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Offline zenmountain

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2009, 06:38:17 PM »
Thanks Mark-

 The very cheapest way to get silver is to buy Canadian Silver Maple Leaf coins. You can have them cut and rolled out into the appropriate shapes you require for your electrodes. These come certified at 99.99% pure silver. The coins cost just a little bit more than the spot market price of silver which makes these the best choice and most cost efficient. Example of a coin supplier(and there are lots of them)-

https://www.apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2009__Prior.aspx

Of course you can also get silver bars. Just be sure they are 99.99% pure silver and certified to be as such.

 The next best thing is to buy silver wire. Here you have to hunt around a bit to get the best prices and certified quality. I can post a couple of links here for silver wire suppliers. I recommend you get at least 14 gauge but 12 or 10 is better yet in the wire form.

http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm
or if you want to spend even more money you can go to-
http://www.sotainstruments.com/original/documents/products.html
or this guy here who is pretty funny as well as informative-
http://www.silverpuppy.com/page1b.html

and finally for some flat style electrodes you can try these guys over at-
http://www.silvergen.com/shop/

You can google pure silver suppliers and see what else you can find. I do trust the above suppliers however.

hope that helps,

PS. Sorry Mark as I don't know where to get the 99.999% grade stuff that a couple of the  other fellows here are talking about.



« Last Edit: June 21, 2009, 07:00:01 PM by zenmountain »

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2009, 07:12:13 PM »
What do you know. I found a supplier for 99.999% silver wire.

http://www.surepure.com/products.php?ID=4&subCat=54

quite expensive though. As is I would and do take my chances with the already pure enough 99.99 % stuff.

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Offline exxcomm0n

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2009, 07:44:27 PM »
.999 purity ingots can be found on ebay in the form of 1-10-100 troy ounce forms sold as investment opportunities (be sure you check the latest market closings before you bid. You'll always pay more for merchandise rather than commodity options which market price is based, but how much more depends on your due diligence).

Look for ingots minted from a reputable mint and you should be able to score high quality ingots both for CS production and investment in a hard currency.
In fact, IF pandemic outbreaks of swine flu (or any other maledy) arrive as scheduled this fall and more people start looking towards non-FDA approved treatments that work, the trading value of silver may go WAY up.

I'm looking for a "cheap" 1 troy ounce ingot I can split in 2 for my electrodes. Should be good enough for production for the rest of my days.

It's (CS) best advertisement is it's use. The more you're able to not catch the flu/cold/pandemic of the day, the more you're a walking billboard for CS effectiveness.

I have not yet tried the CS regimen to test it's claims, but have read enough on the 'net in the way of occidental evidence of its proported effectiveness that I'm willing to give it a try.
I have 3 warts that I've not yet treated to the point of dissappearance  with acetecylic acid, duct tape, or clear nail polish (all these work by oxygen stavation of the wart. you treat them, they go away, you stop treatment too early, they come back) that I will be using topical treatment on them with daily 1-2 tbsp CS ingestion as well to test effectiveness.

I'll post any results (positive or negative) of the trials to provide more evidence either way.

Thank all who have contributed to this post as you've helped me learn of the "best practices" (PPM, etc.) for CS production.

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Offline zenmountain

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2009, 08:48:16 PM »
@ exxcomm0n

 I personally couldn't recommend using the ebay .999 silver. I feel that for the tiny extra cost(if any at all) and availability I would go for the .9999 quality. Whereas the .99999 is quite a lot more expensive and less available(OK for you rich guys though)
 
 .999 silver is 99.90 %     or 3  9s silver
.9999 silver is 99.99 %    or 4 9s silver
.99999 silver is 99.999 % or 5 9s silver

Hope I got those right, lol !

99.99 silver maple leafs are practically the same price as a 99.90 silver bars so may as well grab the next higher grade here I would say. Besides its content, weight and purity are guaranteed by the Canadian Gov't.

Don't let these sometimes confusing details and debates by the veteran silver water makers discourage you any. It is well worth your while obtaining some quality colloidal silver water by whatever means. You won't have any regrets!

best regards,




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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2009, 09:43:20 PM »
@ zen

Though it's not easy to find definitive silver content grading criteria, I have found references to the grading system you show (.999 actually = 99.9%) and find I was confused about .999 referring to the finess of the remaing 1% percentage scale, rather than a decimal scale.

Thank you for pointing that out!

EDIT:
I checked out the ampex link you furnished that has better prices than the mint.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: June 22, 2009, 03:48:42 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Offline Mark69

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2009, 05:51:59 PM »
What do you think of just using the 99.99% Canadian coins as the electrodes themselves?  Would that work hooking them up to the aligator clips and having them sit in the water instead of trying to cut them down or something?  I realize that I would have to make sure that only the coins themselves are in the water, not the clips.  What does everyone think?????  I thought that we here in America also have some 99.99% pure silver coins. 

Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2009, 05:56:21 PM »
@ zen

Though it's not easy to find definitive silver content grading criteria, I have found references to the grading system you show (.999 actually = 99.9%) and find I was confused about .999 referring to the finess of the remaing 1% percentage scale, rather than a decimal scale.

Thank you for pointing that out!

EDIT:
I checked out the ampex link you furnished that has better prices than the mint.

Thanks!
When your talking about making a molecule suspension of Silver 1000th of a percent matters . It could contain LEAD TIN NICKLE CADMIUM Chromium  and usually does and all are Very harmful if ingested at the atomic level .they will bond with your atoms and never go away . DO NOT US ANYTHING LESS THAN 99.999 i use  99.9999 medical silver .
Also the Medical silver last forever . if you use them with low voltage dc (24-36VDC) I mentioned i have 4 9 volts in series . some where in my head that didnt add up to 24 volts . there is an led in series with it and the volts are between 28 - 24 . . PPM meters are less than 20 us .

gadget .

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Offline Mark69

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2009, 06:04:31 PM »
@ Gadget,  where to get the 99.9999% medical silver?

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2009, 08:30:20 PM »
@ Mark69

Oh my goodness! this debate about 1/thousands or even less of a percentage of pure silver is getting a bit much me thinks.
 I believe if you can afford it then get the best grade possible, why not? I thought that was 5  9s silver and now folks are talking about 6  9s silver which I never heard of.  :o

 I really believe 4  9s silver (99.99 %) is quite safe enough to use since so many millions of people have for years already. Also the 4  9s represent a very fair $ value and do not cost anymore than the 3  9s silver (99.90)  I can see no reason then to actually chose to use 99.90 silver.

 Believe me if you are supplying family and friends with silver water, the silver electrodes most definitely will eventually disappear  and so then certainly do require replacing from time to time. I have replaced several over the years while producing on average 10 ppm solutions.
 Ingesting an atom or two of chromium or what have you will not likely kill you since we suck in more noxious things all day long from smog, eating bad food and what not. Our bodies are able to handle small amounts of nasty stuff and can get rid of it. That's why they list daily tolerance levels of substances before something becomes toxic. Chromium for example is actually ingested on purpose as a mineral supplement and can be bought at any health food store. But OK, so let's not purposely ingest any lead. ;)

Go with the 99.99% as a minimum and you'll be fine and a higher grade if you can afford it.

Sure, some people do just dangle the actual coins in the water. You can also bash them into a desired  shape with a hammer. Yes, and please do keep out of the solution the nickel plated alligator clips!

best regards,

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2009, 08:35:49 PM »
Hi All

I think we're getting into the realm of conflict of information here, when I bought my CS generator it came with One Pair .9999 (99.99%) Pure Silver Wires 2 Silver Rods .9999 pure ~6" length and as I stated it's been in use for years without any noticeable wear on the rods....

If you want to get picky about the purity of the silver then it might also be crucial to use only extra pure water as there is also information out there that points to the purity of the water being an even greater factor of impurities....

Purity of Silver


    By Peter Lindemann
    http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csarticle12.shtml

    (This article was taken from Peter Lindeman's essay, Colloidal Silver: A Closer Look. )

    The quality of your finished product depends entirely on the purity of the water you start with and the purity of the silver you start with. Most of the current literature suggests that only 99.9999% pure silver can be used. Most home brew systems use 99.9% pure silver. So, what is the difference? To find out, I contacted Academy Metals, a company in Albuquerque, New Mexico, that produces commercial silver. The total allowable impurities in 99.9% (.999 fine) silver is 1000 ppm or 1 part in 1000. These impurities and their maximums are 1) Copper, 800 ppm, 2) Lead, 250 ppm, 3) Iron, 200 ppm, and 4) Bismuth, 10 ppm. This product is readily available in wire form and costs about $3.00 above the market (spot) price of silver. When this product is used to make electro-colloidal silver at a concentration of 5 ppm, the total impurities from the silver drop to 4 ppb (parts per billion) copper, 1.25 ppb lead, 1 ppb iron, .05 ppb bismuth.

    With all allowable impurities at these low levels, there is a reasonable argument for not being concerned. Still, sometimes small things make a big difference. 99.99% silver (.9999 fine) has total allowable impurities of 100 ppm of the same metals in the same ratios, and costs (in wire form) between $50-$90 above the spot price of silver. 99.999% silver (.99999 fine) has total allowable impurities of 10 ppm, and in wire form costs about $250 above the spot price. 99.9999% silver, in wire form, costs more than gold and is very difficult to find commercially.

    In one sample of 10 ppm colloidal silver we sent out for total analysis (made with 99.9% silver electrodes), the primary impurities found were: 1) Sodium, 470 ppb, 2) Calcium, 260 ppb, 3) Manganese, 70 ppb, 4) Potassium, 50 ppb, and 5) Magnesium, 24 ppb. Since none of these impurities could have come from the silver, it suggests that the purity of the water should be of greater concern to the person making their own colloidal silver, than spending extra money on purer silver.


In my case, I use the CS generator at the 1mA constant current and One Pair .9999 (99.99%) Pure Silver Wires and the purest distilled water I could find with no salts or additives and have been using it for several years without side effects.

If for some reason my case changes I'll be the first to let you all know but I think that because of all the conflicting information I'll stick with what I know and forget about being too picky or too scared to continue using it :)

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2009, 11:32:53 PM »
@ All

I found a couple more interesting recent articles on the Educate yourself site that might be of interest....

The Colloidal Silver versus Ionic Silver 'Controversy'
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/colloidalversusionicsilvercontroversy19may09.shtml

Why is Colloidal Silver Made with Your Generator More Yellow Than Store Bought CS?
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/cscolorfromhealthfoodstores17may09.shtml

The Deluxe Colloidal Silver Generator 
http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csgendesc.shtml

This is from another site regarding "Silver Wire Purity"
http://www.toolsforhealing.com/Products/SOTA/Articles/SilverWirePurity.html

Hopefully these don't confuse more than they educate but there it is :)

Regards,
Paul


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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2009, 03:54:54 AM »
@ Goat

Excellent links that seem to support everything zen has said.

In regards to your remarks about water purity vs. 0.0999... or 0.009999....etc. contamination I'd have to say I agree. I'd be much more interested in an assay of a distilled water product I use or buy.
My thought is to furnish my own distilled water from a dehumidifier or a/c cooling unit because of 3 factors:

1.) Cost (I'm paying for it already and the converted irritant [now useful by-product] usually goes down the drain)
2.) Convenience (It's made where you use it)
3.) Purity (It's hard to get purer than atmospheric humidity for absence of heavier element and pollutant content.)

For further purity (to kill biological or organics in the condensate or remove trace elements from the copper or aluminum heat exchanger the humidity condensed on, probably in PPB range) a secondary laboratory type higher temperature distillation using glass and rubber could be done.

PPM of contaminants in drinking water came to my attention when I brewed beer for a living and had to know what was in the water (in the USA you can get a county water assay for free once a year of a sample you provide).
Other further study taught me how (im)pure distilled water can be if its original contaminants have a boiling point less than or equal to water (like alcohol, benzene, etc.), so the distilled water end product all depends on the source water and how it was distilled.
 
While gadget does have a point about what can lurk in the content of that remaining 0.009999999_% , I'll worry about the water used more.

@ zen

Sorry about the silver grading nomenclature confusion. I should have realized it was the same type of rating as computer uptime. ;)
Thanks for the clarification and the bare minimum suggested generation electrode requirements (silver purity grade 99.9% or .999).

I'm thinking about using the Maple Leafs for electrode stock since 99.99% seems to be the best quality/price balance, and melting them to pour into long, flat, smooth rod ingots formed from plaster of paris so I can keep electrical delivery wires or alligator clips far from the water and make electrode cleaning easy, but working with a graphite crucible while doing that is going to be an interesting time.

I'm trying to get a few (local) folks together that are interested to combine funds and purchase a tube of 25 pcs. to bring down the cost for everyone.

Thanks for the info gents!
« Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 05:12:48 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2009, 09:20:33 AM »
For further purity (to kill biological or organics in the condensate or remove trace elements from the copper or aluminum heat exchanger the humidity condensed on, probably in PPB range) a secondary laboratory type higher temperature distillation using glass and rubber could be done.

Quite so - when using water extracted from evap-coil condensate, whatever is in the air is in the water.

The commercial dehydrators that are expressly made for generating drinking water all seem to have fairly elaborate filtering systems: microbiotic, activated charcoal, ultraviolet, etc. (often multiple filtration).

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/05/clean-water-appears-out-of-thin-air-with-ecoloblue.php
http://www.air2water.net/residential_products_countertop.html
http://www.americanairandwater.com/

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2009, 04:15:44 PM »
@ all,

 I am just trying to get all the facts as possible before buying the silver.  The part that gadget (or goat) said about the .01 % being bad stuff really made me think, as of course .001 is 10 times better then .01  Sorry if it sounds ridiculous, but we only get one body and I want to make sure I don't harm when I am trying to do good.

Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2009, 08:58:25 PM »
@ Goat

My thought is to furnish my own distilled water from a dehumidifier or a/c cooling unit because of 3 factors:


I would reconsider using your A/C,  heat and water is a breeding ground things like legionnaires disease, etc..

 

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