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### Author Topic: New TPU build  (Read 136471 times)

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »
Increased voltage results in increased electron drift velocity VD, which is typically quite slow.

The number of electrons flowing in parallel is influenced by the cross-sectional area of the conductor.

Besides physical dimension, what else affects the effective cross-sectional area of a conductor?

What does this imply for DC, AC and sharp transient inputs?

If there are implications, how does it affect drift velocity, if at all?

Would it be possible to achieve VD=c ?

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Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.

#### tsl

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 04:49:05 PM »
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.
I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 05:19:37 PM »
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.

I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.

I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Why does anything have to "move"?

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

#### tsl

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 05:26:28 PM »
I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Agree on that too

Why does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

That's also correct

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 06:04:47 PM »

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Why does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

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Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.
That's also correct

Does anything physical move?

What other factors are important?

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 06:29:18 PM »
Why this game Otto?why is this HocusPocus needed? You are a elite member afterall.Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?

Why this game tsl?why is this HocusPocus needed? Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?

#### Farrah Day

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 08:32:55 PM »
Well I assume the magnetic field would be moving at 'c'.

Ok, just in trying to clarify the concept here:

The collector is a ring of coiled thick copper wire.

Now in theory, just moving this coil about within the Earths magnetic field should induce a current, but obviously this method of inducing a current would be impractical or energy intensive.

So, we wind many turns of a smaller wire around this collector coil and pulse this smaller coil at a given frequency.

What does this achieve?

Well, if the decay of the pulse is fast enough then the back emf spike should induce a large current within the collector coil via the interaction of the magnetic field. This in itself seems like normal induction... but is there a point (perhaps a specific frequency) whereby this action also interacts with the Earth's magnetic field to provide a greater than expected energy output?

Am I thinking along the right lines here?

What I have noticed about SM's TPUs is that obviously he has not got them connected up to a function generator, though I suppose a small button cell oscillator could be incorporated into the units somewhere.  Does anyone know what the two coils shown in the centre of the large coil are?

Fascinating stuff!

#### tsl

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 10:11:11 PM »
Why this game tsl?why is this HocusPocus needed? Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?

LOL Grumpy, that was a good one
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 10:17:25 PM »
LOL Grumpy, that was a good one
It's bep's "bucking point" or my allready described radial field pattern that's moving along the collector while a current ispassing the same, when the direction of that current and the direction of that pattern are right you get your toy:self amplifying current ,don't stop the process at the right time and you'll get a boom .As allready said it's all about interaction between coils (actually fields).

Are you going to show them how to do it, or leave that to someone else?

#### tsl

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 10:48:43 PM »
if you mean real plans or a in depth how to then no
that's not up to me
some bits here or there ...

#### Grumpy

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 10:52:51 PM »
if you mean real plans or a in depth how to then no
that's not up to me
some bits here or there ...

ditto

#### ramset

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2009, 12:49:12 AM »
Yeah
let some archeologist 5000 yrs from now find your how to instructions in the putrefied remains of what used to be the Obahmanation
Chet
F-M-ALL [That's how it goes right?]

#### innovation_station

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2009, 01:40:46 AM »
ooo the things i could pull from my hat ....

i bet its easy and cheep to turn led to gold .......

ist!

who know what secreats will be unlocked from the truth ...

#### Tito L. Oracion

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2009, 02:27:11 AM »
ditto

hi grumpy
there are many abbrebiation here in this forum that even up to now i still don't understand them please teach me

"ditto" i thought here you mispelled my name
"btw" and some others

what a funny isn't it

#### ramset

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##### Re: New TPU build
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2009, 02:31:04 AM »
Tito
'Ditto' is to completely agree
F-M-all   is not a nice thing
Chet