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Offline ScottClarke

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got over the sticky spot
« on: February 19, 2006, 03:43:54 AM »
K,

18 hours of shaping a magnet and I have this - comments very much welcome.....

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/scottclarke/Movie11.wmv

highly compressed - if you need to see a higher res version say so - for now I'm going to replace the old mags with some neo's I'll source tomorrow - then close the loop.

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got over the sticky spot
« on: February 19, 2006, 03:43:54 AM »

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2006, 04:10:15 AM »
ScottClarke, thanks for the video. It loads very fast and is of excellent quality. Will wait eagerly to see tomorrow's results. Good luck.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 04:38:45 AM »
This is very interesting to see. I have like 300 1/8 x 1/8 neos i can probably try to duplicate this and see what i get. Can anyone come up with some measurements of a prototype? i had built a wheel that goes 300 degress but stops at last magnet. this might solve that problem. I have to try this.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 04:38:45 AM »
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Offline ScottClarke

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 04:55:26 AM »
Duranza,

You will need ferrites too. The magnet responsible for the 1way pull took 18 hours to shape. - If I had known the shape I needed it would have taken 1/2 hour!

This took over 12 months to get to this point. I obviously do not have measurements yet - they will come with time. The specifics will become puiblic knowledge - have no fear.

For now I have what I am certain can become a self runner with a slight excess. If/when this works I intend to reproduce a much larger multi rotor version that can generate some real power.

Understand I am not holding back anything at this point. Trial and error has led me to this and I simply do not have the specifics. I am not sure of the field shape, strength nor dimensions of the whole. My main concern is the shaped ferrite - without it there is no way it would work. Reproducing it will be troublesome - especially if using different shaped magnets. I do not have a source for these - I have had them for at least 10 years in the bottom of a tool box.

What I am certain of is that neo's all round will not work - been there done that!

Regards,

Scott

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2006, 05:03:45 AM »
That's how i got the wheel to go 300 degrees... i used neos for the rotor and weaker ferrites for the stator. i have tryed to grind the last ferrite to make it go over the sticky spot but no luck. I like the ball bearing with the neo idea. I looks like it evenly spreads the flux around. I'll be very happy to see something come out of this.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2006, 09:35:23 PM »
Hi Scott,

This video is quite interesting. What is the polarity of the shaped magnet you are using? If it is what I'm thinking, then this gate bears a striking resembelance to the Johnson Magnetic gate. Is the small neo on the nail have the same pole facing out as the ceramic mag to the left of it?

Also what program did you use to compress that video?

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2006, 10:45:54 PM »
Hiya all,

5 minutes ago the test setup was pretty much destroyed:(

I have been out sourcing some magnets - nothing but neo's for sale nowadays it seems:(

Anyway, it took 5 hours of farting around with the neo's before I got anywhere - if I had used ceramics all the way round I am certain I would not have rushed to a finish. Final configuration included an additional ball and neo's opposite the other + holed ceramics covering those neo's

With all the magnets in place I gave the rotor a push, it rotated once slowly then it went berserk. It threw one ball and associated mags which took out the shaped magnet and the two to the right of it.

As regards polarity they all point the same way. It seems it's the interaction of those fields (especially with regard to those neo's on the ball) that allows for the crossing.

Finally, I am going to rebuild but want to do it with a single ball, for this I need large 1 inch square ceramics approx 1/4 thick - poles on the large faces. Someone please tell me where I can get some!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Scott

EDIT: program is windows movie maker - 150k stream. Cam is a Sony DSCP200 still camera
« Last Edit: February 19, 2006, 11:03:08 PM by ScottClarke »

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 12:01:49 AM »
Hi Scott,

Here's a good cheap source for a bunch of ceramic magnets. I ordered some from this company and they were good quality.

Box of 400 ceramic magnets for $49.99. 3/4" x 1 7/8" x 1/4" thick.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ceramic-Magnets-Block-style-400-pcs_W0QQitemZ7590784620QQcategoryZ1267QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's a set of 100 ceramic bar magnets 1.500" L x 0.375" W x 0.280" for $45.00 also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Ceramic-bar-Magnets-1-50-long_W0QQitemZ8260155831QQcategoryZ75576QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I hope that will help you out.

As for your exploded motor. What happened? Did it spin out of control or did the magnet simple fly off the disk or something? And also, is the magnet you cut on polarized the same way as the other ceramic magnets you have or is is polarized through the length?

God Bless,
Jason O
« Last Edit: February 20, 2006, 12:23:58 AM by Jdo300 »

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 08:04:33 AM »
Hello, I just viewed your video. Very impressive. I too have spent hundreds of hours attempting to build a permanent magnet motor without success.I too was once where you are now. With an apparently operational flux gate. However once I closed the loop it no longer worked. I hope that you have more sucess then I had. I had to quit working on my permanent magnet motor as I feared it was making me insane. I no longer spend my free time working on free energy devices as I can no longer justify the time and money. However I am still entertained by others attempts to do so. Best of luck to you.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 08:41:53 AM »
Mad Scientist, can you explain more thoroughly what your ?operational flux gate? looked like? How did you close the loop that didn?t work when you closed it? Do you have a video from you experiments? Would be interesting to see it ...

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 02:18:47 PM »
very nice, will see what happens.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 07:08:16 PM »
Mad Scientist, can you explain more thoroughly what your ?operational flux gate? looked like? How did you close the loop that didn?t work when you closed it? Do you have a video from you experiments? Would be interesting to see it ...

My attempt at a permanent magnet motor was the same as Scott's as the strator magnet array got closer to the rotor at it went around. And the sticky spot was the point where the magnets on the stator were closest to the rotor just as in scott's motor. And just like scott I devised a very similar method using experimentation that allowed the rotor magnet to get past the sticky spot until I completed the stator magnet array and once I did that it attained equilibrium. It's all quite frustrating. I will be very surprised if scott's attempts at building this motor are sucessful. However with that said I will also be very very happy for him. If he is successful he will be the first. Others have claimed to have built one in the past but I am sceptical as to their success. If someone had ever been able to build one of these motors we would have seen them by now. Do I think that it is possable? Yes, I still do. However with that said I believe that a much greater understanding of the permanent magnet will be required. Such as a way to switch the magnet on and off with a very small amount of energy used if any. I'm sure that their has to be a way. Good luck to all. In the future I might take up another attempt at building another permanent magnet motor yet again I just need a bit of a break from it for a while so that maybe I can come up with a fresh new direction at witch to tackle this problem. Because god knows that we are all in desperate need of another energy source, I don't even want to think of what oil prices are going to be like in a decade or two. We have GOT TO SUCCEED AT THIS WE HAVE TO, SOMEONE DOES OR WE ARE ALL DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED.

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2006, 07:36:16 PM »
?Such as a way to switch the magnet on and off with a very small amount of energy used if any.?

Mad Scientist, did you see Butch?s topic ?Video,pics,animation,Magnetic Fuel project now online? (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,748.0.html), posted right below this one? Seems they have achieved this. What do you think?

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2006, 08:03:13 PM »
Also, do you have any idea how Mike Brady has overcome this problem in his PERENDEV motor?

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Re: got over the sticky spot
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2006, 10:12:05 PM »
?Such as a way to switch the magnet on and off with a very small amount of energy used if any.?

Mad Scientist, did you see Butch?s topic ?Video,pics,animation,Magnetic Fuel project now online? (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,748.0.html), posted right below this one? Seems they have achieved this. What do you think?

I doubt that they have achieved anything other than building a unique electrical motor. Until I see hard hard evidence this is what I will continue to believe. The most desirable permanent magnet motor would be one that uses no electricity at all, only permanent magnets. Then NOBODY would be able to dispute it.

 

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