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Offline dankie

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #270 on: June 28, 2009, 05:55:17 PM »
Marco, You need to be open to criticism...  Sometimes experimenters will rediscover something that's already well known and naively try to make a big deal out of it.    Without criticism or skeptics you have a cult essentially;  a  place where everyone believes everything, and they never question what they're told. ..    Have you ever been to www.energeticforum.com?  ...  Lots of smart people there, and very few a-holes,  but hardly any skepticism at all...      People are spending 1000s of hours on dead end projects.

Newbie , I see you are still here , acting smart , doing nothing , being a dependtard ... as always ...


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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #270 on: June 28, 2009, 05:55:17 PM »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #271 on: June 28, 2009, 07:43:14 PM »
Newbie , I see you are still here , acting smart , doing nothing , being a dependtard ... as always ...

Dankie, I want to get to the bottom of all the Free Energy claims just as much as anyone else....     I just refuse to play the nonsensical games that 90 percent of the folks here play.   "dependtard" Lol...    I'm not asking for a handout just a productive discussion. 




Ok.. I'm done ranting now....    (ignore list ftw)




 


« Last Edit: June 28, 2009, 08:59:04 PM by newbie123 »

Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #272 on: June 28, 2009, 08:08:57 PM »
Well this proved to be a totally pointless exercise in team work and collaboration.

And to top it all, now enter Dankie into the foray to give 'Inexplicably Stupid' a run for his money and some real competition for the 'Most Stupid Person Ever to Post' award.

Now we get a double-dose of mindless drivel. Holding on to your sanity is about to get a whole lot harder!


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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #272 on: June 28, 2009, 08:08:57 PM »
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Offline Goat

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #273 on: June 28, 2009, 08:21:46 PM »
Hi Farrah

Have you looked into the work that Otto did and the otto_ronette_TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf he had posted?

Seems that he's the only one who claims he's able to get anything out of an actual TPU build.

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Paul

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #274 on: June 28, 2009, 11:18:00 PM »
@farrah day
if you don't mind,
try to forget all you've seen on this board about the tpu,remember only the videos and the faq about the tpu(manix letters) and let all the other trash behind. now please come with a theory about how such a device would work in order to tap the magnetic field of the earth.nothing more nothing less.take it as a new begin

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #274 on: June 28, 2009, 11:18:00 PM »
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Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #275 on: June 29, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »
Thanks Loner

Anyone ever heard of the Tolman-Stewart experiment?

A very long wire was connected to a very sensitive meter. The wire was then rotated at 4000rpm. The long wire length allowed it to twist together as it spun. The coil was then brought to a stop in a fraction of a second.  The result was the conduction electrons carried on moving after the bulk of the metal had stopped.

These moving electrons produced a tiny pulse of current through the coil that was measurable on the meter.

Tolman and Stewart then analysed their data to find the charge to mass ratio of the current carriers in various metals and found these agreed with the known charge to mass ratio of the electron in free space.

On a slightly different note, does anyone else have a problem with the generally accepted SM design of the control coils being wrapped radially around the collector coils?  It just seems to me that in this configuration, the magnetic field induced by the contol coils into the collector would be far from optimum.

The way the coils are wound will no doubt be of utmost importance given that there appears to be very little to a SM TPU.

Bifilar winding configurations may well play an important part in the operation of the device, as on the one hand we can have a bifilar coil connected in such a way as to cancel out the inductive reactance and hence be left only with a pure resistance, and on the other hand a bifilar can be connected to get the magnifying effect Tesla spoke about whereby the coil can store many times the energy of a standard wound coil.  Two very interesting effects.

Furthermore, I know there is a lot of talk about pulsing 3 different signals to 3 separate control coils, but I for one would be extremely surprised if SM had this amount of electronics incorporated anywhere on a TPU. A small, very basic 555 oscillator cct, yes, maybe, but anything more complex than that I seriously doubt.  So why not simply concentrate on the one signal input and produce the phase differentials between the coils as Tesla did.

http://helpinghandconsulting.com/tesla/patents/00416193.pdf

« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 01:30:06 PM by Farrah Day »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #276 on: June 29, 2009, 05:41:04 PM »

Anyone ever heard of the Tolman-Stewart experiment?

So why not simply concentrate on the one signal input and produce the phase differentials between the coils as Tesla did.

http://helpinghandconsulting.com/tesla/patents/00416193.pdf

Thanks.

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« Reply #276 on: June 29, 2009, 05:41:04 PM »
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #277 on: June 29, 2009, 05:59:15 PM »
Thanks.


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« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 06:58:06 PM by innovation_station »

Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #278 on: June 29, 2009, 07:09:46 PM »
Some of you might also find this link of interest:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/9.html

Think about how SM's TPU was said to slowly build up to speed/power and the possibility of the magnet to kick start it!

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #278 on: June 29, 2009, 07:09:46 PM »
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #279 on: June 29, 2009, 07:37:02 PM »
Some of you might also find this link of interest:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/9.html

Think about how SM's TPU was said to slowly build up to speed/power and the possibility of the magnet to kick start it!

Interesting circuit.    But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?


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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #280 on: June 29, 2009, 07:49:13 PM »
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But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?

Nb, I'd not thought too hard about it, just threw it into the pot. To be honest I don't trust the generally accepted SM TPU design one iota... or anything that the supposed SM stated.

But I like the idea of an induction motor whereby the electrons are the armature providing the drive power.

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Re: New TPU build
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« Reply #281 on: June 29, 2009, 08:12:23 PM »

But I like the idea of an induction motor whereby the electrons are the armature providing the drive power.

Interesting thought.. I'm going try to figure out the gyroscopic claim later.  If it's possible for electrons to have a circular flow faster than mms/s   w/o vaporizing the circuit, your theory might be a good one.


Offline wings

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #282 on: June 29, 2009, 10:46:32 PM »
Interesting circuit.    But if the magnet was just used to "kick start" the current flow, and not a key component..   Why wouldn't he just brush the magnet over the coil?   And why would removing the magnet stop the current flow?

http://www.youtube.com/v/SMy04e0M0ec
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-28365-0.html&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight

http://www.dos4ever.com/ring/ring.html




Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #283 on: June 29, 2009, 10:48:25 PM »
Add this to what we suspect might be happening and things start to look a lot more promising:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/7.html

I accept that nothing here explains any kind of ZPE element that SM's TPU might well be tapping into in order to exhibit apparent OU, but it is a very down-to-earth place to start.

Offline Farrah Day

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« Reply #284 on: June 30, 2009, 10:13:50 AM »
Hi Loner, thanks.

Though I may well be way off the mark, this is my take on things so far.

If we liken SM's device to a polyphase induction motor, but instead of providing the stator with out of phase sinewaves, we pulse the coils at a much higher frequency in order to create the CEMF that so interests us.

The armature (effectively the SM collector coil) we do not want to move - which maybe explains the vibrations as no doubt if wired accordingly it will be attempting to do so.

But no, we want what effectively is our armature to stay put. We do not want the mechanical energy that the device could possibly provide us with, we want electrical energy. Unlike Tesla, we are not looking to convert electrical energy into mechanical energy, we merely  :) want more out than we put in.

While there is CEMF in the control coils (stator) there will always be an innefficiency unless we can make put to use this CEMF pulse elsewhere. But surely our collector too will also suffer from this problem, so inhibiting the energy output... unless perhaps we wound it in a bifilar configuration whereby there is no CEMF in the collector, so no inductive reactance, just very low resistance.

These are the lines along which I intend to undertake my first experiments.

I now just have to decide on the best way to configure control and collector coils in order to simulate a solid state Tesla polyphase induction motor.


 

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