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Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications  (Read 344766 times)

minde4000

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #585 on: August 10, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »
@minde4000

You maybe will not repond but that's OK.

You are right in asking @TH such a question but I think I know why your results are not as good as @THs.

I would only ask one question to @TH.

Approximately how many coils did you try before you actual saw your acceleration effect. If he responds with many many coils were tried, then you also have your answer and so do I to realize that the shorted coils have to be trimmed.

Meaning what. It's all a question of timing. Timing will be affected by rotor diameter, magnet spacing, coil core diameter, coil size, etc. All this will play in the timing. Your general parameters of your build may be just out of the range of timing you can finally adjust with the only variable - rpm. Your set-up may need 6000 rpm or more.

I think if you put your shorted coil is series with a multi tapped coil, meaning a coil with many winds, let's say 500 turns, with a tap at every 50 turns going out of the coil. You can then put that coil in series with your coil and try different taps. Each tap will change the timing of the coil. If none of those taps work to get a better acceleration, then this means your coil itself is way out of range and the motor rpm cannot find the sweet spot.

Or, just add 5 more coils of 20-50 turn each over your existing coil and do the series connections as you wish and try it like that.

I don't know how to explian it better then that.


I understand that I have not tried many different coils. I do not have resources for that at the moment. I need 2 large bobbins and some more awg 22 wire so I would have a setup pretty closely matching T's. I am sure that large bifilars with lets say 22 awg mounted onto toroid like he has would act different so I have not tried this yet but I am getting there slowly. But how much different? Inventor insist that he does overcome core losses + power production. As far as we have gone - we cant pass core losses and not even mentioning power production.

But as I said before there are many different configs to be done before final conclusions to be presented here by me or others.

What does bother me: is unanswered key questions for one reason or the other. You pick.

Minde
 

i_ron

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #586 on: August 10, 2009, 08:08:42 PM »
@minde4000

You maybe will not repond but that's OK.

You are right in asking @TH such a question but I think I know why your results are not as good as @THs.

I would only ask one question to @TH.

Approximately how many coils did you try before you actual saw your acceleration effect. If he responds with many many coils were tried, then you also have your answer and so do I to realize that the shorted coils have to be trimmed.

Meaning what. It's all a question of timing. Timing will be affected by rotor diameter, magnet spacing, coil core diameter, coil size, etc. All this will play in the timing. Your general parameters of your build may be just out of the range of timing you can finally adjust with the only variable - rpm. Your set-up may need 6000 rpm or more.

I think if you put your shorted coil is series with a multi tapped coil, meaning a coil with many winds, let's say 500 turns, with a tap at every 50 turns going out of the coil. You can then put that coil in series with your coil and try different taps. Each tap will change the timing of the coil. If none of those taps work to get a better acceleration, then this means your coil itself is way out of range and the motor rpm cannot find the sweet spot.

Or, just add 5 more coils of 20-50 turn each over your existing coil and do the series connections as you wish and try it like that.

I don't know how to explian it better then that.


Wattsup, I would suggest you preform these very experiments and report your findings to the group.

I saw this same diehard support of the inventor in the mylow group so your credibility has worn a bit thin with me.

I have reported my findings openly and honestly, so has Minde, now lets have yours and Thane's.

Ron

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #587 on: August 10, 2009, 09:11:31 PM »
As far as we have gone - we cant pass core losses and not even mentioning power production.
Minde

CORE LOSSES ARE A NON ISSUE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE CORES ARE A COMMON DENOMINATOR IN BOTH CONVENTIONAL DECELERATING GENERATORS AND REGENERATIVE ACCELERATING GENERATORS.

CAN YOU AGREE THAT CONVENTIONAL GENERATORS HAVE CORES?

T

minde4000

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #588 on: August 10, 2009, 09:47:47 PM »
Here is one thingy. My coil measures some 2.15 H inductance at 120 hz and as a capacitor at 1 khz. Also I have an aircap .2 mf. According to formulas my resonant freq is some 250 hz. And if I connect that cap in parallel to bifilar I dont dare to hit that resonant spot or my rotor is ready to peal my coil off the brackets. I learned this the hard way when I let it rundown with cap connected. When it hit some 1600-1400 rpm looked like rotor tried to "grab" my coil (jeez!) also multimeter was hooked up and it just fried right there...

If start to run system up I cant pass 1300 rpm. Motor cant overcome it.

What is going on there at resonance?

Minde


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #589 on: August 11, 2009, 12:37:30 AM »
Hey minde,

I have experimenting with caps also. see the Barto'lenzess etc capacitor http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7904.0 thread.When you apply a cap, and progressing towards a  resonant mode,
amps are mounting as well as volts.

My rotor at some reasonant rpm, exerts such break-effect on the coil that tends to smash coils' basis, and acts like an ABS breaking system!

I think that with the help of the cap, at this near-resonant frequency, each alternating current cycle stacks. Cap is overcharged and energy is accumulating will potential disastrous effects.

I tend to think at the moment this is not something desirable.

Regards,
Baroutologos

minde4000

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #590 on: August 11, 2009, 02:21:10 AM »
I wonder if there is some way to take advantage of such a resonance. Its like Bart said: lots of rpm dropped in less than a second and still glad my coil didnt brake off. Such a hit. Multimeter kept frying there for 2-3 seconds. At resonance coil gets close to superconductive and it grabs on a magnet big time. Maybe someone experienced could explain how to take advantage of this. Imagine @6000 rpm your system reach this resonance... effects could be destructive..  all of the sudden all of your coils fly off  ;D

Minde

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #591 on: August 11, 2009, 11:10:57 AM »
I wonder if there is some way to take advantage of such a resonance.

Actually there is. Resonances recirculate energy, so if more energy pumping the system goes in, then is being withdrawn or lost, the power will build until something breaks. Power companies often take advantage of resonance to do power factor correction, lowering power production/delivery costs. Sometimes banks of capacitors are used, but often, an unloaded motor or undriven generator is left in circuit, which acts as a capacitor when deliberately run out of phase. This is called a synchronous condenser (or synchronous compensator).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser

supermuble

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #592 on: August 14, 2009, 03:32:32 AM »
I would like to get some advice   ??? ;D

I have a 20" circumference plastic rotor, about 6.5" diameter. I am thinking that 10 Neo magnets spaced at regular intervals, about 0.400" apart from each other. The coil spools i want to use are 2.5" deep x 2" wide with a 3/4" hollow core.

I could use any advice that would help. I can probably run a maximum of 8000 rpm on my Window motor prime mover. What combination of magnet spacing, magnet sizes, core type, etc should I use on my generator disk.

Here is an example of the sizes, but I plan on rewinding the coils and using Neo magnets (not ceramic). See pic.









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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #593 on: August 15, 2009, 08:24:50 PM »
We live in an artificial paradigm where everything has limitations. The limitations are artificial. There are no laws that cannot be bent or broken.  ;D

« Last Edit: August 16, 2009, 01:06:32 AM by supermuble »

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #594 on: August 16, 2009, 02:58:53 AM »
We live in an artificial paradigm where everything has limitations. The limitations are artificial. There are no laws that cannot be bent or broken.  ;D

Some very nice graphics.

Except they don't reflect the real world happenings. I showed that the shorted coil actually changes polarity by nearly 180 degrees... where is this in your fantasy piece? It would be better to base your hypothetical
modeling on a working machine, don't you think?

Ron


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #595 on: August 16, 2009, 03:11:11 AM »
Can you please post diagrams. Your explanation doesn't help me visualize it.

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #596 on: August 16, 2009, 03:28:18 AM »
OUR BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER IS ABOUT TO GO UNDER THE MAGNA-FYING GLASS.

HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS. WITH THE INPUT LEADS REVERSED THE POWER FACTOR GOES TO 1 BUT THE INPUT CURRENT DROPS AND THE EFFICIENCY IS STILL 288% - IN THE "CORRECT" LEAD ORIENTATION THE EFFICIENCY IS 1650% WITH A POWER FACTOR OF 0.035 OR 88 DEGREES.

T

"Correct" Input Lead Orientation

Input Voltage = 120.0
Input Current = 0.01 amps                                                                             
Power Factor = 0.035 / 88 degrees
                                                                     
Input Power = 0.042 watts   

Load Voltage = 2.63 volts

Output Power = 0.692 watts

Efficiency = 1648%

Reversed Lead Test Data

Input Voltage = 119.9
Input Current = 0.002 amps                                                                             
Power Factor = 1.0 / 88 degrees
                                                                     
Input Power = 0.24 watts   

Load Voltage = 2.63 volts

Output Power = 0.692 watts

Efficiency = 288%

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #597 on: August 16, 2009, 03:29:07 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #598 on: August 16, 2009, 03:29:45 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #599 on: August 16, 2009, 08:35:49 PM »
I am confused.  ;D

For acceleration to occur, you have to have an inverse of Lenz's law, otherwise there is no way an Adams motor would accelerate with loaded coils. I read an article that says the larger the inductance, the lower the speed threshold is for acceleration. The guy who wrote the article tried dozens of coils and cores and determined that there is a minimum threshold speed based on the inductance.

Could you explain more simply what happens in the coil core? If I am totally wrong, then what am I wrong about?


Are you saying that the coil cores reverse magnetic fields and current by 180 degrees when loaded?? So what does that mean? That can't be the case at all RPM. At extremely high RPM, things have to change because the inductor only functions up to a certain RPM, at which case no increase in speed can occur in the inductor. Isn't this why they use inductors as noise filters, and call them "charging chokes" because they block high frequencies.

I am just a little confused and I hope you can explain why my diagram is completely wrong. Let me know what I need to do to fix it. Thanks   ;D