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Author Topic: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU  (Read 19791 times)

Offline otto

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2009, 06:48:38 AM »
Hello all,

@Mark

sorry to ask a dump question but who said that in a TPU is a ferrite core?

Of course, you can use metals as you want but then you have to know what to do with them. I mean, you cant pulse a ferrite TPU with the known frequencies of 245kHz, 35kHz....
Various metals needs various frequency mixes. A ferrite core has to be pulsed with a veeeeery high frequency mix. If not, you have a toaster and not a TPU!
If you think Im misleading you, just look how Tesla did it. He had to use a sparc gap. It has a special reason for that but I dont want to discuss it here.
A TPU doesnt work on 12V?

Dont mix the input voltage and the output voltage of a TPU.
The input voltage is from 9V - 12V
Its better to use 9V because then you can "hide" a 9V battery inside your TPU. If course its not a final solution but for me good enough. Its only a "starter battery" that will give a few kicks and then, when the TPU is started you can switch off the battery. As said, its not a final solution.

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2009, 06:48:38 AM »

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2009, 07:12:50 AM »
@otto

Well i guess you have looked at it to long , I am not confused at all !

I tell you there is one , why ?

Because you can see it !

I am not convinced there really is a battery in the tpu . So 9 or 12v is still pretty high.

Mark


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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2009, 07:45:40 AM »
Mark,

yes, I see what you mean. This what you showed us are the high voltage input transformers.

Dont mix this with a TPU core. This is NOT a TPU core.

Otto

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2009, 08:25:45 AM »
Philosophical musings

@Otto
"No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come."
           by Victor Hugo

It's time for a TPU

@All
Remember the story of the blind men trying to describe an elephant?  Each had a different part.  One had the tail and said it's long and thin and hairy.  Another had the trunk and said it's like a snake.  Another had the ear and said it is like a large pancake.  While another grabbed a leg and said it is something like a tree.  Finally, one got enough vision to proclaim, "Damn, it's an elephant.

Our elephant is the TPU.  Until one of us gets the vision, we are blind to the basic principles.  Once understood, all kinds of TPU's can be built.  Once electro magnetic principles were understood, all kinds of motors evolved.  You can see the evolution of the TPU of SM.  The first one weighed about a pound and a half and put out about 100 watts.  Later, a similar sized one, weighed 12 ounces and put out 300 watts.  Maybe the first used iron or ferrite, and the later ones were all windings with no cores?  If you know the principles, you can make it work either way.  Think the first ones as a Ford Model T, then a Model A, and we will make a sports car one day.

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2009, 09:21:30 AM »
Hello all,

@tishatang

the main problem is that everyone has a vision.

Here are my questions to give you maybe "visions":

1. do we really need a high voltage to pulse a TPU?
2. do we really need a core in a TPU?
3. If yes, whats the purpose of a core?
4. If not a core, why not?
5. Is there a negative resistance needed or not?
6. is there a need to "hide" the load from a TPU?

I could wright 100 questions.

I think youre joking with me - us:

A pound and a half heavy TPU puts out about 100W??

Come on. For a 100W output I dont need a core! Remember the ECD?

The bigger the weight and diameter, the bigger the output. I made some calculations and thats it. The only question is: where is the limit? Of course it doesnt depend only on this 2 factors. There is a lot more. Yes, this is very important.

Trust me there is no iron and no ferrite.

Otto



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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2009, 09:21:30 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »

the main problem is that everyone has a vision.


The main problem is that everyone is blind or just too stupid to try things.
A vision isn't going to help you any further.

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2009, 01:56:32 PM »
@Otto
I was reviewing the videos like you asked.   Go here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373&ei=9R06SqfNL5SMwgPAnZj-Aw&q=steven+mark&emb=1

The first unit is the 6 inch one and half pounder.  I seemed to have missed the brief mention it put out 5 amps.  But, all he showed was it lighting a 100 watt bulb,emphasizing 100 volts at one amp.  The next small 4 inch unit was a continuation of a 100 watt bulb demonstration.  In my old man's mind, it same power, smaller unit.

Later, he shows another 6 inch unit that weighed only 12 ounces and actually demonstrated that it put out more power than the first 6 inch unit.  Another evolution of power to weight ratio over time.  When we discover the secrets, we will improve over SM's versions.

I know English is not you native language.  In my last post about the blind men and the elephant, I was trying to make the point it is not worth arguing about details whether there were iron cores or not.  You are arguing that there are no iron or ferrite cores.  OK!  I agree with you.  I never claimed there were.  If one were to read an earlier post of yours, you said you were not using the correct cores.  Based on that, one would assume you were for cores?   Video one of the above link shows a unit being cut in half.  Obviously no iron or ferrite core. 

Also, go here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&hl=en

It offers the best clues of the technology.

I really don't want arguments over details that have been hashed over many times on the past TPU threads.  What I would like to see here is someone actually building the Bedini coil motor as the centerpiece of a TPU.  Report your results here and, hopefully, things will go easier?  My regret is now that I am fired up again, I am not in a position to do my own build.  So, I came up with an idea, and it is up to you all to decide if it is worth doing the experiments.   

Welcome aboard, Marco

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »
@otto

- 6TPU -

When he let the other guy hold it that guy said, "Buzzing, Vibration, Slight Noise", then SM took it back and said "Vibration, slight gyroscopic effect", as if to want to negate the other guys observation of the buzzing and slight noise. Hmmmmmm. Why would this  guy say that and why would SM then take the TPU and say just vibration. lol

Dim: OD 6" - High 2" - Core thickness 3/4".
Weight: 1.5 pounds
Measured output: 121.8 volts
Stated output: Range from 110 to 145 volts
Output Amps: Up to 5 amps at 100 volts or up to 500 watts. (not 100 watts).
Frequency: 5000 hz

Consider that at 5 amps output, the 6TPU would have to have many wires in parallel otherwise how do you get 5 amps. The voltage is secondary here since getting 100 volts is the easiest part. But try to get just 100 volts with 1 amp, very hard to do, then consider the 6TPU making 5 amps. Ouch.

Series makes voltage.
Parallel makes amps.
So what does Looping make?

Also, the output is continuous and always available meaning the gain in the device can maintain itself and not get killed by any over saturation of a core in the conventional sense.

Now if the output was held in a internal dioded or rectified output capacitor, how big would a 100volts 5 amp capacitor look like?

Now if there is no output capacitor bank, then the devices HAS to maintain a looping sequence that regenerates itself and that does not self-over-saturate.

Comparison. Find on the market an step up transformer that has 9-12vac primary and a 5 amp 100 vac secondary and see how big it is and how much it weighs. Hmmmm.

Funny thing. A reed switch will buzz, vibrate and make a slight noise and it won't last more then 20 minutes before it just sticks. Also, it needs a magnet to start the vibrating or switching. lol

Also, a reed switch will work without a magnet if it is near a coil and the coil can put out enough mag field around it. But if the coil is toroidal, it will hold the field inside and then you would need a magnet to bias the field around the reed switch.

Last point on reed switch is that it does not have to handle the full load to any coiling. Just to do the switching to a transistor is enough.

No, I am not saying run after reed switches because it could be done many ways.

Keep on going. This is good.

wattsup

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
@All
You know it has been 3 years since I last saw TPU videos.  Am I getting old and senile or are these videos a little different?  Go here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&hl=en

I don't remeber so much detail of the insides of the 17 inch TPU.  Maybe I did not look at all the videos available back then?  I suggested you download these videos by clicking on the download link.

Is this video different?

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2009, 04:10:41 PM »
@ wattsup

Good post. Now you may have seen Ossie Calahan's 'A Working Radiant Free Energy System". This was basically a simple reed switched power transistors, in turn switching low resistance iron cored coils arranged as four poles to drive a PM magnet rotor. This setup produces a considerable amount of radiant energy which Ossie used to charge batteries. There is nothing special about this in that there are many other variations of motors working on this principle but these are capable of fast charging and considerably increasing battery capacity where low resistance coils are used.

We know that parallel connected coil strands considerably lower DC resistance / impedance and I feel that we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility that SM used this to his advantage by 'super charging' a reasonably small hidden NICAD battery pack which was then used to run an efficient DC to DC boost or SEPIC converter to power the load. I have had no real problems building such a device within the scale of SM's small TPU to power a 60V mains lamp at a good brightness for the period time necessary to convince a demo audience. This approach produces the heat and more importantly suggests why SM had to fiddle with his starter magnet to get the TPU running. This is because there needs to be a magnetic bias applied to the reed switch in order for it to switch cleanly without burning out too quickly. This bias also helps to optimise the operating frequency. Unlike Ossie's motor, SM was not using a rotor and his generator need only have been a simple reed switch based oscillator(s) driving parallel connected multi-strand air cored coils or possibly iron bailing wire cored coils (to increase inductance) feeding tank caps which in turn powered a DC-DC converter.

Hoppy

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« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2009, 01:10:51 AM »
@All
You know it has been 3 years since I last saw TPU videos.  Am I getting old and senile or are these videos a little different?  Go here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&hl=en

I don't remeber so much detail of the insides of the 17 inch TPU.  Maybe I did not look at all the videos available back then?  I suggested you download these videos by clicking on the download link.

Is this video different?

Tishatang

If you search Jack Durban on this forum, at one time we got some better resolution copies of the old videos.

Too bad he never found the beta copy.

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2009, 05:11:40 AM »
The main problem is that everyone is blind or just too stupid to try things.
A vision isn't going to help you any further.

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2009, 06:24:23 AM »
Mark,

yes, I see what you mean. This what you showed us are the high voltage input transformers.

Dont mix this with a TPU core. This is NOT a TPU core.

Otto

This is your point of view , if Steven told me i will give you either the coils or the circuit , i swear i take the circuit and small toroid in a heart beat. You can get the coil or tpu like you say . But that is just me .

So i started there , you say you need high voltage pulses , i make that form almost nothing , plus ferrite is high freq , SM said one 5000hz and another time 6000 something. I can get that also , so ....

Mark




 

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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2009, 07:29:35 AM »
Hello all,

@Mark

so, you swear to take the circuit. OK, no problem.

Look at magnetism.fateback com, or here in the forum for the same circuit. I dont remember where its posted. THERE YOU HAVE THE CIRCUIT!!! In front of your all noses. Its on the web for years now. You have "only" to modify it a little bit. The number of turns and then to use 3 of them.

Satisfied??

Or look into the ECD pdf, I think there you can find the Sweet drawing. Is this device mady by Lloyd Sweet or is the author another man??

Or even look at some of my circuits.

But of course my circuits are not worth to mention. They have nothing to do with a TPU, ha,ha.

Yesterday I said about the 2 pictures that this are high voltage input transformers. As I was in a hurry I wrote it wrong! The picture of the 6" transformer IS a high voltage input transformer and that was correct but in the 15" TPU picture we see output coils. Sorry for that, my mistake.

@wattsup

you nailed it, ha,ha. How big is a oridinary 110V or 230V/12V/5A or in reverse, transformer?? Why is such a transformer so big?

I have at home a little 230V/12V transformer. The output current is only 129mA. And I have a 2 pound 230V/12V transformer able to give more at5A or so, its not important.
Why cant my little transformer deliver the same current as my big transformer??

Maybe the people here can spell it out? Im not so bright.

Otto




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Re: ELECTRO/MECHANICAL HYBRID TPU
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2009, 07:59:13 AM »
@Wattsup
Thanks for the reference of Jack Durban.  I am finding it hard to find what is really on his hi def DVD.  I found a post by  Jdo300, for files.  But, link is blocked by China firewall.  Also, everything slows to a crawl as everything coming in is funneled thru filters.  Right now I can not access GoogleVideo but in brief spurts.  What I do is download the video and watch it later.

I am concerned that many on the TPU forums have not seen this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&hl=en

It is not linked on Peswike that Otto recommended.  Peswike is only linking Videos 2,3,and 4.  This is video 1 and is about one hour long.  The first half is dedicated to the 17 TPU.  It is not running at full power and there is a lot of poking around and the audio is lost in the noise.  I assume this is the one cut apart? 

Can you please watch the first half of this video and verify it is same as on the Jack Durban video.  I want to make sure this video is known and not overlooked for the last 3 years.

If someone has video software who could redo this first 30 minutes and enhance the sound track with an equalizer, I am sure many would find it very enlightening.  Lots of clues are being said that I cannot hear.

Tishatang

 

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