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Offline exxcomm0n

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2009, 03:11:43 AM »
@ rMud

I'm going to be doing the high temp distill (212F/100C+) of the condensate for organics and biologicals since they can form in condensate collected at room temp and exposed to air.
(Although, the thought of oxygenating the condensate w/ ozone during collection w/ an aquarium bubbler to decrease the chances of that is something that came to mind today. Ozone removal SHOULD happen during high temp distill as it's a well known effect that distilling removes a lot of oxygen from the water. This is something I still have to look into completely so this has no basis in fact.)

The 1st batch of CS will be for topical application and testing. Some moldy food, an inoculation hood, and time will tell if CS is as effective as reported on bacterium.

If so, the worry of organic contamination is greatly decreased as that's the entire reason we're talking about using/making CS.
It kills organic contaminants/diseases.

In that way CS is a lot like radiation treatment for cancer in that it kills EVERYTHING organic (of viral and bacterium sizes) that is treated with it.
But not all the bacteria inside you is bad.

Some of the sites talking about internal CS usage say that it kills ALL flora in the digestive tract and that CS use should be accompanied w/ a daily regimen of yogurt or dietary supplements to repopulate the "good" bacteria in the digestive tract. "Good" bacteria assist w/ things like complete processing of vegetative food types in digestion.

Maybe CS use should be a "right before bedtime" habit combined with a yogurt breakfast the next day?

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2009, 04:39:14 AM »
@ rMud

Maybe CS use should be a "right before bedtime" habit combined with a yogurt breakfast the next day?

I think your going a bit overboard here, testing it would be cool.  I have taken in weekly for years and maybe eaten 1 thing of yogart in 15 years.  It is by far not a instant thing, if you feel your getting sick you take it, and you will be over your cold much faster.. but it's not going to instantly or even 1-2 days clear it up.  It's a passive element, not nanites seeking single cell organisms and destroying them.

if your worried about good bacteria dying, take it anally, you colon will absorb it 20-40x faster?  (I only heard that drinking beer anally is absorbed quicker from the show Manswers)


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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2009, 05:37:19 AM »


Don't be too concerned about killing off the good bacteria inside of our body systems.
Colloidal Silver just kills the nasty guys, the anaerobic bacteria while it doesn't effect the good guys which are aerobic.  :)

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2009, 06:52:53 AM »
@ all,

 I am just trying to get all the facts as possible before buying the silver.  The part that gadget (or goat) said about the .01 % being bad stuff really made me think, as of course .001 is 10 times better then .01  Sorry if it sounds ridiculous, but we only get one body and I want to make sure I don't harm when I am trying to do good.

Mark

Hi Mark69 & All

zenmountain posted a supplier link to 99.999% Pure Silver Wire back at post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7610.msg187256#msg187256

Please read or reread  the links I posted earlier about the quality of silver wire and water purity in making CS and also the warning about getting an assay of the quality of the silver you're purchasing.  I based my purchase decision on a supplier that requires this assay from it's supplier in order to maintain quality.

But please take your time and don't rush if you don't feel comfortable about it, it's quite normal, 20 years ago when I first seen colloidal silver (CS) I was weary.  Back then I didn't have enough information about it and I wasn't on the internet.

Now we have the internet to share information but some of it might be good and some maybe misleading or outright confusing/false/baseless etc., so you have to balance the good and bad information versus the authors of the material you're reading and their credentials and research along with prior findings by scientists, some going back to earlier dates like early 1900's!  But most of all the public reporting on it's effects whether good or bad.

The way I look at things is that you can't always trust what people tell you, I know it's kind of negative thinking but what I'm trying to say is that you always go through stages of reason after hearing something before making a decision, doing research on your own before agreeing or disagreeing with something you heard of and that is your prerogative and quite admirable, at least your asking questions in order to educate yourself, congratulations! 

In the end, if you want 99.999% silver wire then go ahead and order it from a supplier who has it but if it doesn't come with an assay then you would have to get a sample of the silver wire tested at a laboratory to determine it's contents.

If you or anyone comes up with a connection to a 99.999% silver wire supplier and a guarantied assay of quality I would be willing to upgrade my silver rods but I'm not really concerned with the ones I have now.

Sorry for the rant and hope this answers your question about 99.999% silver wire :)

Regards,
Paul



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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2009, 07:16:53 AM »
In addition to my post earlier at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7610.msg187447#msg187447 I found the original article by Peter A. Lindemann at http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

I found the section on "The Yellow Color" interesting and will have to get a proper flashlight to see if my CS batches are yellow under the right light even though they appear clear in normal light....Hmmmm ???

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2009, 07:26:57 AM »
@ All

The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.

What do you all think about this idea?

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2009, 11:57:48 AM »
The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.
What do you all think about this idea?
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Great idea!
I think it would be even better if those interested in making CS as a health supplement post their experiences and production methodologies to the thread and establish a non-biased source of info for others curious about CS to study. Maybe name it "CS experimentation, replication, and results"?

Since this is such a relatively inexpensive process (aerated silver electrolysis) those who are doing it anyway could set up a battery of tests using the same distilled water type/brand and electrical delivery voltage/amperage in a production run. Then use the same testing tools to independently verify characteristics and concentrations made.

This could separate a lot of fact from fiction in the information available on the web.

One of the 1st tests I thought of doing myself was to brew up some agar to fill petri dishes (you can make them by using a pretty cheap glass craft making tool to cut the bottoms off soda/beer/wine bottles. Reusable and easily capped with a clear plastic cling wrap), use a bit of saliva (reportedly 300-600+ bacteria types) to start the cultures so they all have the same range of bacteria, and after they are fully cultured spray them with CS samples drawn off every hour from a production run to get a crude idea of the effectiveness of different concentrations.

I think your going a bit overboard here, testing it would be cool.  I have taken in weekly for years and maybe eaten 1 thing of yogart in 15 years.  It is by far not a instant thing, if you feel your getting sick you take it, and you will be over your cold much faster.. but it's not going to instantly or even 1-2 days clear it up.  It's a passive element, not nanites seeking single cell organisms and destroying them.

I think it would be better to use the lowest effective daily dosage to keep a constant systemic amount in your body.
I would prefer to skip the "feel you're getting sick" part of your advice above, if possible.

if your worried about good bacteria dying, take it anally, you colon will absorb it 20-40x faster?  (I only heard that drinking beer anally is absorbed quicker from the show Manswers)

Yup, that's a fact medical professionals are still trying to use to get patients to take anal suppositories.
I think I'll try pure good/bad bacteria cultures control testing to find out if it's an issue before I accept delivery via the "Hershey highway" as a viable method.
In fact, I'll stick with the yogurt! I like it anyway. ;)

Don't be too concerned about killing off the good bacteria inside of our body systems.
Colloidal Silver just kills the nasty guys, the anaerobic bacteria while it doesn't effect the good guys which are aerobic.  :)

I'd like to (dis)prove this for myself since the North Texas University/Brigham Young studies on Staph bacteria don't address it. I think I'd like to try the culture idea above to test the idea if I can find an easy way to get a pure sample of an anaerobic and an aerobic culture and treat them with the different dosages of CS to compare effects.

Good ideas/questions/observations though gents!

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2009, 03:05:29 PM »
anaerobic versus aerobic bacteria and silver use

Here is a basic little blurb from somewhere on the net about this issue-

Certain bacteria are essential to healthy body function, such as acidophilus. Several researchers claim colloidal silver only attacks the unfriendly pathogens and will not harm the friendly. But one must wonder then how it can possibly differentiate. One explanation is that the friendly bacteria are aerobic, while unfriendly bacteria are anaerobic. Also, it is said that the silver does not attack bacteria directly, but rather decomposes certain enzymes the anaerobic bacteria, viruses, yeast, and molds require. The silver acts as a catalyst and is not consumed in the process. It is probable that the reason the bacteria cannot develop a resistance to silver, as they do to antibiotics, is because silver does not attack and kill them directly, but rather destroys the enzymes they depend on.

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2009, 06:53:49 AM »

Hi all-

Here's an important quote referring to colloidal silver.

"To date, there are no potentially pathogenic bacteria tested
that this colloidal silver product has not killed":   
Dr R Leavitt, Professor of Molecular Biology & Microbiology,
Brigham Young University.




Here is a small youtube video about how it is that silver water kills harmful bacteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm3b8Mb4x_w&feature=PlayList&p=8FCC48812CCF03C3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

and onother demonstrating how it kills viruses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb1V2m_XJg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advancedsilversolution.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

regards,

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2009, 01:57:49 PM »
Hi all-

Just for clarification here, my minimum grade for silver is 99.99 % I wouldn't bother at all with anything less on account of the price, quality and availability.

Now on another matter, there is considerable misunderstandings about whether a colloidal silver water should be clear or yellow in color or possibly even some other colors. I'd like to say here that yellow colored batches have been used for years by many thousands of people who have by and large benefited from such use. However there are some that think yellow colored CS is absolutely essential when in reality this couldn't be further from the truth.
 Yellow color means that there are particles in the solution big enough to reflect light. In making CS solution we are striving to make the smallest particles possible between .001 and .005 microns and even less. It's a well established fact nowadays that there are silver waters on the market that are extremely high in ppm and still remains absolutely clear and their effectiveness as a medicine is not in question.
 There is a lot of info available on the internet these days about this subject. Here is a small bit from the folks over at silvergen.


“If the colloidal silver is properly made it will be crystal clear.  This is because the particles are too small to reflect any light.  If it shows any color, the particles are too large.  The first color seen is yellow.  As the particle size increases other colors such as red, green, blue, brown or black may be seen.  Any color seen will indicate CS that is not very good.


 If the particles are as small as can be made and also colloidal, the water will be clear and will also show the Tyndall effect.  If they are larger, the water color will shift toward yellow because of agglomeration.  Still larger particles appear red; then green and the blue ones are the largest.   The proper color for colloidal silver water is clear.  If it is clear and has a weak Tyndall effect, the particle size is as small as can be made.  

 The bottom line is this: Make sure your CS is clear, not yellow colored  and you will be getting the largest amount of individual silver particles per unit measure of water.  As an example, 1 milligram of silver dropped into 1 liter of water is equal to 1 part per million by definition.  If you could turn that 1 milligram into 1 million individual silver particles and disperse it in the water, the PPM is still 1.   However you now have many more individual pieces of silver in the water to attack bacteria and viruses.  If you could divide that 1 milligram of silver into so many pieces they barely reflected any light, then you would have the optimum amount of silver per unit measure of water.  Typically those particles are about .001 to .005 microns in diameter.  A micron is one millionth of a meter (or 26 millionths of an inch) so .001 microns is about 1/1000 of 1/1,000,000 of a meter.  Pretty small particles indeed.   If particle size increases beyond .001-.005 microns , the particles will begin to reflect light and the first color seen will be yellow.  That is called agglomeration.”




 

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2009, 10:10:16 PM »
@ Goat and Zen,

Thanks for the latest info, my questions have been answered.  Exxcomm, would like to hear about your expiriments too.  I will be trying this in the  future, as soon as I get the silver wire. 

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2009, 01:16:41 PM »
Hi all-

 So just what kinds of ailments can colloidal silver water help one with anyways? Great question and this below is an old list from way back. Just wanted to demonstrate how long this wonderful material silver has been recognized and used by lay people and medical professionals alike to help combat various illnesses.


The following is a list of ailments and medical conditions for which silver colloids
were applicable prior to 1938. It is drawn from the work of Dr. Peter L. Reynolds, Ph.D.,
sub-titled "the safe silver". Certified Nutritionist Zane Baranowski published a similar list in
"The Natural Antibiotic Alternative."


Acne

Adenovirus

Asper Gillus Niger

Athletes Foot/Jock Itch

Anthrax Bacilli…

Appendicitis

Axillae and Blind Boils of the Neck

Bacillus Typhus's -Typhoid Fever

B. Coli

B. Coli Communis

B. Dysenteria

B. Pyocaneus

B. Tuberculosis

Bacillary Dysentery

Biological weapons

Bladder Irritation

Blepharitis

Boils

Bovine Rota Virus

Bromidrosis in Axillae

Bromidrosis in Feet

Bronchitis

Burns and Wounds of the Cornea

Bladder Infection

Candida Albicans-Yeast infection

Chronic Cystitis

Chronic Eczema of Anterior Nares

Chronic Eczema of Metus of Ear

Colitis

Conjunctivitis-Pink Eye

Corneal; Infection, Ulcers

Cystitis

Dacryocystitis

Dandruff

Dental; Abscess/Infection, Caries -Cavities

Dermatitis suggestive of Toxaemia

Diarrhoea

Diphtheria

Dysentery- Diarrhea

Ear Affections

E. Coli- Food Poisoning

Endamoeba Histolytica-Cysts

Enlarged Prostate -BPH, Prostatitis

Epididymitis

Erysipelas

Escherichia Coli

Eustachian Tubes (potency restored)

Fever

Follicular Tonsillitis

Furunculosis

Gonococcus

Gonorrhe

Gonorrhoeal Conjunctivitis

Gonorrhoeal Opthalimia

Gonorrhoeal Prostatic Gleet

Haemorrhoids

Hepatitis -B, C

Herpetic Whitlow- Herpes Simplex 1, cold sores

Hypopyon Ulcer

Impetigo

Infantile Disease

Infected Ulcers of the Cornea

Inflammatory Rheumatism

Infection

Influenze- Flu -including Man-made

Interstitial Keratitis

Intestinal troubles

Kaposies' Sarcoma

Legionella Pneumophila

Lesion Healing

Leucorrhoea-Vaginal Yeast

Menier's Symptoms

Meningitis

Nasopharyngeal Catarrh (reduced)

Oedematous enlargement of Turbinates without True Hyperplasia

Offensive Discharge of Chronic Suppuration in Otitis Media

Ophthalmic practices

Osteomalacia

Paramecium

ParaTyphoid

Perineal Eczema

Phlegmons

Phlyctenular Conjunctivitis

Pneumococci

Pneumonia/Pneumocystis

Polio virus 1- (Sabine Strain)

Pruritis Ani

Pseudomonas Aeruginosa

Puerperal Septicaemia

Purulent Opthalmia of Infants

Pustular Eczema of Scalp

Pyorrhoea Alveolaris- Riggs Disease

Quinsies

Rhinitis

Ringworm of the body

Salmonella-Food Poisoning

Scarlatina

Sepsis -Blood Poisoning

Septic Tonsilitis

Septic Ulcers of the Legs

Septicaemia

Shingles

Sinusitis

Soft Sores

Spore-Forming Bacteria

Spring Catarrh

Sprue

Staphyloclysin (inhibits)

Staphylococcus Aurous

Methicyllin Resistant Staphylococcus Aurous- MRSA

Staphylococcus Pyogenea

Staphylococcus Pyogens Albus

Staphylococcus Pyogens Aureus

Streptococci

Streptococcus Faecalith

Subdues Inflammation

Suppurative Appendicitis (post-op)

Strep-Virus

Tinea Versicolor

Tonsillitis

Tuberculosis

Typhoid

Typhoid Bacillus

Ulterative Urticaria

Urticaria suggestive of Toxaemia

Vaginal Discharge-Abnormal

Valsava's Inflammation

Vegetative B. Cereus Cells

Vincent's Angina

Vorticellae

Warts

Whooping Cough

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2009, 03:22:21 PM »
Hello guys,

Just seeing on anyone's progress.  Exxcomm, did you make your silver electrodes yet?  I was looking at the site, AtlasNova, which sells the silver rods.  About $25 shipped for 10 gauge 2 wires that are 6" in length each.  They have a purity rating of 99.997% and they give there certificate of analysis which you can see here:   http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire610.htm

I would like some feedback from you guys on these rods and if you would use them.

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Colloidal Silver Water
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2009, 07:47:02 PM »
@ Mark69

Sorry. Times and budget are a bit tight these days, but I'll be getting some AtlasNova 10 gauge 1 oz. wire ($38 on ebay w/ $3 shipping) next week to save time and effort forging my own wire or flat electrodes.

The assay report and easily cleanable form has me sold on the extra expense (almost double present market value...umm...make that triple??).
Well, I'll have to see if his ebay auctions and website reflect this (site price $34 now).

Stay tuned for results, but don't expect them for a couple of weeks yet as this trial will take some time.

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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2009, 12:10:47 AM »
Hello guys,

Just seeing on anyone's progress.  Exxcomm, did you make your silver electrodes yet?  I was looking at the site, AtlasNova, which sells the silver rods.  About $25 shipped for 10 gauge 2 wires that are 6" in length each.  They have a purity rating of 99.997% and they give there certificate of analysis which you can see here:   http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire610.htm

I would like some feedback from you guys on these rods and if you would use them.

Thanks,
Mark

I bought electrodes from AtlasNova in the past, and recently, and I use them all the time for making my own CS. They are pretty good and the 10 AWG is probably the best size to get giving a larger surface than the 12 or 14 AWG that others sell. Besides, 10 AWG will probably last you a long time in normal daily use.

 

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