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Offline ramset

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2009, 03:31:13 AM »
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By the way
Giving examples of OU forum[and others ] being a place to harvest talent and ideas,and then you say you have seen these ideas brought to market
From idea to proof of concept,from proof of concept to funding, from funding to prototype from prototype to testing from testing to production
Do I have to go on,[its a lot longer] I assume your examples are 4to 5 yrs old
Or you could be looking at the shoe on the other foot,your ideas on OU forums were well on their way to reality/production when you saw them.


Do you have any idea the cost/extent of testing to get an Underwriters lab cert?
I can just see it now[not!!]
This TPU is an open source project or it is nothing.
We are not talking about a new battery or a phone that can charge its own little batteries
This would be a liability nightmare ,and studying the OU devices of recent times
Liability [in the form of ,can be dangerous] has probably been our biggest problem after the dusty shelf in the patent office [the one marked National security risk]
Teach a man to fish [not sharks]
Chet
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Thats why I like magnets and gravity,very passive ,simple, nobody gets hurt [I know, nobody gets hurt  because its impossible!!]
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Do you know where will be in 4-5 yrs?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2009, 03:31:13 AM »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2009, 03:37:05 AM »
??? Didn't we just go through this  ???

What did I miss?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2009, 03:50:36 AM »
Chet,

Actually, I'm talking about ideas being swiped from this and other forums, from recent times.

Regarding the question about cost to get a UL/CSA label? You wouldn't even get that far with a FE device.

This stuff won't make it to market, guaranteed. At least until there's not enough oil reserves left to supply both the manufacturing AND fuel industries. That's why Chava is doomed to failure if indeed they are in it strictly to make money. On the other hand, if they're willing to wait 20 to 40 years for the oil bottom to fall out, they might reap the benefits of 'their' technology at that time. Of course by then the world could be quite a different place.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2009, 03:50:36 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2009, 03:58:01 AM »
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"recent times ",is my point
Takes a long time from concept to consumer,perhaps longer than the time frame you refer to[recent]
It takes years,especially new techs to get to market.
and yes the TPU would have to be a members only [one man teaches his neighbor] kind of thing
Chet

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2009, 04:29:30 AM »
SM was adamant that the TPU was a "conversion device" - this may imply that it converts energy from a non-useful form into a useful form.

Yes, that is deliberately vague, but I am not required to say anything at all.

Got to the spherics thread, find the bifilar coil experiment and start with that.





I haven't read any TPU threads in months, but Is there a general consensus on the mechanism behind the TPU? 


Is it supposed to couple to earth's magnetic field  and somehow convert it  into electricity?

Couple to the Schuman resonance?

Somehow couple to HV power lines?  (If I remember right Stephen Mark's house was right next to some HV power lines)

Some nuclear technology maybe?  Like cold fusion?  (I've heard of the TPU getting very hot for unknown reasons)

Or some unknown energy source?


It seems like it might be helpful there was a theory wrt the (hypothetical)  TPU's energy source.

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Offline BEP

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2009, 04:39:53 AM »
@ramset

Your arguments are correct and honorable. I'm sure most would agree.

You should agree that one person teaching his neighbors all he knows about a tech - then that tech finally being a stupid mistake or completely useless only does harm to the neighbors. There is the argument that all learn in the process. But that is not how it works.

How many sharing individuals were not dumped upon with everything negative imaginable? Not many.

Yes, I know what it takes to theorize, prove, prototype, test and retest, etc. AND obtain a UL cert.
I am also familiar with doing all the above and then having a gaggle of lawyers convince a court that I had nothing to do with it.

I've told the rest of the story too often.

There is only one answer - Create or decipher some badly needed puzzle piece then post it for the masses. See for yourself what the result is. 

Your arguments ARE correct and honorable. Unfortunately, they are just as much an echo as the demand for design specs.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2009, 05:22:05 AM »
SM was adamant that the TPU was a "conversion device" - this may imply that it converts energy from a non-useful form into a useful form.

Converts what into electricity? 

What is the general consensus?  Or is there none?




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Offline ramset

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2009, 05:24:18 AM »
Bep
The TPU will definitely fall into the road less traveled category
And yes unless you know what your doing ,you can't teach a man to fish
You guy's make this TPU sound so freakin cool ,the stuff dreams are made of,however I know its VERY capable of hurting even someone that has experience in R+D engineering
So I won't play.
Until its safe and understood more
Many everyday things around us are lethal if approached in complete ignorance
OH how I would love to not be so ignorant of the things TPU!!
BTW
No insult ,but I hope you are being careful smashing fields /waves together!![I've heard nothing can stop some waves]
You men are the best and it truly is an honor to feast on the crumbs you drop off the table
Chet

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2009, 01:22:50 PM »
Hi Newbie

You're asking too many questions... naughty, naughty! What do you think this is, an open source forum!

Unfortunately we appear to have come in at a time when people seem to just want to idle chit-chat as opposed to sharing potentially useful information or collaborate on a project. You might have already noted my frustration. :)

Some posts are nonsensical, some posts are intelligible or incoherent, while the likes of Grumps seems to be here simply to tell us that he is not going to tell us anything... and of course the obligatory village idiot pipes up now and then.  We are in a strange place... the twilight zone!

All I wanted was to be pointed in the right direction by people who I assumed were more experienced participants in this science. A little help and advice that could possibly save me a lot of time, needless experiments and multiple TPU builds. A few useful tips on the best way to proceed. I wanted to get a feel for the science and, like you, a view of the general concensus of what was going on, power source, etc. Instead I feel like I'm intruding at someones private party.

Newbie, I thought this science might be the key to the various WFC's that claim exceptional results when employing bifilar coils ans inductors. Unfortunately, no one here is prepared to proffer anything helpful.

My husband has never understood my interest in science and thinks I should be sticking to washing the dishes, cooking and ironing his shirts (bless him) - and after the responses I've had from here, perhaps he's right. ;)

Anyway, if the thing gets hot, it is obviously dissipating a lot of power. I wonder whether the device gets hot if it has no load... I also wonder whether the device will still get hot at full load.  Ie, could it be that the collector coils are absorbing so much energy when the device is switched on that it will indeed self-destruct over time unless this energy is drawn off?

Like our infamous SM, I daresay this SM also was only hypothesising for the main part, as clearly he nor anyone else had any idea why the device worked in the first place. Just to say I would personally keep an open mind as to the nature of the energy source at present.

We really need input from, Loner.

My dilemma now is, why should I bother to post my TPU build, experiments and results here, when people are so unhelpful.   Is that perhaps a question anyone would care to answer?


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Re: New TPU build
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« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2009, 02:19:35 PM »
My dilemma now is, why should I bother to post my TPU build, experiments and results here, when people are so unhelpful.   Is that perhaps a question anyone would care to answer?

FD,

First, my apologies for assuming "sir" was correct.

Second, no one has been helpful? That doesn't make sense. We gave you some, perhaps THE direction to start. There's been no response regarding that.

All the questions being asked here have been asked and addressed before, and more than one time. It sounds like you have not read all the material SM passed on to us. My suggestion, if you truly are interested in making a difference, is to go through the material and produce a document that does just what you are asking for, that is...answer several questions. It could be an addendum to the TPU FAQ that already exists if you wish.

This way, you will have gone through all the material, weeded out the relevant information, and made the lives of all those that will follow you (such as newbie123) easier by giving them an introductory FAQ to bring them up to speed.

It won't be easy because everyone has their own ideas about the TPU operation and theories galore. Doubtful there is any consensus, but I am just repeating myself once more.

Part of the reason why some don't respond to questions here is because it would elicit many debates that could go on forever and lead to nowhere. Many of us have been there and done that and don't wish to go there again. These questions have been hammered to death many times, and still there is no consensus.

Please do go through the material and formulate your own consensus with all the "new" folks here. No one is stopping you.

You asked for direction, and direction has been given. Why do you not start there? The specific direction has been given because it is felt that this IS indeed a shortcut to TPU research. READ THE SPHERICS MATERIAL! DO THE BIFILAR EXPERIMENT! POST YOUR RESULTING WAVE FORM AS A FEW HAVE RECENTLY DONE!

I hope that was clear enough.

Regards,
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2009, 04:03:24 PM »
P99

You are correct, I think I've probably over-reacted a little. I'm not the most patient of people and worse still I have a low tolerance for idiots and idiot posts - as many others will testify to. 

Looking back I think old Grumpy's, "I know something... but I'm not going to tell you", attitude is what really riled me. But I guess I've just got to learn to bite my tongue, eh.

Yes, the Spherics post has been read and is amongst the best info on the forum, in my humble opinion.

Everything seems to come down to magnetic fields - or voids in such - so I'm inclined to think that the Earth's magnetic field is indeed playing a part in SM's device.

Anyone who has tried to separate 2 neos would realise just how much energy is contained within magnetic fields. And as many people will testify to, it can be impossible to push 2 like sides of even relatively small neos together, however much energy you expend on trying to do this.

OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.

That is if the oscillations are left to totally decay (and possibly the small power source removed), and then the device re-started in it's new inverted orientation.

What I think is likely to be happening is that turning it upside down alters the influence of the Earth's magnetic field, which then acts to counteract the oscillations in the device, until finally said oscillations are completely damped.  Hence the device effectively acts against itself. However, I really would expect the device to work in this inverted position again if restarted, but then to stop again if turned back to it's original orientation.
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« Reply #101 on: June 23, 2009, 04:19:33 PM »
Poyt, Thanks for getting to the point.


I just remembered...  SM  (in a video)  is talking about the vibrations of the TPU and says "It oscillates at roughly 8 hz"  If I remember right;  which would seem to  imply it's interacting with Schumann resonance..

 

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« Reply #102 on: June 23, 2009, 04:44:09 PM »
Farrah day,

Here is the most down to earth TPU experimenter that  I've seen..  http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdo300

I'm not sure if he visits this forum or published his findings.




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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #103 on: June 23, 2009, 06:20:47 PM »
Farrah day,

Here is the most down to earth TPU experimenter that  I've seen..  http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdo300

I'm not sure if he visits this forum or published his findings.

Yes! We all have a place to be. Find yours, dig your heels in, and create.

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OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.
The answer is in the video on the glass table in the front door area by the step. SM has a 6" TPU with a lighted bulb in his hands. He purposely swings it down by his side. It is hanging vertically and the bulb does not diminish in brightness. Say what?

I will tell my sleuthing approach.
1: Yes we really dont see electronics or technical measurements.
2: no schematics
3: vague responses
4: cloak and dagger type posts.

But I will tell you this: Be suspicious and look at everything in the videos.
Things placed in the rooms,
the environments of the rooms.
Hand motions,
vague references or simplistic statements.

Everything is staged and nothing is left unattended or hidden that are not clues.
If you are looking for part numbers, forget it.
SM said 'Go to radio shack and get a handful parts'. Guess what? I did and along with many others proved that is exactly what he meant! This is your biggest clue. Why, we have even gone to the hardware store and found things that were necessary. Radio shack sells the magnet he pulls out of his pocket. He even proves it with the way he constructed and showed his coils. The glass table, the marble floors, the dogs barking, the fisher-price train on a circular track by the front door, the amp meter displays, the drill, the TV. All were shown as parts and pieces.
If all this seems simplistic and 'out there' then you don't have the creativity to continue. Save your energy. This isn't your standard UL sanctified home appliance.

Pull all your house fuses but one. This leaves the meter spinning. On the zone still on the grid plug in a small transformer for charging your phone. Simple. No you can claim that you are not trying to gain sovreignty. Muy importante! You will still pay your energy taxes. The gov can't touch you. The TPU will be plugged into any of the other dead outlets. This will power the rest of your zones. Now live your life with the 80% savings. We will get to transportation later. If you alter your vehicle for public road access you had better do you homework first. Especially if it is not manually or combustion fuel powered .
Take your savings, built another TPU and install it in another house, Take a percentage of the savings over 6 months. The owner will gladly shake your hand. Take those savings and built another one, and another one, and another one. So on and so on. DId you sell a non-sanctified appliance? Hell no! You sold information on saving energy by going green. See?
Think I am full of crap? Question your own motives first. How do you think we are going to get this done?
Should you be thrown in jail then another person will release the technical info to true open source. By then it will be too late.
But if you think you are going to run down the street thinking you've started a new 4th of July, you are just prairie doggin' at a snipe fest.

All the successive stages of people here are needed. Can't any of you taste this victory? This will be like the 2nd Boston tea party.
Put your nose to the grindstone, not the axe to your neck.
It can never be about money. The players that threw the tea overboard were not paid.

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« Reply #104 on: June 23, 2009, 06:52:09 PM »

OK, why doesn't SM's TPU work upside down?  Well I think it will.

That is if the oscillations are left to totally decay (and possibly the small power source removed), and then the device re-started in it's new inverted orientation.

What I think is likely to be happening is that turning it upside down alters the influence of the Earth's magnetic field, which then acts to counteract the oscillations in the device, until said oscillations are completely damped.  Hence the device acts against itself. I really would expect the device to work in this inverted position again if restarted, but then to stop again if turned back to it's original orientation.

isn't the rotation in the wrong direction when you flip it over?

 

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