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## Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: tishatang on June 14, 2009, 10:51:14 AM

Title: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 14, 2009, 10:51:14 AM
Hi All,
This topic could also be called "Poor Man's TPU"?  "Poor" meaning I am only a backyard mechanic.  There is no way I can figure out the sophisticated circuitry on how Steven Mark did it.  How he attained magnetic field rotation and somehow tapped the energy of the earth's magnetic field, (torsion waves?) and then fed it back into the circuits to gain power and then to somehow control it to prevent a black hole of magnetic flux implosion that will suck the nails right out of the walls.  Certainly not for the faint of heart and my hat is off to those who have decided to push on after all this time.  These few brave souls take great risk for the benefit of us all.  I applaud them.

If we could first solve the problem of stable rotating magnetic fields, we could then explore how SM used these fields to interact with the earth's fields to magnify the power.  And then we could start to learn how to control it.

GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE ROTATION.  There is an elegant simple solution to generate a rotating magnetic field using energy as simple as a AA battery!  It's all right here at:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7113.0

Jonnydavro discovered you could rotate a magnet on top of standard Bedini bilfiler or trifiler coil and circuitry.  Use this as the heart of the TPU.  You now only have to figure out how to collect the energy and how to interface with the earth's fields, and how to limit the positive feedback back to the Bedini controller coil.  It is only a matter of time before certain geometries of coils and frequencies of rotation will be accidentally discovered with dangerous results.  See here:

This is not the way SM did it, but a mechanical rotation magnetic field has many advantages.  No complex circuitry for rotation and speed regulation.  The inertia of the magnet buys time to correct excessive feedback to prevent runaway.  Instead of microseconds or maybe milliseconds to react, you might have a second or two before the magnet picks up enough speed?  There is also another failsafe.  The magnet will explode before electric runaway happens.  One should use a heavy plastic scatter shield.

I suggest you study this thread with the possibility to use this as the heart of a TPU.  I personally feel counter rotating fields are important.  I believe the colliding fields generate scalar waves and this is the source of the incoming energy.  In other words the sea of energy in the vacuum is scalar in principle and it takes a scalar device to intercept them.  The Bedini coils will have to be squashed down like a doughnut shape with one above the other.  The top magnet will spin in the direction with the natural torsion waves of the earth.  The way the drain wants to go down in the northern hemisphere, and opposite spin on the bottom.  This will put the colliding fields as close to each other as possible.

Putting the magnets inside the coils looks like it would make a more compact TPU unit?  This is being done in later pages of the thread.  They are  claiming speeds of 150k to 300k rpm?

I hope this gets some juices going and spurs further enthusiasm for the TPU.  They are having fun on the other thread.  Why can't we?

Tishatang

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Hoppy on June 14, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
@ Tishatang

Good post. I posted way back that I believe SM was controlling positive feedback, simply because IMO his smaller TPU's just could not have been complex devices utilising involved frequency generation and modulation.

Very heavy currents can be maintained from even low capacity NICAD or Lithium battery backs under controlled feedback to source and the art is to control this feedback which I believe SM was able to do reasonably well and probably used a form of SEPIC converter to do this. We know that heat generation was a big problem for SM and this is exactly what a feedback to source system will produce in adundance. I am quite sure that the effects seen in SM's videos will be able to be replicated reasonably easily with a good DC/DC converter design using some clever air cored coil config. lt would be worth the effort, just to satisfy that illuminating mains light bulbs and running small tools and small televisions is quite possible with relatively simple and innovative inverter setups using very modest battery supplies.

Hoppy
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: ramset on June 14, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Well they are both interesting ideas
I like the spinning magnet, scalar wave coil's idea
especially that last vid
Tishatang, great idea and observations
can you post some links on how to replicate?
Chet
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 15, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
@Hoppy
I think the very first TPU video offers clues to its simplicity.  The placement of a magnet gets it going and turning it over turns it off.  This suggests to me that perhaps it is not a counter rotating mag field device, but just has one rotating field.  If it had counter rotating fields, I don't think it would shut down, maybe just drop in power?  If this assumption is correct, then it makes the first build simpler to discover the secret.  The latest big TPU, is started by throwing two switches.  One for each field?

@Chet
I wish I could lay it all out for you.  All I can do is give my ideas based on my reading and intuition.  In April of 2006, I suggested the freq of 175Khz to 180Khz was important because this was the freq suggested by the working of the Coler device and the MRA.  This is claimed to be the freq of ferro-magnetism.  This is borne out again by the latest experiments on the TPU here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.0.html

"After tweaking the first frequency, we found that 176.6 kHz made the bulb glow the brightest"

"I do have one more video to share with you all which I think you will love. After 'primimg' my TPU with the the two frequencies mentioned in my last post, I was able to light the 40W bulb to its Full Brightness off the the TPU ONLY on the 176.6 kHz frequency alone! It was as if the TPU had some kind of memory and kept lighting up consistently the bulb!"  by Jdo300

As you read this thread, it reminds you everything can go up in a flash.  Also, what they are doing is way beyond understanding of circuitry.  What I would try is the following:

Build a trifilar bedini coil magnet motor.  The coils would be;  energizer, trigger and control.  Use a spherical magnet or one of those cylinder magnets with a ball bearing in the hole.  They seem to be very stable.  those snake eggs seem stable also.  What we want is a stable motor that can be ramped up in rpm.

Get a degaussing coil or make your own as a collector coil.  Link here:

Whatever you use as your collector coil see if you can get it to self resonate at 176.6 Khz by using maybe trimmer caps.  Maybe you could use a  old variable air tuning cap from an old radio hooked up as a tank resonate circuit?  Hook up a function generator to the collector coil.  You now have two frequencies to play with.  The speed of the magnet motor and the freq of the generator.  If the frequency of the signal generator matches the resonate frequency of the collector/tank circuit coil, standing waves around the collector will result.  A harmonic of the resonate frequency will also result in standing waves.   Harmonics freq farther away from the fundamental freq will produce more standing waves, but less amplitude.  As you get closer to the fundamental  frequency there will be less standing waves, but higher amplitude (voltage).  If the resonant freq of the collector is 180Khz and the function generator is putting 90Khz into the coil. you will have two standing waves of high voltage peaks.  This is where you want to place two power/feedback to source and control windings.  The highest voltage  voltage possible would be to have the freq input equal to the resonant freq of the coil/tank circuit at 180Khz (176.6Khz) giving you one standing wave where to voltage would be limited to the Q of the circuit.  If the generator put out 10 volts AC and the Q was 100, you would have 1000 volts at the peak of the standing wave.  If Q was 200, and you were at 90 Khz, you would have two standing waves each with approx 1000 volts.  It is important to have a stable resonant freq in the collector.  Because if it drifts, the peaks where you have the control windings will move out of place.  By having a resonant freq of 180Khz on the collector coil and then placing a magnet on the coil will tend to lock that freq tight and prevent drift.

Another alternative is to maybe have a crystal with a freq of 180K in the circuit?

When the rotating magnetic field of the motor cuts across the standing waves of the collector ring, this is where you might generate the scalar waves?  It is hoped that as the motor speed is ramped up, certain harmonics will make for unexpected results.  It seems the earth's magnetic field or the Schumann freqs will add to the mix.  If one wanted to get really brave, I wonder what would happen if you took one of those high speed motors with the spherical magnet inside and ramped it up to 180Khz, and at the same time the function generator is at 180Khz into the coil with its resonant freq at 180Khz?

Good luck to all.
tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 15, 2009, 11:23:58 AM
Hello all,

@tishatang

1. listen the videos
2. think totally "ouside the box" about resonances and all the stuff

I wish you good luck.

No further commects form my side

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: jonnydavro on June 15, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
Hi tishatang.I don't have much idea on what the TPU is or does but i will read up on it as if it is like you suspect and we are heading in that direction it may be handy to look at the map before we set off.
If anyone chooses to try your idea out and needs any help on the motor aspect then don't hesitate to ask as we are quite a helpful bunch and we may be able to help each other.
It would be really great if The one magnet no bearing Bedini motor could evolve into something so important as a TPU so thanks tishatang for maybe seeing the potential and starting this thread.Good luck gentlemen and you know where we are.Regards jonny
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: ramset on June 16, 2009, 02:59:57 AM
Tishatang
WOW!!
Thankyou for sharing !!
This mechanical TPU sounds safer to experiment with [I hope]
and besides, as you said these guys are having FUN
Fun and changing the world ,you gotta love that !!

Chet
PS where is JD300?
Otto
Johny
THANKS!!!
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 16, 2009, 03:31:16 AM
@Otto
I suppose I am thinking outside the box to even start this thread?  The videos you mention, I assume are the Steven Mark videos?  Or maybe your videos?  Can you give a link to the specific videos?
I wanted a TPU for my 70th birthday.  Now, I'm going to be 73 at the end of the year.  Can you please give a little more comments or hints?

@Jonnydavro
Thanks for your offer  of help.  For our purposes, I think we would want a nice stable spinning magnet.  One that does not move around the base and one that can have a wide range of speed.  If you could post the circuit of a proven trifilar Bedini coil or a link, it would help those on this tread not familiar with the Bedini motor concept.

The TPU stuff on this forum is a vast labyrinth of hundreds of pages over the years.  Many of the threads started on this subject have ended up being pissing contests over knowledgeable people over who right over some technical issue.  But, Otto is right and you have to throw conventional thinking out the window. For starters go here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2383.0

I would recommend the early threads started by Mannix  and other early threads or search their posts.  I wanted to point out on your thread there are potential dangers when you start mixing coils, frequencies and moving magnetic fields.  I also saw that your spinning magnet motor would jump start research into the TPU by giving a rotating magnetic field to play with.  We both are playing with rotating magnetic fields and experiment with how to collect the energy.

tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 16, 2009, 05:57:57 AM
Hello all,

@tishatang

yes, Steven Marks videos at peswiki. Im sorry but I dont have enough time to give you an exact link. Just google "peswiki, Steven Mark.

Control: 22 turns lamp wire
Collector: multiturn Moebius, lamp wire for a negative resistance

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 16, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Thanks Otto,
You are a gentleman and a scholar.  These are great hints.

Lamp wire because it has many fine strands to keep it flexible.  Something about the energy collected will seek each individual strands and be multiplied instead of a single strand wire.  Possible many stranded litz or speaker wire will do also?  Usually the more expensive the wire, the more strands.

A mobius coil is a scalar coil.  There is also the caduceus coil which is a scalar coil.  One secret about scalar coils is the wires cross perpendicular or 90 degrees to each other.  The energy that goes into the coil folds back onto itself and as the respective wire"s magnetic fields collide, they emit scalar waves.  They also receive scalar waves.

http://www.littlemountainsmudge.com/mobiuscontinuosknot.htm

This mobius coil is probably an overkill for our purposes.  My son made one of these coils and you could feel the coil jerk in your hand when he touched the ends to a battery.  Search Otto's posts and maybe he describes his coil?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

This is the Naudin site experiments with the caduceus coil.  Supposedly, this coil was given to Wilbert Smith in the 1950's by the ET's?  Search Wilbert Smith on RexResearch.com.

Warning!!! Putting a rotating magnetic field inside one of these coils goes into unchartered waters.  Try to keep your experiment simple and safe.  Change only one thing at a time.  Document everything you do..  That way if something unexpected happens for you to say, "That's funny"  or if everything goes "poof", you can reconstruct what you did for the benefit of us all.

Good luck to all
Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 16, 2009, 10:20:31 AM
Hello all,

@tishatang

again, listen what SM said in the videos.

Come on, make me happy!!!!

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 16, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
Hello all,

@tishatang

in the video is a information that NEVER was discussed, NEVER heared because the people are "sitting on their ears" as we say in my country.....this is one of the most impoertant informations for TPU builders, Tesla technology researchers......and all people working on PULSED systems.

I would show you the exact link but I have a nice nickname:

Otto

PS: its not the learned from books, its the expirience from thousands of coils
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Hoppy on June 16, 2009, 05:12:07 PM
Hello all,

@tishatang

again, listen what SM said in the videos.

Come on, make me happy!!!!

Otto

Otto

To my mind SM's main message was the importance of the magnetic flux cutting as many short lengths of conductor as possible and very few people appear to have concentrated on this in their designs. This would suggest that he used many parallel connected and insulated strands of wire in his collector coils and then impedance matched to his load. I see these multiple strands as occupying the whole of the signal generated magnetic field area for maximum coupling.

Hoppy
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 16, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
Hello all,

@Hoppy

yes but Im refering to something about NEVER was "wasted" a word about but its soooooo important you cant imagine.

Watch and especially LISTEN SMs video.

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: ramset on June 16, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
Otto
are these the vids ?
The ones JD300 posted here?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg89361.html#msg89361

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: jonnydavro on June 16, 2009, 11:58:32 PM
Hi.I have enclosed the circuit i am using.I find that this circuit gives a high degree of speed and amp control from 1.2v upwards.There is also an option to recover bemf from the relay in series with the trigger circuit which you may be able to put to good use but the diodes and caps can be omitted.
Regarding rotor choice.Both the cylinder magnet and sphere's can obtain high rpms and stability depends to some extent on the load placed on the rotor.An evenly spread load won't effect the rotor as much as an unbalanced load.That said there are ways to stabilise the sphere without impacting rpm's so it may be best to try both types to see whats best suited to your needs.
Here is a link to the standard Bedini circuit so you can compare the two.This circuit also works fine but with heavier current draw.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnBedini/SG/RickFriedrich_SSG/Schematic2.jpg
Regarding trifiar coils.I dont have any of John Bedini's plans but here is link to a Trifillar ssg which is built to john's specs but i would try winding three 250 gram spools of 26 swg wire.This keeps everything 1:1
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/message/2613?var=1&l=1
Here are a couple of links for diametric magnets and sphere's as these can be hard to source.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=16
http://www.first4magnets.com/diametrically-magnetised-magnets-32-c.asp
Hope this helps regards jonny
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 17, 2009, 04:56:23 AM
@Jonnydavro
Thanks for your input re circuit and where to get hard to find cylinder magnets.  I like the way they spin in your videos.  We will not use the third winding for bemf, but will be used for feedback to gain power after we figure out how to collect the energy.  The pulses sent to this coil will be in phase with the energizing coil.  That way when the magnet wants to slow down when loaded, the feedback will drive the magnet harder and maintain its speed.  We will have to do our own engineering of how to control this feedback to prevent runaway.  So, for now just wind three stranded coil and use two for the standard Bedini motor circuit.  The third coil will be there when we are ready for it.

@Otto
It has been about two years since I have been contributing anything about the TPU.  It was just getting too technical in the posts.  I will review the videos.  It is good they are on Google video because youtube is currently blocked by the China firewall.

There is one thing SM said that I don't think was really discussed on the forums?  That was that you could send more than on frequency down a wire (coil) and each would maintain its own integrity.  One would normally think that to mix two frequencies, one would have to have two separate coils next to each other.  But actually,  you could just send the two freqs  into a single wire and accomplish the same thing.

Could it be that you are sending two or three freqs into a single wire wound mobius coil?  That within the coil, they will do their thing and mix and create giants spikes as their peaks merge?  Then these spikes create the scalar magic?   Does this idea make you happy?

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 17, 2009, 05:51:26 AM
Hello all,

all your posts are OK but Im still missing the main point.

Where are now the "elite members"??

Shouldnt they be the leaders here and not a little man from a little country?
The last night I couldnt sleep because I was suching in my little brain for the worst words that you cant imagine, to wright them down here and to show what Im thinking about the people here but....I have to be nice!! And this is not easy for me because I trusted the people hereand they misleaded ME!! Yes, I was misleaded.

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Mk1 on June 17, 2009, 06:40:29 AM
@Tishatang

I think 2 freq one coil is easier then 2 coil , usually the second coil is almost useless since it will trigger the other coil anyway.

@Otto

You work hard , I hat off to you .

But to me elite doesn't mean much , but a bunch of guy that like sounding smarter then the other. They all have in common the tpu , well the big part of it .

I my self started from the toroid , that you can see , in some tpu the first one bail wire on a dvd plastic holder and the big one has 2 toroid .

I find it really interesting how the tpu and hendershot motor have the same basic parts and configuration , also the story is quite similar.

I do think there is some people misleading people , but mostly by vanity .
And some are payed.

ed leedskalnin showed us how to get free orbit , a secondary should give free power?

Mark

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tsl on June 17, 2009, 07:55:48 AM
Hello all,

all your posts are OK but Im still missing the main point.

Where are now the "elite members"??

Shouldnt they be the leaders here and not a little man from a little country?
The last night I couldnt sleep because I was suching in my little brain for the worst words that you cant imagine, to wright them down here and to show what Im thinking about the people here but....I have to be nice!! And this is not easy for me because I trusted the people hereand they misleaded ME!! Yes, I was misleaded.

Otto

Why this game Otto?why is this HocusPocus needed? You are a elite member afterall.Why don't you say clear what you have to say if you can bring others closer to the Truth?
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 17, 2009, 08:14:01 AM
@Otto
You brought up a good point.  Where are the main players?  When I was more active here, I remember what must have been hundreds of pages of posts on just how to get rotation of a magnetic field.  This was a major problem that did not seem to have simple solutions.  Recently, I finally did manage to get around the firewall and decided to look at the Bedini no bearing motor thread.  It relied on youtube videos a lot plus I thought it was standard Bedini stuff.  When I finally accessed youtube and saw what was going on, I realized a major problem solved for the TPU.  I did not sleep all night, my mind going through how I was going to break the good news.  I appreciate the few that have joined in here, but the silence is deafening.  However, it is better to have quality than quantity.

@Mark
Thanks for joining in.  You expressed a lot of my thought exactly.

@All
It seems to me in general is a lack of curiosity about unexpected results of experiments.  For example if you go here:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/index.htm

Naudin does not follow through with more experiments of his soliton pulse caduceus coil.  What is causing the ringing after the big pulse on the scope.  Is it a resonance of the coil or is it a resonance of the ether?  He does not show a test of a different input frequency.  If the ringing is at the same freq, it would suggest a harmonic of the ether.  What would happen if the coil were near a spinning magnetic field at the speed of the ringing?

Tishatang

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 17, 2009, 08:16:32 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

I saw a lot of toroids that could be some sort of a TPU. Especially the "sweet drawing" showed at magnetism.fateback.

Not to mention Teslas toroids. They are fantastic.

Edit:

@tishatang

it seems that we have a lot of loosers here. They thought the TPU would be solved in a few months. HA!Â¨
As they had no success, a lot of them blamed SM....you remember the thread ....

And ALL THE TIME THEY HAD THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THEIR NOSES!!!

But todays people dont want to LISTEN, not to mention that they dont want to WORK, but yes, they want success!!

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Hoppy on June 17, 2009, 09:13:51 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

I saw a lot of toroids that could be some sort of a TPU. Especially the "sweet drawing" showed at magnetism.fateback.

Not to mention Teslas toroids. They are fantastic.

Edit:

@tishatang

it seems that we have a lot of loosers here. They thought the TPU would be solved in a few months. HA!Â¨
As they had no success, a lot of them blamed SM....you remember the thread ....

And ALL THE TIME THEY HAD THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THEIR NOSES!!!

But todays people dont want to LISTEN, not to mention that they dont want to WORK, but yes, they want success!!

Otto

From what you say, as an elite you appear to have succeeded in building a working TPU. If this is the case you are either prepared to share your success or not. If you are, then please share your wisdom with us and tell us what we are not smelling 'in front of our noses'.

Hoppy
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: turbo on June 17, 2009, 09:31:46 AM

Where are the main players?

Tishatang

They are long gone.
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 17, 2009, 09:33:26 AM
Helo all

@Hoppy

Im still a little man from a little country, nothing else.

In this moment I have a biiiig NOTHING. I have a TPU with wrong cores of course ( that was clear from the first moment I builded them)....but from my work and only from my work I have a much better understanding whats going on in a TPU then other people. No, I dont want to wright how I see a Tpu is working, or what Tesla did with his toroids because there would be needed a lot of pages and a lot of time. For me its better to spend this time with building my ..... version of a TPU. Finally after hmmm.....over 150 complete builded TPUs, not even to mention thousands of coils so I could learn how and why...

To share is nice but I would be a total idiot to do this because in the past we all made TPUs that were a "joke"!!! I touched a wire, burned a lot of times my fingers....a TPU with a core is something totally different. This is NOT for people without expirience. Such a TPU is a real monster, even for me. All I want to say that I can show the people a working TPU only when its finnished and safe.
Im wrighting this because you saw how SM lighted a few bulbs.....this was only to show you that a TPU is able to do it. To show you that in a TPU is power. But dont even think SM showed you the maximal output power of a TPU!

Otto

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 17, 2009, 12:21:40 PM
Hi Marco.
Glad to see you are still here and not long gone.

@All
Steven Mark himself said he gave enough info out for someone to figure it out.  He had to speak in parables, because he sold everything out to a corporation.  Non-disclosure affidavits forbid you to let the cat out of the bag.  When the corp applied for patents, it is obvious the were commandeered in the "Interests of National Security."  It is a threat to big oil, big electric and anything to do with the combustion engine.

The fact remains, in spite of the dangers in figuring it out, it is the "holy grail" of energy for the common man.  We have new parameters to play with and everyone has a part to play.  As long as we focus on the goal and not get diverted, slow and steady will win the race.

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 17, 2009, 01:55:44 PM
Hello all,

@tishatang

you nailed it!

Dont you all think its the "last minute" to finish the TPU?

Look the big changes we have on our little poor planet. You all can see the disasters.

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 17, 2009, 04:57:21 PM
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Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 17, 2009, 05:00:32 PM
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Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Mk1 on June 18, 2009, 02:21:58 AM
@all

I think that those that have parts of the tpu working should try to create new treads but not in the tpu tread box , but concentrate on teaching parts of it , basic principal , and let people work together , not the usual typical tup dynamics . Plus is sound more reasonable when more people get the basics and people will join , but everyone wants to make it first bragging rights , will never help anyone.

Sm told us not big circuit , its all in the coils , so i started there in the jt tread , since tpu use a ferrite toroid , remember the tpu doesn't work on 12 v , remember the one that gives 60 volts and if you remove the magnet the voltage drops , and the 15 inch one has 2 ferrite toroid , i never saw any mention of this , but that is where i started , no know it all , good people working together , hell we turned a led lighter into a clf one that runs on less then a volt . i have learned about coil , SM told me about it!

I started at the base not the roof , but we may meet at mid point!

Mark
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 18, 2009, 06:48:38 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

sorry to ask a dump question but who said that in a TPU is a ferrite core?

Of course, you can use metals as you want but then you have to know what to do with them. I mean, you cant pulse a ferrite TPU with the known frequencies of 245kHz, 35kHz....
Various metals needs various frequency mixes. A ferrite core has to be pulsed with a veeeeery high frequency mix. If not, you have a toaster and not a TPU!
If you think Im misleading you, just look how Tesla did it. He had to use a sparc gap. It has a special reason for that but I dont want to discuss it here.
A TPU doesnt work on 12V?

Dont mix the input voltage and the output voltage of a TPU.
The input voltage is from 9V - 12V
Its better to use 9V because then you can "hide" a 9V battery inside your TPU. If course its not a final solution but for me good enough. Its only a "starter battery" that will give a few kicks and then, when the TPU is started you can switch off the battery. As said, its not a final solution.

Otto

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Mk1 on June 18, 2009, 07:12:50 AM
@otto

Well i guess you have looked at it to long , I am not confused at all !

I tell you there is one , why ?

Because you can see it !

I am not convinced there really is a battery in the tpu . So 9 or 12v is still pretty high.

Mark

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 18, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
Mark,

yes, I see what you mean. This what you showed us are the high voltage input transformers.

Dont mix this with a TPU core. This is NOT a TPU core.

Otto
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 18, 2009, 08:25:45 AM
Philosophical musings

@Otto
"No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come."
by Victor Hugo

It's time for a TPU

@All
Remember the story of the blind men trying to describe an elephant?  Each had a different part.  One had the tail and said it's long and thin and hairy.  Another had the trunk and said it's like a snake.  Another had the ear and said it is like a large pancake.  While another grabbed a leg and said it is something like a tree.  Finally, one got enough vision to proclaim, "Damn, it's an elephant.

Our elephant is the TPU.  Until one of us gets the vision, we are blind to the basic principles.  Once understood, all kinds of TPU's can be built.  Once electro magnetic principles were understood, all kinds of motors evolved.  You can see the evolution of the TPU of SM.  The first one weighed about a pound and a half and put out about 100 watts.  Later, a similar sized one, weighed 12 ounces and put out 300 watts.  Maybe the first used iron or ferrite, and the later ones were all windings with no cores?  If you know the principles, you can make it work either way.  Think the first ones as a Ford Model T, then a Model A, and we will make a sports car one day.

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 18, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
Hello all,

@tishatang

the main problem is that everyone has a vision.

Here are my questions to give you maybe "visions":

1. do we really need a high voltage to pulse a TPU?
2. do we really need a core in a TPU?
3. If yes, whats the purpose of a core?
4. If not a core, why not?
5. Is there a negative resistance needed or not?
6. is there a need to "hide" the load from a TPU?

I could wright 100 questions.

I think youre joking with me - us:

A pound and a half heavy TPU puts out about 100W??

Come on. For a 100W output I dont need a core! Remember the ECD?

The bigger the weight and diameter, the bigger the output. I made some calculations and thats it. The only question is: where is the limit? Of course it doesnt depend only on this 2 factors. There is a lot more. Yes, this is very important.

Trust me there is no iron and no ferrite.

Otto

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: turbo on June 18, 2009, 12:22:56 PM

the main problem is that everyone has a vision.

The main problem is that everyone is blind or just too stupid to try things.
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 18, 2009, 01:56:32 PM
@Otto
I was reviewing the videos like you asked.   Go here:

The first unit is the 6 inch one and half pounder.  I seemed to have missed the brief mention it put out 5 amps.  But, all he showed was it lighting a 100 watt bulb,emphasizing 100 volts at one amp.  The next small 4 inch unit was a continuation of a 100 watt bulb demonstration.  In my old man's mind, it same power, smaller unit.

Later, he shows another 6 inch unit that weighed only 12 ounces and actually demonstrated that it put out more power than the first 6 inch unit.  Another evolution of power to weight ratio over time.  When we discover the secrets, we will improve over SM's versions.

I know English is not you native language.  In my last post about the blind men and the elephant, I was trying to make the point it is not worth arguing about details whether there were iron cores or not.  You are arguing that there are no iron or ferrite cores.  OK!  I agree with you.  I never claimed there were.  If one were to read an earlier post of yours, you said you were not using the correct cores.  Based on that, one would assume you were for cores?   Video one of the above link shows a unit being cut in half.  Obviously no iron or ferrite core.

Also, go here:

It offers the best clues of the technology.

I really don't want arguments over details that have been hashed over many times on the past TPU threads.  What I would like to see here is someone actually building the Bedini coil motor as the centerpiece of a TPU.  Report your results here and, hopefully, things will go easier?  My regret is now that I am fired up again, I am not in a position to do my own build.  So, I came up with an idea, and it is up to you all to decide if it is worth doing the experiments.

Welcome aboard, Marco

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: wattsup on June 18, 2009, 02:50:33 PM
@otto

- 6TPU -

When he let the other guy hold it that guy said, "Buzzing, Vibration, Slight Noise", then SM took it back and said "Vibration, slight gyroscopic effect", as if to want to negate the other guys observation of the buzzing and slight noise. Hmmmmmm. Why would this  guy say that and why would SM then take the TPU and say just vibration. lol

Dim: OD 6" - High 2" - Core thickness 3/4".
Weight: 1.5 pounds
Measured output: 121.8 volts
Stated output: Range from 110 to 145 volts
Output Amps: Up to 5 amps at 100 volts or up to 500 watts. (not 100 watts).
Frequency: 5000 hz

Consider that at 5 amps output, the 6TPU would have to have many wires in parallel otherwise how do you get 5 amps. The voltage is secondary here since getting 100 volts is the easiest part. But try to get just 100 volts with 1 amp, very hard to do, then consider the 6TPU making 5 amps. Ouch.

Series makes voltage.
Parallel makes amps.
So what does Looping make?

Also, the output is continuous and always available meaning the gain in the device can maintain itself and not get killed by any over saturation of a core in the conventional sense.

Now if the output was held in a internal dioded or rectified output capacitor, how big would a 100volts 5 amp capacitor look like?

Now if there is no output capacitor bank, then the devices HAS to maintain a looping sequence that regenerates itself and that does not self-over-saturate.

Comparison. Find on the market an step up transformer that has 9-12vac primary and a 5 amp 100 vac secondary and see how big it is and how much it weighs. Hmmmm.

Funny thing. A reed switch will buzz, vibrate and make a slight noise and it won't last more then 20 minutes before it just sticks. Also, it needs a magnet to start the vibrating or switching. lol

Also, a reed switch will work without a magnet if it is near a coil and the coil can put out enough mag field around it. But if the coil is toroidal, it will hold the field inside and then you would need a magnet to bias the field around the reed switch.

Last point on reed switch is that it does not have to handle the full load to any coiling. Just to do the switching to a transistor is enough.

No, I am not saying run after reed switches because it could be done many ways.

Keep on going. This is good.

wattsup
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 18, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
@All
You know it has been 3 years since I last saw TPU videos.  Am I getting old and senile or are these videos a little different?  Go here:

I don't remeber so much detail of the insides of the 17 inch TPU.  Maybe I did not look at all the videos available back then?  I suggested you download these videos by clicking on the download link.

Is this video different?

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Hoppy on June 18, 2009, 04:10:41 PM
@ wattsup

Good post. Now you may have seen Ossie Calahan's 'A Working Radiant Free Energy System". This was basically a simple reed switched power transistors, in turn switching low resistance iron cored coils arranged as four poles to drive a PM magnet rotor. This setup produces a considerable amount of radiant energy which Ossie used to charge batteries. There is nothing special about this in that there are many other variations of motors working on this principle but these are capable of fast charging and considerably increasing battery capacity where low resistance coils are used.

We know that parallel connected coil strands considerably lower DC resistance / impedance and I feel that we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility that SM used this to his advantage by 'super charging' a reasonably small hidden NICAD battery pack which was then used to run an efficient DC to DC boost or SEPIC converter to power the load. I have had no real problems building such a device within the scale of SM's small TPU to power a 60V mains lamp at a good brightness for the period time necessary to convince a demo audience. This approach produces the heat and more importantly suggests why SM had to fiddle with his starter magnet to get the TPU running. This is because there needs to be a magnetic bias applied to the reed switch in order for it to switch cleanly without burning out too quickly. This bias also helps to optimise the operating frequency. Unlike Ossie's motor, SM was not using a rotor and his generator need only have been a simple reed switch based oscillator(s) driving parallel connected multi-strand air cored coils or possibly iron bailing wire cored coils (to increase inductance) feeding tank caps which in turn powered a DC-DC converter.

Hoppy
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: wattsup on June 19, 2009, 01:10:51 AM
@All
You know it has been 3 years since I last saw TPU videos.  Am I getting old and senile or are these videos a little different?  Go here:

I don't remeber so much detail of the insides of the 17 inch TPU.  Maybe I did not look at all the videos available back then?  I suggested you download these videos by clicking on the download link.

Is this video different?

Tishatang

If you search Jack Durban on this forum, at one time we got some better resolution copies of the old videos.

Too bad he never found the beta copy.
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Grumpy on June 19, 2009, 05:11:40 AM
The main problem is that everyone is blind or just too stupid to try things.

Here here - a meter of beer for Marco...
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Mk1 on June 19, 2009, 06:24:23 AM
Mark,

yes, I see what you mean. This what you showed us are the high voltage input transformers.

Dont mix this with a TPU core. This is NOT a TPU core.

Otto

This is your point of view , if Steven told me i will give you either the coils or the circuit , i swear i take the circuit and small toroid in a heart beat. You can get the coil or tpu like you say . But that is just me .

So i started there , you say you need high voltage pulses , i make that form almost nothing , plus ferrite is high freq , SM said one 5000hz and another time 6000 something. I can get that also , so ....

Mark

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 19, 2009, 07:29:35 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

so, you swear to take the circuit. OK, no problem.

Look at magnetism.fateback com, or here in the forum for the same circuit. I dont remember where its posted. THERE YOU HAVE THE CIRCUIT!!! In front of your all noses. Its on the web for years now. You have "only" to modify it a little bit. The number of turns and then to use 3 of them.

Satisfied??

Or look into the ECD pdf, I think there you can find the Sweet drawing. Is this device mady by Lloyd Sweet or is the author another man??

Or even look at some of my circuits.

But of course my circuits are not worth to mention. They have nothing to do with a TPU, ha,ha.

Yesterday I said about the 2 pictures that this are high voltage input transformers. As I was in a hurry I wrote it wrong! The picture of the 6" transformer IS a high voltage input transformer and that was correct but in the 15" TPU picture we see output coils. Sorry for that, my mistake.

@wattsup

you nailed it, ha,ha. How big is a oridinary 110V or 230V/12V/5A or in reverse, transformer?? Why is such a transformer so big?

I have at home a little 230V/12V transformer. The output current is only 129mA. And I have a 2 pound 230V/12V transformer able to give more at5A or so, its not important.
Why cant my little transformer deliver the same current as my big transformer??

Maybe the people here can spell it out? Im not so bright.

Otto

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 19, 2009, 07:59:13 AM
@Wattsup
Thanks for the reference of Jack Durban.  I am finding it hard to find what is really on his hi def DVD.  I found a post by  Jdo300, for files.  But, link is blocked by China firewall.  Also, everything slows to a crawl as everything coming in is funneled thru filters.  Right now I can not access GoogleVideo but in brief spurts.  What I do is download the video and watch it later.

I am concerned that many on the TPU forums have not seen this video:

It is not linked on Peswike that Otto recommended.  Peswike is only linking Videos 2,3,and 4.  This is video 1 and is about one hour long.  The first half is dedicated to the 17 TPU.  It is not running at full power and there is a lot of poking around and the audio is lost in the noise.  I assume this is the one cut apart?

Can you please watch the first half of this video and verify it is same as on the Jack Durban video.  I want to make sure this video is known and not overlooked for the last 3 years.

If someone has video software who could redo this first 30 minutes and enhance the sound track with an equalizer, I am sure many would find it very enlightening.  Lots of clues are being said that I cannot hear.

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Mk1 on June 19, 2009, 09:12:17 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

so, you swear to take the circuit. OK, no problem.

Look at magnetism.fateback com, or here in the forum for the same circuit. I dont remember where its posted. THERE YOU HAVE THE CIRCUIT!!! In front of your all noses. Its on the web for years now. You have "only" to modify it a little bit. The number of turns and then to use 3 of them.

Satisfied??

Or look into the ECD pdf, I think there you can find the Sweet drawing. Is this device mady by Lloyd Sweet or is the author another man??

Or even look at some of my circuits.

But of course my circuits are not worth to mention. They have nothing to do with a TPU, ha,ha.

Yesterday I said about the 2 pictures that this are high voltage input transformers. As I was in a hurry I wrote it wrong! The picture of the 6" transformer IS a high voltage input transformer and that was correct but in the 15" TPU picture we see output coils. Sorry for that, my mistake.

Let me tell you one thing otto , i did look at those nice things you made so far , but still ... Not convincing , well the circuit offer on magnetism.fateback com i will gladly take if that is the the real deal , could not find it i will try again , be honestly what is the problem otto , when i read your replies i have a hard time believing that you are the right person to help us , or anyone , I tough you were a better man , it maybe lost in translation , but the way you show narrow mindedness that knocked me off my feet.

And this is the nice version.

I still think you are in Leading figure here , i respect that , and anything you say but i always did that for everyone .

Well i don't see any tpu magnetism.fateback com .

Nice site anyway , and every things looks familiar there.

Mark

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: otto on June 19, 2009, 09:51:26 AM
Hello all,

@Mark

I dont care if somebody wants my help or not. My "job" here is only to share....some of my findings.

Im not so good educated as I would want to be (Im only a TV repair man), my English is poor, I have to use simple words....

So, I would say ignore my posts as the most people have done. I dont have any problems with that.

Maybe you could show me my .....again, misleadings?? I mean I dont know where I have made the "mess". Maybe Then I could better understand?
In really not Tesla.

Otto

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: BEP on June 19, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
@Otto

I am not ignoring your posts. I am applying, building and testing.
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 20, 2009, 03:45:10 AM
@All
It occurred to me that you don't have to physically have the Bedini coils in the center of the TPU.   You can run a satellite magnet in the center as in this video.

This can give you a nice compact build to experiment with a rotating magnetic field and your collector coils, etc.  Feedback and control can be fed back to the driving coils of the main spinning magnet.  Hope this helps?

Tishatang
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: BEP on June 20, 2009, 06:41:50 AM
If you don't mind me asking... what is the highest RPM reached on this spinning magnet device?
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: innovation_station on June 20, 2009, 09:17:06 AM
If you don't mind me asking... what is the highest RPM reached on this spinning magnet device?

i saw 1 @ 150 000 rpm ........

;D

lol

ist!
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 20, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
@BEP

Link to 150,000 rpm verified on 'scope.  Have heard mention of others at 300.000 rpm?

Tish
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: BEP on June 20, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Thanks,

My best estimate for a minimum is 288k RPM on my current coils if I try the spinning magnet.

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 20, 2009, 11:10:59 PM
HELOO TO ALL
BRAVO  THAT IS THE SPIN BUT WHITOUT NEO INSAID THAT IM SAY
BUT STILL THE PROBLEM AC INPUT AND AC OUT  IF YOU PUT THE SECUNDARY COIL IN PLACE WHERE IS NEO WAY

I DONT HO IS THAT VIDEO HO MADE BUT IS NO NEED TO INCREASING THE FREKFENCY TO THIS COIL  TO HAve more speed
no high input pulses to that coil to have 300k spins

DO YOU KNOW ENyBODY HOW IS POSIBLE TO HAVE SPIN MORE FAST WHITOUT INCRESING THE INPUT FREKFENCY

what now you @mannix  whill say do you know how
or I TO ASK STEVEN MARK  HOW IS POSIBLE

YES IS POSIBLE AND IS SO SIMPLE

IF THE SPINS IS 250K   IMAGEN I WHILL IF I WHANT WHILL BE LETS SAY 250K  SPINS  JUST IN ONE SECUND

I LIKE TO ASK  YOU  MANNIX  DO YOU KNOW HOW  ;)
S.M VIDEO HO HAS  NOT BEANG SEE HERE   ONLY TALKING ABOUT THAT SOME VIDE HO IS IN THE CENTER HAAS COMPAS  AND IS SPIN

and ther is soem old  stuff i have read here that if  has to much spins then  the compass whill be  no makeing turning  hmmm

i thing the s.m is like to see  here or eny ather forums  what  and how  is made that ok now
that is  first STEP NOW VORTEX  YES  S.M AND MANNIX
S.M YOU HAVE SAY  IN YOUR FIRST SMALL TPU <LIKE JET ENGINE MAKEING SPINS
THAT IS  SIMPLE EXPLANE OF  YOU GREAT DEVICES

BUT YOU SAY HOW  TO MAKE  that setup

i like to ask you  or  mannix
did you find  solution how to cooling  that t.p.u s   ;)

Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: Grumpy on June 21, 2009, 05:14:59 AM
a compass will follow an electric field or magnetic field
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: tishatang on June 21, 2009, 09:17:40 AM
@MACEDONIA CD

The increase in frequency is automatic of the driving coil.  That's the beauty of this system because it is so simple.  The second bifilar coil is the trigger coil.  I automatically fires the transistor at the right time.  The magnet gains speed until resistances equal input voltage.  Higher voltage gives you more speed.  A simple pot controls voltage which gives you different speeds.  The frequency and the magnet follow the input voltage.

I think there might be more circuit explanation here?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4026-one-magnet-no-bearing-bedini-motor.html

Tish
Title: Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 21, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
@tishatang

yes i know what you say how is made  but i say anather  no need to increasing voltage  or control coil to base of transisitor  in to your  push pull  sheme  or athere
type of  oscilator
there is so SIMPLE SOLUTION TO HAVE MORE   SPINS  no frek. high no voltage increasing

the ATHER MAN HERE  <LIKE MANNIX  OR  S.M OR I THING HE KNOW HOW  IS POSIBLE>

IN TO THE  TPU HAS  SO FASTING SPINS OF FILD HO IS LOOK LIKE A COMPRESED INVISIBLE MAGNET FILD AND THAT INVISBLE LINES  IS PRODUCED AUROUND TPU  EFFECKT OF  GYROSCOPE  LIEK  YOU HOLD SOME MOTOR  BUT WHIT NO ROTOR
HERE IS BIG MYSTAKE  PUSHING OSCILATOR TO MAX  GIVE  PULSES  TO COIL TO PRODUCED ROTATIONS OR
I SAY
IS NO NEED  TO PUT MAX  INPUT TO OSCILATOR  ENERGY TO HAVE THEN WHIT HOTING THE TRANSISITOR

I HOPE I WHILL MAKE  IN  COMING DAYS  SOME VIDEO CLIP AND I HOPE I WHILL PROVET MY SELF  AND ATHER HOW IS POSIBLE  BUT IS INTERESTHING TO  DISCOVER ITS SELF HOW IS  SIMPLE IF HERE IS SO  CLEVER MAN  HE WHILL ANDERSTEND WHAT I SAY

@MANNIX   WHAT NOW  WHAT YOU THING  YOU ARE  HERE POLICE MAN AND KEEPR MAN OF THE  TPU
REMEBER WHAT S.M TOLD  I HAVE NOT SAY THIS  S.M ITSELF HAS SAY THIS <IS NOT IMPORTANT  HOW  IS STRONG MAGNET  HO WHILL MOVE IN TO THE COIL ONLY IS IMPORTANT  SPEED  LIKE A GUN BULYT

<I SEE HERE THUNDERS WHIT LIGHTINGS    IM VOONDERING HOW MUCH IS  AND WHAT IS THE SPEED OF THIS ELKTROMAGNET FILD  <,
I THING THE SPEED OF THAT I SABOUT 330000km in one second
and if this is able to make some setup or device  imagen the  very small elktromagnet fild to move in some coil  whit that  speed
;)