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Author Topic: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?  (Read 33118 times)

newbie123

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2009, 04:31:17 PM »

After the experiments described in my last post I continued to evolve the technology. I produced miniaturized self-oscillating tesla coils(3"x3"),there is no set frequency of oscillation as the devices trigger themselves. I found by adjusting the sensitivity I could turn these devices on and off from six feet away by simply moving my hand. Of course there is no mystery here, we are simply interacting with a HV/HF electric field. Next I duplicated this circuit and placed the two open loop self-oscillators at the equivalent of one radius away from one another. We have now set the stage whereby one oscillator may trigger itself and the other nanoseconds later producing a constructive interference pattern between the two in the mid-Mhz range. The field geometry would equate to one circle overlapping another, in sacred geometry this is called the "Vesica Piscis" which plays a very important role that many have yet to understand. It was found that if I placed myself at the midpoint between the oscillators the slightest twitch of my finger could produce large frequency deviations in the oscillators because in order to effect one you must effect both,they are dynamically linked. After some tuning the apparatus could detect not only motion but stress level, you could literally think something and modulate the frequency of oscillation. I understand to the layman this would seem beyond reason but in reality it is not that difficult to understand. The two oscillator fields produce a lensing effect in their central interference pattern in much the same way a microscope would, in fact the premise was based on optical phenomena. Now to my former question---"could my friends not believing my experiments validity change the outcome?", In this case yes my friends belief could literally dictate the outcome of an experiment because they have become an integral but distant part of it. This also relates to people and there preoccupation with tangible matter, they see what they know and what they have been taught to see but that is not all there is. We are immersed in dynamic fields and we have an electric field surrounding our bodies which some call an "aura", you can detect this field with a simple  oscilloscope. So you see in this instance what we believe may have effects we have never considered.
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AC

Honestly,  It sounds like you're just  trying to write us a creative story now...   I'm not saying it is impossible that an external circuit can be influence by brain activity (IR spectrum radiation can really be used to "read minds"),  but come on...     Saying   their belief in the circuit working directly influenced it's functionality, is pretty  hard to swallow...      This sounds like some BS story you're trying to relate to my question, imho..       

How did you confirm that their belief was directly influencing the circuit?    Did you have them sit in a chair between the two circuits and say...     
"Ok...   start believing  in my circuit  ...  NOW!"         (watch the circuit run)          Then say...   "Ok..     Stop believing in my circuit... NOW!"     ..  (the circuit stops working)

Lol..  Sorry this just sounds insane (even if it is true!).. 

« Last Edit: June 12, 2009, 05:36:09 PM by newbie123 »

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2009, 05:45:28 PM »
@newbie123
LOL, I believe Excommon was correct in his quote--
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
        Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
        English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - )

You will believe whatever you wish and there is little if anything I could ever do to change this fact. We will agree to say this was nothing more than a load of B.S then and leave it at that.
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AC

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2009, 06:16:09 PM »
  That's not how it works, positive potential alone won't drain out any electrons or reduce its magnetism.

Why?
And how to achieve this ?

newbie123

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2009, 06:30:15 PM »
@newbie123
LOL, I believe Excommon was correct in his quote--
You will believe whatever you wish and there is little if anything I could ever do to change this fact. We will agree to say this was nothing more than a load of B.S then and leave it at that.
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AC

Sorry..  But, this is another one of those stories  that requires  independent replications/verifications to be consider factual (for logical people).   But seriously,  you could  do a scientific research paper on this phenomena (mind control circuit)  and have it published in a respected scientific journal..  It you're weren't joking around.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2009, 05:34:54 AM by newbie123 »

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2009, 07:01:36 PM »
To All
this is a bit off topic and yet could be right on topic as far as were this is all going so here goes.
i once read a book about native dance and it had to do with the efficiency of these dance rituals to bring rain or the like and the man studing these dances from around the world found that they were quite structured and seemed to follow the same type of pattern that is used in electrostatic machines and that these could be duplicated and did show very promissing effects.
so here is potentially to open structured circuits of people and mind set to an influence.
I myself watch clouds quite often any more and find that they will show areas were water condenses and areas it seems to be evaporating from in a clear open sky i can only attribute this to an energy difference that causes a flow much like watching a candle flame in a high wind storm moves the candle flame before the gust of wind comes and yet electrostatics can make a flame do the same thing i heard firemen talk about the fire as a beast when i was young but looking back now after much study of energy fields and properties the flow and manner it seems to follow is purely predictable by charge flow and can be very controled but that is just stupid for some even when demonstrated.
energy is in abundance about us it seems to be the belief or the control of it we are lacking.
Martin

allcanadian

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2009, 05:23:35 AM »
@newbie123
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Sorry..  But, this is another one of those stories  that requires  independent replications/verifications to be consider factual (for logical people).   But seriously,  you could  do scientific research paper on this phenomena (mind control circuit)  and have it published in a respected scientific journal..  It you're weren't joking around.

The truth be known, I am one of those person's who has independently replicated the device in question, LOL, I replicate everything time allows to prove the matter for myself. Both Nicola Tesla and T.H.Moray had proven this technology around the 1930's and gave fairly accurate descriptions as to how the device works. In the 1980's another scalar wave researcher (Warren York) reproduced this experiment using high frequency sound waves and produced near the same results. As far as research papers in scientific journals are concerned I am just too old for that crap, LOL. I was never one to "buck" the system to much, it seemed kind of pointless. I prefer to convert people one on one, on a personal basis so they understand the underlying principals. In any case, my opinion has been fairly consistent over time -- believe what you want, I have nothing to prove to anyone, nor could I prove anything to anyone who is unwilling to prove the matter for themselves.
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AC

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2009, 05:57:02 AM »
@newbie123
The truth be known, I am one of those person's who has independently replicated the device in question, LOL, I replicate everything time allows to prove the matter for myself.

Proving the matter for yourself (only)  is a waste of time....   Proving to the world is not.   What if you made a mistake in an observation/experiment (mistakes and miscalculations can happen)?  Would you rather go on believing an error is the  truth rather than open your experiment to review or criticism? 


What good is replicating everything you can without every showing anyone else?     Can you imagine if real science was like this, and all researchers kept their findings confidential?      We'd be in the stone age still.


In scientific  research you need to prove things to other people and stay  open to criticism, or you're just wasting your time. Period.

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As far as research papers in scientific journals are concerned I am just too old for that crap, LOL.

Naw..



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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2009, 02:56:43 AM »
Where does the energy come from?
From what I have found it follows standard physics calculations with only a one change.
If I have a 1kg mass and ask how much energy will I get if I drop it? Well the question then is, how far will it fall? and the answer is it will fall forever!

Using gravity,this is impossible because it will soon run into something and stop it, but this is not true with a magnetic field.
In a magnetic field, a path can be made to "fall forever" and simply produce endless output in a way like electrons in orbit around an atom.





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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2009, 03:03:10 AM »
Don't forget an electron orbiting atom has 0 resistance in the vaccum, there is nothing to slow it down, therefore it will move forever (not necessarily  "orbit") ... Just like if you thrown an object in outer space, it will move forever ...  And no "work" or energy will occur unless it hits another object.


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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2009, 03:45:47 AM »
Don't forget an electron orbiting atom has 0 resistance in the vaccum, there is nothing to slow it down, therefore it will move forever (not necessarily  "orbit") ... Just like if you thrown an object in outer space, it will move forever ...  And no "work" or energy will occur unless it hits another object.

Hi Newbie.

Electrons are smeared across a nucleus in the form of an electron cloud or shell, it does not orbit around the atom. I think you're using high school classical particle physics and not current day Quantum mechanics.

the only time an electron is a point particle is when it is a mean free particle and under the correct conditions like in the double slit experiment.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2009, 03:48:06 AM »
Where does the energy come from?
From what I have found it follows standard physics calculations with only a one change.
If I have a 1kg mass and ask how much energy will I get if I drop it? Well the question then is, how far will it fall? and the answer is it will fall forever!

Using gravity,this is impossible because it will soon run into something and stop it, but this is not true with a magnetic field.
In a magnetic field, a path can be made to "fall forever" and simply produce endless output in a way like electrons in orbit around an atom.

Hi Lumen.

are you making this up as you go a long or did you read this some where?

Jerry :)

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #86 on: September 20, 2009, 04:03:01 AM »
If there is a delay in electric, then there is a delay in magnets.

In the world of energy it is all uttered.

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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #87 on: September 20, 2009, 04:15:38 AM »
Jerry,

Exactly.  That's what it meant by  "not orbit"  .. The "electron's motion" would have been more accurate... or density/probability.


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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #88 on: September 20, 2009, 04:39:44 AM »
Who cares about magnet motors , they are too expensive to machine .

Forget about magnet motors , you will waste your life and $ .

And plz , stop acting like you knew wtf you were talking about .



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Re: Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?
« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2009, 04:49:13 AM »
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are you making this up as you go a long or did you read this some where?

It is what I found in an experiment I did. I then constructed the path in Maxwell and found it to actually produce a constant force of a very significant amount, much to high to be error.

I am in the process of building the device so I can confirm the results in practice.
The partial device I built does already confirms the principal of operation but I will need to build a fully functioning device before I would believe it operates.

I can say this, all forces are balanced, the device does not use any push or pull from the magnets to operate and in fact it is required that the forces are balanced and not used for motion.

I have lots of data and field renderings on this method of operation, and I cannot find anything in the path that causes it not to operate.

So at this time I will continue on with the impossible!