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Author Topic: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?  (Read 6650 times)

Offline carlprad

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Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« on: September 14, 2013, 08:05:13 PM »
Hello

I have attached an image made by Dietmar, showing a V-GATE with magnets angled at a 27 degree slant.

Has anyone ever tried this configuration?

If so, did it offer any benefits?

I could really use some feedback on the idea of angling the magnets.

Thanks everyone in advance.

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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 08:33:45 PM »
 
Think about it for a second....even if one were able to just barely, marginally, squeak past the OU barrier and produce continual rotation, what size of magnets and total system would be required to produce anything more than a curiosity?

The answer is not in getting magnets to simply keep magnets moving, but in causing field changes economically.  How can one put magnets into close proximity so as to exploit their "near surface" flux densities while causing rapid flux changes.....
Without getting caught in the middle?

Hold a magnet, any magnet, in your left hand, now bring another magnet, any magnet, past the other such that the fields are perpendicular to one another.  After a bit of practice, you will note how one may be brought past the other at the correct angle while producing zero net drag.  Mount these on a wheel, multiply the situation until you are able to spin the wheel freely, despite the magnets coming into close proximity time and again. 
 
Now, what to do with all those field fluctuations borne so freely?
 
 
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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 08:44:15 PM »
Ts

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question.

Please forgive my ignorance, but would you kindly explain at a simpler level?

So, when you say "perpendicular to each other", you mean "at an angle"? You are saying that Dietmar's angled arrangement has value?

And, what do you mean by" Now, what to do with all those field fluctuations borne so freely?"

Again, thank you for your patience.

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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 09:02:47 PM »
No problem, Carlprad.

I'm simply saying that your hands can be excellent 'hall probes' if you experiment enough.  Hands on beats a hand out, hands down.

Study Howard Johnson's arrangement

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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 09:05:38 PM »
Thanks again.

So, you do feel that finding the proper "angle" can help the magnets move over each other?

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Offline TechStuf

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 09:13:09 PM »
I'm guessing that you forgot my first post? 
No. The "V-Gate" is grossly inefficient in nearly every way.
Study the 3 researchers I shared with you. 
See what they might have in common.
 
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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 09:14:25 PM »
got it, thank you.


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Offline CuriousChris

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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2013, 01:17:42 PM »
@techstuff your hand waving is nonsensical.

If the magnets are attracting there is a point they will 'lock' to each other if they are repelling the same will happen (often called the sticky point). If the magnets are offset in such a way that at any one point they both attract and repel just perfectly so you can feel no drag. Then no energy can be derived from them.

Let me put it like this. You cannot use hands to measure energy required. we subconsciously alter the muscle strength when pushing or pulling on whatever. So we cannot tell the actual force used. Our muscles are only very roughly calibrated. Secondly we cannot help but 'waver', our arms and hands and whole body is not rigid enough.

All those youtube videos where someone is holding a magnet and making another magnet spin. Its just their hands moving back and forward (sometimes imperceptably) that is providing the energy.

You need a totally rigid structure to accurately do what you are saying and get a meaningful measurement. So no more hand waving stuff its just counterproductive.

Now back to the experiment. Say we set up a completely rigid mechanism (except of course where we want it to rotate or slide), Such as the one you describe. We position the magnets in such a way that although quite close the added effect of attraction and repulsion reduced the drag to nil or almost nil. Therefore we have a fluctuating magnetic field generated with almost no energy input (you can do exactly the same thing with just one magnet it will be as meaningful). What do you think will happen as soon as you add some pickup coils to generate electricity?

If you aren't able to work it out for yourself I'll tell you.

It would introduce drag. Now your freely rotating sliding or whatever mechanisms requires energy to make it move. more energy than you can possibly extract from it.


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Re: Do "angled magnets" improve the V-gate? Or PMM in general?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2013, 04:50:30 PM »
Thank you for the explanation.

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