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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: RunningBare on May 25, 2009, 12:27:13 AM
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As proposed by Pirate, I have created a topic just for this.
I have attempted to keep the questions unbiased by asking the topic heading.
Is Sterling Allan of Peswiki fame truthful honest person?
The vote maybe found here http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
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He's a greedy person,the selling goes on
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/#Purchase
cat
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It should be noted as stated in the other thread, I do not take these kind of polls seriously, there are just too many factors involved, not least of which is the folk have grown tiresome of this whole affair and will refrain from voting.
But the polls are a good indicator of peoples feelings.
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RB:
This will be very interesting to see the final results. I agree with you about polls in general but, as you said, they do give a good indication of which way the wind is blowing. If Mylow see this poll, I wonder which way he would vote? (I really have no idea)
Bill
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That is an interesting question, if Mylow is truly sorry, then he is the one to come forward and tell Sterling that he must stop all activity relating to his lie.
If Sterling really feels sorry for Mylow and feels Mylow is in danger, then is he also not helping to put Mylow in further danger?
RB:
If Mylow see this poll, I wonder which way he would vote? (I really have no idea)
Bill
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Well, the grammars not perfect, but the message is clear
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1749
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I retain a measure of confidence that at least one of Mylow's magnet motor versions may have actually worked
And Sterling thinks Mylow is the one with a psychosis... ::)
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And Sterling thinks Mylow is the one with a psychosis... ::)
He has to say that to rationalize why he would be selling the plans to fakes.
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I think the guy is honest but misguided and incredibly gullible. He made the damn trip to see MyLow. If he knew the motor was fake, he would not have done that.
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And after the facts?
I'll go along with gullible before the facts, but it's now stretched beyond credibility.
I think the guy is honest but misguided and incredibly gullible. He made the damn trip to see MyLow. If he knew the motor was fake, he would not have done that.
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I see the "NO's" are still climbing.
Bill
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It's expected, even if and I stress if Sterling is being deliberately fraudulent, I'm sure he has friends.
I see the "NO's" are still climbing.
Bill
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I can't seem to find the "Sterling Allan is a Weasel" choice.
:-X
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34 votes and it is still going.
Bill
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It was to be a third choice, but I once had a weasel as a pet, dern thing only ever bit me once, so they aint so bad.
I can't seem to find the "Sterling Allan is a Weasel" choice.
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It was to be a third choice, but I once had a weasel as a pet, dern thing only ever bit me once, so they aint so bad.
Not so bad certainly, as semi-domesticated animals go.
But as you probably found out, very good at squirming out of tight situations, and occasionally leaving a bad odor behind.
Best to keep them in a stout cage, and keep Mr. Hand at a safe distance.
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This is actually one of the better polls I have seen. When it is all said and done it asks: Did Sterling know all along it is a scam or didn't he?
Without wanting to cast a sleight against anyone it would appear that the voters have a very clear opinion on what is going on here.
Even at best, Sterling will have a hard time to make up ground in relation to his credibility.
Perhaps this does not matter in the long run. Howard Johnson never produced anything of value and yet, he is revered by many on the strength of what can only be called rumours.
My guess is Sterling will keep on pushing his line (with modifications) and probably make a dollar or two on the way through. If Howard Johnson is any indication, he will.
Hans von Lieven
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Stranger facts have been confirmed to be true.
I read in the paper that a West-German student was killed by a Stazi agent in the 60's or 70's (new facts, he was known as a West German policeman). Had his Stazi employment been made public at the time, even the Western students would not have believed it. Yet, the Easterns had reason to want to unsettle the balance in their neighbour's country.
Wacked theory, I don't say it's my opinion. Perhaps it should have been a poll option:
Sterling actually works for the real MIB (they usually dress in Blue really), by spreading lots of great info on any free energy technology that will not actually work as proposed. Adding to the drama where possible. Fascinating the believers, putting off the sceptics. Discrediting the open source community, undermining the credibility or free energy.
Could he have done a better job lately? :-)
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Ok guy's, the Sterling supporters really need to get in there, the poll is so lopsided!
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
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RB:
All of Sterling's relatives have already voted, what is he to do?
Great poll by the way.
Bill
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What do you click to vote? I'm not seeing any active 'vote' links anywhere on the page (FF 3.0.10).
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Page top right, blue box with vote options, with large white letters saying Is Sterling Allan of Peswiki fame truthful honest person?
What do you click to vote? I'm not seeing any active 'vote' links anywhere on the page (FF 3.0.10).
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Current poll status
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
10 Votes (21%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
38 Votes (79%)
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Latest poll update as of this post
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
15 Votes (27%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
41 Votes (73%)
It is either folk are not confident about the vote or Mr Sterling still has more supporters that have not yet seen the poll.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Page top right, blue box with vote options, with large white letters saying Is Sterling Allan of Peswiki fame truthful honest person?
Guess my browser doesn't see it, page image attached (99polls.jpg).
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It';s Java.
You have to enable Java in your browser or if you are using a script blocker, disable the blocker/allow the page.
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It';s Java.
You have to enable Java in your browser or if you are using a script blocker, disable the blocker/allow the page.
Or login
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Thanks for the tips.
No problem with java, javascript or ad-blocking.
registered and logged-in.
I can see all the example poll-boxes and click on the selections at:
http://www.99polls.com/?action=doc&page=examples
Still can't see the one for this poll.
I have an email in to admin@99polls.com
Thanks again.
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Very little change since yesterday, but I will post the results regardless.
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
16 Votes (27%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
44 Votes (73%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
17 Votes (27%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
46 Votes (73%)
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I vote neither.
I am not here to support Sterling, nor anyone else in particular. To be fair, Sterling is no less honest and sincere than anyone else on this forum. He believes what he believes, just like countless others here, whether it be right or wrong.
The "unaware" do not get persecuted, even though they steadfastly cling to their beliefs that they have indeed discovered something new and that it is overunity, when those that are aware, know without a doubt the individual in question is misguided. I could name several examples, but I will not. I do not know Sterling's background, and he may very well be educated in Mechanics or Electronics, but the fact is that even those that are "educated" in these disciplines can get "Mylowed". Apparently, people's beliefs or desire to believe can sometimes drown out the logical voice normally there saying "are you 100% certain?" Sterling is either "unaware" or is not listening to internal nor external logic, or both. This has nothing to do with being truthful or honest. If it is intentional, then yes, but passionate steadfast belief is just that, it is without mal intent.
It is my understanding that the Mylow plans are free and always have been, so anyone that pays for them ought to have paid more close attention. Why Strerling continues to "sell" the plans is a mystery, but it is quite common for folks to offer things for free, but also leave the option of making a donation. Sterling should do the same if he doesn't already have something in place on his website.
Why is Sterling being singled out to be dragged through the mud? Yes he was suckered in to the Mylow thing, but so were many. I believed in Mylow for quite some time, but I did not go around bashing the skeptics, in fact I thank them for doing all that homework for us. I try to keep an open mind when something outside the field of my expertise is involved, and so should the so-called inventors. In the end Mylow was found to have faked all his videos, and I can accept that. It was not the first time, and it probably won't be the last. I for one have become the wiser for this Mylow experience. Present something electrical in nature and I may comment promptly, and with a fair degree of confidence. I have played with magnet motors in the past, but I was willing to let this one play out until someone more qualified than myself could prove it a fake. As it turned out, this was a wise decision--I did not waste any money or time on this.
Folks like Sterling and every other fresh misguided "inventor" that appears from nowhere making fantastic claims ought to be tutored if they are receptive. If not, perhaps they should be shunned. Dragging them through the mud with polls does no good but create negative ambiance, and animosity.
The "Free Energy Community" is made up of a myriad of individual types, ages, and educational backgrounds. Much of the time we don't seem to agree, which is fine. Bashing each other with rude comments brings us all down though. And this goes for ALL on BOTH sides of the fence. Moderators should do better, and skeptics and believers can also.
Sometimes it's better to leave a dead horse lay. Sterling has done sufficient damage and does not need any help. In a sense he is another Tommy Reed, or (fill in the blank), because he believes what he believes, and will not believe anything else until he sees proof convincing to himself. It seems he is already well on the way to throwing in the towel on this one, according to recent posts @ yahoo.
I understand that Sterling is looked up to because he has a popular website and has apparently been "objective" in the past, but he is human and will falter. Give him that leeway, or persecute every "Tommy Reed" that comes along from this point forward. I don't think that's the best solution.
This poll only proves that Sterling is indeed human.
Regards,
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PS. Apologies to Tommy Reed for using him as an example, even though I said I would not mention anyone.
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Real honest guy. Protects persona info while he believes and puts it on the web when he does not.
Also he gives out info that was not to be share, and of course it was leaked in the mylow case also.
So a repeat of a post on a different thread.
Sterling D. Allan:
Putting Mylows real name, address and phone on the web just shows again how you are of questionable ethics.
Yesterday while you believed, it was all good, now you do not; you give out his personal info in spite.
No one should trust you. You keep proving it over and over.
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A quote taken from the poll http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
gues
05/28/2009 (57 minutes ago)
Well after 4 days and a grand total of 69 votes taken on this poll, it goes without saying nobody gives an F about this. Also, what does it say about the character of the person that instigated this poll? Sadly it says a lot!
A lot of what?, and since Sterling had made a similar poll (http://www.99polls.com/poll_66061) regarding Mylow, does it also apply to Sterling?
But after seeing Sterling give out confidential information, the poll regarding him is insignificant, he's managed quite well to shoot himself in both feet.
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I am in no way sticking up for, nor defending Mylow or his actions here but, Sterling has crossed the line. (again) Mylow will have a good case against Sterling for outing his personal info. This could put Mylow (Jose) and his family at risk as we all know there are kooks on the net. There was no reason to do this. It is wrong and I hope Jose follows up on this. In the meantime, this is a lesson on how Sterling might treat you too.
Bill
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Now there's an evil thought, Mylow had this planned out all along, perhaps some revenge thing, get Sterling to do something like give out confidential information and then sue his butt.
Mylow was in the wrong for deception, Sterling is being criminal.
We can also go one step further with this, Mylow is an MiB plant to discredit Sterling and Peswiki (keep your paws off Sterling, this is my idea)
I am in no way sticking up for, nor defending Mylow or his actions here but, Sterling has crossed the line. (again) Mylow will have a good case against Sterling for outing his personal info. This could put Mylow (Jose) and his family at risk as we all know there are kooks on the net. There was no reason to do this. It is wrong and I hope Jose follows up on this. In the meantime, this is a lesson on how Sterling might treat you too.
Bill
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These last couple months on the OU sites have gotten my head spinning none stop, who to believe, what to believe? Now that the scientific method has proven fakery on all vids. I can now rest a little.
Sterling you are way out of line by outing Mylow the way you did my friend, you crossed the line...
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I'd say this poll (http://www.99polls.com/poll_67315) says more about the person than the other poll.
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I'd say this poll (http://www.99polls.com/poll_67315) says more about the person than the other poll.
RB:
I have to agree.
Bill
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I have seen a lot of shit in the FE movement over the years but nothing has ever come close to what appears to be going down now.
I don't know if Sterling's outing of Mylow is real, I mean, does anyone still believe anything the prick is saying?
If it is real, it is the lowest act I have ever witnessed in a forum such as this. I hope Mylow was smart enough to lie to Sterling about his personal data as Alfparts suggests.
There is more than a good chance that the whole scam was originated by Sterling and Mylow was just a dimwitted participant that got arseholed when the scam fell apart.
Even if Sterling was the dimwitted victim; to shit on Mylow from a great height to save his own bacon is about as low as you can get.
Sorry Sterling, as far as I am concerned you are not worth listening to.
Hans von Lieven
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I don't know if Sterling's outing of Mylow is real, I mean, does anyone still believe anything the prick is saying?
Heck, if it's a false address, I hope no one lives there, i can hear the conversation now
Nutter: Mylow we're goona rip you apart for faking that permanent magnet motor!!
Person at address: Permanent what?, Permanent magnet what??, honey you better phone the sheriff, looks like another one escaped.
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Sterling:
Putting Mylow's contact information on your web site was a breach of trust. No matter that you got burnt by him, you should not have divulged that info.
You are pissed and spiteful that you got burnt, but you dove right in on your own accord, and you have no one but yourself to blame for that. Do the right thing and remove the info (although it may already be too late).
.99
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All and all, This is a good lesson for anyone else who wants to fake a device. But those who promote afterwords should make sure what they are supporting before putting a knife to their own throat.
I somewhat feel for mylow. For he has fallen out of the frying pan and into the fire. I wonder how many of us after working on ways to make it happen for for years and just wanted a little excitement of success before giving up. Even though it is a false success. It is a harsh lesson that we should take heed about, so we wont fall into the same thing which, IMO can be caused by a depression of failure. And I don't think I ever want to do business with Sterling Allan after this. Of course I wonder if Sterling Allan has been suffering from depression of failure. Depression can cause people to do things they would never do otherwise.
Future caution is our biggest lessen.
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If Sterling posted the address he used to have on Mylow, that's quite a scandal, not to be excused.
The warning though, should also go out to fake "inventors".
This community has HAD it with them, and will not be messed with anymore. As I see it, Mylow owes his replicators refunds on their investments made. He swore pretty much on a patent holder's grave that he was not faking it, and asked for it to be copied, meticulously. Cheating, Lying, with a straight face, on cam. Big fraud.
It doesn't get much lower than that. He discredited the FE community, and did more bad to it than an actual permanent magnet motor could do good. A crime to mankind, I dare say. Whether or not he got monetary gain from it, is almost beside the point.
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The adress of José Sterling put up here:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
seems to be the correct one of José
as I got at the beggining at the end of March 2009
an email with the same last name in it from José.
Well, I wonder,
if this is a revenge for Sterling hitting back on José ?
At least he posted some excuses over here:
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2009m5d28-Jose-E-Concepcion-aka-Mylow-magnet-motor-a-hoax
Regards, Stefan.
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Bad dog, Sterling. Bad.
You go lie down. Now.
Badd doggg.
:-X
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Quoted from Stirling's article:
"I was wrong to excoriate OverUnity.com for being so brutal on Mylow."
Except for saying he is sorry for doing so, this is darn near an apology.
He also said he was no longer selling plans. These are the two things I suggested he do 2 weeks ago. Now, if he didn't out Jose's personal info, he might have been able to come back from this. I have no idea why he would do this.
Yes, folks should be able to communicate their frustrations to Jose if they so choose but Sterling could have forwarded mail and e-mail to him to accomplish the same purpose without giving out his information to the public. This was a bad choice.
Heck, even us low-life, scumbag, terribly impolite animals over here on Overunity.com know better than to do something like that.
Bill
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1841
This right here has done more damage to the system than anything else.
Sterling D. Allan
Why should anyone trust to show or give out information to folks. The trust will be broke as soon as they whim of emotion goes that way.
Talk about going off the deep end. Get some control over your self dude.
Now to see such they will just have to search out your name. It has become DO NOT TRUST Sterling D. Allan!
Man you are shooting yourself in both feet and hands. LOL maybe that was the motive to begin with.
Sterling D. Allan there is an old saying. You took it hook line and sinker.
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My take on things strictly from a human perspective.
Which means excluding "the law", as prompted by the elite inbred elitist group of sociopaths responsible for us being in this mess.
Leaving us with the universal law of karma, that we are all subject to...which dictates that for every action there is a reaction...and sometimes that reaction can be extreme.
With that in mind I look at it this way.
A man makes a living in a field where he has attained a certain level of credibility.
Along comes a man who perpetrates a fraud which causes damage to the credibility of the first man.
Far be it for me to look critically upon the first man for identifying the man who wronged him.
Especially if the exposure prevents him from taking advantage of anyone else.
In life, sometimes you find people in a particular point in their life where a simple rejection can drive a them over the edge.
Some resort to suicide...personal experience here.
Some will lash out in blind rage...who's to know ?
Its kind of a roll of the dice.
Essentially Mylow/Jose crapped out...the game ended and everybody went home.
Regards...
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Essentially Mylow/Jose crapped out...the game ended and everybody went home.
Regards...
Except it isn't over. As time goes by the Mylow motor will be accepted as a real and suppressed device the same way Howard Johnson's non working "motor" was and is.
The proof is in the fact that after all the drama and exposure there are still a number of people here on this forum who believe the Mylow device to be real and deride anyone who says otherwise.
Hans von Lieven
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I was actually referring to Mylow and Sterling when I said "everybody went home"
In the mind of some the game is still on...that is only natural.
But what if one of those people were to stumble onto something while trying to replicate ?
That is why I prefer if life unfolds in a free flowing manner.
Regards...
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@ Sterling
AFP members both individual and business aspire to:
practice their profession with integrity, honesty, truthfulness and adherence to the absolute obligation to safeguard the public trust
act according to the highest goals and visions of their organizations, professions, clients and consciences
put philanthropic mission above personal gain;
inspire others through their own sense of dedication and high purpose
improve their professional knowledge and skills, so that their performance will better serve others
demonstrate concern for the interests and well-being of individuals affected by their actions
value the privacy, freedom of choice and interests of all those affected by their actions
foster cultural diversity and pluralistic values and treat all people with dignity and respect
affirm, through personal giving, a commitment to philanthropy and its role in society
adhere to the spirit as well as the letter of all applicable laws and regulations
advocate within their organizations adherence to all applicable laws and regulations
avoid even the appearance of any criminal offense or professional misconduct
bring credit to the fundraising profession by their public demeanor
encourage colleagues to embrace and practice these ethical principles and standards
be aware of the codes of ethics promulgated by other professional organizations that serve philanthropy
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Ok, I'm confused, I thought Sterling never went to Mylows place, didn't the story go that he had to meet Mylow in a restaurant because Mylow was being watched?, if Sterling was at Mylows apartment how is it he did not confirm the the motor, did I miss something in this oh so intriguing story, I so hate that, it's like missing an episode of your favorite tv show.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1871 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1871)
He's still listed in Dexknows.whitepages.com
It lists "Apt.1" but that must be old info because I know from personally visiting that he's in Apt. 4.
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Ok, I'm confused, I thought Sterling never went to Mylows place, didn't the story go that he had to meet Mylow in a restaurant because Mylow was being watched?, if Sterling was at Mylows apartment how is it he did not confirm the the motor, did I miss something in this oh so intriguing story, I so hate that, it's like missing an episode of your favorite tv show.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1871 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1871)
I think Sterling showed up unannounced at Mylow's place. Mylow explained that the NSA or MIB or some other alphabet soup agency came and took his device again, and that it wasn't there in the apartment, so Sterling couldn't see it. It was afterward that they went for coffee I believe.
.99
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I think Sterling showed up unannounced at Mylow's place. Mylow explained that the NSA or MIB or some other alphabet soup agency came and took his device again, and that it wasn't there in the apartment, so Sterling couldn't see it. It was afterward that they went for coffee I believe.
.99
To err is human, perhaps not a wise choice on Sterlings part to continue his support until he had confirmed the existence of the claimed device, thats the problem when you set yourself up as a reporter, you gotta be the first to get the story, fortunately the more sensible gutter press know when to stop before totally screwing themselves.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
21 Votes (30%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
50 Votes (70%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574#coms
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
21 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
52 Votes (71%)
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Enough is enough Sterling, start checking your facts before advertising them on your website, you are a sorry excuse to be leading the FE movement, I enjoy participating with these people in replication but you are turning us into a joke!
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1916
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1917
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1918
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Well, I suppose I will chime in here,
Sterling has spent many years in the FE arena, He has what appears to me to have spent a great deal of time and effort on his websites posting information as well as actively seeking out free energy inventors and devices. Almost what I would consider to be "stalking them". I dont know of many here who have gone to the great lengths as he has.
I personally think that Sterling may be a bit misguided in knowing that it is possible, wanting to find that one device and wanting it so bad that it blinds his skepticism. I dont think the survey really serves anyone especially in the regard to the free energy groups because if you look up just about any free energy device past or present you usually land on his web pages as a resource.
If you have an ax to grind, maybe you need to take it up directly with him. this serves no one.
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If you have an ax to grind, maybe you need to take it up directly with him. this serves no one.
Oh I so agree with you, but neither does it lead people on wild goose chases, if Sterling wants to regain some reputation then he needs to stop placing stuff on his website before checking the facts
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1892
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
22 Votes (28%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
56 Votes (72%)
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He's now slamming that Australian motor that made it to TV. Trying to gain some credibility back?
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He's now slamming that Australian motor that made it to TV. Trying to gain some credibility back?
In his initial post he appears to claim it is something new, but the video was a dead give away, Sterling already has the originating company on his website http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec check the modified date at the bottom of the page.
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Lets also remember that Sterling subscribes to MiB cover ups, he sees a site openly selling plans and does not get suspicious?
So the question is, which is it?,
1. MiB are doing a piss poor job of covering up?
2. MiB are doing a damn good job and are not concerned about scam sites?
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
23 Votes (28%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
59 Votes (72%)
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Oh I so agree with you, but neither does it lead people on wild goose chases, if Sterling wants to regain some reputation then he needs to stop placing stuff on his website before checking the facts
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1892
I dont quite get where you are going with this? Are you reading any of these links, he's not vouching for the devise and openly says-
"However, it turns out that the device is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit"
It just looks like hes reporting something new not endorsing anything, you may know everything there is to know about everything some are not so blessed.
And look I read the link and the world is still turning, I haven't gone blind and my hart still seems to be beating. Whew that was close!
Pete
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
60 Votes (71%)
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@Runningbare
I sent Sterling the link so he could vote
Mark
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
I would be very surprised if one of his supporters had not already pointed it out to him on the first day.
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Tell me something guys (and gals if any viewing)
Is that Aussie company thats been mentioned, the same company that has recently been fined for over stating claims and fraudulent director behaviour?
I seem to remember reading a court ruling on something very similar not so long ago.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
61 Votes (71%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free
energy community
60 Votes (71%)
@Runningbare
I sent Sterling the link so he could vote
Mark
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free
energy community
61 Votes (71%)
ROFL, you can't make this stuff up, it's just too funny.
:D
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Yes, you CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time.
I think I'll take a clue from Broli and start a FE support website. I'll show sterling how it should be done.
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Yes, you CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time.
I think I'll take a clue from Broli and start a FE support website. I'll show sterling how it should be done.
I had considered the same, unfortunately if I went by say wattsup's rules the site would be deserted, I'd allow all the crazy inventions and discussions about them, but, the first mention of a vision from God, BAN!, the first mention of MiB, BAN!, the first mention of aliens giving them the secret, BAN!
Now with all that in mind and looking around the FE community, I can see my site would be extremely unpopular.
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I had considered the same, unfortunately if I went by say wattsup's rules the site would be deserted, I'd allow all the crazy inventions and discussions about them, but, the first mention of a vision from God, BAN!, the first mention of MiB, BAN!, the first mention of aliens giving them the secret, BAN!
Now with all that in mind and looking around the FE community, I can see my site would be extremely unpopular.
But, if I come up with a working FE device per any anyone's standards, confirmed and available to all, and THEN I admit I killed an alien for the plans, would you believe me?
In all seriousness, I think you'll be doing this communicty good offering your services and online facilities.
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But, if I come up with a working FE device per any anyone's standards, confirmed and available to all, and THEN I admit I killed an alien for the plans, would you believe me?
In all seriousness, I think you'll be doing this communicty good offering your services and online facilities.
I am not even sure that a serious FE support website is a feasible thing. FE is this strange little area of research where there is zero progress to be made. No one has ever produced anything to move the ball even one inch. They think they have, but they haven't. The laws of physics stop them. The only thing that could be remotely considered as progress is the effort reduce friction in a device. But what about actual energy gains?
(I submit that the simple pendulum is as close to a free energy device as anyone is ever going to get. I cannot imagine a device with less friction than a pendulum. I hereby challenge anyone to top it.)
So aside from the religious stuff and the conspiracy theories and stories about aliens and reptilians, what would there be to talk about?
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But, if I come up with a working FE device per any anyone's standards, confirmed and available to all, and THEN I admit I killed an alien for the plans, would you believe me?
In all seriousness, I think you'll be doing this communicty good offering your services and online facilities.
Bring the alien body for autopsy(assuming you have not started an intergalactic war), get independent third party validation that the alien is indeed not of this earth and I might allow you the freedom to use the words reptilian overlords with no risk of a ban.
In all seriousness I agree, the tree could do with a little shaking to see what drops out, I very much enjoy replication even if I do not believe it will work, it's an exercise building and creating, but my creative juices gets badly interrupted when the thread I'm getting ideas from suddenly turns to MiB and other odd conspiracies.
I know there are plenty of bad dudes out there with vested interest, but if I was one of them looking at this community I would not feel the least bit threatened, for the simple reason no one has yet proved over unity(with the exception of nuclear energy)
Oh, one other thing, I'd ban people selling kits claiming to be over unity, instead I'd have advertisements that point to legitimate firms for the components needed, Magniworks is a good example of why this is needed.
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I had considered the same, unfortunately if I went by say wattsup's rules the site would be deserted, I'd allow all the crazy inventions and discussions about them, but, the first mention of a vision from God, BAN!, the first mention of MiB, BAN!, the first mention of aliens giving them the secret, BAN!
Now with all that in mind and looking around the FE community, I can see my site would be extremely unpopular.
C'mon RB. You could have the MOST popular site on the internet if you go about it right.
Imagine a VR environment which has:
1) A museum of photos and videos of actual devices (working or not)
2) A gallery of drawings and designs
3) A library of documents
4) An asylum for discussing wacko ideas
5) A lab for experimental procedures and results
6) A think tank for rational discussion of fringe topics
7) A school to learn about mainstream ideas
8) Area 51 for alien technology
9) A mountain for divine enlightenment (Sinai, Olympus, Kailash, etc.)
10) A soapbox for budding preachers and prophets
11) A sensory deprivation chamber for deep introspection
12) A forum for active debates
13) A jail for those who violate the TOS
14) A rumor mill
15) Illuminati enclave for MiBs and disinformation
16) And, of course, the news desk with the latest headlines
Everything would need to be hyperlinked. If you saw an interesting device in the museum, you would want to review any patents and documentation for the device from the library, examine any experimental evidence, and participate in any discussions.
Anyone serving time in jail would have read-only priveleges, except with the other inmates.
Did I forget anything?
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Did I forget anything?
Yeah, time and resources, I do not know if you remember but I did attempt this kind of thing in VR using Steorn as the basis, it had several visitors over the course of a month, not worth my time and effort.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (28%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
63 Votes (72%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
25 Votes (28%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
64 Votes (72%)
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I intend to hold no punches so long as folk are being screwed over
Does anyone think Sterling might have learned a little from the Tilley and Mylow (and many other) embarrassments?
Sterling learns well, he learns that some folk will not listen, he learns that he can still promote such things and possibly make a buck off it, he learns there are a lot of gullible people in the world, he learns that he can take advantage of this, , what he does not learn is that while he promotes this stuff whether positive or negative means he is himself a con man.
@wattsup
You may close this thread because you think it does not conform to the rules of the forum, but ask yourself this question, are you truly comfortable with folk being taken for a ride because you deem naysayers are in the wrong?, do you really wish to be a part of that con or do you want to continue the research you hold so dear without this kind of thing interrupting it?, be a moderator and consider the continued promotion of claims even when bad is completely out of order, it does not matter if Sterling puts in huge bold letters DEBUNKED so long as the claim, links to materials, links to claimant remain on his website.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
26 Votes (29%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
65 Votes (71%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
29 Votes (31%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
65 Votes (69%)
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
31 Votes (32%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
66 Votes (68%)
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I had said I would not respond in the poll comments, but I must respond so I'll do it here
Sterling Allan
06/10/2009 (14 hours ago)
This is the first I've seen this poll. The poll is not objective. Either response is a negative reflection. There should have been more options, such as: "Sterling is doing the best he can within the resources at his disposal and his intentions are honorable." That's the truth.
In my opinion the first answer is not a negative but gives leeway to Sterlings actions, Mylow was cited on those comments by Frank Grimer, now I can get my head around being misled the first couple of times, but even after the gut was discovered Sterling still continued his support citing the MiB made mylow do it, if that is not misguided then please tell me what is?
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RB:
I agree with your assessment. Also, I find it just not credible that Sterling has now "just learned" about your poll. With all of his friends and contacts in this small, close-knit FE community, I just don't think that is true at all. It may very well be, I don't really know but, as I said, I do not find that credible.
Bill
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
43 Votes (36%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
78 Votes (64%)
Note, I have just deleted what I deem as racist comments from the poll, have your say but lets keep racial prejudice out of it, I check the poll daily so don't waste your time posting anymore racist remarks, they will be removed!
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
45 Votes (36%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
79 Votes (64%)
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Having read Sterling's site for a couple of years now, a few things are obvious.
Sterling has a public website (http://www.greaterthings.com/) about his Mormon religious beliefs, Bible codes, visions, the NWO, various conspiracies, etc etc.
I'm fine with people following any religion they like, but Sterling's site does show an extreme willingness to take things on faith, which leads to a magical worldview based on authority and intuition that is at odds with the scientific method based on critical thinking. As a result, it makes him an incredibly poor spokesperson for free energy, because he doesn't have a skeptical bone in his body.
It's the same reason that Dennis Lee often targets religious groups for his scams. People who are heavily invested in a religion may have already taught their brains to manage the cognitive dissonance created by divergent beliefs, so wild OU claims unsupported by evidence are sometimes more easily accepted in those groups than in the general population.
http://www.skepdic.com/cognitivedissonance.html
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Having read Sterling's site for a couple of years now, a few things are obvious.
Sterling has a public website (http://www.greaterthings.com/) about his Mormon religious beliefs, Bible codes, visions, the NWO, various conspiracies, etc etc.
I'm fine with people following any religion they like, but Sterling's site does show an extreme willingness to take things on faith, which leads to a magical worldview based on authority and intuition that is at odds with the scientific method based on critical thinking. As a result, it makes him an incredibly poor spokesperson for free energy, because he doesn't have a skeptical bone in his body.
It's the same reason that Dennis Lee often targets religious groups for his scams. People who are heavily invested in a religion may have already taught their brains to manage the cognitive dissonance created by divergent beliefs, so wild OU claims unsupported by evidence are sometimes more easily accepted in those groups than in the general population.
http://www.skepdic.com/cognitivedissonance.html
Wow, he is a Mormon? I think all religions are crazy, but the Mormons are particularly so. How can any thinking person believe all that Joseph Smith crap? The man was such an obvious scammer. That whole "I found gloden tablets but cannot let anyone see them" schtick! That tells me everything I need to know about Sterling D. Allen.
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I think this was a learning lesson for Mr. Allan.
I believe he's an honest guy but perhaps too gullible and trustworthy of people's claim without creditable verification.
No sort of monetary endorsement of a potential overunity machine should occur until there is in-person verification and examination of its operation.
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Wow, the poll results are not looking too good for Sterling. Oh well...I guess people can see what was going on.
Bill
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Wow, the poll results are not looking too good for Sterling. Oh well...I guess people can see what was going on.
Bill
I am unsure anymore whether Sterling is a crook or just plainly deluded.
from the comments
I have always represented things as honestly as I know, and I have always run my business as ethically as possible.
Honesty in my opinion would be him putting a big red stamp across debunked pages and all references and links removed.
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http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided. 49 Votes (37%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
83 Votes (63%)
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I don't think he's dishonest, I just think that he's a dreamer that is more likely to believe the unbelievable than anything. In other words, he was PT Barnum's sucker that's born every minute.
One can hope that he'll learn a little more about physics so that when someone tells him about something, he can do the math himself. It doesn't take long to learn this stuff - only a few months worth of time. You don't even have to learn it very in-depth to be able to spot a fraud. I've looked at the way magnetism works and there is no way that Milo's design could have worked, but Sterling doesn't understand physics, so he can be fooled by fancy double talk and "Energy from the void" or "Zero point energy" talk.
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but Sterling doesn't understand physics, so he can be fooled by fancy double talk and "Energy from the void" or "Zero point energy" talk.
That much is obvious, but in order for Sterling to learn physics he also has to be willing, but hes one of the crowd who shuns physics academia as a lie, cover ups and all that kind of whacky stuff, 100s upon 100s of web pages have been devoted to OU and they don't appear to be covered up to me, 1000s of Youtube video's claiming OU, wheres the cover up, it's not just lessons in physics some of these people need, it's lessons in critical thinking and logic.
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Yes, I believe Sterling Allan is a sincere truthful honest person but misguided.
51 Votes (38%)
No, Sterling Allan is well aware that he continues to perpetuate a fraud bringing shame on the free energy community
83 Votes (62%)
Sterling is a FAKE
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Maybe the best way to view Sterling is as a "tabloid journalist." I mean, nobody really believes the National Enquirer's "Batboy" or "alien prostitutes form Credit Union" stories, but they are entertaining.
Sterling's site is kind of like that, for me.
Now, his personal views and his overweening credulity--those are other matters. Once one understands them, one realizes that the site can be entertaining, as long as one keeps one's wallet firmly in pocket, and takes Sterling's raptured endorsements with liberal doses of NaCl.
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Maybe the best way to view Sterling is as a "tabloid journalist."
That's how I initially viewed his website, that is until I saw he was milking the lies for all they were worth, Sterling is supposed to be intelligent, that observation was obviously contradicted with the Mylow saga, it became even more evident that he tried to cover up by adding to the MiB story, from my perspective that was his second mistake(his first being Mylow), he should never have gone along with the MiB story because he is hardly convincing that he believes MiB guff himself.
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I'm curious as to why there still is a forum section dedicated to Mylow's fake device. Its been concluded that all his Howard Johnson replicas don't work based on RPM spin-down data and of course the fishing line.
I personally have little faith in magnet motors. Even the alleged motors that spin appear to have almost no extra torque to handle a load.