Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 84030
  • *Latest: ggvpower

  • *Total Posts: 893761
  • *Total Topics: 15703
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 2
  • *Guests: 10
  • *Total: 12

Author Topic: overbalanced chain drive  (Read 49136 times)

Offline maxpesh

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 05:43:36 PM »
I find it hard to believe that some people think this will not work. Of course it will, 4 - 5 times more weight on one side than the other always ! Good luck and get that thing working ;-)

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 05:43:36 PM »

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2013, 06:46:04 PM »
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/frcm.htm

Simanek explains:
Quote
[Note, Nov 11, 2008] When I first received this design from Murilo I thought it was a clever puzzle, or even a joke. But subsequent email exchanges with the inventor convinced me that he sincerely believes that it will work, and the photograph he sent me proved to me that he had already begun to build a prototype. That was several years ago, and he hasn't reported any success yet. He admits that his skills in this sort of work aren't up to the task. It is a sad story. Normally I don't reveal names of inventors in cases such as this, to protect self-deluded people from ridicule, but I subsequently found that he's proclaiming it to the world through his web site, AVALANCHEDRIVE - FRCM, and on web forums that discuss perpetual motion ideas, over-unity devices, and similar matters. So it is public knowledge now. He has also been annoying people by asking them for advice, then responding in anger when that advice does not confirm his own preconceptions. His feeble attempts to explain his invention show that he's using a brand of physics of his own invention, physics unknown to anyone else. When people refuse to respond to his pestering, he crows that this just proves that his device must work, and the lack of response is from people's frustration that they can't prove otherwise. You can read Murilo's own account of his invention at his web site, or at the link above, but I doubt that it will help you solve this puzzle. However, the animations are nice, and worth a look.
[Note, May 23, 2009] I received an email from Murilo, full of insulting language directed at me. He's apparently miffed at something he thinks I did, but his incoherent diatribe didn't reveal exactly what. I've been following his contributions to internet forums, where he refers to me by name and says I'm not capable of understanding the subtle principles of his wonderful invention. I have not responded to those. But it is sad to observe that there are people out there who swallow his ridiculous claims and cannot grasp why they are baseless. Not all are taken in. One fellow suggested that Murlio read my website to see why this avalanche drive can't work, but then added "Donald Simanek is debunking stuff so others can make it work." I don't think this person correctly discerned my motivation. My purpose is to educate people about physics so that they can correctly apply it to the real world, and help them to realize that these perpetual motion and over-unity schemes can never work no matter how much you tinker with them.
I see no evidence that Murilo has finished building a prototype. I predicted a couple of years ago that if he did ever make one, it would just sit there, unmoving. I stand by that. Murilo seems to be spending a lot of time defending his ideas on the internet, time that would be better spent building the thing and settling the matter. Like so many perpetual motion ideas, this one seems to be powered by hot air.
[Note, May 31, 2009] Another email from Murilo shows that he's still angry. Now he's accusing me of plagiarizing his design, with my Silly Slinky Device (SSSD). He seems unaware of the implications of this accusation. I clearly stated that my SSSD was deliberately designed to be an example of something that doesn't work. If it were a rip off of Murilo's idea, then he's admitting that his device doesn't work either. My SSSD was one of a number of crazy designs we undergraduates devised for fun, to explore the principles of classical mechanics, back when I was a student at the University of Iowa in the 1950s.
 However, since there may be a language barrier here, let me state clearly that I do not claim any priority for Murilo's avalanche drive. The two devices are quite different. His has an articulated chain that acts as a compound lever. Mine does not. His chain has the same principle as the Roberval balance. My SSSD does not. The only similarity is that both devices are belts over a pulley, but so are many unworkable devices invented and even patented in centuries past. Also, they both are continually heavier on one side of the pulley axle, in any position of rotation. But that fact alone does not make them turn continuously, as I have explained elsewhere on these pages. In fact, both will just sit there, unmoving. I told Murlio that what attracted my attention to his device was the compound lever system in the chain, a feature that was (so far as I know) original, and I give him full credit for that idea, even though it doesn't do anything that could help his device to move perpetually. It's his idea, and a worthless one, and he is welcome to full credit for it.

Sorry... but there it is.

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2013, 11:40:04 PM »
Koala,
thanx for reprising Simaneq matter, that he change all time.

As you see, NO technical arguments are sent... only talk and gossip.

PLEASE, since you a kind of master, with 6000 msg in the forum, try to send us your own and concise appreciation.

Pls, we know already all axioms... so you don't need to repeat them.

Send just logic arguments, just like MANY tried before. 

All you have to do is, PLEASE, show me that you are able to think by yourself!
The unforgivable thing is that up to now I'm in cook together this same hot pan.

Best!
Murilo
PS: I love cute and fair koalas! 

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2013, 11:40:04 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2013, 05:19:59 PM »
Gianna,
be sure, I'm glad that you have an working mind!

So, you'll also reach this argument in below, based in the same '1:2' example of sent draws:

- under acceleration we get falling speed '1' with mass '2' AGAINST opposite speed '2' with mass '1' - as seesaw.

- under 'g' behavior, or acceleration, in the very start, one side will block/break the other, due to equalized forces, as you and old physic say.

- BUT... remark this... before the full gravity action, we'll see that the grounded axle is HOLD by a charge and this charge will transform any primary mechanic gain in high torque... at very low RPM.

It's so simple, Gianna!

Since you are smart, you'll know what to do with this concentrated source of torque, that for sure will never reach the high speed of FREE 'g'.

Best!
Murilo

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2013, 12:09:07 AM »
Please, Gianna... Com-on!
Don't disappoint me!
Nothing else to say?
Generally I stay enough satisfied when someone says: 'oh... this is a case where only a model will be conclusive!'

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2013, 12:09:07 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline maxpesh

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2013, 10:07:02 AM »
C'mon people. No arguments, a working model will prove one way or another.  Let's just accept that overunity DOES exist, just take the rotoverter for example 7HP (5243watt)3 phase motor converted now runs at 1.46HP (1100watts) and yet only consumes 200watts. 1100/200 = 5.5x over unity. So, let's just keep things like this in mind and always be positive and supportive of each other and leave the petty things to the rest of dumbed down society watching soaps and sports. just saying ;-)

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2013, 10:32:49 AM »
Koala,
thanx for reprising Simaneq matter, that he change all time.

As you see, NO technical arguments are sent... only talk and gossip.

PLEASE, since you a kind of master, with 6000 msg in the forum, try to send us your own and concise appreciation.

Pls, we know already all axioms... so you don't need to repeat them.

Send just logic arguments, just like MANY tried before. 

All you have to do is, PLEASE, show me that you are able to think by yourself!
The unforgivable thing is that up to now I'm in cook together this same hot pan.

Best!
Murilo
PS: I love cute and fair koalas! 


You apparently didn't read the link I posted. There are two fully developed technical arguments showing why the overbalanced chain drive will not work. Here, I'll give it again.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/frcm.htm
All YOU have to do is to come up with a working model, to prove Simanek wrong (and me, and Gianna, and a lot of other people).... you've had many years to do it and you haven't yet.


C'mon people. No arguments, a working model will prove one way or another.  Let's just accept that overunity DOES exist, just take the rotoverter for example 7HP (5243watt)3 phase motor converted now runs at 1.46HP (1100watts) and yet only consumes 200watts. 1100/200 = 5.5x over unity. So, let's just keep things like this in mind and always be positive and supportive of each other and leave the petty things to the rest of dumbed down society watching soaps and sports. just saying ;-)
Well, then....since it's so easy to "accept that OU DOES exist", taking the rotoverter for example.....  I am so glad to hear that you, maxpesh, are running your home on a rotoverter power supply and don't need to be hooked to the grid any more. Oh... wait.... that's not the case is it. In fact, NOBODY, nohow, anywhere, is using a rotoverter power supply for _anything_ and getting 5.5x overunity from it.

Of course it is easy to disprove my "petty things"... all you have to do is to show your rotoverter putting out 1.46 HP on only 200 Watts input, which would _EASILY_ make it capable of self-looping. Tear yourself away from your soaps and sports, if you can, and show your working model that proves what you claim.

I say.....you cannot.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2013, 10:32:49 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2013, 08:55:39 PM »
When I invited you to think by yourself it was because Simaneq DIDN'T understand my proposition and/or he doesn't to...
All design I sent are to be seen as DIAGRAMS... basic diagrams...
The composition of the momentum he shows can be managed - IF NECESSARY - with larger wheel, for ex., with 22 or more hooks, instead 12, for that same chain proportions.
Simaneq will find himself very smart when advised that you are his absolute follower... 8(
All you have to do is be quiet and wait for new inputs.   8(
Be sure, you all, that I expected some grandness when this thread came over again.
Take care!
Murilo
 

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2013, 10:11:28 PM »
No it doesn't. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence at all that any device so far has been shown to be OU.

Gianna,
I read to your last 30 mails/responses in this forum...
No surprises and your opinions are single viced pure skeptical talk, as one can find everywhere.
At the contrary, I would be afraid about what you say to see in my project.
Sorry to say this, but I bet as 'NO' is already a positioned refrain word in your brain/mouth/fingers/life!
TC!
M

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2013, 10:11:28 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2013, 04:04:56 PM »
Hello!
As you can see, this thread falls again in silence and NONE intelligent talks and arguments are sent!
This is the reason why Simanek and other smart guys come to say: ''Oh... in all these years Murilo has done anything or gave-up!
He's trying, he's trying... Murilo is only one more stubborn PM searcher!''
BUT, actually I'm just a guy that fortunately/unfortunately got some ideas much bigger and complicated than myself and much more complicated than 'my cultural environment' may deal!'  8(
( of sure, the honored reader is included on above said 'my cultural environment')
See you around!
Truly!
Murilo


Gianna,
I read to your last 30 mails/responses in this forum...
No surprises and your opinions are single viced pure skeptical talk, as one can find everywhere.
At the contrary, I would be afraid about what you say to see in my project.
Sorry to say this, but I bet as 'NO' is already a positioned refrain word in your brain/mouth/fingers/life!
TC!
M

Offline maxpesh

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2013, 06:12:51 AM »
So when will the build be finished ?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2013, 06:12:51 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »
Hello!
As you can see, this thread falls again in silence and NONE intelligent talks and arguments are sent!
This is the reason why Simanek and other smart guys come to say: ''Oh... in all these years Murilo has done anything or gave-up!
He's trying, he's trying... Murilo is only one more stubborn PM searcher!''
BUT, actually I'm just a guy that fortunately/unfortunately got some ideas much bigger and complicated than myself and much more complicated than 'my cultural environment' may deal!'  8(
( of sure, the honored reader is included on above said 'my cultural environment')
See you around!
Truly!
Murilo



DITTO!
Murilo

Offline Tradie

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 14
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2014, 12:21:35 PM »
Perhaps a system where there are no solid links.
One where the loop is broken into two parts.
One where the weight is hoisted by rope then allowed to drop.
But before it drops the cog engages the next weight to hoist.
When the weight is allowed to fall a significant distance it crashes into the pile.
This way you are not relying solely on the offset weight theory but the acceleration theory to boot.
A flywheel may also have to be incorporated to harvest the energy to hoist the next weight.


Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2014, 05:26:41 PM »
Hello!
As you can see, this thread falls again in silence and NONE intelligent talks and arguments are sent!
This is the reason why Simanek and other smart guys come to say: ''Oh... in all these years Murilo has done anything or gave-up!
He's trying, he's trying... Murilo is only one more stubborn PM searcher!''
BUT, actually I'm just a guy that fortunately/unfortunately got some ideas much bigger and complicated than myself and much more complicated than 'my cultural environment' may deal!'  8(
( of sure, the honored reader is included on above said 'my cultural environment')
See you around!
Truly!
Murilo

Truly?

Yes, I forgot about Murilo: another claimant who cannot provide evidence for his claims, who proceeds to insult and disparage his critics and who disappears back into the wilderness without ever producing so much as a YouTube video or a photo of an apparatus of his own.  How many of those vanishing claimants have we seen now? Quinn, Ainslie, Mylow, elecar, Wayne Travis, PJH... the list goes on and on. At least some of those people actually had something to show besides words.

Offline murilo

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: overbalanced chain drive
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2014, 10:15:06 PM »
Perhaps a system where there are no solid links.
One where the loop is broken into two parts.
One where the weight is hoisted by rope then allowed to drop.
But before it drops the cog engages the next weight to hoist.
When the weight is allowed to fall a significant distance it crashes into the pile.
This way you are not relying solely on the offset weight theory but the acceleration theory to boot.
A flywheel may also have to be incorporated to harvest the energy to hoist the next weight.

Guys,
you can believe... I'm still on arena...  B)
As I can see, in the wile you also got no goals...
Enemies??? Oh, yes... many... I'm getting popular...
My design will run with the basic logic you see! Later on, we all the others can make different stuffs.
As example, a device built with brute steel and iron from old ships and trains!  B)))
Take care!
Murilo

 

OneLink