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Offline Nikola Tesla

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #300 on: July 02, 2009, 09:38:34 PM »

Does cause a little concern though doesn't it. A least there seems to be no affinity to lightning from the SM TPU.


Page 42:

Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and
dissipate more energy then the smaller ones.
However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much
difference...
There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.

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If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the
heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent
of a lightning strike of the unit.
That of course ends the operation of the unit but can also prove to be
rather dramatic and also somewhat dangerous if you are in close
proximity to the power unit.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #300 on: July 02, 2009, 09:38:34 PM »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #301 on: July 02, 2009, 11:21:45 PM »
Thanks Loner

You're meltdown of the past sounds quite dramatic. There must have been a hell of a lot of power being disipated to create such a mess... does get you thinking.

I'll post photos and results as I proceed. I have now decided to build two similar units a la Boycie, but one with a toroidal transformer ferrite core and one with a copper core made simply from microbore copper piping. This way I can observe the differences these two cores make.

I've got to get hold of the toroidal transformer core, but have everything else.

However, I can't let this interfere with my love of Wimbledon, so the next few days I'll just be gathering the parts ready. The way Venus took apart the world No.1 Safina, was quite incredible. Big day for Britain's No.1 tomorrow! Murray vs Roddick... gonna be a good one!

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #302 on: July 03, 2009, 01:37:28 AM »
@BEP

Just in case you read this, here is my vulgarization of the BEMF issue. lol

BEMF equals CEMF and are part of the process of saturating a coil. As power is applied to the coil, there is a counter force working against the inrush and this prevents the coil from being instantly saturated. It's like a coils' natural internal protection system saying to the energy source, "Feed me, but don't blow me away".

We should know that inductors (coils) discharge when they are disconnected whereas capacitors discharge when they are connected.

So when you disconnect the coil from the power source the field inside and around the coil collapses or recedes and there is a nice return discharge that is called Flyback, not BEMF or CEMF.

You cannot collect BEMF and CEMF since it is expended only during the inrush that happens when the coil is connected to a power or pulse source.

BEMF and CEMF are not the cause of drag or motor cogging either.

You CAN collect or recapture Flyback. It can even kill you if the coil is big enough.

Guys that say they are capturing the BEMF are actually capturing Flyback.

In any case BEMF is exacly that. When there is EMF applied, there is a reverse EMF applied also and that is why we call it Back EMF. You cannot apply a reverse EMF if there is no EMF. This only happens while the coil is connected. The coil can only collapse when it is disconnected at which time both the EMF and the BEMF are impossible to even exist.

We should actually just forget about BEMF and CEMF because there is nothing you can do with it. Many guys here know but they will not correct every member when they say BEMF simply because we would be spending all our days repeating the same thing.

Now if the above is totally wrong, this gives even more reason to then call the collapsing field of a disconnected coil something else other then BEMF and CEMF since these two are causing major misunderstandings. But for me Flyback is the best term for the juice we are all looking to capture.

PS: Some other thing about Flyback. Why is Flyback voltage so high? Could it be because while applied power to a coil meets the BEMF to slow it down, when the source is disconnected to produce Flyback, the Flyback energy does not encounter any counter force while it is receding or returning to the source. BANG. Otherwise we would have BEMF to counter the EMF and then CounterFlyback (CFB) to counter the Flyback (FB). Is this fun or what?

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #302 on: July 03, 2009, 01:37:28 AM »
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Offline Farrah Day

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #303 on: July 03, 2009, 01:54:35 PM »
OK, for the record, I have managed to get hold of a toroidal transformer from a defunct 1400W stereo power amp.

A bit of a beast and very heavy. Will be unwinding the wire while I'm watching the tennis.

Tried to attach a photo, but I'm told that the file size is limited to just 300Kb... my photo is 0.98 Mb!!  This is going to be a bit restrictive.

Had to try to alter the resolution on my camera, by using the digital zoom, but got there in the end, this is at 245kb.

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #304 on: July 03, 2009, 02:59:21 PM »
so i went for a digg last night found this picture


what about a jt to cause rotation and pump the colapse throught the collectors .. 

i bet it will work thanks to aluka for the pen art drawing

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i guess ill build 1 of thease ...    i will use pancake coils ...  i will start with 1 and 4 coils just like this dwg ...

i started a build useing this design ...   

55 " bifillar speeker wire ..  14ga  this will be a 3 turn pancake COLLECTOR COIL.....

so i soldered the 2 seprate ends as 1 wire... on the INSIDE OF THE COLLECTOR COIL

so in essience we have a MK2 collector style coil ...   it goes in and it comes back out  but ontop of each other unlike the toroide mk2 unit ...  still the same operation aplies ... the induced or squeezed collector runns 2 dirrections

OTTO'S TEST ..... sound good ?!?!?!?!   50 turns / control coil 200 per collector ... all 1 wire hummmmmmmmmmm

i have lots of 28 ga wire ...  maybe ill try that ...

50 turns of 28 ga is 82" with 2 6" leads ...

i knew i had those rings machined for a reason ......  :D
« Last Edit: July 03, 2009, 06:25:54 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #305 on: July 03, 2009, 08:57:50 PM »
so for this unit to run properly in a 1 ring configuration system you need a TRIGGER COIL ... 

i would wind a 15-20 turn trigger coil on the the ringggg 

if i were to multi stack this unit i would add each 4 coils of the next ring to the last ring on the secondary of the jt...

the collectors would add up aswell to the top  then would tap into the final winding over the whole thing and the magnetic feilds squeezing in on the pancakes are also pushing out on the final tunnel wrap witch is a generator tapping the rotating magnetic mess.. 

as it accelerates the colapse from the jt!!

lets call it a aaa JT driveing a TPU!  :D

SO BASICALLY WHERE YOU TAP YOUR LEDS ON THE JT YOU PUMP THAT THROUGH THE COLLECTOR AND PUMP IT!! ;)

to power the electro magnets and the trigger curcuit ..
you want to use the inputted engery from a BUTTON CELL OR A AAA to power the electro magnets the (50 turn coils)   all 12 of them  and you use the electromagnetics produced from both the squeezing effect and pushing out effect   as a rotating generator  pumping all the collectors 4 times each ring in 2 reveloutions  then hitting the trigger to do it agin

and as it turns off the cold engery or colapse from the electro magnetic feilds is rectified to dc and you pump the POSITIVE RECTIFIED ENGERY THROUGHH THE COLLECTORS ..  and squeeze it like OTTOS TEST


BOOOOOYAH!!   

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #306 on: July 03, 2009, 10:01:16 PM »
can i ask what sauron  was thinking ........ :)


lol

just another old picture.... 
« Last Edit: July 04, 2009, 12:27:43 AM by innovation_station »

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« Reply #307 on: July 04, 2009, 02:16:35 PM »
ill finish the unit showen today and i will fully build the next one too

just cuz it seams nobody can or will

the second unit i broght to the top agin is  a 3 phase pump useing a 3 phase relay ...  it will turn on 15 coils per phase .. 123

im sure you see it if you dont i can further explain ... 

ist! 

50 turns sounds good on a sewing machine bobbin .. maybe 22 or 26 ga ...

so it will require 45 bobbins ...  a bit of work ...  nuttin im not used to ...


GREEN & RED  it must be christmas in july ...  :D

now i did say years AGO.... RESOSNANCE IS NOT REQUIRED!!!  


well got the the coil all done 12  50 turn control coils on 3 rings ...  ran out of tape and i need some bobbins for the next unit  ;D


so i will keep at it as always
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« Reply #308 on: July 04, 2009, 07:05:50 PM »
got all my bobbins 48 of them

thank you WALMART!! ;D  8 BUCKS 2 BUCKS A BOX OF 12 ...

ill take some pics of the bobbins im useing  the ground wire un sheilded and  the coil

b4 i wind it ... 


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in my last picture here i see 4 stops and so far 25 bucks ...   2 dollar stores ..  wallmart and the hardware store ...  :D

ground wire ... bout  8 bucks bobbins 8 bucks disposable camera (cap) and a cfl for the toroide ..  and the battery came for the camera   but i can simplfly it yet ...  4401  or a 2222  or a 3055 might work well .. 
« Last Edit: July 05, 2009, 12:54:07 AM by innovation_station »

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« Reply #309 on: July 04, 2009, 08:59:45 PM »
right i might aswell post this here too

i have this jt that puts out 700vac pure sine wave ... (peek to peek)  from a AAA battery .... 

hummm 

here is a scope shot and a picture of it

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i also herd an AA battery can deliver up to 26 amps on almost a dead short ...  WOW!  ... 

i love being the village ididot ..  :D

i have some of thease too but mine are 9-18 on the input pulse  i bet it can run ac or dc ....  ;D
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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #310 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:10 PM »
now back 2 my sm tpu stack ... 

where did everyone go ...  it is the 3rd act ...  lol


mk1 ....  what do you think im gonna put on here next ? 

i remember sm saying 3 coils ....  placed 1 on top of the other  yep  well that means just that ...  lol

so next on each ring i will wind an equal mass coil in the mk2 winding configuration to grab as a generator and as a transformer ...  just cuz i can ...  there will be 12 of thease 1 on top of each other coil they will be hooked up in 3's if i have enough diodes they will be indivually bridge rectified ...  thats 48 diodes in those feed back coils alone ...    but it will aid the coil ...  if i choose it to ..  now

if phased properly in the stack as the drawing shows it shows out of phase rotation would be like 

-    0    -    0
0    -    0    -
-    0    -    0

see the pattern ... 

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winding mk2 picup coils over the control wires


my 50 turn controls of 28 gage magnet wire 82" long weigh 1.5 grams ea

so i will make mk2 pickups of equal mass 1.5 grams 22 gage ... 1.5 grams of 22 ga is 21 "

so 1.5 grams of 22 ga gets me 4 turns up and 4 turns back with 4" leads ...

i will finish all 12
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« Reply #311 on: July 05, 2009, 12:20:45 PM »
Well Well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were building again  :)

How are you going to drive that thing?

Marco.

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« Reply #312 on: July 05, 2009, 03:11:06 PM »
Well Well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were building again  :)

How are you going to drive that thing?

Marco.


i was thinking something like this.... 

but i think i better make it a little more complicated than that ....   

maybe 1 of thease ....


BTW there is no need to self feed this coil ..  i want people to play safely ... use a aaa to start with ... i bet it can go haywire fast ...  ;)

if i were to use a magic magnet  i would have it self feed ... and just swipe the magnet past a seprate tuned circuit to produce the first charge in a cap then let the switch take over ...

but i like the forced tuned method useing a jt then i can tune it with ease ... 

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well i guess ill wind the final wrap and add all the bridge rectifiers ..

for the final wrap i will fill the coil  probally use bifillar speeker wire and split the positive from the collectors  useing diodes  also i will likely put diodes between the collector coils .. to flip the ac to dc and runn with the grain of the flow ... 

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« Reply #313 on: July 05, 2009, 04:43:02 PM »
i think some where in stevens re marks lol

he says to use a FULL WAVE SILICON RECTIFIER ON THE INPUT SIDE OF THE COIL ....

hummm


i do know why ... 

gotta portect the transistor some how ...  i put a diode there in my last dwg ...  to stop a back flow of ac from blowing things up that drive the coil 

but if i used my 700v ac jt then rectified it ...  well  no back feedies .... lol

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litterly 1000 ways to do the damm thing ...  this is why so few have them ...  8)

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Re: New TPU build
« Reply #314 on: July 05, 2009, 05:33:18 PM »
The last few posts clearly illustrate why people like myself get so disheartened by the forum.

While Hartmann in is wisdom allows illiterate idiots to dominate the forum like a rampant plague, any intelligent discussion will forever be extremely hampered or lost under piles of garbage.

What I find hard to comprehend is that Hartmann actually gave me a ban warning on the Electrolysis boards for expressing an opinion, while actually accusing me of spreading misinfo!! And given all the seriously foul-mouthed language that was coming from some of the more fanatical retards there, I think Hartmann has to get his act together or indeed needs a good kick-up-the-arse. 

One thing is for sure, something has to give if these forums are ever going to be given any real credibilty by people with very real credentials.

 

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