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Offline Mark69

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2009, 04:52:19 AM »
@ Ex and Amigo,

Thanks for the update, I think I will be going with them as well.  I take it the price listed is old then if you are quoting a higher price.

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2009, 05:06:15 AM »
Listen to this, take some 'Eye' Stem Cells and mix them with the proper Ph Salve so they don't die then rub the Salve onto your eyes, the Stem Cells will regenerate your eyes so that you can see again.

has this been done, no, not yet. but maybe soon, life is in the blood.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2009, 05:34:18 AM »
Hi all-

Just thought I'd throw in some more info here. I copied this list off of the net someplace. I agree with most of it. Something to think about when evaluating a colloidal silver water product.


EVALUATING COLLOIDAL SILVER PRODUCTS

The quality of a colloidal silver product can be determined by
following the items outlined on this page. All of these items are
important in choosing a high quality product. They include: the
manufacturing process, purity, size of the silver particles,
concentration (ppm, that is, parts per million), absence of chemical
additives/chemical stabilizers and food coloring, pH, stability (shelf
life) of the product, and efficacy. The product you purchase should
meet the following criteria:

1. Manufacturing Process: It should be manufactured by the
electro-colloidal process, meaning that ultra-fine particles of silver
are suspended in pure water by an electrical charge placed on the
silver. This process is done without the use of chemical solvents or
chemical stabilizers.

2. Purity: High quality colloidal silver consists of pure water and
99.999% pharmaceutical grade silver. Manufacturers are required to
conduct microbiology testing to guarantee that the product is free of
contamination.

3. Particle Size: To insure proper absorption and assimilation, the
particles of silver should be less than one (1) micron in diameter.

4. Concentration: For use on a regular basis the concentration should
be between 5 and 20 ppm of silver. Highly concentrated colloidal
silver products may be a health risk if taken internally on a regular
basis and should only be used under a medical doctor�s supervision.

5. Additives: Colloidal silver should not contain any silver proteins,
chemical stabilizers like E.D.T.A., P.V.P., carbopol resin, or any
other chemical additive.

6. Color: The rule of thumb in colloidal chemistry is the smaller the
silver particle size the lighter the color. Colloidal silver produced
by modern technology should be clear to light yellow in color. Avoid
products that are murky, brown, grey, black, or that contain yellow
food coloring. Golden yellow solutions are indicative of products
containing a larger particle size, silver protein, or stabilizers,
similar to the type of colloidal silver that was produced in the early
1900s.

7. PH: The pH should be neutral (alkaline). Low pH (acidic) products
can indicate the use of chemicals. It can also be an indication that
the silver particles are �falling out� of solution.

8. Shelf Life: A quality colloidal silver product should have a
guaranteed shelf life of more than one year. The solution should be
free of any sediment or particles of silver floating in the liquid or
settled on the bottom of the bottle. High quality colloidal silver can
be bottled in plastic or glass without any effect on the product.

9. Outdated Technology: Colloidal silver was commonly used in the
early 1900s prior to the advent of antibiotics. At that time
technology was not advanced enough to create colloidal silver without
the use of chemical or protein stabilizers. These stabilizers �block�
the charge on the silver particles and bind to the silver to help keep
it in suspension; however, it can cause the silver to be retained in
the body too long. With today�s advanced technology it is no longer
necessary to manufacture colloidal silver using chemical or protein
additives.

10. Concentrates: Concentrates of colloidal silver should not be
diluted. Colloidal silver should be used in the same concentration in
which it is formulated. When colloidal silver is manufactured
correctly, the electrical charge is passed through the water and
silver simultaneously. When colloidal silver concentrate is diluted by
water the disruption in the electrical charge can significantly
decrease the efficacy of the product.

11. Tyndall Effect: The Tyndall test is outdated. It was used decades
ago by chemists to determine if a colloidal silver product contained
any silver suspended in the solution. This method can still be used,
but it only works for products containing large silver particles. In
order to get a Tyndall effect the particles must be large enough to
refract light. The new ultra-fine colloidal silver products that
contain silver particles less than one micron in diameter will exhibit
very little, if any, Tyndall effect, therefore rendering this type of
test obsolete.

12. Distributors of colloidal silver should be issued a
certificate of analysis from the company from which they buy colloidal
silver. This analysis should specify purity, microbiology testing,
silver particle size, concentration (ppm), and use of chemical
stabilizers, pH, and color.

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2009, 07:13:53 PM »
Hi all,

Got my silver wire (1 oz. 10 gauge .9999 from atlas nova) and it was still a bit pricey, but did come with an assay sheet for 99.997% purity (although the assaying lab is not listed).
I picked up a 3.5-12V 600mA AC/DC variable transformer at Wally World (Wal***t) and made some CS using 9V with a couple of 2 minute bursts to 12V over a 45min. time period. and using a cheap LED laser pen verified the Tydall effect for suspended particles after 30 min. for a guess-timation of 3-10 PPM (clear, no yellow) and am applying it to a wart to see if topical application will remove it.
(NOT a controlled testing method! Just an fairly safe way to test effectiveness personally.)

The next step is to brew up some agar using malt extract and gelatin and fruit it with some common molds and bacteria to see if reports of it's effectiveness are true.

Sorry about the delay, but all tests in good time.
I figure it'll take about a week to get petri's together, brew/sterilize the agar, and inoculate the agar with "pure" strains of various bacteria.
Since I have a way to get some MRSA bacteria from current infected parties, I think I'll use that as the true test of effectiveness.

MRSA definition here:

http://www.prepareformrsa.com/index.php/mrsa/the-cause-of-the-mrsa-virus/

Excerpt from page:

"MRSA is a virus that has come from the staph infection virus known as “Staph Aurous” and can be a deadly disease for elderly people and people that are at a very young age. The reason that the MRSA virus has come out and caused much havoc across the world is because it is a mutating virus that can cause a flesh eating bacteria to appear on the body. MRSA has mutated to a strong virus that is wasn’t before, before if you were to come into contact with the MRSA virus you would not have to worry about it, simply take penicillin and you would get better. That was in the older days though, now MRSA is a virus that has been able to step over many of the antibiotics that were once served to help the losing of this virus."

I will make batches using varying generation times and use an eye dropper to apply a drop of each batch to fruited agar to test various CS PPM concentrations and gauge it's properties, and maybe even make up a page so the results can be viewed with a spreadsheet of concentrations used.

Stay tuned, test results will follow.

Here's to hoping it's not all bunk! ;)

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2009, 08:54:26 PM »
exxcomm0n,

If you can get access to a TEM (Transmission Electron Microscope) that would be an ideal platform to actually detect the presence of Silver particles and determine their average size. Tyndall effect test is only good to ensure your particles are small enough (lack of or faint Tyndall effect) coupled with perhaps conductivity test (computed ppm).

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Offline Mark69

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2009, 11:34:00 PM »
@ Exx,

Waiting on your results.  I will be ordering my silver wire this week.  Did you get from Ebay ($25 plus shipping from Atlas) or did you call them directly?  I am wondering if the price is better if I call direct.

Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2009, 05:47:13 AM »
@ amigo

Sorry man, I have no access to "golly gee whiz" tools like a T.E.M. and will probably have to do with approximation tools the like conductivity test (and believe me, I'd L_O_V_E to have "golly gee whiz" tools).

I mean it looks as if to be the perfect tool, but has some significant requirements e.g.

6) Transmission electron microscope

    * Magnification: A series of electrostatic and electromagnetic lenses act on an electron beam to produce up to 50 million times magnification
    * Depth of field: Very small.
    * Uses: Microbiology, pathology, crystallography
    * Advantages: Very high resolution.
    * Disadvantages: Requires extensive specimen preparation, including staining and sectioning with an ultramicrotome. Cannot observe the surface of objects.Very specialized equipment that requires a partial vacuum.

While these all might not be necessary for liquid specimen viewing, it's still a bit far out of my grasp of facility access at the moment.

I _MIGHT_ spring for a lab analysis (I think the going rate starts @ around $75 per sample and goes up from there) after trying a few runs using different time spans and voltages to see what my personal experiences will be and if any particular one seems to have anomalous properties not in the others.

I'll do a little wresearch (web research) to see if there are other viable alternatives to investigate particle size.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

@ Mark69

For the 1 troy ounce .9999 10 gauge wire it's $38+$3 ship (41) on eBay and $34+$4 ship ($38) at the site, so I bought from the site.
I don't know about other sizes/prices, but a quick search on the site and at eBay can answer if it's the same for them.
The one drawback the site has vs. eBay is that it is not PayPal enabled so it has to be credit card there.

My tests may be sporadic so I wouldn't wait around for me. You can test it yourself with some moldy bread.
In fact, that's probably what I'll start off with before I go to petris and pure strains as isolating bacteria can be a bit challenging and I want to know which CS batches are at least effective on the moldy bread.

There's lots of conflicting info out there on the good/bad of CS (yellow color, particle size effectiveness, optimal electrolysis method, ionic/colloidal, etc.) that I have to filter through again to see which ones make the most sense (I'm leaning towards the Brigham Young and Texas U studies since they would have the more precise testing methods).

I can see how this has good historical anecdotal testimony and see how/why it could be effective, but I still want to do a few tests of my own before exploring the benefits of internal use.

I'm attaching a published pdf I found on one of the CS sites (csfacts.com I think) of an ACTUAL BYU study using a base 32PPM solution and diluting it to varying strengths for a wide range of antibiotic resistant bacterial strains with and without antibiotics (I think...I'm still reading it).
« Last Edit: August 04, 2009, 10:47:45 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Offline amigo

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2009, 12:17:53 AM »
exxcomm0n,

I did not mean you buy a TEM... I meant gain access to one ;)

Some universities do have TEMs and rent access to them on a hourly basis, as well as provide staff and expertise in using the equipment. I know a local univ. here does have a such facility I just never got around to making specimens and dedicating a few hundred dollars for the tests - there's always something better to do with that kind of money, you know. :D

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2009, 06:42:21 AM »

Get yourself a SilverPuppy #2 with magnetic stir base....lab tested over 85% ionic output (.129nm)

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Peace,

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2009, 06:19:58 PM »
I personally wish that more research efforts be directed to the role of selenium on argyria:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070220152747/www.silverprotects.com/argyria.html

I do not have enough resources to run a medical trial, but I have done some tests on myself. Up until last month, I had consumed quite a lot of colloidal silver.  My forehead began to change color. This color change might be caused mainly by excessive exposure to sun,  but I wouldn't rule out any possiblity that I might have picked up some negative side-effects of colloidal silver. Since then, I also consumed a few brazil nuts every day in a hope that the selenium in brazil would reverse the situation. To my surprise, I did experience a very noticeable change in my digestive system, and the color of my forehead became normal again in less than a week.

I don't know how to explain this experience in english. I wish that more trials could be run to confirm the findings of Dr. DM Portland.


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Offline Mark69

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2009, 03:22:46 PM »
@Blueplanet

What color did forehead turn?  If it was blue, I cant see how the sun would cause that and would have to lean towards the colloidal silver.  How much of it have you been consuming?  How strong is it too?

@Exx,

Thanks for the info.  If I understand the BYU study correctly, the silver water was effective against every one of the bacterias tested.  These things are hard to read.

Mark
« Last Edit: August 06, 2009, 03:46:19 PM by Mark69 »

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2009, 04:36:21 PM »
@Blueplanet

What color did forehead turn?  If it was blue, I cant see how the sun would cause that and would have to lean towards the colloidal silver.  How much of it have you been consuming?  How strong is it too?


Before I ate brazil nuts, the color of my forehead was very black.

I could not remember exactly how much and how strong the CS which I consumed. All I can say is A LOT. I don't think the amount and the potency are the real cause of the problems in this case.

I have to rely on CS, because I need to survive on well water and CS is unfortunately the only thing that can make the well water drinkable. The CS was made from distilled water, but the well water is just well water. You may assume that some silver salts might have been formed in the mixture of CS and the well water.

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« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2009, 07:10:31 PM »
@Blueplanet

Can't you boil your well water or set up a simple still to purify it at least for drinking?  I think if you ingested too much silver, it would make your skin blueish and that would be all over, not just your forehead, though I am no expert.

Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2009, 10:01:40 AM »
I have done all this. I even use UV-C light to disinfect the well water.

As I said many times before, the problem does not lie in the CS concentration alone. The problem lies in the lack of selenium and vitamin E.

@Blueplanet

Can't you boil your well water or set up a simple still to purify it at least for drinking?  I think if you ingested too much silver, it would make your skin blueish and that would be all over, not just your forehead, though I am no expert.

Mark

 

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