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Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2009, 11:56:02 PM »
Interesting link Mk1, but it seems to me that even Naudin has a funny idea about what a Mobius loop is - he even spells it differently.

Bep, yes that was my point exactly, you can form a mobius loop from a ribbon or a strip, but not from a loop of round wire.

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Who said this coil is where load is connected? That would defeat the purpose.

There are a few mentions of a Mobius coil being used for a collector on this site. And yes, the fact that the collector has terminals to attach a load, again meant that they are not true Mobius loops.  I think the definition of a true Mobius loop is probably getting a little distorted by a few people.

Not to worry, I'm still working my way through things trying to clarify as much as I can in order to give me a basis for my 1st prototype TPU.

As far as I can make out, magnetic fields are also a source of radiant energy, and when a large magnetic field colapses very quickly, this temporarily creates an energy void, or as some people refer to it, 'a sink', whereby radiant energy then rushes in to fill this 'void'.

Another explanation might be that opposing magnetic fields that effectively cancel each other out could also open the door to radiant energy, by again producing an energy void.

I am under the impression that the Caduceus coil or Caduceus wound coils will be far more effective at achieving this phenomena, and indeed more practical than a Mobius loop.

I'm considering doing some experiments with a ring of copper tubing filled with electrolyte as a former on which to add coils. The idea being that the ions in the electrolyte will react to pulses provided to the coils, but being 50,000 times the mass of the electron, will not initially be able to move quick enough, which itself might lead to some interesting results. Furthermore if multiple coils are pulsed and the ions are caused to move, due to their mass they will not stop as quickly as the electrons. In this experiment I intend to have my collector coil wrapped around my electrolyte filled, copper tube former, with control coils wrapped at intervals around my collector coil.

I notice that many people use 3 control coils, which effectively simulates a 3-phase power supply.

All very interesting stuff, but with so little known facts or proof, it is all hypothesis with very little foundation to build on. I guess I'll have to rely on my own build to provide most of the answers... of course, whether or not I will be able to make head or tail of the results will be another matter entirely.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2009, 11:56:02 PM »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2009, 01:08:37 PM »
Is there anyone looking in that is currently building, or testing a previously built TPU, that I can actually converse with?

That is, someone prepared to compare and discuss designs, substantiate experiments and exchange data and results.

Anyone??


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« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2009, 03:04:20 PM »
All very interesting stuff, but with so little known facts or proof, it is all hypothesis with very little foundation to build on. I guess I'll have to rely on my own build to provide most of the answers... of course, whether or not I will be able to make head or tail of the results will be another matter entirely.

Pretty much what I told you at the beginning. You're finally catching on ;)

There are a number of people testing, but unless at least two are working on essentially the same configuration, it would be pretty hard to discuss anything meaningful, wouldn't it?

Good luck with your build and tests.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2009, 03:40:05 PM »
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There are a number of people testing, but unless at least two are working on essentially the same configuration, it would be pretty hard to discuss anything meaningful, wouldn't it?


Not necessarily, it could save a lot of unnecessary experimenting by possibly eliminating some designs while perhaps indicating promising paths on which to concentrate... besides it's good to converse with people doing similar things and compare notes.

Though at this point I do rather get the feeling that I'll be the only one doing any practical work.

It would also be nice to see some pictures of TPUs that members have built.

Incidentally, this seems to be one of the most informative SM videos.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark

We are told here that it is basically a configuration of simple coils, which appears to be operating at some resonant frequency that is kick started by the small permanent magnet. With the magnet removed the output gradually decreases just like the decay of oscillations observed from an LC circuit once the maintenance pulse is removed.

Extremely interesting is that the device stops working when it is turned upside down, which in itself seems quite bizarre. Fascinating.


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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2009, 07:30:36 PM »
Extremely interesting is that the device stops working when it is turned upside down, which in itself seems quite bizarre. Fascinating.

This is an enormous clue to the operation of these devices, but so few bothered to try to figure it out.


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« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2009, 08:18:27 PM »


 :D

the output is basiclly dc ....  lol

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2009, 11:51:07 PM »
Hi Grumpy,

I concur that the fact that the device does not work when inverted is likely a very important clue, as (if true) is the statement whereby the current is said to reverse when the device is operated in the other hemisphere. If this is indeed the case, could we not expect some people to have built TPU's that do not work because they have been effectively built the wrong way up, and they never thought to turn them upside down... just a thought.

So what would cause this particular phenomenom, after all it's basically just a bundle of coils?

OK, this is what I have to go on so far.

The collector is made up of 3 individual coils of wire, not interweaved, but placed one above the other. These are coiled around the circumference of a non-ferrite, neutral former, such as plastic or wood.

Around these 3 collector coils and former are wrapped so-called control coils at 90 degrees to the collector coils. These control coils consist of numerous (at least 3) coils that each cover one third (if 3) of the collector coil, along with one control coil that completely covers these 3 coils.

Now things get a little sketchy. Question: Are there smaller coils located within the larger coil assembly, such as Caduceus coils collecting energy, and are the control coils pulsed by a small IC such as a 555 timer?

In a reply to Lindsay SM says, quote: 'It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes today'.

This clearly suggests that ICs are used to produce the necessary pulsing of coils.  Possibly a 555 timer cct that has been modified to provide the necessary 3 phases to pulse each of the 3 main control coils in sequence.  This would resemble very closely the model proposed by Spheric.

There has never been any mention of a battery power source, but you would imagine that even a small IC oscillator would require such a thing.

So what about the power source for this IC?  Ever heard of a crystal radio set?

This is where things are confusing, because in one video SM seems to start the device oscillating simply by the proximity of a small magnet... or is this simply operating a reed relay that then powers up the oscillator from something like a button cell?  I don't know what to make of this as yet.

Why would this device cease to work when inverted? Its obviously not something SM implemented for effect as it would make no sense to highlight a potential problem. SM himself genuinely seemed to have no explanation for this perculiarity and I certainly felt he was illustrating this simply to emphasise just how unusual the device was.

So, why does inverting the device affect its operation?  Have you given this much thought over the years Grumpy? Any ideas?

Incidentally, does Lindsay still frequent the forum or is she one of the dear departed?

 

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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2009, 12:46:38 AM »
linsey is a she ..... ?

really ?

hummmmm

i think the coil bucks the earths feilds ...  when flipped it would attract .... 

??  no 

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2009, 01:03:26 AM »

So, why does inverting the device affect its operation?  Have you given this much thought over the years Grumpy? Any ideas?


Ask the experts.

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Re: New TPU build
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2009, 08:49:30 AM »
Ask the experts.

Who are the experts? 

Do I take it then that you have not yourself given this any thought then Grumps and hence have no opinion on this?

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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2009, 03:43:39 PM »
Who are the experts? 

Do I take it then that you have not yourself given this any thought then Grumps and hence have no opinion on this?

Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own.

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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2009, 04:14:31 PM »
Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own.

YEP IM HEARING THAT ....

I DID LOTS OF MY OWN WORK .....  SURE WITHOUT THE TPU OF STEVEN AND MARK ...

NONE OF THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC ...... 

BUT YOU CAN DO ALL THE WORK YOU WANT .... 

THEY DONT WANT IT

IM SELLING ROCKS ONLY NOW ....  GET TUNED!!

TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC ....

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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2009, 05:46:25 PM »
This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

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Oh, I have given this a great deal of thought.  I would even go so far as to say that I know exactly why this occurs (output stops when flipped), but I am not about to state it here or anywhere else.  Too many people have benefitted from the work of others, and claimed it as their own

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.

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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2009, 06:08:35 PM »
Well, let's see now...

I don't know you, or what you are about.

It took me years to figure out why the old TPU's stopped when flipped over. 

There are people that wish to use this technology for their own gain, and I have absolutely no desire to help them in any way.

So, pardon me for not wanting to just blurt it out.

Do your own damn thinking and figure it out on your own:

1. Why do you think the old TPU's stopped when flipped over? 

2. This issue appears to not occur in the later versions of the TPU.  What is different?

3. Rotating is opposite in opposite hemispheres of the globe.  Why?






This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2009, 06:27:21 PM »
This is quickly becoming a joke. What's going on here...? All I'm getting is one sentence, meaningless replies and utter nonsense from the local village idiots.

I'd hoped to converse and collaborate with other like-minded people designing and building TPUs, but all I'm getting are riddles and half-baked cryptic responses.

I don't understand the purpose of this forum if it is not to share information and collaborate.  Why are you people here in the first place?

Grumpy be name Grumpy by nature I guess.  Well thanks for that Grumpy, yet another pointless post. You seem to be posting with the sole intention of letting everyone know that you are not about to proffer any information or experience you have gleaned... why post at all? Why bother even being here?

I see now that starting this thread was a pretty pointless exercise - it's no real wonder that the so-called 'elite' have moved on.

We learned a greater level by compassion and eagerness instead of taking.
Look up Boyd Bushman and the spinning Celt. The interview is priceless. It is in the new David Sereda video about Andromeda.
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Check it out with an open mind. You know the part that doesn't know everything?

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