Does cause a little concern though doesn't it. A least there seems to be no affinity to lightning from the SM TPU.

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Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and
dissipate more energy then the smaller ones.
However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much
difference...
There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.

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If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the
heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent
of a lightning strike of the unit.
That of course ends the operation of the unit but can also prove to be
rather dramatic and also somewhat dangerous if you are in close
proximity to the power unit.

Nikola.

@BEP

Just in case you read this, here is my vulgarization of the BEMF issue. lol

BEMF equals CEMF and are part of the process of saturating a coil. As power is applied to the coil, there is a counter force working against the inrush and this prevents the coil from being instantly saturated. It's like a coils' natural internal protection system saying to the energy source, "Feed me, but don't blow me away".

We should know that inductors (coils) discharge when they are disconnected whereas capacitors discharge when they are connected.

So when you disconnect the coil from the power source the field inside and around the coil collapses or recedes and there is a nice return discharge that is called Flyback, not BEMF or CEMF.

You cannot collect BEMF and CEMF since it is expended only during the inrush that happens when the coil is connected to a power or pulse source.

BEMF and CEMF are not the cause of drag or motor cogging either.

You CAN collect or recapture Flyback. It can even kill you if the coil is big enough.

Guys that say they are capturing the BEMF are actually capturing Flyback.

In any case BEMF is exacly that. When there is EMF applied, there is a reverse EMF applied also and that is why we call it Back EMF. You cannot apply a reverse EMF if there is no EMF. This only happens while the coil is connected. The coil can only collapse when it is disconnected at which time both the EMF and the BEMF are impossible to even exist.

We should actually just forget about BEMF and CEMF because there is nothing you can do with it. Many guys here know but they will not correct every member when they say BEMF simply because we would be spending all our days repeating the same thing.

Now if the above is totally wrong, this gives even more reason to then call the collapsing field of a disconnected coil something else other then BEMF and CEMF since these two are causing major misunderstandings. But for me Flyback is the best term for the juice we are all looking to capture.

PS: Some other thing about Flyback. Why is Flyback voltage so high? Could it be because while applied power to a coil meets the BEMF to slow it down, when the source is disconnected to produce Flyback, the Flyback energy does not encounter any counter force while it is receding or returning to the source. BANG. Otherwise we would have BEMF to counter the EMF and then CounterFlyback (CFB) to counter the Flyback (FB). Is this fun or what?

so i went for a digg last night found this picture


what about a jt to cause rotation and pump the colapse throught the collectors .. 

i bet it will work thanks to aluka for the pen art drawing

ist

i guess ill build 1 of thease ...    i will use pancake coils ...  i will start with 1 and 4 coils just like this dwg ...

i started a build useing this design ...   

55 " bifillar speeker wire ..  14ga  this will be a 3 turn pancake COLLECTOR COIL.....

so i soldered the 2 seprate ends as 1 wire... on the INSIDE OF THE COLLECTOR COIL

so in essience we have a MK2 collector style coil ...   it goes in and it comes back out  but ontop of each other unlike the toroide mk2 unit ...  still the same operation aplies ... the induced or squeezed collector runns 2 dirrections

OTTO'S TEST ..... sound good ?!?!?!?!   50 turns / control coil 200 per collector ... all 1 wire hummmmmmmmmmm

i have lots of 28 ga wire ...  maybe ill try that ...

50 turns of 28 ga is 82" with 2 6" leads ...

i knew i had those rings machined for a reason ...... 

can i ask what sauron  was thinking ........


lol

just another old picture.... 

got all my bobbins 48 of them

thank you WALMART!!   8 BUCKS 2 BUCKS A BOX OF 12 ...

ill take some pics of the bobbins im useing  the ground wire un sheilded and  the coil

b4 i wind it ... 


ist!

in my last picture here i see 4 stops and so far 25 bucks ...   2 dollar stores ..  wallmart and the hardware store ... 

ground wire ... bout  8 bucks bobbins 8 bucks disposable camera (cap) and a cfl for the toroide ..  and the battery came for the camera   but i can simplfly it yet ...  4401  or a 2222  or a 3055 might work well .. 

now back 2 my sm tpu stack ... 

where did everyone go ...  it is the 3rd act ...  lol


mk1 ....  what do you think im gonna put on here next ? 

i remember sm saying 3 coils ....  placed 1 on top of the other  yep  well that means just that ...  lol

so next on each ring i will wind an equal mass coil in the mk2 winding configuration to grab as a generator and as a transformer ...  just cuz i can ...  there will be 12 of thease 1 on top of each other coil they will be hooked up in 3's if i have enough diodes they will be indivually bridge rectified ...  thats 48 diodes in those feed back coils alone ...    but it will aid the coil ...  if i choose it to ..  now

if phased properly in the stack as the drawing shows it shows out of phase rotation would be like 

-    0    -    0
0    -    0    -
-    0    -    0

see the pattern ... 

ist

winding mk2 picup coils over the control wires


my 50 turn controls of 28 gage magnet wire 82" long weigh 1.5 grams ea

so i will make mk2 pickups of equal mass 1.5 grams 22 gage ... 1.5 grams of 22 ga is 21 "

so 1.5 grams of 22 ga gets me 4 turns up and 4 turns back with 4" leads ...

i will finish all 12

Well Well if it isn't the innovation station 

I didn't know you were building again 

How are you going to drive that thing?

Marco.

i was thinking something like this.... 

but i think i better make it a little more complicated than that ....   

maybe 1 of thease ....


BTW there is no need to self feed this coil ..  i want people to play safely ... use a aaa to start with ... i bet it can go haywire fast ... 

if i were to use a magic magnet  i would have it self feed ... and just swipe the magnet past a seprate tuned circuit to produce the first charge in a cap then let the switch take over ...

but i like the forced tuned method useing a jt then i can tune it with ease ... 

ist

well i guess ill wind the final wrap and add all the bridge rectifiers ..

for the final wrap i will fill the coil  probally use bifillar speeker wire and split the positive from the collectors  useing diodes  also i will likely put diodes between the collector coils .. to flip the ac to dc and runn with the grain of the flow ... 

The last few posts clearly illustrate why people like myself get so disheartened by the forum.

While Hartmann in is wisdom allows illiterate idiots to dominate the forum like a rampant plague, any intelligent discussion will forever be extremely hampered or lost under piles of garbage.

What I find hard to comprehend is that Hartmann actually gave me a ban warning on the Electrolysis boards for expressing an opinion, while actually accusing me of spreading misinfo!! And given all the seriously foul-mouthed language that was coming from some of the more fanatical retards there, I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 

One thing is for sure, something has to give if these forums are ever going to be given any real credibilty by people with very real credentials.