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otto

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 06:46:22 PM »
Hello all,

@Paul-R

no, there was no need to do this.

Tesla made something like a TPU!!

Look at his patents: you see toroids, He used pulsed toroids, I suppose they were stacked.
Maybe made a little bit different then SMs toroids but the functioning is the same.

He showed us how to rotate the particles ....

Otto

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 06:48:20 PM »

then why not just capture it from local radio broadcast stations allong the way there were enough high power stations in the country by 1939.
martin

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 07:35:12 PM »
Hello all,

@nueview

because its impossible.

Imagine: you have 3 frequencies working in a TPU that is in your car. Youre driving from town to town. The 1. radio station has in the other town a lower power than in "your" town. You would have to change the frequency mix......

Heeey, its better you have a fixed frequency mix then catch local radio stations. Can we hear a radio in a desert? I dont know.

Not to mention power lines. In some countries you have only a few power lines. And then what?

Dont complicate. Its easy. Its just a frequency mix that works on every point of our planet.

Otto

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2009, 08:09:45 PM »

OTTO
i do not think that distance is the problem for these waves as the timing seems more inportant for there reception than distance neuralphone technology seems to prove this point out quite well.

i once built a 555 timer to charge a tank circuit with a pulse and then let it have a long drop time so the tank circuit could ring out for some time it was near a radio on my work bench and it was tuned for 750 khz as the circuit it did not adjust to a repeat of cycles like a hetrodyne reciever it just rang at intervals and the radio would pick up different radio stations from around the world with consecutive pulses distance did not seem to be a problem with the reception timing did.
i got the idea from a paper tesla wrote on world power transmission he said that if he were to resonate the globe with one frequency electric sparks of immence power would occur randomly so he must have found a way to suppress this effect by random waves at the same frequency and yet still find just one or a part of each to recieve power so that was my thought in building the unit and it seemed to work for being sellective.
Martin

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 06:16:30 AM »
Hello all,

@nueview

what youre wrighting is OK but I dont want to build a big tower as Tesla did it  and then to supply the planet with energy, to say so.

For me its enough to build a TPU and then to feed this energy into a car.

Just imagine this: we (some countries, or just 1 country) has done it with a big tower. All the cars, our homes ....are supplied from 1 place, the big tower. In 1 moment something happens and the tower cant deliver anymore the signals. Got it? Not to mention that we have to pay for this energy because you have again some fuckers that can control your energy consumption!

With a lot of little units no tragedy can happen because then only your car or home is without energy but your neighbour has a working car and can help you.....and of course, you dont have to pay for this energy. You would only need to buy such a device for a few bucks.

Otto

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 06:54:18 AM »
First off Tesla's car could of quite easily been done by him with a single battery with the output modified, this would of eaten the batteries alive causing them to need replacing at short intervals. The other is his antena was a "tesla coil" reciever. i don't think back then there would of been many devices operational that would of accidentally tuned into his power frequency. Simply set one (or multiple) coils up around town to deliver the power from the mains to his one reciever.

Otto, the tower itself didn't produce power it simply relayed it from a power source. The idea was to have all the natural forms of producing relitive free power supply the whole globe with power. Your thoughts on a disaster wiping out a tower and the area not having any and conglomerates charging us for power are always going to be there. You simply can't "extract" blood from a stone... or in this case usable electricity from nothing. And if you could you would still have to pay a cost (proberly have to "Rent" the equipment from a supplier) to use it. I think your speculation of oscilations and resonance may be misplaced, as oscilations couldn't create power on their own and resonance is a destructive force simply combining them with stickytape isn't making power. You want to "extract" your aether... you can't!!! it would be like trying to pick up water with a bucket made out of chicken wire... From what i have read utilizing aether is about redirecting its flow not extracting and storing.

But thats off topic. The most likely and easiest to replicate would be the Tesla tower and portable reciever (tesla coil and reciever)... you never know though he may of perfected his ground transmission of power and was simply his way of testing it!!!

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 07:15:17 AM »
@otto
i did not say to build many or even one big tower i said use what already exists the system is already made and it would not go away because of emergency broadcast system jus be retuned.
i am sorry that the world has gone to all digital as i redid my circuit today and the voices are all gone just digital noise remains the point is power doesn't have to come from any one place it could be from anywere.
alexander frolov would have a field day with this as he is already into gathering currents from the air and doing work with it.
the point is that reactive power can do work but not the way we have been giong about it the rotoverter people at panacea have gotten to some self running machines and it is a key component there is more in a motor than you think but when you travel the same road as everyone else you find yourself in with the crowd i would rather look more seriously at how to call in this current from the air i know you need to be well over 450 volts as that is the point were air with all it's parts begins to conduct radio stations emit tons of energy as reactive power but no one except tesla ever recieved more than a pittance back so it is there and how did he light 20 flourescent tubes at 20 miles it is beyond the magnetic field distance even he said it would take more energy than could be gathered to make a magnetic field that big yet nature seems to accomplish it just fine currents don't like to move they need to be started and then the voltage wave will continue to carry it through but when the wave begins to collapse you get more than you need so it burns up your work. just catching a small bit is ok so maybe it needs to be done by a chunk at a time like a lightning strikealso free and every second at least 40 around the world.
perhaps that is the answer that we are imbeded in a vast magnetic field having a shared rotational spin and alignment so it would be difficult to start it moving.
the point here is reactive power is real power and should be seriously investigated much like the joule thief it does and can do real work we need to get out of the current system we are in and we keep finding nothing after much research because we but it back in the box it was never going to fit inthe first place so we are self defeating with our research.
Martin

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 07:35:56 PM »
@crazy
i want to ask if you have ever made a rotoverter or done hamm radio or even just tried to run an induction motor on resonance.
i ask this not because of arogance but because there is something to be learned from doing these things.
30 years ago a genset was at best 70% efficient and cogging was a fact of life now we know this is not true because somebody needed it for computer drives and efficiency has risen to the 90% levels and this is becoming more common every day old school is dieing every day can't is a word for the dead so bury them how to is the living i was told this by a corporate executive.
Other countries such as Japan and europe are demanding cars that get sixty mpg and we are looking at thirty mpg the first electric cars in the 1880 got very few miles but they ran those people would be excited about what we have now then the edison motors were preferred because they got about 30 miles on a charge this was teslas diong and his first electric cars for edison electric.
stepper motors can be run in resonance with batteries for a long time and produce good power output and run for days on a battery what if you run one with high frequency you get more rpm gear it down and gain torque how far can you go getting the input down and the torque up.
some of teslas patents show that the cores of his motors had copper and steel laminates but i have not seen any motors made in this configuration any time in my life. so was this a clue or just an owe well.
frolov in his book talks about capacitive generators i built three and they are unique in all aspects i think if you want to see something interesting you should build one.
MIT reciently did the broadcast power thing for a home and said it could run all the appliances in the house without wiring it but you and i won't see it or the tech either.
so we need to stop with the negative and start looking at how could it have been done then find the buggs and squash em.
keep your mind open.
Martin

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 08:01:55 PM »
This all happend when De Forrest's Audion came around and the tubes were modified by Mr Tesla.
Pherhaps he placed another grid around the tube to catch his glass penetrating stinging rays..
For more info see Gray's Conversion Switching Element Tube (Cset).

M.

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2009, 10:18:25 PM »

@ marco
this seems to fit with some other information that i got about the second car being made around 1918 when tesla was working for a colonel stafford in scennectody ny this car was said to run on batteries from new york to buffalo so how much was developed at this time buy so many engineers at the same place it must have been the manhattan project of WW1 radio and the likes developement.
thank you for the information it was interesting and all seemed to fit what else i have found and yes this seems to be allot to expect from batteries allone but with a 30 kw motor in resonance there could have been enough power to recharge the batteries especially at resonance. just a thought much like what the rotoverter people are doing.
Martin

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2009, 10:33:39 PM »
Yes  :) it basically creates a sink in natures energy reservoir by lowering the charge of the metal.
Then nature sees this un-balanced state and fills it up again.

Here you can see some pics of Mr.Edwin Gray and his inventions:
http://universalpower.webs.com/gallery/Edwin%20Vincent%20Gray/index.html

M.

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2009, 10:43:25 PM »
yes it seems that in the 1890's tesla was making gereranors with like 100 poles for making high frequency ac power and since motors are generators this may have been when he made the connection for high frequency resonation using them as a motor with far less power much like a stepper motor of today. but due to the number of poles it would have high torque and low rpm.
Martin
all of the systems i have looked at seem to be about this process including tilley and others from australia as well as from poland and belgrade all though we always seem to here about them being a hoaks i don't think they are.
i'll bite what are you thinking about as far as the high voltage DC?

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2009, 10:47:02 PM »
Well  :) that's not exactly what i have in mind, espacially with high voltage DC eyes, but good luck on your journey  :)

M.

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 12:50:12 AM »
i know his car is simpler than any of you think ...  ;D

what if .... 

he switched off the coils in the motor and insted of taping the coplase for  electricty ...  he kept it in a magnetic form ...

and disrupted the coils as needed to cause rotation ....

utializing the cold kick in magnetic form ..  to drive the car ... kinda radio control like


ist!

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Re: Powersource Tesla used for his Electric car ?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2009, 01:09:16 AM »

several things are nessicary for resonance effects to take place voltage core material current and time matching these factors with an off the shelf motor will be hard enough let allone multy cycle and voltage wound motors let us start simple and prove one thing at a time can a battery with a simple resonating circuit run a stepper motor as a tank circuit with minimum current draw from a battery,
the greater thought comes later as in what next
Martin

where do we get cheap stepper motors?