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mondainmax

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Will it work ?
« on: May 26, 2009, 08:35:40 PM »
Will it work ?

TinselKoala

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 10:02:41 PM »
No.

mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 10:24:02 PM »
why ? i want to learn. can you explain ?

grayone

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 10:51:29 PM »
mondainmax; It looks to equal to me, and not to mention allot of friction that will require oiling. Or of course we might not understand what you have drawn as well. ???

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 11:04:47 PM »
This cannot function since there is no difference in torque between the two sides. This was established in 1719 by Dr. Desagulier in a famous experiment called Desagulier's balance (see his drawing below ) The same principle applies here.

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mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 11:17:17 PM »
it will move like that.

mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 11:25:41 PM »
This cannot function since there is no difference in torque between the two sides. This was established in 1719 by Dr. Desagulier in a famous experiment called Desagulier's balance (see his drawing below ) The same principle applies here.

Hans von Lieven

in that photo P can move on F-G bar or not ? also W ?

hansvonlieven

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 11:35:21 PM »
I know what you are trying to show, but there is no difference in force, in fact both sides balance.

Below is a simplified diagram of your device. It shows clearly that it acts like Desagulier's balance. The distribution of forces are the same.

Read up on Desagulier's balance, it is not a well known phenomenon but it is real.

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mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 11:50:45 PM »
I know what you are trying to show, but there is no difference in force, in fact both sides balance.

Below is a simplified diagram of your device. It shows clearly that it acts like Desagulier's balance. The distribution of forces are the same.

Read up on Desagulier's balance, it is not a well known phenomenon but it is real.

Hans von Lieven

Reds cancel cause of downward force but the others that are on gear and they want go
to left. if i make a mistake pls show me i want to learn.

hansvonlieven

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 11:57:58 PM »
Just make a simple rig up as shown, maybe using a Meccano set and study its behaviour. The chain makes all the difference when the forces are distributed, it no longer acts like a flapwheel, though a flapwheel does not work either, but for different reasons.

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mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 11:59:49 PM »
i want to apologize because of my english . i know i cant speak good.

hansvonlieven

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 12:07:12 AM »
Your English is no problem, what is your language by the way?

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mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 12:15:32 AM »
turkish. i live in turkiye
i think flapwheel doesn't work because of centrifugal force and friction.

hansvonlieven

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2009, 12:58:28 AM »
You live in a very beautiful country. Having lived and traveled extensively in Turkey in the days of General Cemal Gürsel I got to know it quite well.

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mondainmax

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Re: Will it work ?
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2009, 01:27:24 AM »
i want to ask a question in Desagulier's balance drawn when P is on 1 and W is on 1 there will be no effect . when P is on 1 and W is on 6 then P will go down and W will go up and we take some energy ? i think it's equal to 6*P or W(mass)*G(gravity force)*sinx . then locked the machine think P and W is like a ball and move the f and h upward just 1 cm (example) and P will go to G and W will go to I
(we use very small part of energy that we gained.) Unlocked the machine now W's moment is more than P so P is going to up and W to down and also gain 2*enegry that we calculated before. If i make a mistake please show me. Thanks
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