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Offline Yucca

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #210 on: June 26, 2009, 09:30:30 PM »
FarrahDay,

I´m not sure if you´ve read the thread below as it´s not in the TPU section.

Build such a device and it may give you gyroscopic action and unexplained voltage output way above normal theoretical transformer action.

Considering it is only excited by two 90deg phased pure sin of 1 freq the anomolous higer voltage is very strange since no switching inductive kickback is happening (ala joule thief). Also because only 1 freq is involved there is no possibility of hetorodyning. Also it was not overdriven so higher freq interference was not happening. The fact he reported higher voltage is very interesting despite it being only small current.

It´s a refreshingly straight talking thread, shame the main player (room3327) had the crap hacked out of his PC and left.

Some improvements are needed, like using a core material capable of much higher freq and so higher virtual RPM.

I will be building something similar using a handwound laminated metglass and insulating film core pretty soon and slowly posting any results on said thread. I will be makng the core quite thin so I can saturate it without biasing.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6774.0
« Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 01:38:44 AM by Yucca »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #210 on: June 26, 2009, 09:30:30 PM »

Offline powerunlimited

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #211 on: June 27, 2009, 01:17:07 AM »
To Farrah Day:
       
Be carefull not to fall into a trap, the spherics thread is SMs vehicle
to confuse and misdirect people.SM never worked with anyone he hid everything
fear that someone would steal hes secrets.
However it will give you a good view of hes thinking and mind.
Jack Durban also talked about SM being secretive and working alone.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #212 on: June 27, 2009, 07:58:29 AM »
I find this incredibly interesting. Who knows who is twisting who.

The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago. The notched pvc coil that Marco showed. That was 1 and was duplicated by JDO300 and I. Only 2 other copies of this intensely detailed marvel exist or so we've seen. It has 24 inductors in series or 3 sets of 8.

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« Reply #212 on: June 27, 2009, 07:58:29 AM »
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Offline powerunlimited

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #213 on: June 27, 2009, 09:13:48 AM »
Untill you can make a self sustaining unit,not tied to a power source
 only then can you claim a victory.You lack leadership, someone who is flexable,
 coherent,logical,structured and lacks ego.You have been tricked by SM,whos
been here since the beginning,setting traps
and the direction you go is in a circle.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #214 on: June 27, 2009, 10:50:43 AM »
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To Farrah Day:
       
Be carefull not to fall into a trap, the spherics thread is SMs vehicle
to confuse and misdirect people.SM never worked with anyone he hid everything
fear that someone would steal hes secrets.
However it will give you a good view of hes thinking and mind.
Jack Durban also talked about SM being secretive and working alone.

Funny you should say this as I've recently spoke to someone off-forum about this. My concern with Spherics is that his design would appear to be totally theoretical and why would anyone attempt to build an 'unknown' design from a concept when at least it appears that the original SM device worked?  It is only logical to initially try to replicate a 'more proven' device that is shown working.  Why Spherics would only post a couple of times and then be unavailable for further discussion also concerns me.

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I find this incredibly interesting. Who knows who is twisting who.

The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago. The notched pvc coil that Marco showed. That was 1 and was duplicated by JDO300 and I. Only 2 other copies of this intensely detailed marvel exist or so we've seen. It has 24 inductors in series or 3 sets of 8.

There is more than likely a lot of misinfo on this forum, much generated through simple ignorance, but some carefully and intelligently deployed.

I have yet to confirm the SM coil layout.

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The multiple inductors in series has already been shown here 2 years ago.

Can you point me to this GK?

In a report by Ronald Schinzinger posted by Mannix, Schinzinger states, quote:

'It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because the inventor ended the demonstration after 1.5 hours'.

This of course flies in the face of Durbans 19 to 20 mins max operating time.

This part of Schinzinger's report I also found interesting, quote:

'After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controllor box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance'

Note, no mention of radially wound coils. From the video I've seen it is quite impossible to determine the individual coils or cut wires due to the poor quality and low definition, but one thing that does strike me is just how neat the cut is.  The neatness of cut suggests only circumferentially wound coils were cut through. If you try to cut radial coils, there would have been wires pulling out and dangling - it would have been harder to cut through and looked a lot messier. Either there are no radial coils, the coils are fixed in a hard resin, or SM avoided cutting through areas of radial coil (which would indicate in itself that radial coils, if any, were spaced apart and did not actually meet).

Not sure what this piece could mean, quote:

'February 08, 2006
I will offer something that I personally think may be important. No this is not from steven but he says it is not far off. When somebody says "coil"

think of a "circular arrangement of wires"'

I assume that was coming from Mannix, but I do wonder if it has been edited as I'm not sure what the 'important' bit is supposed to be. I mean, doesn't everyone already think of a coil as being a circular arrangement of wires?  Bizarre.

And for Grumps this, quote:

'February 11, 2006
The coil gets hot. This problem has not been resolved. It is apparently due to the windings moving.'

Now moving wires rather tends to suggest that they were not wound particularly tightly and certainly not resin encased. Which takes us back to the neatness of the cut segments and the question: Are there any radial - so-called control - coils and if so can anyone provide me with a reference to where these are shown or  discussed by SM?

But ultimately I guess, we have no way of verifying who was saying what, if what was posted was actually said, or indeed if this is not all just misinfo...

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Re: New TPU build
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Offline powerunlimited

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #215 on: June 27, 2009, 11:51:16 AM »
o Farrah day

            The tpu that was cut up was a come on ,a ploy by Sm, notice
 that it doesn't look like the other one in the earlier part of the video.
He made this one for the express purpose to give the investors a piece,notice big lack of parts,to get them to bit.
Pay attention in the video to the box at the bottom,in the unit they cut,thats the main
unit that is the key to this device not the wiring.The deal goes like this it malfunctions,he says
i don't know whats wrong its defective,i will give you a piece of it since its no good,
if they asked for the box he would say ,
thats the control box i can only sell it to you if you buy the rights.
the investors go away and head to there engineer and ask can you figure this thing out from this part.
This is exactly what SM calculated they would do.The wiring in the piece is an obfuscation,worthless.
This  device is like one big soap opera,the wiring could be thought as an antenna of sorts
longer wire more output,higher voltage,higher current.Thats why the big tpu's put out more power,
the small ones have smaller lengths,so lower voltage,lower current,thats why the torroid shape.
I think your getting the point on misinformation here

In regards to heating it maybe have been due to load,the 1.5 hour may have been under a smaller load,the one jack durban
saw may have been under a much higher load.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #216 on: June 27, 2009, 01:53:07 PM »
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In regards to heating it maybe have been due to load,the 1.5 hour may have been under a smaller load,the one jack durban
saw may have been under a much higher load.

I don't know, Durban seemed pretty adamant that each and every TPU only operated for specifically 19-20 mins under any condition.

I'm sure the interviewer asked Durban at one point, what happened if the units were left running past the point they became too hot (at the point many theorise would cause catastrophic meltdown) and Durban replied that they just shut down??

I'm getting a feel for things now, and things are slowly becoming a little clearer to me.  When I first read the Spherics thread, I was quite amazed by the guys insight and apparent intelligence... but, on reviewing it numerous times I got the 'too-good-to-be-true feeling about it. It's too carefully and well-written for someone to go to that much trouble and then mysteriously disappear - it does not make sense.

When I first joined I wondered why Spherics had TPU-Elite status after only what... 2 posts?  Then I realised you get this status if Hartmann pins a thread. What, for the life of me, I can't understand is why Hartmann in his wisdom would pin the thread of someone that shows up out-of-the-blue with an unproven theoretical model and just a couple of posts to his name.  What is that all about??

Spherics stated:
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Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark

This statement I believe is very clever, it's the equivalent of the misdirection a magician employs to draw your attention to the wrong place.  If Spherics had slated Durban too much, made it look too personal, it would have been obvious to everyone that Spherics is actually SM.

So he does it in a very clever way, which subtley misdirects us and does not detract from the credibility of the post. Basically here SM maintains his composure like a true pro, which falls in line with the SM character that Durban describes.

To me now it does seem logical that:  Spherics = SM

If this is the case, then SM was clearly not here as himself to openly reveal the secrets of his TPU. Therefore it is only logical to think that in his psuedonym guise SM was here for one purpose only, and that is to provide a whole wealth of misinfo.

It might be a good idea for everyone to review their thoughts on Spherics and concentrate on the original TPU designs. I know I am.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 03:03:50 PM by Farrah Day »

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Offline powerunlimited

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #217 on: June 27, 2009, 02:33:09 PM »
to farrah day
As I warned you SM power of illiusion is very powerful!
As to the differences between Jack durbans account and the other guy,I don't know,we would have to know the load exactly in each case or in one.As to it shutting down possible ,if wire gets so hot it melts that causes an open circuit.If its at the output part and if that supplies power to an oscillator,then yes it will shut down ,as to weither its a temporary shut down or totall inoperative shut down I down know.No wait I read somewhere he put in a thermal shut down device
in the big tpu to shut it down if it got too hot.Thats why it shuts down so it won't burn up.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #218 on: June 27, 2009, 03:13:28 PM »
Yes, a thermal shutdown device on each TPU would make sense, Durban touches on that in the interview.

Is it likely that Mannix was also SM? I ask as I found a thread started by Mannix, to which an 'Earl' very politely posted some very sensible and legitimate questions, only to have Mannix never respond.

Can I just ask again, has it actually been verified anywhere that the unit consists of collector coils around which are radially wound smaller 'control' coils?  Or is this all just speculation too?

This is rather like panning for gold, you have to sift through tonnes of worthless sludge in order to hopefully find the odd nugget.

I'm sifting, I'm sifting... no nuggets yet!

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Re: New TPU build
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Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #219 on: June 27, 2009, 03:27:28 PM »
I think maybe I will have to go about this in a different way as it seems that there may not even be any unniversally accepted fundamental coil design to work from.

If anyone knows otherwise pleeeaase speak up.

Working on the premise that the secret lies in the interaction of magnetic fields, the question I guess is: What exactly are we trying to achieve?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #220 on: June 27, 2009, 03:40:01 PM »
Untill you can make a self sustaining unit,not tied to a power source
 only then can you claim a victory.You lack leadership, someone who is flexable,
 coherent,logical,structured and lacks ego.You have been tricked by SM,whos
been here since the beginning,setting traps
and the direction you go is in a circle.

are you sure he's here?
i wish he were here...
so SM pm me/us the plans and let's bring this whole circus to an end  :-*

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Offline BEP

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #221 on: June 27, 2009, 03:40:56 PM »
Working on the premise that the secret lies in the interaction of magnetic fields, the question I guess is: What exactly are we trying to achieve?

May I suggest removing the word 'magnetic' from the above thought?

Looking at this from a magnetic only perspective has proved to be bad for most working on this.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #222 on: June 27, 2009, 03:43:43 PM »
are you sure he's here?

I think he is here!

I think it is @PU   ;D

Offline powerunlimited

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #223 on: June 27, 2009, 03:46:46 PM »
To Farrah Day
to my knowledge except for the mannix letters and the fact that
 the open tpu in the video has
control windings four when you examine them you
 will find there is one single winding,Its another SM trick,its not a winding,ha ha
 the tpu in the lab setting he glued four wires to make it seem that it had control coils
this is all an illusion to make you think theres control coils.
the other units are covered so you can't tell anything.
I don't know if you have this.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #224 on: June 27, 2009, 04:01:52 PM »
S ::) ::)ms I may have to  revise my estimate of false idenities SM has here to 2 or more :o

 

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