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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #285 on: July 01, 2009, 05:15:20 PM »
The simulation does not show BEMF. If you have it then you have no kick. If any part of the pulse goes below ground then the kick is nulled. It is delicate. Nature abhors a vacuum. Class AB amplifier would be a good example of this negating this process. You'll notice the height of the kick in the previous simulation because there is no negative part.
Podkletnov: CEMF effect allows the recoil to null the kick effect. The kick is to propel the standing wave incrementally forward from the source to the destination of farther out, increasing the radius. The Searl device holds the standing wave at bay because of the mechanical distance rotors fron the stators. Podkletnov and Brown sent the standing wave away at incredible distances and speed.
Look at the kick like the return reading of a metal detector.  8)

The first rotovertor has the generator side by side or dual parallel axis and this configuration works beautifully. The reconfiguration on the same axis has a preponderance of tuning issues. Any takers?

If this info is not in line or spec with this thread then many apologies.

--Ji'an K'ylar.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #285 on: July 01, 2009, 05:15:20 PM »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #286 on: July 01, 2009, 05:58:03 PM »
BACK EMF vs CEMF confusion!

I always thought that CEMF was exactly the same as BEMF. When I was at college in England we used the term BEMF - never CEMF. I assumed CEMF was simply the Americanized way of saying the same thing, because of the use of the word 'counter'. In America they would say counter-clockwise, in England we would say anti-clockwise... or backwards.

I see some people are claiming that BEMF and CEMF are two different things, but if you check it out, most people/websites seem to think it is a different way of saying the same thing.  Is this not the case?

In any case, what simulation are you refering to GK?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #287 on: July 01, 2009, 06:03:04 PM »
Seems like someone is finally catching on. TPU = Motionless induction motor/generator.

Single oscillator, phase shifted to drive a 3 phase stator (control Coils) with a rotor/pickup (collector).

Using multiple control coils/stator coils, one on top of the other (sound familar Farraday?) to increase output field, use more collectors to collect more of the field. simple induction and generator theory.

very simple to do really.

Have fun, be careful.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #287 on: July 01, 2009, 06:03:04 PM »
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #288 on: July 01, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »
For clarity's sake please Wiki CEMF and Back-EMF.
They are certainly different. I didn't see the term 'BEMF' until I started to use the web for this work. CEMF should be found in any electical tech manual written in English and probably most translations.

In any case, know the difference and don't let others confuse you because most don't know the difference.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #289 on: July 01, 2009, 07:24:49 PM »
BEP

Did that, but Wiki would seem to be the only reference to the two being different things. Like I said, at college in England (ok, it was a few years ago now) I never even encountered the term CEMF - our inductor theory talked only about BEMF.

The fact that you hadn't heard the term BEMF until you started to use the web does rather tend to indicate it is a language issue rather than a distinctly different phenomenon.

However, I do feel we need to clarify this point. Can you provide another reference other than Wiki?  A single reference could be wrong and is not really acceptable. The majority of websites talk about the two terms as if they are a different way of saying the same thing. Wiki would seem to be in the minority.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00351.htm

http://ayyarao.blog.co.in/files/2008/07/notes-8.pdf

http://campus.murraystate.edu/tsm/tsm118/Ch7/Ch7_4/Ch7_4.htm

I personally think we are simply using different terms to describe the same thing.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 08:42:26 PM by Farrah Day »

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Re: New TPU build
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #290 on: July 01, 2009, 08:01:32 PM »
The majority of websites talk about the two terms as if they are a different way of saying the same thing.

This is the way I learnt it at electronics college and most books describe the same thing using either term interchangably.  Inductive spikes are not back emf, surely they will also have back back emf acting against them due to lenz law>!


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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #291 on: July 01, 2009, 08:14:22 PM »
Agreed Dave

Inductive spikes may well be something different altogether, but as far as what is implied by BEMF and CEMF, I truly believe that the confusion here has been created by people who have had no formal training thinking that the two terms are different phenomenons... and Wikipedia!

American = CEMF
UK = BEMF

Therefore BEMF = CEMF

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #292 on: July 01, 2009, 08:30:34 PM »
Agreed Dave

Inductive spikes may well be something different altogether, but as far as what is implied by BEMF and CEMF, I truly believe that the confusion here has been created by people who have had no formal training thinking that the two terms are different phenomenons... and Wikipedia!

American = CEMF
UK = BEMF

Therefore BEMF = CEMF
Farrah Day,

Thanks for looking into that...  Every once in a while Wiki fails,  I guess this is good example of that.    I had feeling BEMF/CEMF were the same exact  thing  but I didn't investigate....    This just goes to show how  crap information  can "circulate" around here as facts.   Be skeptical, people...




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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #293 on: July 01, 2009, 09:31:03 PM »
@FD,
I was referring to the kick simulation picture.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #293 on: July 01, 2009, 09:31:03 PM »
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #294 on: July 01, 2009, 11:09:56 PM »
@Loner,
Probably...
Got a swiss cheese map for OU space navigation.
A gabillion threads.

'I certainly doubt it will help in TPU construction' Now invert your view on this statement and it adds a whole new dimension to the motor control with music theory and resonance.
We have covered this all before so now I apply it clearly. Motors, music, virtual rotors, antennas. All in one unit. See why this is spread out so far? Look at a virual rotor motor like a resonant antenna in the 5khz range.

Our largest of buildings for open groups are modeled after echo chambers for perfect resonance in the focused audio range.
 

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #295 on: July 02, 2009, 01:36:36 AM »
HELOO ALL
 
tesla whas discoveret longtime ago how isposible to spin in one direction to spin his rotor 

WHIT AC VOLTAGE
IF AC IS more then 60 or 50 hz   did  the rotor whill spin fats <yes>
and now  the same elktromagnet force fild of that motor  be all the time the same  and if you increasing only the hz  rotor whill be spin more fast
NOW WORDS  FROM <S.M>

........ IF YOU HAVE VERY SMALL MAGNET  AND MOVE FAST IN TO THE COIL  WHIT SPEED  OF GUN BULYT ...
AND NOW .. THE ELLTROMAGNET IS THE SAME FORCE WHIT NO CHANGE THE FORCE  AND ONLY INCREASIN THE  SPEED 

IS HERE SOMETHING LIKE  S.M SAYS ???

IM VONDERING WHAT IS THE SPEED  OF S.M SMALL ELKTROMAGNET FILD IN TO THE  T.P.U
IS IT  5000 TURNING IN ONE SECOND  OF THAT VERY SMALL  ELKTROMAGNET FILD

P.S  . MANNIX I   ASK MY SELF  WHAT I WHILL DO  WHIT  MY METER IN MY HOUSE IS STILL  RUNING FAST ,,HOW TO SLOW DOWN>
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Re: New TPU build
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #296 on: July 02, 2009, 02:57:35 AM »
re: The difference between force, [Back]-force (?) and released potential

Very well, I failed to consider how the meaning of words change over a few years. I also forgot, for a moment, why I migrated to a closed forum. I should have kept my promise to stay out of your thread. I thought I was being helpful.

From the dull stab I would say the effort wasn’t appreciated.

One thing is certain. Judging by the subjects on this forum none should compare credentials. There is no danger of harm during a fall from the stack of these credentials.

I’ll leave you folks to charge your batteries with BEMF and the reinvention of the electric motor.

Theories evolve. I’ll check the beach, once in a while, for your arrival.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #297 on: July 02, 2009, 11:08:17 AM »
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Oppps.   BEP, Have I shoved my foot in my mouth?

Loner, you're too sensitive my friend.

BEP wanted clarity on the issue... he got it. Job done.

If he should feel anyway aggrieved that the outcome didn't go his way then that is an issue for himself to deal with, it was never anything personal.

So Loner, are you yet in a position to collaborate on a project?

My thinking is this. If we could decide on a design that offers the most promise, then both carefully build the same thing, we could always rely on the other person to confirm results... or not.  Also, given that we would no doubt be using different test equipment, any anomalies that show up when we both have identical designs might be extremely imformative.

What do you say?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #298 on: July 02, 2009, 12:22:28 PM »
Loner, you have no doubt seen this, but I think it is worth revisiting again, for me at least now in a new light.

http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

Page 19 onwards.

The Bob Boyce electrolyser apparently exceeds Faradays limit for a given power input by 600-1000%.

He wraps his output coil all the way around a toroidal former, before then wrapping 3 input coils on top of that, each of which is provided with a different frequency signal.

Looking at it again now, it seems quite possible that the results he was getting were likely all to do with his toroidal coil set up and very little to do with the design of the electrolyser itself. Interesting.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #299 on: July 02, 2009, 08:48:59 PM »
Yes that rings a bell now about old Boycie. Didn't he get struck by lightning twice... and lived to tell the tale.

I guess he either was really creating some sort of energy vortex... or someone upstairs doesn't like him very much  ;)

Does cause a little concern though doesn't it. A least there seems to be no affinity to lightning from the SM TPU.

OK, I'll leave you to finish your projects and I'll start with a Boyce look-a-like coil configuration and take it from there. I'll get some photos up as I go for the record.

Not sure what to do about the core at present though. If SM had a core it would appear to simply be coils of wire. Boyce details his ferrite-like former.

Important question. The core. Did you use a toroidal transformer core?

 

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