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Offline Tradie

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2014, 10:21:27 PM »
Yep I have seen some trolls in my time but you sir take the cake.
I have never met either of you and thought I would throw an idea out there.
Even after how many years you have an opinion like that?
Round one aparently goes to Murilo by default of not being an arse.
"If you have nothing nice to say then dont copy and paste your garabage incesantly."
 

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2014, 10:21:27 PM »

Offline MarkE

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2014, 10:37:36 PM »
Rounds 1 through 10 have gone against Murilo because despite his efforts he has been unable to produce either a module that holds up to ordinary scrutiny, or a device that works as he asserts.

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2014, 10:52:05 PM »
Yep nice, another hero.
Im sure if we all never ever tried ever again the world would be such a happy place.
I suppose I just realised this isnt a forum for sharing ideas.
Shame on me really.

 

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2014, 10:52:05 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2014, 11:32:20 PM »
Yep nice, another hero.
Im sure if we all never ever tried ever again the world would be such a happy place.
I suppose I just realised this isnt a forum for sharing ideas.
Shame on me really.
There is no reason to make this personal.  I am only the messenger.

It's not about trying or wishing.  It is always about evidence.  Wanting to be able to jump off a building and fly may be a wonderful dream.  Just jumping without first at least coming up with a concept that has evidence that it has a chance of leading to a safe landing is just foolish or worse.  Murilo has yet to come up with any evidence that he has a scheme that works, or a scheme that could work in theory.

Most ideas are flawed.  Sometimes the flaws can be fixed.  Sometimes the flaws are irreparable and fatal.  If one wants to get help or advice then one should share.  If all one wants is to live in a fantasy of one's own making then seeking outside opinions from people who aren't also so deluded is bound to disappoint.  Would you be happier if people here lied to Murilo and didn't point out the truth?

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2014, 12:03:08 AM »
I love it when people say no need to make this personal when that is all they have contributed.

Your assuming that this group knows all there is to know.
Sure we can use theory, computer models and opinions but these do not turn Generator shafts.
Reality can be the only determinate of truth.
If it costs Murilo his life savings to understand a fact comprehensively is that such a bad thing?
Others pay that for a University degree.

Im currently building an Oil Hydrogenation Plant to remove PCB's.
Around me are 4 engineers who in theory designed it.
I build it and reality shows this model doesnt work.
Rather than get their hands dirty and understand their failings they go back to their computers and opinions.

The experts who have been there and done that dont carry on like children, as they know there is no possible way that this method will result in success.
The experts understand the direction of the learner and run them through their problems step by step until there is no more confusion.
If you are unwilling to be the expert then step aside while the learners thrash out their problems.


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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2014, 12:03:08 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2014, 02:55:31 AM »
I love it when people say no need to make this personal when that is all they have contributed.

My statement: 
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Rounds 1 through 10 have gone against Murilo because despite his efforts he has been unable to produce either a module that holds up to ordinary scrutiny, or a device that works as he asserts.
Recounts fact.  It is not personal.
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Your assuming that this group knows all there is to know.
Again, my statement recounted Murilo's history that does not support his extraordinary claim.  The burden of proving an extraordinary claim falls upon the claimant.
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Sure we can use theory, computer models and opinions but these do not turn Generator shafts.
Neither has any overbalanced device that Murilo or anyone else has ever built.  Were someone to successfully build such a thing, then matters would be different.  But no one has, and that is where matters stand.
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Reality can be the only determinate of truth.
And so far reality has mercilessly rejected such ideas.
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If it costs Murilo his life savings to understand a fact comprehensively is that such a bad thing?
Like anyone, he is free to hold what ideas he likes and pursue them as he likes.  When such ideas are discussed he should not be surprised or offended that given he has no supporting evidence, that his arguments are unconvincing.
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Others pay that for a University degree.
Others buy cars, or homes, or vacations.  So what?
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Im currently building an Oil Hydrogenation Plant to remove PCB's.
Around me are 4 engineers who in theory designed it.
I build it and reality shows this model doesnt work.
Rather than get their hands dirty and understand their failings they go back to their computers and opinions.
If they are capable engineers they will determine the root cause as to why their expectations were not realized.  What does this have to do with Murilo?
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The experts who have been there and done that dont carry on like children, as they know there is no possible way that this method will result in success.
If you consulted with and believed such expert opinion before you started, then why did you proceed despite such opinions?
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The experts understand the direction of the learner and run them through their problems step by step until there is no more confusion.
Mr. Simanek and TinselKoala both seem to have tried to educate Murilo.
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If you are unwilling to be the expert then step aside while the learners thrash out their problems.
I think that the facts speak for themselves.  You seem very unhappy with the report even though you do not dispute the facts.

Offline Tradie

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2014, 04:06:03 AM »
I love how you break down each sentance without considering the context of the whole.

Im yet to see an expert nor talk to one.
The most technical response I have received is "Truly".

I cant even see how a technical response can come from a suggestion that wasnt even detailed to the point where it could have a technical response without further clarification.
Ripping shreds of someone with honest input definitely seems that way to go.

Murilo's history is vast with all of his 18posts.
I dont know if you are dragging shit from elsewhere and I dont care.
Im taking this thread on face value and in good faith, can you claim the same?

Rounds one through 10 obviously sounds very technical and I could probably build the Mars Rover from it but it is opinion none the less.
Considering I dont know who Simanek is and koala has only 4 posts i'm assuming the rounds are quite short.

If the machines on this forum worked as hypothesised it would no longer be a forum, nor would the requirement for such a forum exist as we would be flying round the place with free energy.

It is wonderful that such forums exists so people can share thoughts and ideas to stimulate creativity within themselves.
Im sure if Murilo had working machines for sale that contractual liabilities may come to the fore for that claim, but lets just assume we are not contractual litigants and treat this idea on its merits.

So far all you have done is waste time on everything bar facts.
And since I havent seen any photos or evidence of your build im going to assume your not the expert.
Before you idiot "hero's" go round bitchslapping everyone for having a thought, take a deep breath and count to 10.

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2014, 04:06:03 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2014, 04:55:07 AM »
I love how you break down each sentance without considering the context of the whole.
I have pointed out the discrepancies in fact between what you have said and what is true.
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Im yet to see an expert nor talk to one.
Non-sequitor.
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The most technical response I have received is "Truly".
More non-sequitor.
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I cant even see how a technical response can come from a suggestion that wasnt even detailed to the point where it could have a technical response without further clarification.
Ripping shreds of someone with honest input definitely seems that way to go.
I have challenged only Murilo's claims.  It's not personal.  He simply doesn't offer evidence to support his extraordinary claims.
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Murilo's history is vast with all of his 18posts.
I dont know if you are dragging shit from elsewhere and I dont care.
Im taking this thread on face value and in good faith, can you claim the same?
My responses have been factual and not personal.  A good way to demonstrate good faith is to stick to the facts.
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Rounds one through 10 obviously sounds very technical and I could probably build the Mars Rover from it but it is opinion none the less.
Does it?
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Considering I dont know who Simanek is and koala has only 4 posts i'm assuming the rounds are quite short.
TinselKoala provided handy links.  You could show some good faith by following them.
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If the machines on this forum worked as hypothesised it would no longer be a forum, nor would the requirement for such a forum exist as we would be flying round the place with free energy.
And what does that tell you?
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It is wonderful that such forums exists so people can share thoughts and ideas to stimulate creativity within themselves.
It is indeed nice of Stefan to host this forum.
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Im sure if Murilo had working machines for sale that contractual liabilities may come to the fore for that claim, but lets just assume we are not contractual litigants and treat this idea on its merits.
That's more non sequitor.  Murilo asserts extraordinary claims.  He fails to support those claims with evidence.  Rational people point out the deficiency while rejecting his claims.  You object that is somehow unreasonable.
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So far all you have done is waste time on everything bar facts.
You are entitled to your opinion.
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And since I havent seen any photos or evidence of your build im going to assume your not the expert.
I find such logic absurd.
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Before you idiot "hero's" go round bitchslapping everyone for having a thought, take a deep breath and count to 10.
How about we just stick to the facts and don't make things personal?

Offline Tradie

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2014, 05:42:02 AM »
Im getting paid to reply to these posts and even then i'm growing tired of the same troll rubbish.
Everything you've spewed out is purgamentum and I wont be entertaining it any longer.

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2014, 06:04:05 AM »
Im getting paid to reply to these posts and even then i'm growing tired of the same troll rubbish.
Everything you've spewed out is purgamentum and I wont be entertaining it any longer.
If you think that pointing out facts is trolling, you are free to hold and express that opinion.

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2014, 05:51:43 AM »
If you think that pointing out facts is trolling, you are free to hold and express that opinion.

MarkE,
yes I have to thank you for your sense of justice and equilibrium!
For rude brains is very easy to condemn to any one and this has been constant in my path!
Someday, I hope, I'll see all this in a clear, very clear condition!
Please, consider me as your friend down in Sao Paulo, doesn't matter what can happen.
Not sure if I sent or not, but here is my short site:
http://avalanchedrive.com
Thanx again and best regards! 

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Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2014, 05:51:43 AM »
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