make a self sustaining unit,not tied to a power source
 only then can you claim a victory.You lack leadership, someone who is flexable,
 coherent,logical,structured and lacks ego.You have been tricked by SM,whos
been here since the beginning,setting traps
and the direction you go is in a circle.

are you sure he's here?
i wish he were here...
so SM pm me/us the plans and let's bring this whole circus to an end  :-*
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 27, 2009, 03:40:56 PM
Working on the premise that the secret lies in the interaction of magnetic fields, the question I guess is: What exactly are we trying to achieve?

May I suggest removing the word 'magnetic' from the above thought?

Looking at this from a magnetic only perspective has proved to be bad for most working on this.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 27, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
are you sure he's here?

I think he is here!

I think it is @PU   ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
To Farrah Day
to my knowledge except for the mannix letters and the fact that
 the open tpu in the video has
control windings four when you examine them you
 will find there is one single winding,Its another SM trick,its not a winding,ha ha
 the tpu in the lab setting he glued four wires to make it seem that it had control coils
this is all an illusion to make you think theres control coils.
the other units are covered so you can't tell anything.
I don't know if you have this.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
S ::) ::)ms I may have to  revise my estimate of false idenities SM has here to 2 or more :o
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 27, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
To Farrah day
Wrong file heres the #2 report,note the kind of power this device can really output,does that sound like power line or the earths magnetic field,he pops a 50 amp fuse
Then ask this question how close is anyone to building one here.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on June 27, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
To Farrah Day
to my knowledge except for the mannix letters and the fact that
 the open tpu in the video has
control windings four when you examine them you
 will find there is one single winding,Its another SM trick,its not a winding,ha ha
 the tpu in the lab setting he glued four wires to make it seem that it had control coils
this is all an illusion to make you think theres control coils.
the other units are covered so you can't tell anything.
I don't know if you have this.

Wrong on both counts. Keep going.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 27, 2009, 04:25:08 PM
whats this ... 

hummmmmm

ist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTcmuGdLCU   :P
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 27, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
May I suggest removing the word 'magnetic' from the above thought?

Looking at this from a magnetic only perspective has proved to be bad for most working on this.

Double Ditto
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 05:31:20 PM
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May I suggest removing the word 'magnetic' from the above thought?

You may well suggest it BEP, but magnetic fields would seem to be one of the only things we can be sure are interacting. Out of curiousity what do you suggest I replace 'magnetic' with?

And Grumps, some time back you said the Spherics design might be the place to start, yet Spherics talks about the effect of producing one magnetic field inside another. So, please elaborate on 'Double ditto'.

Wattsup, would you kindly point me to where we have a first hand description of SM's coil layout. It would afterall be nice to get just one thing unequivocally substantiated around here.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 27, 2009, 05:37:32 PM
Some improvements are needed, like using a core material capable of much higher freq and so higher virtual RPM.
what about air as a core?there is a solution also for dealing with the fields that would be not contained and that's related to the topic here. :P
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 27, 2009, 06:00:08 PM
You may well suggest it BEP, but magnetic fields would seem to be one of the only things we can be sure are interacting. Out of curiousity what do you suggest I replace 'magnetic' with?

It is my strong belief that all fields, including temporal, are different perspectives of the same thing. Electric and magnetic are commonly thought of as the same thing as viewed from different frames.

The biggest mistake I see folks making is saying they are working with the magnetic and only measuring the electric. Are they assuming what is going on with the magnetic?

If you wish to stick with magnetic only then consider measuring the magnetic only.

Regardless, I can assure you this is not a 2D universe.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 27, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
what about air as a core?there is a solution also for dealing with the fields that would be not contained and that's related to the topic here. :P

Air core is VERY easy to saturate and handles very high freq, agreed, but maybe too easy, in air core you will get mostly EM radiation. I think maybe the answer is a subtle blend of inductive and EM action, that's why I plan to build a core that can be saturated so a mix of inductive and EM action can be combined. When you saturate a metalic core you will then overflow into the surrounding aircore. I have a feeling both are needed. That's why the core I will experiment with will be metglass and thin paper (masking tape) laminations. The paper will be pretty close to aircore.

p.s. what does the tongue sticky out smilie mean  :P? Call me thick but I've never worked that one out? byeeee!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 27, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
I think in the earliest TPUs it was an attempt to reverse transformer function.

The core was copper and the windings were iron. If you could get the magnetic to flow similar to electric current you could create the correct mag field around the core/wire loop just as if you put a current in that wire loop.

Wouldn't that form also cause an anti-Lenz result?

Face it.... The universe is reciprocal.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 27, 2009, 06:13:03 PM
love ya ist. see you on the other side bro!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 06:17:03 PM
BEP, maybe it's just me, but I find it rather odd that you'd rather dismiss the interaction of magnetic fields as playing a crucial part in the workings of a TPU, when that is the one thing the coils will certainly be producing. I fail to see the logic in your post.

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Regardless, I can assure you this is not a 2D universe.

Are you saying that you think magnetic fields are 2-dimensional? Or is this just humour you've picked up from Grumps?  :)

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The core was copper and the windings were iron

How do you know this BEP? Where is there a reference to this?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 27, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
BEP,

By temporal did you mean  casmir?  Or gravity?     "temporal force" is more of a philosophical term  that doesn't have much meaning.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
Yucca
Yes, I'm in the process of reading that thread and the one started by Room3327. What I have gleaned so far is that Room3327 was an intelligent and extremely level-headed person and a valuable asset, and it's a shame he's not still around.

As usual though intelligence and common sense was having to compete heavily with far-out theorising, single-minded SM worshippers and plain old ignorance. Unlike many around here, Room3327 was certainly one of the guys you could have a straight-talking and intelligent discussion with.

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Even a weak magnetic field such as the Earth's can be made to produce usable energy if you have a long enough wire or you MOVE THE WIRE FASTER. In Tesla's converter a weak magnetic field can generate a lot of energy if it is MOVED FAST ENOUGH.  By moving the magnetic field instead of moving the wire, power is still generated just the same.  Tesla figured out that moving the magnetic field did not necessarily mean anything else had to move, the field can be moved by itself. Doing so eliminates CEMF and bypasses Lenz.  Now with no CEMF the magnetic field can move very rapidly, very easily. So in this device a small magnetic field (or low input power) can transfer a great deal of energy to the output if the field is moved FAST ENOUGH.  This device can be made to rotate the field at a very high speed, as I've stated earlier in this thread, and that high speed would cause the output to be High Voltage as Steven Marks says this device is.
As he says, to increase output from a generator you can increase the magnet strength, increase the wire length or move the wire faster.  This device is all about moving the wire faster by moving the field past it faster.  The thousands of pieces of wire connected in series is just many turns of wire in a coil. The output coils are connected as two pair and not tied together (although today's electronics may be able to do so) and each pair may be connected in series or parallel as desired for current or voltage.  The circuit potential is the amount of power that the device can safely handle and you tune the frequency (RPM) to that point so you don't destroy the device. In practice the freq. could be used to control the output power with feedback so only the required power is produced up to it's maximum output.

Posts like this gives Room3327 a great deal of credibility in my eyes. But, unfortunately for him there was always some ignoramus or naive SM fanatic ready to mock him, insult his intelligence or simply kick the boot in for the fun of it.

That tends to happen on all forums if you don't immediately fall in line with the crazies way of thinking. You always take the chance of alienating yourself from the general population when you attempt to bring a little common sense and sanity to a thread. And woe betide if you show any signs of scepticism, however justified - you're an instant trouble-making rebel!

Likewise, P99's opening post to his thread was an excellent post too, but the reason for starting the thread is soon obscured by the idiot posters and nonsense that inevitably follows.

Intelligent posters certainly have a lot to contend with.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wings on June 27, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
whats this ... 

hummmmmm

ist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTcmuGdLCU   :P


Spider effect

http://mirit.narod.ru/index_en.htm

http://www.mirit.ru/library/a5220_31e.pdf

http://rutube.ru/tracks/1434174.html?v=8af67154f4947062c6a32894d0f669bd

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Yucca on June 27, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
Yucca
Yes, I'm in the process of reading that thread and the one started by Room3327. What I have gleaned so far is that Room3327 was an intelligent and extremely level-headed person and a valuable asset, and it's a shame he's not still around.

As usual though intelligence and common sense was having to compete heavily with far-out theorising, single-minded SM worshippers and plain old ignorance. Unlike many around here, Room3327 was certainly one of the guys you could have a straight-talking and intelligent discussion with.

Posts like this gives Room3327 a great deal of credibility in my eyes. But, unfortunately for him there was always some ignoramus or naive SM fanatic ready to mock him, insult his intelligence or simply kick the boot in for the fun of it.

That tends to happen on all forums if you don't immediately fall in line with the crazies way of thinking. You always take the chance of alienating yourself from the general population when you attempt to bring a little common sense and sanity to a thread. And woe betide if you show any signs of scepticism, however justified - you're an instant trouble-making rebel!

Likewise, P99's opening post to his thread was an excellent post too, but the reason for starting the thread is soon obscured by the idiot posters and nonsense that inevitably follows.

Intelligent posters certainly have a lot to contend with.

Hi FarrahDay,

Worry not about politics, just engineer for the better.

I am leaving this forum, but I have a weird feeling that FE will be outed soon enough.

Best regards from a Cheshire boy.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 27, 2009, 08:03:05 PM
Farrah,

The design of the coils is still up for debate. The general accepted coil layout was first proposed by user Tao a few years ago now.
Maybe you see a different arrangement.....

Here is what SM gave us on coils:

53.   About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

62.   Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.

regards

Dutchy
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 27, 2009, 09:15:37 PM
You may well suggest it BEP, but magnetic fields would seem to be one of the only things we can be sure are interacting. Out of curiousity what do you suggest I replace 'magnetic' with?

And Grumps, some time back you said the Spherics design might be the place to start, yet Spherics talks about the effect of producing one magnetic field inside another. So, please elaborate on 'Double ditto'.

Wattsup, would you kindly point me to where we have a first hand description of SM's coil layout. It would afterall be nice to get just one thing unequivocally substantiated around here.

There are other fields besides magnetic fields.  How is a magnetic field created in the first place?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 27, 2009, 09:18:31 PM
what about air as a core?there is a solution also for dealing with the fields that would be not contained and that's related to the topic here. :P

Love to discuss that solution, which is sure as hell alluding me.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 10:00:53 PM
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There are other fields besides magnetic fields.  How is a magnetic field created in the first place?

Oh, give me a break, why can't you people stay a little more grounded? Fair enough there are other fields, so what!  Are you really suggesting we should try to build a TPU on the basis that there are other fields beside magnetic fields?  Very intriguing... so where do you suggest we start with that one?

Don't tell me I know, 'I could explain it but I don't have to, so I reserve the right not to.'  Anywhere close?

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Here is what SM gave us on coils:

53.   About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

62.   Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.


Yes, thanks Dutchy. I'd read that, but given the suspect nature of info around here I just wondered if it had actually been substantiated anywhere independently.  I take it then that all that has been done is based solely upon the supposed emails from SM to Mannix. Blimey that is one tenuous thread and great leap of faith on which to base years of discussion and numerous TPU replication attempts. 

If SM was so secretive, why talk to Mannix? And if you are going to spill the beans, why do it through a third party?  This does not sit right with me. I get the impression that SM was a front man, someone who enjoyed the attention and a control freak... if so, he would not want to give up this control to a third party.

Why does Mannix not post anymore? Could it be because the seeds have now been planted and the shoots of misdirection are thriving?

Does anyone actually know who Mannix is/was? 

Because if, as I suspect, Mannix was SM, then you've all really been taken for a jolly ride to wonderland!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 27, 2009, 10:15:11 PM
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Yes, thanks Dutchy. I'd read that, but given suspect nature of info around here I just wondered if it had actually been substantiated anywhere independently.  I take it then that all that has been done is based solely upon the supposed emails from SM to Mannix. Blimey that is one tenuous thread and great leap of faith on which to base years of discussion and numerous TPU replication attempts. 

If SM was so secretive, why talk to Mannix? And if you are going to spill the beans, why not do it in person?  This does not sit right with me.

Why does Mannix not post anymore? Could it be because the seeds have no been planted?

Does anyone actually know who Mannix is/was? 

Because if, as I suspect, Mannix was SM, then you've all really been taken for a jolly ride to wonderland!

Yes I guess this is all based on the info we have been given by Mannix. It is all vague and therefore everyone reads something different in it.
But once you stop trusting the source there is nothing left to go by.... Maybe it has been trip to wonderland...

Wether Mannix is SM I can't say for sure, but my feeling says they're actually two different persons.
 Mannix has been on here a lot and still even is every now and then. He's even been on other boards discussing the emails he supposedly got from SM.
I would say that if he is SM he would have made a mistake by now that would have given it away.....

And, for him not posting anymore, I think there is a very simple explanation; SM stopped communicating and Mannix knows nothing more than we do....

Dutchy
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 10:40:40 PM
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I would say that if he is SM he would have made a mistake by now that would have given it away.....


If Mannix is SM I think somewhere he will have made a mistake, it maybe that we've simply not looked hard enough for it. Nobody really wants to destroy the dream. I daresay a thorough analysis of the Mannix/SM info might provide an answer. Then again maybe I'm just being over-sceptical. Though let's face it, it would be folly to take anyone or anything on trust alone around here.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 27, 2009, 11:09:51 PM
Oh, give me a break, why can't you people stay a little more grounded? Fair enough there are other fields, so what!  Are you really suggesting we should try to build a TPU on the basis that there are other fields beside magnetic fields?  Very intriguing... so where do you suggest we start with that one?


OK, smart-ass, how is a magnetic field created?




Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 27, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
BEP, maybe it's just me, but I find it rather odd that you'd rather dismiss the interaction of magnetic fields as playing a crucial part in the workings of a TPU, when that is the one thing the coils will certainly be producing.

I don't dismiss them in any way. I'm just saying don't look at one thing and expect to know what the other is doing.

Electric Field From Wiki:

"In physics, the space surrounding an electric charge or in the presence of a time-varying magnetic field has a property called an electric field. This electric field exerts a force on other electrically charged objects. The concept of an electric field was introduced by Michael Faraday."

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I fail to see the logic in your post.

I'm failing to see things, also.

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Are you saying that you think magnetic fields are 2-dimensional?

My reference to 2D is meaning what you will see on a scope. All you will see is amplitude and time. Unless you know how to make good use of a scope you will not visualize much else. If you use the usual scope probe connection methods you will only see the 'electric'.

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Or is this just humour you've picked up from Grumps?  :)

Are you kidding me? Grumpy has no sense of humor. How do you think he came by that handle?

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How do you know this BEP? Where is there a reference to this?

My description of what might be a logical path for trial (copper core or 'collector' with a means of circling it with a magnetic field the same way a magnetic field circles a current carrying wire) is a proposal and based upon the supposed texts from SM and classic physics.

BEP,

By temporal did you mean  casmir?  Or gravity?     "temporal force" is more of a philosophical term  that doesn't have much meaning.

Hardly.

Many words must have more meanings than I know.
I suppose the term is more common in neural reseach and studies of light (field not force).

Temporal Fields as they apply to light:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.4381

Temporal fields as the apply to EM would be like the theory of black holes and how they effect the EM spectrum.

To put it simply: An area, affect or space that causes a variation of time. So acceleration and EM could fit under the right conditions.

You may continue blowing-off my references to time. It is no longer a matter of opinion. These things are empirical facts.

Grounded?

I am grounded within my limited knowledge and understanding.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 12:47:58 AM

Lol, some of you guys are digging waaay too deep into this 'SM TPU Mystery'..      I've heard some speculation that SM visits this site and tries to mislead people.   Please tell me....    Why the heck would he  actually do this??    Think about it...      Is there a single logical reason for him to come here and try to mislead with people (I can't think of any)?   And if this is true,   I think it would probably be safe to realize that SM is either a nut or a  fraud and move on to something else.


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 01:08:08 AM

Hardly.

Many words must have more meanings than I know.
I suppose the term is more common in neural reseach and studies of light (field not force).

Temporal Fields as they apply to light:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.4381


Silly me... I thought you might have been talking about some home baked science like this..  http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7997/temporal.html   ..




Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on June 28, 2009, 04:11:42 AM
Silly me... I thought you might have been talking about some home baked science like this..  http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7997/temporal.html   ..

Nope. I don't think he is quite there yet.

You and Farrah please continue your efforts. Good luck. I'll not pollute your thread anymore and eagerly await any positive results you may find.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 05:25:37 AM
Nope. I don't think he is quite there yet.

BEP,

Please don't act all mystical,    and infer that  you have a working SM TPU....    I'm not going to buy that bull shit either..   If you had a working TPU  you wouldn't  be here..   Bye!


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Grumpy on June 28, 2009, 05:40:10 AM
Farray  Day and newbie123 are operatives trying to figure out who has or knows what.

Further discussion with them only does more harm.


EDIT:

I wish "The Buzz" was here to ride you both like a rented mule.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 05:53:24 AM
Farray  Day and newbie123 are operatives trying to figure out who has or knows what.

Oh shit!  Grumpy, you just blew my cover....   Wtf am I gunna do now!!!

Lol...

Sorry guys.. I'm just sick and tired of all the BSing  going on here..


edit:

And here's the reality of this  "Operative" situation...    And I find this I find  very, very bizarre.... 


The more logical or scientific a thread gets with regard to the TPUs operation...  The more idiots pop up, and the more they try to derail the conversation, change the subject, etc....    (basically [intentionally or unintentionally] ruin any sort of progress) 
 

Now if I  was really an "operative".... I would just love this nonsense, right?   The problem is:   I can't stand it!!!

The clowns  who support this nonsense are the ones you should be concerned about...   They're the ones that  give OU a bad name.


Am I the only one noticing this strange phenomena?


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 06:29:04 AM
trying to figure out who has or knows what.
Grumpy,

I'll give you some credit  here....     This is exactly what I am doing, I am trying to figure out who has or knows something...       Is this a bad thing?   If it is.... Why??       Is sharing information and asking questions really  bad?   

FFS, wake up and smell the coffee guys......



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: rensseak on June 28, 2009, 08:08:16 AM




The more logical or scientific a thread gets with regard to the TPUs operation...  The more idiots pop up, and the more they try to derail the conversation, change the subject, etc....    (basically [intentionally or unintentionally] ruin any sort of progress)     


how long have you been here?  :D


@all

DONT FEED THE TROLLZ
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 28, 2009, 10:13:10 AM
Nb

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Is there a single logical reason for him to come here and try to mislead with people (I can't think of any)?   And if this is true,   I think it would probably be safe to realize that SM is either a nut or a  fraud and move on to something else.

I don't think he is here now, but let's face it, he has never gone out of his way to openly divulge the secret of his TPUs, and if, as we are led to believe, he is a selfish, self-important control freak then no doubt he would have looked in on the forum... I would have. And how tempting then would it have been to muddy the waters in order to throw people off track and remain the only living person with the secret. It's human nature... this was his baby, he would be very protective.

I'm convinced SM was Spherics.

Of course, as you say he could simply have been a nut or a fraud. But I'm rather inclined to believe he was onto something. Have you checked out the Hendershot Generator and the Hubbard Coil?  There is a similarity between all these devices... and no doubt Moray's device, and I feel that ultimately Tesla's work holds the key.

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Quote from: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 09:00:53 PMOh, give me a break, why can't you people stay a little more grounded? Fair enough there are other fields, so what!  Are you really suggesting we should try to build a TPU on the basis that there are other fields beside magnetic fields?  Very intriguing... so where do you suggest we start with that one?



OK, smart-ass, how is a magnetic field created?

I guess that's in character. You know Grumps I've grown tired of your one liners. All you ever do is answer a question with a question... you're a waste of space... welcome to my 'Ignore List'. ;)

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"In physics, the space surrounding an electric charge or in the presence of a time-varying magnetic field has a property called an electric field. This electric field exerts a force on other electrically charged objects. The concept of an electric field was introduced by Michael Faraday."

BEP, I'm not disputing there are other elements at work here, I for one really think that the device would be tapping into ZPE, and I well know that a scope wont show me everything that is happening, but you can't design something based on 'what we don't know is happening' ...can you?

I agree with Nb, many people are simply fishing too deep here. Start shallow with what we do know and then fish a little deeper if need be as things progress. It makes no logical sense at all to start at the deep end where only theories abound.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 28, 2009, 10:34:39 AM
This thread is now some 26 pages long and everything I've learned has come from researching old material.

It has ocurred to me that not one person visiting this thread has posted any first-hand advice on building a TPU or given me the benefit of their first-hand experience.

I've had to cope with incoherent ramblings and Sci-Fi, meaningless space-wasting garbage, cryptic posts, poetry from GK, pictures of valves, and of course the the village idiot, 'Innexplicably Stupid's' utter nonsense.

At this rate I'm going to run out of space on my 'Ignore List'!

Have any of you ever collaborated on a build in order to actually share and compare results?  If not... why not?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 28, 2009, 12:46:49 PM
To Farrah day
So now your an operative,good one,these guys are nuts
Ok do this ,look at the video that was given to us by Jack Durban and the video that has a big tpu being
cut up.Focus on the sections where the big tpu's are being shown,the cutting one , at the beginning
where the camera goes around,look at both , look real closely.Remember SM likes illusion,"how do you hide something ,in plain sight" What looks strange,another clue,if your into electronics you will pick it up quickly
The tpu is a combination of conventional and very unconventional technology,extremely hard to figure out.L :ook closely,you have very good analytical abilities,remember its a nonconventional effect that powers this thing,an accidental discovery by SM,around late 1980's,he made it to look like tesla stuff another illiusion,hes an expert on tesla
I could tell you directly but you would not understand or believe me,so you need to figure it out your self.


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 28, 2009, 01:03:05 PM
I could tell you directly but you would not understand or believe me,so you need to figure it out your self.

Right, another one that knows it all....but refuses to tell. Gets a bit boring by now....

Why don't you try to teach us something and make us believe?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 28, 2009, 01:30:34 PM

Have any of you ever collaborated on a build in order to actually share and compare results?  If not... why not?


Yes i have  :)
I have build many coils and done many tests.
I also used to produce the results, but in evrey case somebody would go like "oh thats just this" or "no, thats just that" and debunk the results, so i stopped posting them.
At least over here, on this board..
We went from forum to forum to forum and so on.
Some boards were good some bad, some really bad.
It has to do with the members, there were boards that were accesible for builders only and you had to send in pictures of your setup and what you were about, in order to join the team.
So the noise floor was low, no idiots, no theorists, no know it alls just setups and results.

On this board, Whenever somebody posts something of true value, it's not seen by others because the crap posters will go over it like a bulldozer and burry it in the thread.
So you realize after a couple of tries, that it is a waste of time to try and start discussion.

Then you are left with your bench and you realize that those who want to find out, will do so.

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 28, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
To the fool that thinks I know everything,I don't hand over everything I know just because you want it,this isn't burgerking,you fools just keep going in circles haven't you got dizzy yet.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on June 28, 2009, 02:44:36 PM
 :)

There once was a little red hen who lived on a farm. The hen's friends were a little black dog, a big orange cat, and a little yellow goose. One day, the red hen found some grains of wheat. "I can make bread from this," thought the red hen.

The little red hen asked, "Who will help me plant the wheat?"

"Not I," said the little black dog.
"Not I," said the big orange cat.
"Not I," said the little yellow goose.

"Then I will do it myself," said the little red hen. And she planted the wheat without any help at all.

The little red hen asked, "Who will help me cut the wheat?"

"Not I," said the little black dog.
"Not I," said the big orange cat.
"Not I," said the little yellow goose.

"Then I will do it myself," said the little red hen. And she cut the wheat without any help at all.

The tired little red hen asked, "Who will help me take the wheat to the mill and grind it into flour?"

"Not I," said the little black dog.
"Not I," said the big orange cat.
"Not I," said the little yellow goose.

"Then I will do it myself," said the tired little red hen. So she took the wheat to the mill and ground it into flour without any help at all.

The very, very tired little red hen asked, "Who will help me bake the bread?"

"Not I," said the little black dog.
"Not I," said the big orange cat.
"Not I," said the little yellow goose.

"Then I will do it myself," said the very, very tired little red hen. And she baked the bread without any help at all.

The hot, fresh bread smelled very good. The little red hen asked, "Now, who will help me eat this bread?"

"I will!" said the little black dog.
"I will!" said the big orange cat.
"I will!" said the little yellow goose.

"No, you won't! I will do it myself!" yelled the little red hen. And she ate the bread without any help at all.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 28, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
good story, so when can we expect your  product
on the market,people are waiting, they have been waiting for 3 years,we need energy,get that thing out now!!!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 28, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
@ marco i just love your little stories ... 

yep the village idioit can hold his head high no matter what the fools say ...  ;D

btw i dont need to show anyone anything ....

and if you can not figure out how a tpu is built ... 

not my fault!!

sure im sure sm's units are much simpler than most things i have solved and understand

but none the less ...

i want far more than a silly sm tpu ... 

wich is all TESLAS WORK ANYHOW....  :)

so can i tell you how king arther un stuck his sorwd from the stone ... 

after 100 men pulled and pulled with all there might...


sure i can fully explain ... but why   im just the village idioit  :P

lol

ist!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: powerunlimited on June 28, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
I,your a funny guy does your guard at the zoo know your loose!!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 28, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
I couldn't help myself, I just needed a good laugh, so I viewed 'Innexplicably Stupids' last post.

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so can i tell you how king arther un stuck his sorwd from the stone ... 

after 100 men pulled and pulled with all there might...



Yeh, gave me a chuckle, nearly as good as the post when you said you'd discovered a way to 'make' gold.

You know you might actually be funny in the right circumstances, but here you're just a pathetic tosspot. Don't you ever tire of being a moron... is it a natural talent or do you have to practice?

Incidentally are you dyslexic or just plain old illiterate?

One thing is for sure, there's a nuthouse somewhere missing an inmate!

Yep, I guess things must be seriously bad if I need to read a 'Inexplicably Stupid's post to cheer me up!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 28, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
are you so a sleep i need to explain led to gold lol

honestly you suck


lol

led to gold a simple procdure ... lol 

i perpouslly do not use spell sheck just for your kind lol

think im jokeing ...  :D   well i know there many more than you can imagine know my words are so

more real than the illusion u live in .. lol


first lets ask  what is the diffrence between led and gold ...  i bet it aint much

and  hey if i spoke to J H LOL    he would know ... 

but ill keep this to fund my work ....  :P

since the fools dont want to fund  me ...

ist

proof !!

look at all the old egyptian  things made of gold .....   lol

WHAT YA THINK THEY MINED IT .....  LOL  :D :D :D :D

take a bow ....  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CuYKSCqYng

put your rocks on   and find your higher self   it is called enlightenment   and wow you will never feel better!!!


WHAT IS THE TESLA SHEILD ANYWAYS ....     HUMMMMMM

i do have a few questions for this world tho ... 

1 why does all this fall in my lap ...  i have had no training in any of this i have little high schooling ..
2 why was i zapped at a young age on good friday  thease are questions i had to ask my self

and i not so long ago got into spirtual reserch with the stones cuz i finnally realized that it was cuz of the garnets 5 lbs of huge size i have been working beside for the last 5 years .. then i further discover there  full of dimonds ...  ok so garnets ground you   dimonds allow  comprehenction ... and i have 1lb of nano quarts on my desk too ...  so you tell me ....

i finished the reserch for the tesla sheild wich allowes teleportation ...also time less comm between 2 places ....  hummmmm    come on are you blind in one eye ?

will i am !
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: HeairBear on June 28, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
who is JH?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 05:16:28 PM

I also used to produce the results, but in every case somebody would go like "oh thats just this" or "no, thats just that" and debunk the results,


Marco, You need to be open to criticism...  Sometimes experimenters will rediscover something that's already well known and naively try to make a big deal out of it.    Without criticism or skeptics you have a cult essentially;  a  place where everyone believes everything, and they never question what they're told. ..    Have you ever been to www.energeticforum.com?  ...  Lots of smart people there, and very few a-holes,  but hardly any skepticism at all...      People are spending 1000s of hours on dead end projects.



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: dankie on June 28, 2009, 05:55:17 PM
Marco, You need to be open to criticism...  Sometimes experimenters will rediscover something that's already well known and naively try to make a big deal out of it.    Without criticism or skeptics you have a cult essentially;  a  place where everyone believes everything, and they never question what they're told. ..    Have you ever been to www.energeticforum.com?  ...  Lots of smart people there, and very few a-holes,  but hardly any skepticism at all...      People are spending 1000s of hours on dead end projects.

Newbie , I see you are still here , acting smart , doing nothing , being a dependtard ... as always ...

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 28, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
Newbie , I see you are still here , acting smart , doing nothing , being a dependtard ... as always ...

Dankie, I want to get to the bottom of all the Free Energy claims just as much as anyone else....     I just refuse to play the nonsensical games that 90 percent of the folks here play.   "dependtard" Lol...    I'm not asking for a handout just a productive discussion. 




Ok.. I'm done ranting now....    (ignore list ftw)




 


Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 28, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
Well this proved to be a totally pointless exercise in team work and collaboration.

And to top it all, now enter Dankie into the foray to give 'Inexplicably Stupid' a run for his money and some real competition for the 'Most Stupid Person Ever to Post' award.

Now we get a double-dose of mindless drivel. Holding on to your sanity is about to get a whole lot harder!

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Goat on June 28, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
Hi Farrah

Have you looked into the work that Otto did and the otto_ronette_TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf he had posted?

Seems that he's the only one who claims he's able to get anything out of an actual TPU build.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on June 28, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
@farrah day
if you don't mind,
try to forget all you've seen on this board about the tpu,remember only the videos and the faq about the tpu(manix letters) and let all the other trash behind. now please come with a theory about how such a device would work in order to tap the magnetic field of the earth.nothing more nothing less.take it as a new begin
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 29, 2009, 12:59:21 PM
Thanks Loner

Anyone ever heard of the Tolman-Stewart experiment?

A very long wire was connected to a very sensitive meter. The wire was then rotated at 4000rpm. The long wire length allowed it to twist together as it spun. The coil was then brought to a stop in a fraction of a second.  The result was the conduction electrons carried on moving after the bulk of the metal had stopped.

These moving electrons produced a tiny pulse of current through the coil that was measurable on the meter.

Tolman and Stewart then analysed their data to find the charge to mass ratio of the current carriers in various metals and found these agreed with the known charge to mass ratio of the electron in free space.

On a slightly different note, does anyone else have a problem with the generally accepted SM design of the control coils being wrapped radially around the collector coils?  It just seems to me that in this configuration, the magnetic field induced by the contol coils into the collector would be far from optimum.

The way the coils are wound will no doubt be of utmost importance given that there appears to be very little to a SM TPU.

Bifilar winding configurations may well play an important part in the operation of the device, as on the one hand we can have a bifilar coil connected in such a way as to cancel out the inductive reactance and hence be left only with a pure resistance, and on the other hand a bifilar can be connected to get the magnifying effect Tesla spoke about whereby the coil can store many times the energy of a standard wound coil.  Two very interesting effects.

Furthermore, I know there is a lot of talk about pulsing 3 different signals to 3 separate control coils, but I for one would be extremely surprised if SM had this amount of electronics incorporated anywhere on a TPU. A small, very basic 555 oscillator cct, yes, maybe, but anything more complex than that I seriously doubt.  So why not simply concentrate on the one signal input and produce the phase differentials between the coils as Tesla did.

http://helpinghandconsulting.com/tesla/patents/00416193.pdf

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on June 29, 2009, 05:41:04 PM

Anyone ever heard of the Tolman-Stewart experiment?

So why not simply concentrate on the one signal input and produce the phase differentials between the coils as Tesla did.

http://helpinghandconsulting.com/tesla/patents/00416193.pdf

Thanks.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on June 29, 2009, 05:59:15 PM
Thanks.


EVER HERD OF THIS ??    http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15007

http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-get-free-electricity-from-a-phone-jack-127041/

its not free you already pay 4 it ....  8)


60 vdc power supply from a fone line .....  to suppy an emergency back up battery charger ...  in the event of power failure ...

ist!

the fone jack tpu ....   hummmmmm

 THEN YOU REALLY MIGHT KNOW WHATS ITS LIKE ..

I SEEN A RICH MAN BEG I SEEN A GOOD MAN SIN I SEEN A TUFF MAN CRY
I SEEN A LOOSER WIN AND A SAD MAN GRIN I HERD AN HONEST MAN LIE ..
I SEEN THE GOOD SIDE OF BAD AND THE DOWN SIDE OF UP AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN I LICKED THE SILVER SPOON DRANK FROM THE GOLDEN CUP SMOKED THE FINEEEEST GREEEEEEN

WILLIAM !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWhdz5svvQ
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 29, 2009, 07:09:46 PM
Some of you might also find this link of interest:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/9.html

Think about how SM's TPU was said to slowly build up to speed/power and the possibility of the magnet to kick start it!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 07:37:02 PM
Some of you might also find this link of interest:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/9.html

Think about how SM's TPU was said to slowly build up to speed/power and the possibility of the magnet to kick start it!

Interesting circuit.    But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 29, 2009, 07:49:13 PM
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But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?

Nb, I'd not thought too hard about it, just threw it into the pot. To be honest I don't trust the generally accepted SM TPU design one iota... or anything that the supposed SM stated.

But I like the idea of an induction motor whereby the electrons are the armature providing the drive power.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on June 29, 2009, 08:12:23 PM

But I like the idea of an induction motor whereby the electrons are the armature providing the drive power.

Interesting thought.. I'm going try to figure out the gyroscopic claim later.  If it's possible for electrons to have a circular flow faster than mms/s   w/o vaporizing the circuit, your theory might be a good one.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wings on June 29, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
Interesting circuit.    But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?

http://www.youtube.com/v/SMy04e0M0ec
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-28365-0.html&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight

http://www.dos4ever.com/ring/ring.html



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 29, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
Add this to what we suspect might be happening and things start to look a lot more promising:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/7.html

I accept that nothing here explains any kind of ZPE element that SM's TPU might well be tapping into in order to exhibit apparent OU, but it is a very down-to-earth place to start.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on June 30, 2009, 10:13:50 AM
Hi Loner, thanks.

Though I may well be way off the mark, this is my take on things so far.

If we liken SM's device to a polyphase induction motor, but instead of providing the stator with out of phase sinewaves, we pulse the coils at a much higher frequency in order to create the CEMF that so interests us.

The armature (effectively the SM collector coil) we do not want to move - which maybe explains the vibrations as no doubt if wired accordingly it will be attempting to do so.

But no, we want what effectively is our armature to stay put. We do not want the mechanical energy that the device could possibly provide us with, we want electrical energy. Unlike Tesla, we are not looking to convert electrical energy into mechanical energy, we merely  :) want more out than we put in.

While there is CEMF in the control coils (stator) there will always be an innefficiency unless we can make put to use this CEMF pulse elsewhere. But surely our collector too will also suffer from this problem, so inhibiting the energy output... unless perhaps we wound it in a bifilar configuration whereby there is no CEMF in the collector, so no inductive reactance, just very low resistance.

These are the lines along which I intend to undertake my first experiments.

I now just have to decide on the best way to configure control and collector coils in order to simulate a solid state Tesla polyphase induction motor.

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 01, 2009, 05:15:20 PM
The simulation does not show BEMF. If you have it then you have no kick. If any part of the pulse goes below ground then the kick is nulled. It is delicate. Nature abhors a vacuum. Class AB amplifier would be a good example of this negating this process. You'll notice the height of the kick in the previous simulation because there is no negative part.
Podkletnov: CEMF effect allows the recoil to null the kick effect. The kick is to propel the standing wave incrementally forward from the source to the destination of farther out, increasing the radius. The Searl device holds the standing wave at bay because of the mechanical distance rotors fron the stators. Podkletnov and Brown sent the standing wave away at incredible distances and speed.
Look at the kick like the return reading of a metal detector.  8)

The first rotovertor has the generator side by side or dual parallel axis and this configuration works beautifully. The reconfiguration on the same axis has a preponderance of tuning issues. Any takers?

If this info is not in line or spec with this thread then many apologies.

--Ji'an K'ylar.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 01, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
BACK EMF vs CEMF confusion!

I always thought that CEMF was exactly the same as BEMF. When I was at college in England we used the term BEMF - never CEMF. I assumed CEMF was simply the Americanized way of saying the same thing, because of the use of the word 'counter'. In America they would say counter-clockwise, in England we would say anti-clockwise... or backwards.

I see some people are claiming that BEMF and CEMF are two different things, but if you check it out, most people/websites seem to think it is a different way of saying the same thing.  Is this not the case?

In any case, what simulation are you refering to GK?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: starcruiser on July 01, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Seems like someone is finally catching on. TPU = Motionless induction motor/generator.

Single oscillator, phase shifted to drive a 3 phase stator (control Coils) with a rotor/pickup (collector).

Using multiple control coils/stator coils, one on top of the other (sound familar Farraday?) to increase output field, use more collectors to collect more of the field. simple induction and generator theory.

very simple to do really.

Have fun, be careful.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on July 01, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
For clarity's sake please Wiki CEMF and Back-EMF.
They are certainly different. I didn't see the term 'BEMF' until I started to use the web for this work. CEMF should be found in any electical tech manual written in English and probably most translations.

In any case, know the difference and don't let others confuse you because most don't know the difference.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 01, 2009, 07:24:49 PM
BEP

Did that, but Wiki would seem to be the only reference to the two being different things. Like I said, at college in England (ok, it was a few years ago now) I never even encountered the term CEMF - our inductor theory talked only about BEMF.

The fact that you hadn't heard the term BEMF until you started to use the web does rather tend to indicate it is a language issue rather than a distinctly different phenomenon.

However, I do feel we need to clarify this point. Can you provide another reference other than Wiki?  A single reference could be wrong and is not really acceptable. The majority of websites talk about the two terms as if they are a different way of saying the same thing. Wiki would seem to be in the minority.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00351.htm

http://ayyarao.blog.co.in/files/2008/07/notes-8.pdf

http://campus.murraystate.edu/tsm/tsm118/Ch7/Ch7_4/Ch7_4.htm

I personally think we are simply using different terms to describe the same thing.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: CTG Labs on July 01, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
The majority of websites talk about the two terms as if they are a different way of saying the same thing.

This is the way I learnt it at electronics college and most books describe the same thing using either term interchangably.  Inductive spikes are not back emf, surely they will also have back back emf acting against them due to lenz law>!


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 01, 2009, 08:14:22 PM
Agreed Dave

Inductive spikes may well be something different altogether, but as far as what is implied by BEMF and CEMF, I truly believe that the confusion here has been created by people who have had no formal training thinking that the two terms are different phenomenons... and Wikipedia!

American = CEMF
UK = BEMF

Therefore BEMF = CEMF
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: newbie123 on July 01, 2009, 08:30:34 PM
Agreed Dave

Inductive spikes may well be something different altogether, but as far as what is implied by BEMF and CEMF, I truly believe that the confusion here has been created by people who have had no formal training thinking that the two terms are different phenomenons... and Wikipedia!

American = CEMF
UK = BEMF

Therefore BEMF = CEMF
Farrah Day,

Thanks for looking into that...  Every once in a while Wiki fails,  I guess this is good example of that.    I had feeling BEMF/CEMF were the same exact  thing  but I didn't investigate....    This just goes to show how  crap information  can "circulate" around here as facts.   Be skeptical, people...



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 01, 2009, 09:31:03 PM
@FD,
I was referring to the kick simulation picture.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 01, 2009, 11:09:56 PM
@Loner,
Probably...
Got a swiss cheese map for OU space navigation.
A gabillion threads.

'I certainly doubt it will help in TPU construction' Now invert your view on this statement and it adds a whole new dimension to the motor control with music theory and resonance.
We have covered this all before so now I apply it clearly. Motors, music, virtual rotors, antennas. All in one unit. See why this is spread out so far? Look at a virual rotor motor like a resonant antenna in the 5khz range.

Our largest of buildings for open groups are modeled after echo chambers for perfect resonance in the focused audio range.
 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on July 02, 2009, 01:36:36 AM
HELOO ALL
 
tesla whas discoveret longtime ago how isposible to spin in one direction to spin his rotor 

WHIT AC VOLTAGE
IF AC IS more then 60 or 50 hz   did  the rotor whill spin fats <yes>
and now  the same elktromagnet force fild of that motor  be all the time the same  and if you increasing only the hz  rotor whill be spin more fast
NOW WORDS  FROM <S.M>

........ IF YOU HAVE VERY SMALL MAGNET  AND MOVE FAST IN TO THE COIL  WHIT SPEED  OF GUN BULYT ...
AND NOW .. THE ELLTROMAGNET IS THE SAME FORCE WHIT NO CHANGE THE FORCE  AND ONLY INCREASIN THE  SPEED 

IS HERE SOMETHING LIKE  S.M SAYS ???

IM VONDERING WHAT IS THE SPEED  OF S.M SMALL ELKTROMAGNET FILD IN TO THE  T.P.U
IS IT  5000 TURNING IN ONE SECOND  OF THAT VERY SMALL  ELKTROMAGNET FILD

P.S  . MANNIX I   ASK MY SELF  WHAT I WHILL DO  WHIT  MY METER IN MY HOUSE IS STILL  RUNING FAST ,,HOW TO SLOW DOWN>
idont have money to pay bilds :D :D :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2009, 02:57:35 AM
re: The difference between force, [Back]-force (?) and released potential

Very well, I failed to consider how the meaning of words change over a few years. I also forgot, for a moment, why I migrated to a closed forum. I should have kept my promise to stay out of your thread. I thought I was being helpful.

From the dull stab I would say the effort wasn’t appreciated.

One thing is certain. Judging by the subjects on this forum none should compare credentials. There is no danger of harm during a fall from the stack of these credentials.

I’ll leave you folks to charge your batteries with BEMF and the reinvention of the electric motor.

Theories evolve. I’ll check the beach, once in a while, for your arrival.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 02, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
Quote
Oppps.   BEP, Have I shoved my foot in my mouth?

Loner, you're too sensitive my friend.

BEP wanted clarity on the issue... he got it. Job done.

If he should feel anyway aggrieved that the outcome didn't go his way then that is an issue for himself to deal with, it was never anything personal.

So Loner, are you yet in a position to collaborate on a project?

My thinking is this. If we could decide on a design that offers the most promise, then both carefully build the same thing, we could always rely on the other person to confirm results... or not.  Also, given that we would no doubt be using different test equipment, any anomalies that show up when we both have identical designs might be extremely imformative.

What do you say?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 02, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Loner, you have no doubt seen this, but I think it is worth revisiting again, for me at least now in a new light.

http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

Page 19 onwards.

The Bob Boyce electrolyser apparently exceeds Faradays limit for a given power input by 600-1000%.

He wraps his output coil all the way around a toroidal former, before then wrapping 3 input coils on top of that, each of which is provided with a different frequency signal.

Looking at it again now, it seems quite possible that the results he was getting were likely all to do with his toroidal coil set up and very little to do with the design of the electrolyser itself. Interesting.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 02, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
Yes that rings a bell now about old Boycie. Didn't he get struck by lightning twice... and lived to tell the tale.

I guess he either was really creating some sort of energy vortex... or someone upstairs doesn't like him very much  ;)

Does cause a little concern though doesn't it. A least there seems to be no affinity to lightning from the SM TPU.

OK, I'll leave you to finish your projects and I'll start with a Boyce look-a-like coil configuration and take it from there. I'll get some photos up as I go for the record.

Not sure what to do about the core at present though. If SM had a core it would appear to simply be coils of wire. Boyce details his ferrite-like former.

Important question. The core. Did you use a toroidal transformer core?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Nikola Tesla on July 02, 2009, 09:38:34 PM

Does cause a little concern though doesn't it. A least there seems to be no affinity to lightning from the SM TPU.


Page 42:

Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and
dissipate more energy then the smaller ones.
However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much
difference...
There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.

Page 46:

If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the
heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent
of a lightning strike of the unit.
That of course ends the operation of the unit but can also prove to be
rather dramatic and also somewhat dangerous if you are in close
proximity to the power unit.

Nikola.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 02, 2009, 11:21:45 PM
Thanks Loner

You're meltdown of the past sounds quite dramatic. There must have been a hell of a lot of power being disipated to create such a mess... does get you thinking.

I'll post photos and results as I proceed. I have now decided to build two similar units a la Boycie, but one with a toroidal transformer ferrite core and one with a copper core made simply from microbore copper piping. This way I can observe the differences these two cores make.

I've got to get hold of the toroidal transformer core, but have everything else.

However, I can't let this interfere with my love of Wimbledon, so the next few days I'll just be gathering the parts ready. The way Venus took apart the world No.1 Safina, was quite incredible. Big day for Britain's No.1 tomorrow! Murray vs Roddick... gonna be a good one!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on July 03, 2009, 01:37:28 AM
@BEP

Just in case you read this, here is my vulgarization of the BEMF issue. lol

BEMF equals CEMF and are part of the process of saturating a coil. As power is applied to the coil, there is a counter force working against the inrush and this prevents the coil from being instantly saturated. It's like a coils' natural internal protection system saying to the energy source, "Feed me, but don't blow me away".

We should know that inductors (coils) discharge when they are disconnected whereas capacitors discharge when they are connected.

So when you disconnect the coil from the power source the field inside and around the coil collapses or recedes and there is a nice return discharge that is called Flyback, not BEMF or CEMF.

You cannot collect BEMF and CEMF since it is expended only during the inrush that happens when the coil is connected to a power or pulse source.

BEMF and CEMF are not the cause of drag or motor cogging either.

You CAN collect or recapture Flyback. It can even kill you if the coil is big enough.

Guys that say they are capturing the BEMF are actually capturing Flyback.

In any case BEMF is exacly that. When there is EMF applied, there is a reverse EMF applied also and that is why we call it Back EMF. You cannot apply a reverse EMF if there is no EMF. This only happens while the coil is connected. The coil can only collapse when it is disconnected at which time both the EMF and the BEMF are impossible to even exist.

We should actually just forget about BEMF and CEMF because there is nothing you can do with it. Many guys here know but they will not correct every member when they say BEMF simply because we would be spending all our days repeating the same thing.

Now if the above is totally wrong, this gives even more reason to then call the collapsing field of a disconnected coil something else other then BEMF and CEMF since these two are causing major misunderstandings. But for me Flyback is the best term for the juice we are all looking to capture.

PS: Some other thing about Flyback. Why is Flyback voltage so high? Could it be because while applied power to a coil meets the BEMF to slow it down, when the source is disconnected to produce Flyback, the Flyback energy does not encounter any counter force while it is receding or returning to the source. BANG. Otherwise we would have BEMF to counter the EMF and then CounterFlyback (CFB) to counter the Flyback (FB). Is this fun or what?
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 03, 2009, 01:54:35 PM
OK, for the record, I have managed to get hold of a toroidal transformer from a defunct 1400W stereo power amp.

A bit of a beast and very heavy. Will be unwinding the wire while I'm watching the tennis.

Tried to attach a photo, but I'm told that the file size is limited to just 300Kb... my photo is 0.98 Mb!!  This is going to be a bit restrictive.

Had to try to alter the resolution on my camera, by using the digital zoom, but got there in the end, this is at 245kb.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 03, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
so i went for a digg last night found this picture


what about a jt to cause rotation and pump the colapse throught the collectors .. 

i bet it will work thanks to aluka for the pen art drawing

ist

i guess ill build 1 of thease ...    i will use pancake coils ...  i will start with 1 and 4 coils just like this dwg ...

i started a build useing this design ...   

55 " bifillar speeker wire ..  14ga  this will be a 3 turn pancake COLLECTOR COIL.....

so i soldered the 2 seprate ends as 1 wire... on the INSIDE OF THE COLLECTOR COIL

so in essience we have a MK2 collector style coil ...   it goes in and it comes back out  but ontop of each other unlike the toroide mk2 unit ...  still the same operation aplies ... the induced or squeezed collector runns 2 dirrections

OTTO'S TEST ..... sound good ?!?!?!?!   50 turns / control coil 200 per collector ... all 1 wire hummmmmmmmmmm

i have lots of 28 ga wire ...  maybe ill try that ...

50 turns of 28 ga is 82" with 2 6" leads ...

i knew i had those rings machined for a reason ......  :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 03, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
so for this unit to run properly in a 1 ring configuration system you need a TRIGGER COIL ... 

i would wind a 15-20 turn trigger coil on the the ringggg 

if i were to multi stack this unit i would add each 4 coils of the next ring to the last ring on the secondary of the jt...

the collectors would add up aswell to the top  then would tap into the final winding over the whole thing and the magnetic feilds squeezing in on the pancakes are also pushing out on the final tunnel wrap witch is a generator tapping the rotating magnetic mess.. 

as it accelerates the colapse from the jt!!

lets call it a aaa JT driveing a TPU!  :D

SO BASICALLY WHERE YOU TAP YOUR LEDS ON THE JT YOU PUMP THAT THROUGH THE COLLECTOR AND PUMP IT!! ;) . 

to power the electro magnets and the trigger curcuit ..
you want to use the inputted engery from a BUTTON CELL OR A AAA to power the electro magnets the (50 turn coils)   all 12 of them  and you use the electromagnetics produced from both the squeezing effect and pushing out effect   as a rotating generator  pumping all the collectors 4 times each ring in 2 reveloutions  then hitting the trigger to do it agin

and as it turns off the cold engery or colapse from the electro magnetic feilds is rectified to dc and you pump the POSITIVE RECTIFIED ENGERY THROUGHH THE COLLECTORS ..  and squeeze it like OTTOS TEST


BOOOOOYAH!!   

IST!




 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 03, 2009, 10:01:16 PM
can i ask what sauron  was thinking ........ :)


lol

just another old picture.... 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 04, 2009, 02:16:35 PM
ill finish the unit showen today and i will fully build the next one too

just cuz it seams nobody can or will

the second unit i broght to the top agin is  a 3 phase pump useing a 3 phase relay ...  it will turn on 15 coils per phase .. 123

im sure you see it if you dont i can further explain ... 

ist! 

50 turns sounds good on a sewing machine bobbin .. maybe 22 or 26 ga ...

so it will require 45 bobbins ...  a bit of work ...  nuttin im not used to ...


GREEN & RED  it must be christmas in july ...  :D

now i did say years AGO.... RESOSNANCE IS NOT REQUIRED!!!  


well got the the coil all done 12  50 turn control coils on 3 rings ...  ran out of tape and i need some bobbins for the next unit  ;D


so i will keep at it as always
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 04, 2009, 07:05:50 PM
got all my bobbins 48 of them

thank you WALMART!! ;D  8 BUCKS 2 BUCKS A BOX OF 12 ...

ill take some pics of the bobbins im useing  the ground wire un sheilded and  the coil

b4 i wind it ... 


ist!

in my last picture here i see 4 stops and so far 25 bucks ...   2 dollar stores ..  wallmart and the hardware store ...  :D

ground wire ... bout  8 bucks bobbins 8 bucks disposable camera (cap) and a cfl for the toroide ..  and the battery came for the camera   but i can simplfly it yet ...  4401  or a 2222  or a 3055 might work well .. 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 04, 2009, 08:59:45 PM
right i might aswell post this here too

i have this jt that puts out 700vac pure sine wave ... (peek to peek)  from a AAA battery .... 

hummm 

here is a scope shot and a picture of it

ist


i also herd an AA battery can deliver up to 26 amps on almost a dead short ...  WOW!  ... 

i love being the village ididot ..  :D

i have some of thease too but mine are 9-18 on the input pulse  i bet it can run ac or dc ....  ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 04, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
now back 2 my sm tpu stack ... 

where did everyone go ...  it is the 3rd act ...  lol


mk1 ....  what do you think im gonna put on here next ? 

i remember sm saying 3 coils ....  placed 1 on top of the other  yep  well that means just that ...  lol

so next on each ring i will wind an equal mass coil in the mk2 winding configuration to grab as a generator and as a transformer ...  just cuz i can ...  there will be 12 of thease 1 on top of each other coil they will be hooked up in 3's if i have enough diodes they will be indivually bridge rectified ...  thats 48 diodes in those feed back coils alone ...    but it will aid the coil ...  if i choose it to ..  now

if phased properly in the stack as the drawing shows it shows out of phase rotation would be like 

-    0    -    0
0    -    0    -
-    0    -    0

see the pattern ... 

ist

winding mk2 picup coils over the control wires


my 50 turn controls of 28 gage magnet wire 82" long weigh 1.5 grams ea

so i will make mk2 pickups of equal mass 1.5 grams 22 gage ... 1.5 grams of 22 ga is 21 "

so 1.5 grams of 22 ga gets me 4 turns up and 4 turns back with 4" leads ...

i will finish all 12
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 05, 2009, 12:20:45 PM
Well Well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were building again  :)

How are you going to drive that thing?

Marco.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 05, 2009, 03:11:06 PM
Well Well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were building again  :)

How are you going to drive that thing?

Marco.


i was thinking something like this.... 

but i think i better make it a little more complicated than that ....   

maybe 1 of thease ....


BTW there is no need to self feed this coil ..  i want people to play safely ... use a aaa to start with ... i bet it can go haywire fast ...  ;)

if i were to use a magic magnet  i would have it self feed ... and just swipe the magnet past a seprate tuned circuit to produce the first charge in a cap then let the switch take over ...

but i like the forced tuned method useing a jt then i can tune it with ease ... 

ist

well i guess ill wind the final wrap and add all the bridge rectifiers ..

for the final wrap i will fill the coil  probally use bifillar speeker wire and split the positive from the collectors  useing diodes  also i will likely put diodes between the collector coils .. to flip the ac to dc and runn with the grain of the flow ... 

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 05, 2009, 04:43:02 PM
i think some where in stevens re marks lol

he says to use a FULL WAVE SILICON RECTIFIER ON THE INPUT SIDE OF THE COIL ....

hummm


i do know why ... 

gotta portect the transistor some how ...  i put a diode there in my last dwg ...  to stop a back flow of ac from blowing things up that drive the coil 

but if i used my 700v ac jt then rectified it ...  well  no back feedies .... lol

ist!


litterly 1000 ways to do the damm thing ...  this is why so few have them ...  8)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 05, 2009, 05:33:18 PM
The last few posts clearly illustrate why people like myself get so disheartened by the forum.

While Hartmann in is wisdom allows illiterate idiots to dominate the forum like a rampant plague, any intelligent discussion will forever be extremely hampered or lost under piles of garbage.

What I find hard to comprehend is that Hartmann actually gave me a ban warning on the Electrolysis boards for expressing an opinion, while actually accusing me of spreading misinfo!! And given all the seriously foul-mouthed language that was coming from some of the more fanatical retards there, I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 

One thing is for sure, something has to give if these forums are ever going to be given any real credibilty by people with very real credentials.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 05, 2009, 05:45:37 PM
i dont know what to say to you .... 

have you tryed ottos test yet ?

ist

if you have then you would know what it is im building and you would fully understand how and why this unit will work weather i make it run or NOT!  ;)

here are a few more pictures of the coil wound ...  it weighs about a 1 lbs ....there bouts ...

i added some felt pads
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on July 05, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
The last few posts clearly illustrate why people like myself get so disheartened by the forum.

While Hartmann in is wisdom allows illiterate idiots to dominate the forum like a rampant plague, any intelligent discussion will forever be extremely hampered or lost under piles of garbage.

What I find hard to comprehend is that Hartmann actually gave me a ban warning on the Electrolysis boards for expressing an opinion, while actually accusing me of spreading misinfo!! And given all the seriously foul-mouthed language that was coming from some of the more fanatical retards there, I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 

One thing is for sure, something has to give if these forums are ever going to be given any real credibilty by people with very real credentials.


Ok , lets see your credential ... What is your goal discredit others ...
Believe me no one need you here , you wanted to see more of the tpu basic , you now have easy to fallow pictures ...

Stop working your mouth off and build something ...

No why ? you really think that you will make it on the first try ... lol ....

Get real .

You should see that you don't really have any credit over here ...

That tpu shit is getting old , only seems to bring smart asses ...
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 05, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
I'm sorry Mk1, what's your problem.. is IST a relation of yours or something?

Or is it perhaps that you just both share the same extremely low level of intelligence?

You've been on my ignore list for a good while, but I mistakenly thought you might actually have something useful to say this time... silly me.  You're another clear example of why Hartmann should get off his arse, clean up the boards and take out the trash once in a while.

If you really think that IST has ever had anything remotely useful to contribute, you've evidentally got some real problems of your own.

Anyway, that's it I'm done, consider yourself the straw that finally broke the camels back. You boys have fun now!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 05, 2009, 09:01:38 PM
@ farr


thats too bad ...  you dont like my TPU ...

i thought it was a neat toy and a good challange for the minds .... 

but i guess some minds are still YOUNG....

ist!

JUST CUZ MY LAST FLASHLIGHT APEARS TO BE A SUCCESS .....  :)   ILL BUILD ANOTHER

JUST A WEEEEEEE BIT BETTER   

i found myself some ultra bright leds ...  they sure are bright ...  they are in groups of 4 and take 3 aa batteries to power them ....   i will develop a unit wich will power 4 groups of 4 leds ... from a aaa and a solar unit ....    wich would require ... 12 aa batteries

so if my toys really dont work ...  my challange would be for you to power 16 ultra bright leds form 1 single aaa battery ...   bet you cant do it ...  unless teslas lil trick is used  :P
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on July 05, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
I'm sorry Mk1, what's your problem.. is IST a relation of yours or something?

Or is it perhaps that you just both share the same extremely low level of intelligence?

You've been on my ignore list for a good while, but I mistakenly thought you might actually have something useful to say this time... silly me.  You're another clear example of why Hartmann should get off his arse, clean up the boards and take out the trash once in a while.

If you really think that IST has ever had anything remotely useful to contribute, you've evidentally got some real problems of your own.

Anyway, that's it I'm done, consider yourself the straw that finally broke the camels back. You boys have fun now!

I love the way you come across as a know all Ahole , ignore list are for people like you ... yes there are many smart people around here saying so doesn't make me or you one of them ...

And to tell the truth ist is on a fishing trip , because he doesn't have the electronic training to bring most of his construction to completion , this doesn't mean he is stupid in any way , but Tesla did not have transistor or modern  electronic to do it either . Ist is a hard worker , i did make most of the coils seen around here the last 2 to 3 years , i do not know how many he completed but if you ask him i may tell you ...

Now will he solve it , not sure , will you no chance , so i still prefer ist attitude to yours.

I personally think that there is more speculation then fact around here , i am here to learn , now tell me what is your goal .Teach people ?

Come on we are all needed village idiot or know all like you , we can learn from each other , open research forum are like that ... Maybe you should start your own forum
since you are so good , i bet people will fallow you and leave this forum.

Anyway this is so stupid , and waist of time , keep it up with the ignore list , it really shows your colors ...






Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 06, 2009, 12:40:05 AM
here are the diodes im useing on the feed back coils..

1n914

ist

why am i useing thease diodes ...   answer cuz they were 4 bucks for 50 at radio shack ... lol

 ;) :D

flash light update ... 8 leds ultra bright full brightness 1 jt nano coil ...  5 turns ...   

000  1 aaa battery ....  ill probally build 1 more nano in my new flashlight ... 2 coils 1 aa 16 ultra brights full brightness ...  1 AAA battery ... 

 :)

so whats next ist grow lights spectrum tuned and crystline coated ..  hummmm  running from button  cell   like i said i deram up inventions many A DAY!!

i added 1 more pic so you can see it is powered by an aaa battery ..

btw thats 1 aaa doing the work of 6 aa batteries as originally designed ......  HUMMMMMM

now im just the village idoit but this aint rocket sicence ... its nature ...  lol

i think there is still much room for improvement !!  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 06, 2009, 08:21:02 AM
The proof is in the schematic.
Show it so it can be replicated. Then make believers out of the naysayers.
Else the circus always has a third ring where one more clown climbs out of the Volkswagon.

--giantkiller. Just curious.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 06, 2009, 12:22:31 PM

I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 


 :D

Believe me he won't.
He doesnt give a fuck about this forum.
all he cares about is ads and traffic.

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 06, 2009, 03:47:01 PM
The proof is in the schematic.
Show it so it can be replicated. Then make believers out of the naysayers.
Else the circus always has a third ring where one more clown climbs out of the Volkswagon.

--giantkiller. Just curious.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0

17 pages of circuits ... ALL WILL WORK ...

i will do a dwg of the jt aaa tpu SOON  :)

IST

those 8 ultra brights are still running now ..much dimmer but are still litt ...  over 12 hours .. now ...

perfect for a solar light  ;)


I PUT TOGATHER A HOOK UP DIAGRAM ...   im not the best at it but im sure it will do the trick
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on July 06, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
@IST

I think 7 up and 8 down should be switched to 7 down and 8 up otherwise why switch 5 and 6 compared to 1 and 2?

wattsup
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 06, 2009, 10:42:01 PM
@IST

I think 7 up and 8 down should be switched to 7 down and 8 up otherwise why switch 5 and 6 compared to 1 and 2?

wattsup

thank you wattsup

i have been tossing a few ways around in my mind ..  i have not hooked it up yet im finishing my 16 ultra bright led flash light just npn so i dont blow anything up!!! 

for now   anyways  :D ;D

ill hook it up all possible ways ...  ;D

ist!

hows that for innovation ....   ;D  thanks agin walmart those are my bobbin boxes ....  lol
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 06, 2009, 11:12:38 PM
i added 2 aaa so it last a longgggg time and darn bright ...  i can power all 4 from 1 but run time does decrease ...

 ;D

so i have some small solars i will add to the top of the unit ...   

ist

here is a picture of my new unit it is a mk2 winding primary ...  not IN RING FORM..  ;D

im selling thease lanterns in kits with all required to do the mod for 12 bucks + shipping

they will run on 1 aa battery   the kits are not solar powered

just because i love to innovate and invent and cuz i care and share ... .. 

my next solar flashlight will have a built in cell fone / ipod charger .... 

can i get some invesrots ....  please lol

also i got this solar  charger battery pac invertor all in 1 unit design  bout 1.5 " thick

just set it in the sun and plugg in your units ...

this is designed to work with or with out this little trick!
 ;)

i have the cell fone charger units here ..  not much to them eather ...  ;)

here are all 4 groups of 4 ultra brights being powered from 1 aaa battery .... from my ringless unit ...

so there ya go ....
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 05:36:10 AM
here is a compleate jt mounted and tuned ... will light all 16 ultra brights or will power my TPU ....

thats YOUR CALL!!

ist

i used a 100k pot cuz its all i have ..   but i still tuned it  ;D :D  lol
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 07, 2009, 07:15:07 AM
There is no connection to the transistor base.
My eyes are sore, my mind is befuddled and my head is starting to hurt.
I think I am out of my daily recommended calories.

I feel like I am watching a chimpanzee trying to do the Wallstreet Journal crossword puzzle with a finger of poo.

--giantkiller. Mamma said 'There'd be days like this'.

I had to pee when I started reading this thread but soon laughed myself into dehydration.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 07, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Quote
There is no connection to the transistor base

Agreed. No doubt there are a lot of areas not connected to anything in what counts as 'Inexplicably STupids' brain too.

I think it's quite obvious that 'Inexplicaby STupid' is either not taking his prescribed medication or is conversely taking illegal drugs - either way he is now much more than just an irritation. Will this nonsense ever cease?

Apart from him showing pointless pictures of coils he will do nothing with, he is now showing LEDs lit with an AAA battery, from apparently a 'Joule Thief'.  For Christ's sake, he is not even on the right board anymore!

Unless you guys unite and all complain to Hartmann on mass, possibly with the threat of leaving the forum altogether, then this one pathetic and sad individual will continue to wreak havoc on this forum.

I mean, come on, just look at how many pointless posts he has made on this thread alone before finally taking it over as his own.

Something really has to be done about him and his kind...  Finding out where he lives and shooting him might not be a bad idea!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2009, 11:48:25 AM

Unless you guys unite and all complain to Hartmann on mass, possibly with the threat of leaving the forum altogether,


This has already happend.
Many good people are gone.

But that doesnt bother Stefan Hartmann.
Why?

According to the site statistics, Mr. IST has posted 3236 messages.

Lets assume those 3236 messages are being viewed by ONLY 10% of the forum members(trust me it is many more, guests also etc.),
We have a total of 20353 members, so 10% = 203.53.
This means 3236 messages read by 203 members = 3236x203=656908

656908 xtimes the $ ads, and Stefan Hartmann is happy with IST.  :)

Imagine if all people would view his posts...
3236x20353= 65862308 views  ::)

He is not going to change that.
In fact he can sit on his arse in his home thanks to IST and the viewing people.
And thanks to you too.....

M.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Farrah Day on July 07, 2009, 01:18:49 PM
You are so right Marco. Even by just looking in on the forum we are feeding this madness.

Of course, maybe 'Inexplicably STupid' is on Hartmanns books and taking a cut of the profits, eh... or perhaps even Hartmanns alter ego!

So, perhaps it's time for everyone to seriously consider boycotting the forum (or at least this board) altogether. Once the postings dwindle, maybe people will stop viewing too, and Hartmann might be forced to take action.

I see no other way of getting Hartmann off his backside.

It's a shame because these forums could be so good if they were properly moderated. As it is, intelligent folk that ultimately have the most to offer or proffer, simply get fed up of the constant nonsense posters and never-ending bullshit and get out while their sanity is still intact. And who can blame them.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Moab on July 07, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
BUMP.  /\/\


The last few posts clearly illustrate why people like myself get so disheartened by the forum.

While Hartmann in is wisdom allows illiterate idiots to dominate the forum like a rampant plague, any intelligent discussion will forever be extremely hampered or lost under piles of garbage.

What I find hard to comprehend is that Hartmann actually gave me a ban warning on the Electrolysis boards for expressing an opinion, while actually accusing me of spreading misinfo!! And given all the seriously foul-mouthed language that was coming from some of the more fanatical retards there, I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 

One thing is for sure, something has to give if these forums are ever going to be given any real credibilty by people with very real credentials.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 01:22:22 PM
there must be something worng with your EYES MIND AND FINGRES LOL

but thats ok my SH!IT WORKS ...  does yours ??

of course there is a connection to the base ...  probally the 100k pot  ....

cant ya light some leds ...  sheesh   ... 

just guessing  here  but i bet you all did not see the jt thred ....  hummmmm 

ooouch!! its getting big ...  now ..

now if you think what im showing is ok then you  missed gadgets ...  floro tube that runs on a aaa for 12 hours full brightness...

dubble ooooouch!   i guess he has a cam tranny tuned to a resonant tank ....  runn time is increassed BIG TIME ... :P

what ya all been doing ...  playing the tpu game .... hummm

then after it does not lite the cfl it still lites 100 leds  i cant remember now   2 more days ..... 

ooooouch 

ist!

 sheesh at least i made it use some power and wont runn 4 ever... on that aaa  :) :)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2009, 01:29:26 PM
Well Well if it isn't the Innovation Station :)

Thats another Euro for Stefan Hartmann  :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 01:40:33 PM
i bet there were a bunch of my videos i made a while ago that were not public ....  but they still went some where ...
 ;)


well well if its not marco   not lighting any leds but 1 of the first to jump when i talk about your toys ...

ist

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
Today is a good day for Stefan Hartmann :)

IST, if you post some more he can even buy some ice cream  :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2009, 02:04:41 PM
i bet there were a bunch of my videos i made a while ago that were not public ....  but they still went some where ...
 ;)


well well if its not marco   not lighting any leds but 1 of the first to jump when i talk about your toys ...

ist

He men i'm still around.
The diffrence between you and me is that i actually learned someting over the past 5 years.

When i look at your coils , they remind me of my first builds 5 years ago...
And i wonder what you have been doing..

Have a look at what i made today:

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 02:48:17 PM
im glad your still building 

looks like  OTTOS TEST! :P

at least u posted it with the words that go with it

IST!

BTW MY SHIFT IS SO EASY EVEN THE CHILDREN CAN BUILD IT .....

AND I DONT NEED POWER TOOLS ...  :D

MARCO DOES YOURS RUNN ON A BUTTON CELL ?

oooo  i know mine will  ;D

BTW IF IT DOSENT .... THEN .....  O YES HERE WE GO ...  NOW YOU WILL BE USEING MY SHIFT COIL  OPERATION ......  HUMMMMMMMMM

ill leave it alone now ... 

besides this is only a tpu lol 

JUST SOMETHING FOR THE WEEK MINDS ...

WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH THE SHOCK RA'S  THE STAFFS AND THE REST OF THE TOYS ... 

THEN WE CAN HAVE A REAL CHAT ....  TILL THEN ILL KICK MY FEET UP AND PLAY THE CHEESY TPU GAME ....  :D
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on July 07, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
Marco
Its beautiful!!

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 03:45:56 PM
Marco
Its beautiful!!

Chet

yes it is ....  as to be expected from some one like marco .....   


but were not all..... as well off as some........ cuz money dont rule my  world ...


   ;)

so ill just keep inventing and shareing with this world as i have done   1 day they will finally see ...  who they got to come see.... 

really it dont matter to me tho ...  i know better how this place works  :D :o

marco know of karma and how the wheels run?   hummmm   

i can see you dont ..... for the way you treat people ....  :)

but your working on it  ...  peek a boooooo  ;)

ist! ;D

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: ramset on July 07, 2009, 03:53:30 PM
Ist
Its just my opinion.
but the 4 gauge cable [yellow] looks like Marco is after more than LED'S

Chet
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 04:04:31 PM
lol 

i have not wound my 6 ga ground wire yet.....   ;)

btw farr....   

did you transmutte to GRUMPY .... 

IST!

lol lol   marco  ERRRRRRRR.......  LOL   GREAT JOB!!! 

WHAT ELSE COULD I SAY??

WHEN YOU GONNA FINISH IT ?? 

I WANT TO SEE THE REST LOL   HEARS YOUR KICK IN THE ASS ...  GET IT FINISHED AND POSTED B4 I DO !!!  ;)

by the way gk dont go thinking i dont know about beaties ... floating base ... trick ..  lol

and here is a pic of the pot soldered to the base ....
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
   
but were not all..... as well off as some........ cuz money dont rule my  world ...


Money don't rule my world either. :'(
It took me a long time to work for all my tools and stuff...  :-\


marco know of karma and how the wheels run?   hummmm

i can see you dont ..... for the way you treat people ....  :)


Pherhaps you should be more worried about that.

I'm fine,some people just think that you are filthy rich or have everything you want.
It's stupid to think that and i just don't like those people.
Those i treat with dis-respect, because they just assume things about you that are not true.

If you want something you gotta work for it.
Nothing is free, well not yet... ::)

Marco
Its beautiful!!

Chet

Thanks Chet.  :)
It took me some time to make it.


but the 4 gauge cable [yellow] looks like Marco is after more than LED'S

Chet

The collector is rated at 8000 volts.
It's neon sign cable.  :)


I WANT TO SEE THE REST LOL   HEARS YOUR KICK IN THE ASS ...  GET IT FINISHED AND POSTED B4 I DO !!!  ;)


I'm in no hurry and it seems you have some catching up to do so go ahead.  :D

Marco.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
maybe...... but i think the ENTIRE PLANNET IS WAY BEHIND ...

nope my karma is long done ... 

lets just say im more than in the door and know where i should stand so do both sides ...  ;)

indeed all does come with much hard work... 

the days of the old are GONE!!   

WHY CUZ THE THINGS IM SOLVEING   NOW ...  WELL LETS SAY  NOT ANYBODY UNDERSTANDS FULLY .....

and well only certan people on plannet earth have the abilities to do so .....   


hummmmmm

ist!

but i like flashlights cuz they are simple and cheep

and im almost done the ipod/cell fone charger mod to the unit ...  and it will have aux batteries  to drian them right out b4 you toss them ... 

small things sell FAST...    ALSO IM  NO RICH GUY .....   IF FACT PROBALLY THE POOREST YOU HAVE EVER  MET!!

 but its ok i some how mannage to make my way through
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 07, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
@IST,
Did you take the transistor hfe into account when biasing the base or the current gain for the overall design topology?  ;)

What is the specific reason for choosing the 2n series for the circuit you made?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 06:54:30 PM
@IST,
Did you take the transistor hfe into account when biasing the base or the current gain for the overall design topology?  ;)

What is the specific reason for choosing the 2n series for the circuit you made?

--giantkiller.

well got to be the OFF TIMES...  and they dont use much power to operate

as well the 2N 3055 can handle much power ... 

plus

for marco .... 

if you only powered 1 feed of your coil and recovered ..  from it to power the other 2 you could disconnect the power source after it was running ...

ist ...
 
then if you wanted to get really retarted .. you could turn it into a generator after you turned it off ... 

i can keep going ...    there ARE NO LIMITS ....

btw i hear it is a good time to get your rocks on .....    might even be a SPECIAL TIME ....  ;) :D ;D :)

they sure are fast little cridders ...  lol   i cant even read them on my 20 mhz scope ... 

but its ok they are just liteing leds ....  ;D  and the leds dont care ...  ;)

i could have pulled a SM  trick and hide it and let the world scrach there heads ....  but we all played that game farrrrrrrrrrr tooooooo  long!!

the scope is on its fastest setting ....
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MrMag on July 07, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
@IST,
Did you take the transistor hfe into account when biasing the base or the current gain for the overall design topology?  ;)

What is the specific reason for choosing the 2n series for the circuit you made?

--giantkiller.

The specific reason is that that is what everyone else in the joule thief thread were using when he joined in.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 07, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
The specific reason is that that is what everyone else in the joule thief thread were using when he joined in.

you can ask pirate when and WHY HE STARTED THAT THRED AND WHERE I WAS POSTING WHEN IT WAS STARTED ....   ;D

THEN IF YOU WANT ....  ILL DIGGG UP MY OLD JT LITE ...   LONG B4 THE THRED WAS STARTED ...

LOL

now ...  i wound a 3/8 ring  wich is lighting 4 ultra brights and i have 2 other ou puts ... lol  at 5 v

yikes

mr maggs ...    are you still not transmitting to recieve?!?!?!?!   :D

btw it is 4 turns 4 wires ...   :P

 Re: The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!
« Reply #153 on: November 19, 2008, 02:52:21 PM » 

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.150

there ya go mr magg....   now do ask why the jt thred was started ......

oh  yea and check the dates .... 

 :P

lol

heres the first post on the jt thred .....  ;)

 Jule Thief
« on: November 20, 2008, 09:07:58 AM »

a good friend of mine owns one of thease ill have him laser me some circuit boards for 15 cents each .... 



Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on July 07, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
@marco

You are way to generous in stating that @stefan is makig so much money on this web site because it is simple your illusion talking. Nothing on this web site would even come close to starting to pay a rent or anything else. No one gets paid for ads placed on their site. They will get 1 cent or less if someone clicks on the link like any Adwords but the majority goes to Google. lol

If you knew how hard it is for web sites to make even a stable income from internet ads, you would not be saying all this stuff about @stefan and I think you owe him an apoligy.

Besides that, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, nice build.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 08, 2009, 12:01:22 AM
Stefan himself said to me he payed the rent with the income from this site.
Are you saying he is lying???

I do not owe anybody anything.

Marco.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on July 08, 2009, 12:36:08 AM
@marco

Nice build , will we have testing results and a video , you have been at it for quite some time now , you are responsible for spreading most of the tpu info we have , you must know all there is by now ...

Yes it look real nice where are you planing to put the circuit and battery ? to make it compact like SM did.

If he did use a battery , after all a inverter at 12 v should light a 100 watt easy ,don't you think ?

And are you using multiple freq ? how many phase ?

You did so much already , now what you enjoy people running after there tale , or just waiting like most for that proof that actually show it can really be reproduced , yes i remember Otto , be he dose admit he doesn't know everything , he is active in helping .

Marc


Without results yes your tpu looks cleaner or better design , but without data , its nothing more then coil , nothing more then ist , without data they are just picture .
Nothing more then what ist is offering , now everyone chose your side , will faith decide.




 
 
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: MrMag on July 08, 2009, 02:44:24 AM
Mk1,

You must be IST's cousin or something. If you want people to take sides, I'm hands down on Marco's side. In the past, Marco has always supplied schematics and given test results good or bad. He also gave very detailed information about his builds. If you were stuck and needed help, Marco was always there to help you along.
Now let's compare this to IST. I've never seen schematics or drawings (other than those supplied by his children). Have never seen a completed unit with test results. And if you ask him any questions he either ignores you or tells you that you don't understand that it is to far advanced.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: giantkiller on July 08, 2009, 03:41:03 AM
Alas...
Anybody can weld with a car battery...

--giantkiller. Shock -n- awh.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on July 08, 2009, 03:44:54 AM
@mrmag

LoL , you are funny , i did not ask you ...


But if you are kind enough please direct up to those detail .

I did work on the jt ,but i am new to the craziness of the tpu i know ist ,he offered me millions , took all i had to give out for nothing , yes he is fishing most of the time (he has so many picture of his trips), dose he know electronic ? not much , if some one offer him big money to build something , he will try to make me do it ... tried 2 or 3 times already .

I am not saying the guy is a god , but he works really hard (even if his aim is off), that is all he can do failing to take time to read boring EE stuff. But after this is all said and done , he still says that he knows everything , but doesn't need to build ... What ever that means ...

But picture are pictures , no data or there are some somewhere , is not useful to anyone . On this forum you need to jump trough hoops to get replication , since everyone so much brighter then the other , making all kinds of mod ...

So i did secede in having people replicate my stuff , ist is one of them , i had to repeat so many times , but that is what i had to do , and if someone ask me again i will redo it .

So yes ist ... he did work for me since he made my stuff with the crazies idea he has .
I did lose some time with him but got stuff back ...

If you don't build it you can't get it wrong ...


I know ist well , i know all i need to know , but for grown man to pick on a easy target
to make then self feel important only show there stupidity , or newbies starting going with the flow , because the grown up do , come on ...

Stop name calling , if he really disturbs you , help him see the light , or don't read his post , but you can't you like him . He helps you feel smarter .



Mark
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 08, 2009, 04:51:31 AM
you all know that 3 stack tpu i built it 2 or 3 times years ago .... 

same old thing ...   

im not going to argue


mark did you do the 3 freq tpu tooo   and reverise engineer the tpu from some stone carveings ....  no sir you did not !!!

thats ok  the ones that have there tpus know who did it !!

thank you ..

william

btw mark  why dont you try 2 freq ... npn and pnp  then runn it through a sm17!!!

 :P

next thing im gonna hear i did not figure out how orbit works and a way to tap it .... 

thats ok tooo

cuz dont matter to me anymore ....  i just wanted to help solve the silly riddle

so HOW DOES MPI WORK ....  :D

and since you all want to be kids ... STAY KIDS!!   NO I WILL NOT LEARN YOU BOUT MY TOYS ...  SORRY

TACION IS NOT FOR YOU !!

oh yea for those that forgot i solved G too  whats G NOW .....   

but you did it all mark ... 

 ;D

you wearing your enlightenment tesla sheild yet ...  lol  :D

im pretty sure a global release is in store soon  ;)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 08, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
@marco

Nice build , will we have testing results and a video , you have been at it for quite some time now , you are responsible for spreading most of the tpu info we have , you must know all there is by now ...

Yes it look real nice where are you planing to put the circuit and battery ? to make it compact like SM did.

If he did use a battery , after all a inverter at 12 v should light a 100 watt easy ,don't you think ?

And are you using multiple freq ? how many phase ?

You did so much already , now what you enjoy people running after there tale , or just waiting like most for that proof that actually show it can really be reproduced , yes i remember Otto , be he dose admit he doesn't know everything , he is active in helping .

Marc


Without results yes your tpu looks cleaner or better design , but without data , its nothing more then coil , nothing more then ist , without data they are just picture .
Nothing more then what ist is offering , now everyone chose your side , will faith decide.

Hi

I am currently testing with powerfull deep cycle batteries, but i already noticed it works very well on small batteries too.
When i connected the oscillators, which were fed by a 9volts battery, the fields already started moving.
Then i connected the main battery and it didn't make that much of a diffrence.
There is always room for a few small batteries. :)

There is not really need for inverters to power 100 Watt lightbulbs because the tpu is a high voltage high current device, so it will power lightbulbs directly.
However, most grid designed appliances run on a sine wave and the tpu is not capable feeding those devices, so then a modified sine, or a true sine inverter must be used.

Below you can see the signals i used for the first test.
It is basically 3 phase shifted square waves.
This didn't work out too well and somebody started yelling "capacitors, capacitors" to me.  :)
So i switched in a 330u over each mosfet output stage and it imediatly worked alot better.
But i am still convinced after these tests that, IF IT NEEDS TO GO FAST, THE SIGNALS HAVE TO BE CLEAN.
NOISE WILL SLOW IT DOWN.
So that said, if squares are used there is so much harmonic components, and noise that it cannot go fast.
It is as if any signal other then the needed one poisiones overall performance, lowering maximum velocity.
So if it has to be clean, it cannot have corners.

These tests are only to see what happens at what speed.

Marco.
Small Video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=310 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=310)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 08, 2009, 12:54:47 PM
By the way, these DC-AC inverters are so small these days, they will also fit right into a tpu, making it a wonderfull personal portable power supply. :) :)

Marco.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: wattsup on July 08, 2009, 01:47:54 PM
@marco

Connection Hunch:

Each of three phases has an in and an out.
Put all three phase outs together in parallel. Put a capacitor on phase two in and connect other end to phase one in. Then just apply only one sine wave pulse on phase two and three ins.

This will simulate the RV technique using three phases connected Wye and run with only one phase.

wattsup
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: turbo on July 08, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
Hello Wattsup  :)

I don't think you understand.
I am using pulsed DC.
The AC sine has got field reveral and i don't need that.
I want it to run in one direction only.

Marco.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 08, 2009, 06:32:35 PM
just thought i would add a picture of my 4 turn 4 wire jt

im also mesureing  my 22 gage 50 turn coils for my bobbins got 30 wires so far ...

i choose 50 turn it has worked in past tests i choose 22 ga cuz it can handle a little power  ;D

and 45 bobbins thats 15 15 15  but i like the configuration as i can hook it up any way i want and change the whole thing in a split second ...  :)


great work as always marco ...  are your videos for sale on line so some of the really far behind ones can catch up ?

and if they dont want to learn they deserve to PAY A DEER PRICE FOR A VIDEO ...  ;)

just my thoughts ...

ist!
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: weri812 on July 08, 2009, 07:11:23 PM
hello Marco


Seen your pictures  :D  saw your video  ;D

Well done  ;D ;D ;D ;D

God Bless all
wer
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: Mk1 on July 08, 2009, 11:04:31 PM
@Marco


Thank you very much.

Marc
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 09, 2009, 05:51:20 PM
45 bobbin tpu unit

almost finished winding all the little units ... 

here is 3 pics ... 

this WILL OPERATE ON 2 FREQS PER/ GROUP OF COILS ...  ;) ;D

IST

the ringinggggg colapse will be fed through the collector from all 3  and then kicked in the ass!

hence the second freq ..   ;)

so the transistors showen in the pic are pnp i will run them from the chaser unit ...  i may need to switch to mosfets ...  but i will try it this way first ..   ;D     

the pnp units in this setup wich is diffrent than other setups ....    :D   turn on the npn transistors wich ringggggg the coils ... so as soon as coil 1 pulse comes along it ringggs and colapses sends a surge through the collector after it being rectified... only pos will flow through the collector it then gets squeezed with the other coils on the way out ... 

dont be stupid with this ...  it can get crazy ....  forget close looping it ....it will burn out fast
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 10, 2009, 07:00:40 AM
here is a scope shoot of a 2 freq pulse train i mannaged to get running ... 

it took a lot of trys to get this on cam

ist


what 3 of thease feeding that collector ....  hummmm


here is a pic of the coil that the scope shoot  came from  spikes are bout 130v 20/div

the chaser in the post above this one is what is driveing this coil .... that is the result out of  my pickup winding
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: stprue on July 10, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
here is a scope shoot of a 2 freq pulse train i mannaged to get running ... 

it took a lot of trys to get this on cam

ist


what 3 of thease feeding that collector ....  hummmm


here is a pic of the coil that the scope shoot  came from  spikes are bout 130v 20/div

the chaser in the post above this one is what is driveing this coil .... that is the result out of  my pickup winding

So it is this coil that is excelerating and not the prod.  Got it.  ist can you post a top view pic in the JT topic for us so we can replicate?  I think we are all getting closer to sloving the tpu mystery!!! ;)
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 12, 2009, 09:08:20 AM
hers my next level visual ... 

coil

IST 5555 COIL ..  all wound ...  finally

3 phase pulse coil jt .. 
1.25" feroite black toroide ..
5 50 turn 100" 26 ga magnetwire generator coils ..
5 mk2 6 turn transformers / feedback windings ..
5 mk2 12 turn generator windings ..
1 6 lap 22 gage collector/ accelerator winding .. 

this is a 2 freq 3 phase  dc power supply unit ..
runs on 5 volts and has small neo magnets involved ..

will run on the chaser posted above ..  will have a switchable sorce / feedback battery system

and i will load it up with 4vdc lead acid batteries ..  probally charge them at 12 v there bouts .. we will see how it goes ...

ist

here is a picture of the finished unit all wound ..  ;D 8)

there is actually 42 ends .. to wire it up ... 


just basic toys ...  :D  can you handle the advanced ones !?!?!?!?!?!

Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: innovation_station on July 16, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
thinking of building this unit bigger...

so i will do so .. 

it will have 6 phases ...  and runn off 2 supplies..  so when the first supply goes dead .. ill switch to the second .. and recharge the first ... so i can flip flop on the supply and still have a constant output ...

so how could this POWER AN ELECTRIC CAR ...  LOL  with out self distructing ... well cuz i will control it on the input side .. 

and i see no reason this can not be scaled to ANY SIZE

the proof of this is wayyyyyy back in time when the guys would switch OFF THE OLD EDISION GENERATORS ... 

lets just say if the KICK ONLY WORKS WITH VOLTAGE ...  then wayyyyy back when ... WHAT KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE ..   it was not the voltage ..  :D

and if you argue this ...  my arguement  is edisions generators NEVER PRODUCED AMPRAGE... !?!?!?!?!

LOL

WAKE UP !!

WILL I AM
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: stprue on July 16, 2009, 06:19:10 PM
hers my next level visual ... 

coil

IST 5555 COIL ..  all wound ...  finally

3 phase pulse coil jt .. 
1.25" feroite black toroide ..
5 50 turn 100" 26 ga magnetwire generator coils ..
5 mk2 6 turn transformers / feedback windings ..
5 mk2 12 turn generator windings ..
1 6 lap 22 gage collector/ accelerator winding .. 

this is a 2 freq 3 phase  dc power supply unit ..
runs on 5 volts and has small neo magnets involved ..

will run on the chaser posted above ..  will have a switchable sorce / feedback battery system

and i will load it up with 4vdc lead acid batteries ..  probally charge them at 12 v there bouts .. we will see how it goes ...

ist

here is a picture of the finished unit all wound ..  ;D 8)

there is actually 42 ends .. to wire it up ... 


just basic toys ...  :D  can you handle the advanced ones !?!?!?!?!?!

Great work IST  now scale it up and hook it up to the high tork electric motor tesla designed......there's the new hybrid.
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: kooler on October 20, 2009, 03:28:36 AM
hello,
i been using this simple strobe circuit to power my air coil tpu
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: EMdevices on October 20, 2009, 04:05:19 AM
kooler,
how often does the neon and SCR fire?  It's in the Hz range, correct?
EM
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: kooler on October 20, 2009, 04:11:43 AM
its a small transformer...
it fires 2-3 times a second
i think...
i have not played with it to much
been a bit under the weather

you can use the output thru a diode back to cap to make it fire faster...
it just takes about 15-30 seconds to wind up... that was what i was doing with a 150uf 400v cap
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: kooler on October 21, 2009, 02:44:46 AM
i forgot to say that yes this is just a few hz.
but this isn't what i am collecting from
there are two extra coils mounted on this aircoil
one on top and one bottom... and they both hook to 1-2 transformers
onced induced the hz quad triple...
you collect your output from the top or bottom coils...
 
i'll keep you all updated soon as i get to do more
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on October 01, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
Thanks Loner

Anyone ever heard of the Tolman-Stewart experiment?

A very long wire was connected to a very sensitive meter. The wire was then rotated at 4000rpm. The long wire length allowed it to twist together as it spun. The coil was then brought to a stop in a fraction of a second.  The result was the conduction electrons carried on moving after the bulk of the metal had stopped.

These moving electrons produced a tiny pulse of current through the coil that was measurable on the meter.

Tolman and Stewart then analysed their data to find the charge to mass ratio of the current carriers in various metals and found these agreed with the known charge to mass ratio of the electron in free space.

On a slightly different note, does anyone else have a problem with the generally accepted SM design of the control coils being wrapped radially around the collector coils?  It just seems to me that in this configuration, the magnetic field induced by the contol coils into the collector would be far from optimum.

The way the coils are wound will no doubt be of utmost importance given that there appears to be very little to a SM TPU.

Bifilar winding configurations may well play an important part in the operation of the device, as on the one hand we can have a bifilar coil connected in such a way as to cancel out the inductive reactance and hence be left only with a pure resistance, and on the other hand a bifilar can be connected to get the magnifying effect Tesla spoke about whereby the coil can store many times the energy of a standard wound coil.  Two very interesting effects.
.....


hello all again,
it's been a  long time for a reply on this post i know, but i've just found it so here it is
for the ones who are still following this see the attached pdfs on stewart tolman effect
if one jerk (fast and short acceleration ) a piece of conductor u'll get a current in the same direction as the movement.
sm talked about a piece of wire a source of current the magnetic field of the earth a mean to see whats comming out from that wire. now see it that way u have a conductor( wire) placed in the earth's magnetic field so that it will jerk when the current pass. attach a osci to the wire but so that u can see the stewart tolman current(direction of that current is the same as the jerk direcction).
so there is a kick
if u want to make another setup take a loop of iron (a conductor and also magnetic) take a biffilar coilsetup(as per spherics posts) arround it and pulse that biffilar coil so that the iron loop is magnetized by the first pulse and before that one is gone the delayed pulse will jerk the conductor getting you the current u're looking for. take 3 biffilar setups arround the loop so that u can jerk the iron conductor faster and u'll get that pulsed dc output and the vibration and the giro effect and if the iron is big u'll get also some problems with eddy currents. all things sm is talking about.just my 2 euro cents
cheers
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: tsl on October 02, 2013, 12:56:44 AM
One more thing.note that the "induced" current is not interferring with the initial pulse.one can use the resulting pulse to pulse the kicker coils to generate another pulse resulting a positive Feedback.also no Lenz coupling between the collector and the Kicker coils.
tpu = tolman Power Unit ?
Cheers
Title: Re: New TPU build
Post by: forest on October 02, 2013, 08:04:13 PM
:-)